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slowthunders · 6 months ago
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bullying, shaming and harassing people who vibe to the met gala or any different subject just because you believe they don't care or share enough about what's going on rafah won't make the war stop.
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firelxdykatara · 3 years ago
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something i keep seeing as a criticism leveled at show!kaz brekker is what he says to inej in the first episode, "she's not like you, no one is". and how it's, somehow, apparently bad that kaz only saved inej from the menagerie because she'd be useful to him, without giving another thought to any of the other girls there. and, somehow, this is almost offensively bad characterization.
except it's almost exactly what happened in the books.
kaz only 'rescued' inej from the menagerie because he thought she'd be useful to him. this is made explicitly clear in the text. she says, "i can help you." she managed to sneak up on him to do so--despite the gaudy silks she was wearing, despite the bells around her ankles and wrists--and he was impressed and thought he might have a use for her.
he never once gave another thought for any other girl under tante heleen's employ. because he had no use for them, and no reason to care about their lots in life otherwise.
i honestly have no idea where this idea that kaz brekker is a good man and some sort of savior to sex workers came from, but it simply isn't true--especially not at the beginning of his story in the books. yes, in crooked kingdom he murders a man for making the mistake of running his mouth about how he took advantage of sex workers, but a) that was after an entire book worth of his journey and development, and b) there's a huge difference between killing someone you already had dangling over the edge of a building because they made the mistake of tripping one of his buttons--a sex worker who likely, in that moment, made him think of inej--and actually doing anything for the entire house full of girls still working there.
and it's hardly like the menagerie was the only brothel in town, or even the only one dealing in trafficked girls from other shores.
i wouldn't be surprised if he did, eventually, want to do something for them, by the way. but to pretend like it's bad characterization that kaz at the beginning of his story in the show behaves the same way that kaz did at the beginning of his story in the books (implying inej is a very valuable investment versus, i suppose, telling her that's all she is to her face???) is just... baffling to me. kaz brekker is not a good man, especially not at the beginning of the story. he's not a good man, he's not a hero to sex workers, he couldn't have given two shits about any of those girls individually unless he was given good reason to try, and that's... completely understandable, given who he is and what his goals are and what drives him.
there are absolutely valid complaints to be made about the show, fyi, but this just isn't one of them, and it's been bugging me for a while now.
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aks3raao1 · 3 years ago
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Ah, yes. My first Tumblr post. Idk why I felt the need to share all my pet peeves abt Tokyo Ghoul here since it's already on my wattpad in my Shitpost but ig a part of me wants to see how this works...
You can find me on wattpad if you search this username: Ax3lQu33n
Ok, let's get started. Don't attack me. Btw, I made this like a rlly long time ago fyi
My Opinion on Tokyo Ghoul Even Though No One Asked
I just finished Tokyo Ghoul and I gotta say...good anime. I liked the ending a lot. But I understand why people don't like it... I understand that a lot. And I feel like ranting about it because many of these points are my pet peeves when it comes to stories. Oh, and I never read the manga. This is strictly about the anime.
This may seem offensive to anyone who likes Tokyo Ghoul so just beware. Also, SPOILER ALERT! Btw, I had a really hard time not dropping this.
1. Too many characters
Tokyo Ghoul had WAY too many characters that they didn't know what to do with. It's like Pokemon. Eventually, they added so many Pokemon that they didn't know what to do with them so in the end, they were just...there.
An example of this would be in Tokyo Ghoul: Re (don't remember which 1 tho), there was a girl with blonde hair over her face like a mop bc she didn't like her freckles. They literally just used that scene to explain a character death but it was really...irrelevant. At that point, they literally just killed off a character bc they could. And we barely knew that character too so...it made no sense.
And a bunch of characters didn't have any relevance to the main plot and were mostly just seen fighting. That really peeved me off bc...you just don't do that if you want a good story. Plus, too many of the characters were only introduced way later. Always get the character introductions out the way before you carry on with ANYTHING else.
Tip for writing: Don't use too many characters. Give yourself a minimum and a maximum or else everything will get confusing/seem like it has no relevance. And ALWAYS introduce the majority that will have major plot relevance first.
2. Too much and yet, not enough character backstory
They gave almost every character a good backstory and only discussed it briefly. Instead of hooking the audience and making them wanting more, they just carried on to the next character which made it seem...boring. And the characters they made us want more of, they never even discussed them. It was like everything was left in subtext/watcher's interpretation which is a huge pet peeve that I have... If you're gonna do that, do it right.
Ayato Kirishima was e p i c. You can't change my mind. But...we barely knew anything about his past. We just knew he was Toka's brother and that he was mad at his dead dad. We still didn't know for WHAT. He was an interesting character that showed up at the right time in the right ways and was important to the story as well as certain characters but
We. Didn't. Even. Get. A. Full. Back. Story.
They give us a backstory on the dude with the white hair that was like their body guard or smth rather briefly and even tho it was linked to them and their parents, it still didn't explain why Ayato hated his dad so much or why Toka was dead set on defending him and then later called him an idiot... ONLY IN TG: RE DID WE HEAR THAT THEIR DAD HAD BEEN KILLING BC OF BLOODLUST
Bro...that was srsly too fucking late...
3. HEAVY plot armour and not sticking to the basis
Did y'all notice that in TG: Re, Kaneki and everyone else ate...human food? As sustenance and nutrition?? Not to lessen suspicion??? When in season 1, Kaneki couldn't even stomach down a sandwich? What happened here-
And in the first season as well, they said that ghouls can't have their skin penetrated by things such as knives and etc. Only if your strength is comparable to that of a ghoul's will you be able to deal such a blow. Or if you were using your kagune. That's the reason they invented those weapons using ghoul's kagunes, right?
So...why did they drop that at a point? Juzo (bless his soul, I love him) used literal knives, normal knives to fight off ghouls when the scythe was impractical. Now...where does that make sense? It definetly wasn't a quinque-
Not only that, but somewhere in TG: Re, someone uses a golden sword thingy that's mainly used as a prop in a household. It has a thin blade and is for speedy attacks. It wouldn't work against a ghoul. Yet, he pierced one with it. Then there's me wondering why it didn't break... Forget the guy not being strong enough to deal such a blow, WHY DIDN'T IT FUCKING BREAK?!
And the plot armour part: the things you're supposed to die from just...don't kill you? Heads were still fucking talking after they've been decapitated and people got slashed to PIECES but THEY DIDN'T DIE. Only if it was to continue on with some 💖drama💖 in the plot, did they die by smth trivial. And most characters just got cut off for no apparent reason...
It's like a clear message to us that the world is unfair.
Tip for writing: Don't just kill off characters to advance toward a certain point in the plot, there are other ways. And REMEMBER THE BASIS THAT YOU LAID DOWN!
4. Characters not shown enough
Certain characters were taken out of the story for literal seasons and then only revealed again after the entire thing was finished. I LIKED HIDE, WHY DID HE HAVE TO BE SHOWN DYING AND THEN ONLY COME BACK AT THE LAST 3 EPISODES OF TG SBEJWJIWI2I2
H E D E S E R V E S J U S T I C E
I have seen that most animes do this... Like in BSD, Chuuya is gone for literal seasons and in the BNHA manga (no, I don't read the manga, @travalerray just enjoys telling me stuffs about it), Katsuki and Aizawa (and I think Shoto?) Are gone for a really long time as well. Like-
Please stop this... It's torture and makes no sense.
5. Too many plots all at once
There wasn't just one plot. THERE WERE LIKE 50- It became really hard to keep up and legit so confusing because each one was somewhat different... They shoulda just made a separate anime for everyone's journey bc, suddenly, EVERYONE was the main character but still IN THEIR OWN STORY.
Tip for writing: If you write a story, stick to 1 plot, stick to 1 or 2 main characters and the rest can be an entirely different book. If you put them all in 1 book with each one telling their own story, it's gonna get way too confusing and become an absolute flop. Trust me. Backstories are still fine but not each a different journey...
6. Repeating tropes
This is 1 of my worst pet peeves. Each ghoul character went through smth known as insanity and displayed a whole damn lot of it for no apparent reason other than, "I am a ghoul". They were PERFECTLY normal in human form but then all of a sudden, it's cackling and saying weird shit to sound creepy just bc their eyes changed😐
Mutsuki has a pass, they went clinically insane by normal circumstances (more or less) but...really, man? They...didn't matter to the main plot at all and they were being...pretty dang stupid. I can't...
And Kaneki just kept turning emo. It became so frustrating that I just...really wanted to slap him outta the window. The first time was cool but then I started to hate him. A lot. Like-
I really really really hate this trope.
8. Bad animation
I have only watched the anime so I will say this: the animation could have been better. After the 1st season, the fights seemed sloppy and the movement was stiff... It made me sigh. I can't do better but I feel like the animators could have after seeing season 1.
9. Basically, general knowledge flew out the window
Kagunes changed, ghouls had tattoos, everyone turned insane, emo was apparently a trend the main character picked up, noonethoughttoexplainTokaandTheGourmet'srelationship?
In all honesty...Tokyo Ghoul was bearable with a good plot at first but... It became too much with way too many things.
Ok, that's all from me. And can I just mention that ik the main theme was smth like despairing bc things will never change or etc. (Don't quote me on this) but having to repeat the same thing, same ending (for Kaneki specifically) over and over is not good writing. As compelling as the concept is, that's just sloppy and it gets boring. And the plot was rushed beyond like- dude, we need a breather
Ok, enough of me roasting Tokyo Ghoul. Many people most likely made a post on this already but w h a t e v a h. I had fun when I wrote this. I am sorry (not)
Also...WHY IS MAKING A SIMPLE POST SO DIFFICULT- Or is it just my phone...
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thejustmaiden · 4 years ago
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Fiction and Real Life Go Hand In Hand
This blog goes out to all those pro-Sessrin fans out there who refuse to acknowledge the very real effects fiction can have on our world and vice versa. I highly encourage other Inuyasha fans who defend/enable these shippers to read this, as well. I assure you, by no means are my intentions here to stir up trouble. Honestly, I just want some good healthy discourse for once if that’s not too much to ask. If you do decide to engage, please be mindful of that and treat others with respect and I will do the same in return. All in all, the goal of this blog is to exercise my right to speak out and be critical about content I believe to have very potentially detrimental repercussions. I ask that you not attack me or insult me simply for stating an opinion. Thank you! 
It’s like the title says, meaning fiction does matter. Where do you think we get ideas for all the stories we tell? Where do we draw inspiration from in the first place?
Real life, that's where! And yes, always with a touch of imagination! Long story short: fiction matters because real life does.
Allow me to elaborate.
Shippers of the Sesshomaru x Rin (Sessrin) pairing say it's not fair of us to throw around serious accusations or use certain deragatory terms that suggest such awful acts like child grooming or pedophilia because of the harmful implications. One of their reasonings being that some people IRL have actually lived through these traumas, so we shouldn't dare to assume they're comparable since one is just fiction and the other is not. But this isn’t about which is worse than the other, because they’re both super problematic. All we’re literally doing is making a link between grooming in real life and grooming in fiction. They mirror each other. Same issue; different mediums. We’re not undermining any one’s past experiences with grooming or the like, nor are we prioritizing fiction to diminish real life abuse. They’re both awful in numerous ways and that’s all we’re trying to say. In fact, if anything we’re attempting to demonstrate just how crucial this correlation is between them. In order to protect past victims and prevent future ones, we must remain vigiliant of the content we consume, and yes, sometimes that means we have to challenge it too. Just because it’s widely-viewed does not make it widely-accepted or well-received. It is paramount that we educate ourselves on how to be more critical of some of the harmful tropes and images that are still way too prevalent in mainstream media. Sexualizing young and pre-pubescent girls is way more normalized than some of us even realize. It’s sad but true that Sessrin is just one of many examples. I know it feels like society has failed us in a lot of ways, but it’s never too late to re-evaluate and re-learn better and more improved ways of viewing and processing information presented to us.
Our mission: Let’s not show our kids that grooming or any other form of abuse are acceptable if they may ever come to experience or encounter it themselves. Be it the real world or on screen. Deal? 
There have been a number of occasions where real life victims do speak up against the Sessrin ship and express how extremely uncomfortable it makes them feel by what it represents. The problem is that it’s becoming more evident now that many of their fans will dismiss anything purely on the basis that we pose a threat to their ship and nothing more. What it comes down to is they have no real leg to stand on and cannot possibly top any of what we have to say so instead they simply disregard it. Our inconvenient truths don't fit into their ideal *cough* OOC *cough* narrative so they just choose to be willfully ignorant. It conflicts with their fantasy, so rather than present a sound argument of their own, they flat-out reject it and offer no plausible back-up behind their reasoning besides "I don't interpret it that way." GUYS, CHILD GROOMING IS NOT UP FOR INTERPRETATION.
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Just because you so desperately want your ship to come true does not mean you can up and decide to redefine a word so that it caters to your stance. Remind yourself that these are complex AND objective terms that we have no right to fiddle with to serve our own selfish purposes. This is why we can conclude that there's no debate about Sesshomaru's actions towards Rin embodying child grooming.
I apologize if any of my words are triggering by the way, so please feel free to take a break and return later if that’s more suitable for you. it's just really important that everyone in this fandom comprehends the extent in which Sessrin going canon is catastrophic. And no, I'm not exaggerating; I'm simply speaking the truth. Shippers justifying these horrible acts- yes, even in fiction- is usually due to the stubborn refusal to hear us out. No offense to anyone (just stating facts), but more times than not antis like myself feel as if we’re talking to a brick wall when we interact with Sessrin peeps. They go in circles and never expand on their perspectives. 
Just a head’s up: THIS GETS LONG. Stick with me. :p
Just look at their take on the Inukag vs. Sessrin relationships for example. This isn't a question of age gaps, this is a question of physical/emotional compatibility. Inukag are the same age mentally wise regardless of one being demon and the other not, whereas Sessrin is not and never will be, and yes, even once she's an adult. The thing is we have debunked this time and time again, because they’re not the same and therefore not comparable, but for some reason these fans won’t drop it. Nothing has changed in their argument, yet they’re persistent in bringing it up. I choose to not go into more detail, since like I said, you can find it around everywhere. I just wanted to touch upon it briefly to prove a point. Maybe it will come up again later in my blog though! 
Where was I earlier? Right, child grooming! Haven't you guys realized that what you’re doing is precisely what child groomers do to make excuses or deny any grooming took place at all? (FYI: I’m not accusing you of being child groomers yourselves.) “They reciprocated so the feelings are mutual" is a typical groomer response, but of course it varies. More often than not, victims of grooming aren't even aware they've been groomed until much later. That's how manipulative groomers are that they can legitmately convince you that maybe you're wrong in questioning their motives. Perhaps in the victim’s mind that because one huge indicator of grooming never actually took place it technically cannot constitute as grooming. They start to doubt themselves even though their intuition is telling them something’s off. They should just ignore it then since it can’t possibly be grooming if that one particular thing never happened, right? Wrong, grooming isn’t strictly this or strictly that. It's much more complicated and multi-faceted. This is why the “but Sesshomaru left Rin in the village” point upsets me greatly. HE WAS STILL INVOLVED IN HER LIFE, Y’ALL.  
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On top of that, are you aware that this is the exact same kind of predatory mindset pedophiles use to describe their infatuation with children? They'll say things like, "I don't see them as an adult and a child. I see them as two people with a soul connection." Okay no joke, I wish I was lying, but that is literally a point one pro-sessrin fan on here recently used to defend this ship. It both astounds me and terrifies me that they don't see the glaring similarities they share in common with actual pedos.
Alright, I want to quickly return to what I was saying earlier about fiction's impact on real life. (Sorry, I’m a bit of a scatterbrain!)
The characters and their worlds in our stories that we dream up and bring to life are nothing short of awe-inspiring and magnificent if we so choose them to be. If it wasn't for our imaginations, stories like Inuyasha would have never come to exist. Fiction provides us an amazing outlet where we are given the opportunity to express ourselves and explore its infinite creative possibilities.
But strip away all the demons and magical components of this show we all love so dearly and what are we left with?
At the very core, Inuyasha is a story that's very reminiscent of the human experience: love, camaraderie, a sense of purpose, and much more!
So perhaps we got a full-fledged dog demon like Sesshomaru, but does that necessarily mean we can't relate to him or understand him simply because dog demons don't exist in the real world? Well, I hope that's not how you view it or else you're missing the whole point of why humans create stories to begin with. We create them to make better sense of and thus connect with the world we live in. And when you really think about it, our stories are just a celebration of life- both our struggles and our triumphs. Now I'm no philosophy professor, but I'm pretty sure they'd say I hit that nail right smack on the head. ;)
All shitty jokes aside, the whole reason I’m mentioning this specific example in the first place is because this recently came up with another Sessrin supporter. That supporter tried to defend the ship by stating that we aren't allowed to use Sesshomaru as an example to judge by since his kind don't exist in the real world.
Now if it isn't evident already, this "it's just fiction" argument is a popular go-to stance many Sessrin fans will resort to once they've run out of ideas and are metaphorically backed into a corner. The funny/sad thing is that they seem to sincerely believe this is strong enough evidence to defend their ship with, but per usual, they fail to see how hypocritical that would be. I’ll clarify soon down below. 
Seriously, since when did we decide that fantasy- or any story genre for that matter- stopped reflecting the real world we live in? I mean, we humans are the ones writing these stories. Our human influence is bound to make an impact in some capacity. In fact, we want it to!
Obviously none of us have ever met a dog demon like Sesshomaru, because how could we? Let me tell ya, this is gaslighting at its finest! This is a fictional story with fantasy elements, so of course there will be beings and creatures in their world that don't exist in our own. Does that somehow translate to the fact that nothing from the story of Inuyasha can be applied to our own personal stories or that there aren't meaningful messages to be taught and learned?
So on the flipside, if they're not screaming at us "it's just fiction" for the hundred billionth time, then they are, believe it or not, doing the reverse and comparing it to real world history. One instance of this is how they tell us we're making a big deal about something that isn't real, but go right ahead and use the history of feudal Japan to support Sesshomaru's decision to court (aka GROOM) a young girl because that's how it was done back then. And so, your point being?? It wasn't right then just because it was legal, and it's most certainly not right now. This is how all of their arguments go by the way, where you'll constantly witness a cherry-picking approach. It's agonizing to endure contradiction after contradiction in their arguments filled with nothing but holes in their logic.
I'd just like to add that if we're overreacting to this fictional ship like they love to say we are then technically so are they. They tell us things like "grow up" or "nobody is telling you to keep watching," yet fail to realize they're reacting just as fervently as we are but just on the opposing side of the same damn argument. I find it interesting how they're as invested in this show but pretend they aren't then STILL have the audacity to say it's only us who care this much!? So thank you Sessrin shippers for further proving our point that fiction is more than capable of affecting reality and the people- YES, US- who reside in it.
It's insane that people act like pedophiles and other creeps don't enjoy entertainment too like the rest of us. Believe it or not, they look just like you and me most of the time. Yes, that means they can easily pass as a “regular guy” if they so wished to. My question to you is how do you think pedophiles will take it when they discover others- underage fans more specifically- who dig the same kinda media they get off to? Maybe not in the exact same way, mind you, but there's a thin line between them when you really think about it. I mean, what other explanation is there for why literal pedos on the internet have been known to sneak into pro-sessrin group chats here on Tumblr before? (Thankfully, they were later kicked.) I know that for a fact! It's almost as if the universe is trying to tell them something they refuse to listen to elsewhere. Hhmmm I wonder what that may be. 
I imagine it’s possibly one of the hardest things to admit out loud and to themselves, but I can almost guarantee you that most of these Sessrin shippers who are victims of CSA and who still see no issue with Sessrin must be living with some sort of unresolved trauma caused by the very abuse they claimed to have undergone. It's been proven that victims who do not seek or properly receive the help and treatment they need in order to address and live with a traumatic experience such as this are more likely to perpetuate that very same abuse themselves in some way, shape or form. What if in this case fiction is enough for them, but who's to say it won’t eventually manifest itself in other more dire and far-reaching ways? It's not like we haven't seen this vicious cycle before, and I can promise you that Sessrin won't be the last. LET'S STOP NORMALIZING & GLORIFYING THE ROMANTIZATION & SEXUALIZATION OF CHILDREN. Fictional example: Usagi Drop. Need I say more? Real world example: Woody Allen. Again, need I say more?
Bottom line is that Sessrin shippers don't want us to think too critically about this ship of theirs, because if we dig too deep then they're forced to face the very troubling implications this pairing really stands for. Of course they'll never admit to them, because instead they rather double down and grasp at the same old straws as long as it means their precious ship is protected at all costs. Screw everyone else if that's what it takes, because they'll threaten to burn down legit buildings in real life if that ensures Sessrin goes canon! (True story, this happened on Twitter.) They’ll taunt and bully anyone who disagrees. Even if all you literally say is that you don’t like the ship, they’ll gang up on you. Tell them about your past experience with being groomed? They’ll laugh in your face. I wish I was kidding, but I assure you I am not.  And they say we're ridiculous and taking this way too seriously? Yeah...
The typical behavior of a Sessrin shipper demonstrates an overly aggressive front since they're usually on defense mode anyway. They only want to ship their sick ship in peace in other words. But just because neo-nazis have a right to spew their bigoted ideology, doesn't mean we don't got the right to punch them! Freedom of speech doesn't equate to freedom from consequences. And Sessrin shippers wonder why they got so many haters. Just sayin'.
Their presence on other platforms like Twitter and Reddit are some examples of how delusional and unstable some Sessrin fans are capable of becoming. Even recently, an anon here on Tumblr sent Richard Ian Cox (English VA for Inuyasha) a totally uncalled for ask telling him that "sessrin is love and there's nothing he can do about it." (That's not verbatim, but if you're interested I'll link you to it.) It appears they discovered that he didn't like Sessrin based on how he had been replying to asks, and just for that reason alone they thought they had the right to harass him. For simply stating his opinion, y'all. They didn't even have the decency to show their face either. Talk about immature and cowardly! 
Just yesterday (or was it the day before?) a fanatic Sessrin user on Tumblr- who’s also been known for hateful remarks on Twitter but those tweets have of course been deleted since then- went out of their way to not only lurk in a group chat they don’t belong to on here but to then proceed to harass a few of us in there. They had the guts to take screenshots from that group chat, tag us in posts on their page regarding what they read in there, and without our knowledge or permission went ahead and actually blogged them?? I mean, who calls out people behind their backs while they're just minding their own business?? It worries me how unhinged and out of touch with reality some Sessriners are. Not all of them, but a whole lot of them. 
It seems all they are doing is looking for trouble, as they just can't stand how much we hate this ship. So it's more than okay if they love on their ship but it's not okay if we don't and we should just keep our mouths shut. But since when do Sessrin fans have authority over our opinions? Even if they were officially canon, nothing is ever gonna change our opinion. Now when they actually do decide to participate in discourse with antis, you'll see them fishing for excuses to bow out. How they normally go about this is by fabricating a way to blame us antis for their exiting a conversation as if we're being the irrational ones here.
There’s no denying that some antis can also be overly blunt or aggressive (nobody is saying we’re perfect here), but speaking for myself, I know I would never make such nasty comments about other fans and their personal lives. And honestly? It would make me feel like shit talking bad about someone I don't actually know. Nah, I won't stoop to that level or give haters that satisfaction. I may not attack them as people, but that doesn't mean I can't attack some of their messed up ideas that threaten to distort how we should or shouldn’t perceive certain dangerous situations and events. Seeing as how for me this is more than just a matter of opinion- it's a moral responsibility and even an obligation.
I know it's difficult to remain civil when things get heated and people start taking things personally- yet more proof that fiction impacts our lives- but that's the only way any of us will ever have constructive discussions about serious topics like this. Unfortunately, Sessrin shippers, from what I can tell, are incapable of engaging in real discourse for the most part. They may be vocal but that doesn't mean they can pack a punch. I’d really love to be proven wrong someday.
Okay, moving on! If they're not involved in some big-time gaslighting then they're using their infamous strawman argument approach.
Sessrin fans’ sole purpose isn't really to defend their ship, per se, but rather to deflect and antagonize. They like to mislead in order to shift the focus/blame onto their opponent or something else that's not related so that they can stray from the main point. 
Take the drama CD for example. It's officially NOT considered canon, right? But that hasn't stopped many fans from referencing it anyway so let’s too consider it for a moment. The point is that they use its "existence" whenever convenient then deny it or downplay it whenever it’s not. So on one hand, it's plain as day that they celebrate it as proof of a romantic future for Sessrin. But then later once we point out to them that Sesshomaru is essentially confessing to Rin that he will wait for her until she's of age, they'll brush it off and quickly add that they didn't interpret the scene that way and leave it at that. I mean how else would you interpret it? And if it's not a proposal of sorts then why exactly are you bouncing off the walls about it to begin with?? If that's all it means is nothing then why are we even talking about this?! You see what I mean here??! And somehow we're the crazy ones? 
Let me to be frank with you. If you haven’t listened to it already, this proposal he offered her sounded like a declaration of love in a multitude of ways, which is wildly inappropriate since Rin was only 12 at the time. Signifying that Sesshomaru was/is indeed grooming her. Well, that is if you choose to recognize the drama CD. Nevertheless, whether you do or not, I personally hate that this non-canon satire is even associated with the Inuyasha name to begin with. Ugh. 
Intentional or not, Sesshomaru made a deliberate decision in that moment to tell a little girl- and not just any little girl mind you but a girl he's taken in under his care for a good year- that he would wait for her if she so chooses once she's old enough. 
The issue is that it isn’t only age of consent we’re concerned about regarding this pairing. What Sessriners fail to see is that this grown male authority- her vassal, her guardian, her adoptive father, or whatever you wanna refer to him as- is basically making a move on this girl he had in his company for quite some time. There's no sugarcoating that. Us antis call it how it is, and I'm sure as fucking day other people who don't watch the show would most certainly agree that the Sesshomaru/Rin bond is filial. Set aside those rose-tinted glasses of yours, and going by everything we’ve been delivered in the manga and parts of the anime (and NOT the drama cd), there are literally no hints that indicate a blossoming romance between this adult male demon and this small human girl he’s taken under his wing. You can imagine them all you want if it pleases you, but that doesn’t mean they’re there. Adult!Rin is a figment of your imagination, nothing more. The idolization of this pairing is pretty disturbing seeing as all we have to go off of in canon is Child!Rin. There have only ever been sweet and innocent moments passed between the two, which is why I’m positive that an unbiased viewer or an outsider would state their dynamic resembled something akin to a father-daugther relationship. I would bet a shit ton of money on that, believe you me!
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Rin's inhibitions are low because children are naturally naive and don't know any better. Remember, she adores and trust this man with all her heart, so why would she think any of this so-called grooming is not normal behavior. (I only say “so-called grooming” because I don’t think Sesshomaru bringing her gifts in the village has to be a romantic thing.) Or how would she ever be able to understand that she’s being taken advantage of if she has no previous experience with it? Maybe if she was present for that time Inuyasha and the gang scolded Miroku when they had learned that years previous he had supposedly proposed to this young girl in the village they were visiting, then Rin would. And he didn’t even assist in helping raise her but look at how they reacted! How is this any different than Sesshomaru hooking up with Rin later? It’s actually worse in Sessrin's case. Do you honestly believe that Inuyasha and the others would take kindly to this?
It's not uncommon and considered harmless for young children to have crushes on adults, after all, but the adults in these scenarios should never resort to using and abusing the position of power they held or continue to hold over this child for any reason whatsoever.
What I'm trying to get across here is that no matter how you spin it, Sessrin can NEVER be deemed a morally acceptable pairing. Like ship what you want, we're not saying you can't ship Sessrin. What we're saying is this:
STOP referring to their bond as "pure" and not expect backlash for your grossly inaccurate statements. Just admit it's toxic, because it's extremely harmful to many viewers- and not just victims- to pretend and suggest otherwise.
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Please remind yourself of the very real canon fact that Rin traveled with Sesshomaru and they established a bond all while she was just a girl. Oh, and he saved her life too many times to count, not to mention brought her back from the dead TWICE. This is why I don't care much for your counter argument "that dynamics can change over time," because although that's true, like with everything in life there must be standards we adhere to. Exceptions to rules, if you will. Our own basic morals demand it.
For instance, it’s normal that some childhood friends begin to like each other as more than friends years down the road. Nothing wrong with that, because that's a natural and healthy occurrence. Now you cannot apply this to an adult and a child for obvious reasons, but what you also cannot do is apply this to an adult who met and knew another adult while they were still just a child. Why? Well, because it'd be like betraying and perverting that former child's view of you. They were never your equal because your established dynamic resembles that of one an adult posesses with a child even once they've grown up. Think about it this way: it's in the same bracket of family members or family friends who've watched you grow up and mature into an adult. Then later just because they're all grown up, does that mean that those children "are not off bounds" - that's quoting a Sessrin shipper by the way- to these certain family members and family friends? 
If you're still struggling to grasp this, I urge you to take a moment (or all the time you need!) to really put yourself in that child's shoes and self-reflect. Would you truly be alright with a family friend you haven't seen in years (but sorely missed because they used to occasionally babysit you) just someday coming back into your life and then very inappropriately flirting with you or even making sexual advances on you? (Sorry for the run-on!) Or even worse, can you picture this happening to one of your own children??! Seriously, ask yourself that and sit with that for a while and really take it all in. It’s not fun, I know, but if that’s what it takes to help you finally understand then please try and practice more ways to utilize your self-awareness in the future. It’s for everyone’s benefit, not only yours, I promise! You'll also find it makes it tremendously easier to empathize with others.
I got news for those fans who don’t view Sesshomaru as a father figure to Rin. The title we give him doesn’t hold as much weight as a lot of us are making it out to be. Let’s try to be neutral here and stick to the hard facts, shall we?
*Sesshomaru is an adult male authority whose protection Rin is under*
*It’s safe to assume that Rin has grown attached to him and maybe even looks up to him*
*They care about each other and the other's well-being*
*He has has played a crucial part in her supervision and care for a significant period of time (yes, even if it’s just passing a message along to Jaken)*
Not so random anecdote: In an Inuyasha episode I recently revisited, Sesshomaru had just rescued Rin from Kohaku who had been possessed by Naraku and was ordered to kill Rin. Anyway, at the end of their scene you can hear Jaken ask out loud, “what should we do for dinner, Lord Sesshomaru?” And that’s about the most domestic thing I’ve ever heard come out of his mouth. They’re such a family dammit and nothing will ever change that!! <3
This is precisely why I could never in a million years view those past students of mine in a romantic light. I don't care how many years have passed, it's just not possible for me. Just the idea of pursuing a romantic and/or sexual relationship absolutely repels me.
Speaking as a former teacher, you don't need to be a parental figure who's around all the time in order to have great love and affection for a child. I would've done absolutely anything in my power to protect them even though they weren't my own. Then again, I did consider them my children in a way even if wasn't in a familial sense. Does that make my love for them any less unique? No, it's just different but not inferior. When you stop to think about, it really doesn't take as long as you may think to establish rapport with a person, particularly children. Connecting with a child is almost instant (but of course some are more receptive than others), and once you do make that special connection one can only make with a child, a strong and overwhelming need to guide and protect them kicks in almost automatically. The unconditional love an adult feels for a child is powerful and constant, and nothing should ever change that. As much as some of you really want to believe otherwise, that feeling doesn’t just go away because they turned 18. In your eyes, they’ll always be that kid.
I get it, sometimes when we escape into these fictional worlds of ours, it's difficult not to project our own wishes and desires onto certain characters. I don't blame fans for picturing themselves with Sesshomaru- I know I did haha- but never once did I self-insert myself as Rin. I know she's one of the biggest catalysts for his character growth- if not THE biggest- but how and why does that need to turn romantic? There are other antis who I have spoken with on this. They informed me that they used to live vicariously through Rin and ship them together, as well. As they got older, they later learned how weird and twisted this ship actually was. That's what's supposed to happen, y'all, you're supposed to grow out of that fixation. 
Now take your mind out of the Inuyasha universe for a second and hypothetically (or not hypothetically if you have kids) answer me this: if and/or when you ever have a child, would you genuinely be comfortable with the idea of them dating and eventually marrying their father’s best friend who was also there to witness them grow up? Be honest please. 
I highly doubt you would want that- or at least I hope not. You see, that's another MAJOR point I've made a few times already and yet you Sessrin shippers continue to avoid the question. It's pretty obvious it hasn't been rhetorical either. Ignorance is bliss?
Finally, I’d like to address one more point. It seems there is a HUGE misconception and I'd like to clear it up real quick. That is Sessrin shippers misinterpret one of the issues we have with this ship. They chalk up our complaints of Sessrin being canon (which is a LIE, nothing has been confirmed yet) to us just being salty because that somehow means our ships aren't or won’t be. I assure you, readers, other antis and I will attest that this ain't about dumb shipping wars, this is so much bigger than that!!!
I noticed recently that some Sessrin fans have even begun calling us Karens lolol like if anybody is a Karen it's them! This ain't about some mere difference in taste, this is very likely to have LONG-LASTING NEGATIVE EFFECTS. Sessrin going canon is a very harmful message to send viewers and children/teens especially. So if anything, it’s these shippers who are being the entitled ones here thinking that the fact we don’t support their ship is the worst thing in the world. NO, THE REAL PROBLEM IS CHILD GROOMING. GET OVER YOURSELF.
Out of nowhere, some of them even started assuming all us antis were white, which in their books is also equivalent to Karens or even white supremacists somehow?? Those aren't one in the same, but it's easy to make it appear that way when the US is currently tackling major systems of oppression and racial injustice. Because to them, all antis must be from over here. (Yes, I'm American. But no, I'm not white.) How else can anyone explain not shipping Sessrin, right?! Somehow they have it in their heads that ALL of Japan and surrounding places are super approving of this ship, and that everyone else isn’t because of their upbringing and “Western way of thinking.”  
To give you an idea of what I mean, look back at what I talked about earlier with their incessant mention of Sessrin vs. Inukag. Because THIS is another popular example of how these shippers present their side and then ignore all the facts. Many fans have already proven how fucked up and inaccurate it is to label whole countries and cultures. It’s like they simply think mentioning it makes it count even though we’ve discredited their points over and over. Nah, you got to back it up with good reasons that support your side of the argument. That’s How To Have An Argument: 101. So at the end of the day, all they're actually achieving in doing is making dumb and entirely unrelated accusations based on nothing just to lead to deductions that are equally unfounded. Nothing at all is accomplished but more gaslighting and hurling of insults on their part = a complete waste of time for antis = an excuse for them to peace out early from the conversation & that’s what they wanted all along
We’ve reached the end (finally! sorry for all the rambling!), and I hope those of you who stayed till the end or read enough can take something positive out of this. As many Inuyasha fans are aware, there will be a livestream with the VAs for Sesshomaru and Rin coming out within the next few hours. We don’t have all the details yet, and afterwards we probably still won’t. I’m not just talking about Sessrin here but about the sequel in general. Whatever happens, please just remember to be kind to one another. If you don’t think you’re capable of doing that, then it’s best you vent and fume elsewhere. Easier said than done, I know, but just try. Throughout this blog, I admit there were moments where I got frustrated and took some jabs at Sessrin shippers. Please believe me when I say that I do not and would not ever wish any of you ill will. 
Inuyasha was such a huge part of my childhood, and I’m not gonna lie, I’m anxious as hell that Sunrise will ruin one of the best things I loved about this show. So pardon me if my reactions are too visceral for your liking. haha Also, like the movies and the drama cd, this sequel is not in fact canon. Therefore, for those of you who disagree or who still plan to enjoy this new series, respect the fact that some of us fans will definitely “cancel” it if we feel that’s what we have to do to come to terms with it and move on. Fans have that right, after all. Why should we get on board with something if it’s so uncharacteristic of and unrecognizable from the original source material? If all this is some sort of cash grab of Sunrise’s doing, then count me out. I truly hope that this sequel turn outs being a lot more promising than a lot of us are expecting. I’m begging you, Sunrise, I wanna believe you’re better than this. Please and thank you!   
By the way, if you’re interested, feel free to check out my two other blogs on this same subject. Click here and here. The last two screenshots do not come from something I’ve written myself. If you’d like to read more from where those came from, let me know and I’d be more than happy to send you the links. Okay, bye for now. Peace out and stay safe, everyone! 
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actuallylorelaigilmore · 6 years ago
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hi, sorry to bother you, i love your blog and your fics, i have read them more than once, my favorite one is the one in which elena calls schneider dad, i have fic prompt i don't know how you fell about this but my friend and i were talking about alex coming out as bi and we said that the first person, he would come out to would be scheneider, if you want to write it, it would be great but if you don't that's fine too, i hope you have a nice day and i can see more of your fics.
Hi anon!! you’re not bothering me AT ALL, this was the sweetest ask! I can’t say I ever planned to write a bi!Alex coming out fic, but as soon as you asked I really had a ton of fun with it. 
Here’s where I’m coming from, personally, just fyi: I totally think that Alex would make sense coming out as bi, but I suspect the show loves having positive examples of straight-male-ally characters too much to ever take his character there, the same way that platonic Penelope and Schneider mean a lot to them on principle. 
That being said, though, bisexual!Schneider is very important to me, so that’s in this fic too even though you didn’t ask for it. Hopefully you don’t mind :)
Alex & Schneider & Penelope, One Day At A Time. Also on AO3.
“Hey, Schneider?”
Schneider looked up from the model train he was laying out in his parlor, and over to where Alex was playing video games on the couch. He had come upstairs an hour ago complaining that Elena was hogging the TV at home.
“Yeah. What’s up?”
“I need some advice.”
Alex’s game was silent now, on pause. Schneider was pretty sure Lydia was his go-to for important discussions, followed by Alex’s friends and then maybe Elena, so he wasn’t sure what advice Alex would come to him for–but he knew it must be important.
Schneider got up off the floor and joined him on the couch. “I’m totally here for you, man,” he assured Alex, aiming for cool and landing somewhere in the realm of awkward stepdad.
“Thanks. The thing is…” Alex bit his lip, thinking it over before he continued. “I got asked out by somebody I really like.”
“That’s great! Is there a problem?”
“Kind of. You know how my mom is, she’s super strict about me and Elena dating. Even now that Elena’s been with Syd for like, forever, I practically had to give Mom an itemized list of every date thing I might do with Chloe before she would let me go.”
“Chloe was your first girlfriend, though,” Schneider pointed out. “And you were only fifteen.”
“I don’t think my mom is going to see sixteen as being all that different from fifteen.”
“So, are you looking for a way to get her to loosen up? Because I hate to let you down, dude, but your Mom is who she is. I don’t see that changing. And I definitely don’t think she’s going to take advice about her dating rules from me. She’s pretty comfortable being in charge of you solo at this point.”
“No, I know. I don’t need you to talk to my mom. I just need help figuring out how to tell her.”
“You told her about Chloe. I’m not seeing the hard part.”
Alex took a deep breath and let it out, slowly. “Okay. The thing is, I got asked to the movies by Spencer.”
“I thought Spencer was…oh.”
Alex watched Schneider catch up, trying to figure out what he was thinking from his expression. His face was usually pretty easy to read, but Alex couldn’t get more than mild surprise from it.
“Spencer’s your friend, right? The new kid?”
“Yeah. My friend, who’s not a girl.”
“Well, you have mentioned him a lot,” Schneider thought out loud.
“I really like him.”
“And he asked you out! So he likes you back. Way to go, man.” Schneider fist-bumped him with a grin, and Alex relaxed a little. He knew coming to Schneider was the right idea.
“Yeah. Yeah, he does. Which is awesome. But if I want to actually go out with him, I have to tell my mom. And then Elena and my Abuelita will know, and I’m not sure if I’m ready for that.”
“So–wait. Nobody knows?”
Alex shook his head. “My friends do. But nobody in the family, until now.”
Referring to Schneider as family was always guaranteed to distract him from the actual conversation, but he only got that goofy happy look in his eyes for a few seconds before he focused back in. “You know, your mom and Lydia are totally cool with Elena being gay.”
“I know they are. But gay isn’t bi. Abuelita would support me if I came out as gay…I’m not sure she knows what bisexuality is. And my mom, she’s great about Elena, but girls liking girls isn’t the same as guys with guys. People don’t treat it the same. Plus, just because I like Spencer doesn’t mean I’ll end up with a guy, but if I date a girl, that doesn’t mean I’m straight…it’s just so much more complicated.”
“Alex, your mom is good at complicated. I promise you. And I’ve never seen anyone love another person as much as your Abuelita loves you. But I get it–coming out is tricky. You’re the only one who knows if you’re ready.”
Schneider tapped his fingers against his knee. “Since you asked for my advice, I think you should be honest with your mom. Give her a chance. It’s the quickest way to a date with Spencer,” he added encouragingly.
“Yeah.” Alex sighed. “I knew you would say that.”
“That’s because it’s excellent advice,” Schneider joked. “Seriously, though, I’m honored that you felt like you could confide in me.”
“You were so cool about Elena,” Alex said. “You didn’t make it weird, and you treated her the same…and you didn’t tell my mom. You waited and let Elena do it.”
He heard the unspoken question and smiled. “Of course I did. Just like I will for you. I told you, I get it. Nobody should be able to choose for you. Your whole family is gonna be there for you, when it’s time, I’m telling you. But until then, you can come to me if you need to. If you have questions.”
“If I have questions about what?”
Schneider scoffed. “About guys, obviously. About being a bi guy.”
“No offense, Schneider, I know you’re ‘super woke’ and all, but I think that’s a little outside your area.”
“Think again, Alejandro.”
Alex rolled his eyes at the way Schneider liked to use–and slightly mispronounce–his full name. Then it hit him, mostly because of the unusually serious look on Schneider’s face.
“Wait. What? Are you saying that you…”
“Tried to start a band in college called The Bi Guys, of which I was the lead singer and the in-hindsight-objectively-terrible songwriter? Yes.”
“I don’t get it. Why didn’t you lead with that? Also–it’s been four years! Why didn’t I already know that?”
“An excellent question. Maybe you should spend a little less time focused on this,” Schneider said, pointing at Alex’s face, “and a little more focused on this.” He spread his hands to indicate the world around them, which just made it seem like he was trying to tell Alex to pay more attention to his enormous apartment.
“Don’t get me wrong, I really like women. I always have. Compared to that, I’ve only been into a few guys, my whole life. And my first relationship with another guy, I was at Pepperdine and it was before I got sober….I was kind of a dick. So, you know, I try to be more respectful now, more on-the-down-low. But it’s never been something I hide or anything. I guess it just doesn’t come up that much in regular conversation.”
“It’s never come up at all.”
“Maybe not. Then again, why would it? I don’t go around talking to you or your sister about my sex life.”
“Does my mom know?”
“She’s never asked me about it, but I think so. Yeah.”
“And she’s…cool?”
“The coolest. Alex, she may be old-school, not nearly as with it as I am–hey, stop laughing!”
Despite his protest, Schneider elbowed Alex lightly, taking the teasing in the easygoing way he usually did.
“Your mom always comes through. You’re lucky that way.”
“Yeah.” Alex smiled, a little bit sheepish. “She can be really a lot sometimes, but I am lucky.”
“She can be a lot? Have you seen your Insta feed?”
“Whatever, dude. Have you seen yours?”
Alex’s smile faded. “I do want to tell her. It sucks keeping it a secret. But when the whole family knows, it’s just going to be…”
“Intense. You don’t have to tell me that, I’ve seen them jump on your Homecoming pictures like sharks scenting blood. It’ll be a relief, though, too. Being honest usually is, even when it’s hard. So when it comes down to it…what are you really worried about?”
He frowned, hesitating long enough that Schneider thought he might not answer at all.
“Elena,” Alex admitted finally, and Schneider leaned back, surprised.
“Elena? She’s out and proud! Like, way, way out. No way is she going to have a problem with you being bi.”
“Oh, I know. She’s not going to have a problem with it. But I spent so much time, after she came out, telling her how straight I was–I don’t think I can take the I told you sos and the aggressively supportive vibe. I can already picture it: she’s going to sneak into my room during an away game and redecorate the whole thing in bi pride colors or something.’
“Bi pride colors kick ass, but go on.”
“I’m not like her. I don’t want my whole life to be about me liking guys, when I like girls too. I just want to be able to like Spencer. Without her turning it into a huge deal. She has no chill.”
“Chill is overrated, you know.” But Schneider nodded, thinking it over. “I can’t help you with the whole ‘my sister is too supportive’ thing. That’s kind of the best problem to have, when it comes to coming out. As for the ‘I told you so’s? Look at it this way. Why did you feel like you had to deny it so much? Was it because Elena kept asking?”
Alex thought about it, and shrugged. “Yeah, I guess. Maybe. She can be so pushy, you know? It just got on my nerves.”
“That’s the joy of siblings,” Schneider agreed. Alex was pretty sure he’d never heard him talk about any sisters or brothers before; he thought Schneider was an only child. He tucked that curiosity away for another time.
“So maybe,” Schneider continued, “Elena had her reasons.”
“Besides being her usual level of annoying?”
“Besides that.” Schneider shook his head, amused. “She’s your big sister, Alex. And she’s gay. You might consider the possibility that she kept asking because she was expecting a different answer. And if she was, then you telling her now won’t be a surprise. It could even be…welcome.”
“Huh.”
“I didn’t have a big sister like Elena,” Schneider explained, “when I was figuring out who I was. There’s such a difference, being alone with it.”
He paused and let that sink in.
“And Elena never had an Elena either.”
Alex’s worry transformed into understanding. “She was hoping I was like her.”
“Maybe. It was rough for her, especially with your dad. I’m sure it occurred to her over the years that being different together would’ve been less lonely.”
“I never thought about it like that before,” Alex admitted. “I know it was hard, but she’s so loud and proud now…you really think it might make her feel better?”
“There’s only one way to know for sure.”
Alex nodded, his mouth firming into a resolved line. “Can I finish my game later?”
“Sure. I’ll hit save for you.”
“Thanks.”
“Do you want me to come with you?” Schneider asked as Alex got up, no longer looking weighed down by worry.
“It’s really more of a one-on-one conversation–no offense, but that would be weird. Thanks for everything, though, Schneider. I think I can handle it now.”
“Okay. Cool.” Schneider was already turning off the video game and settling in to watch a Netflix documentary about Austrian yodelers. “Just remember, I’m right upstairs if you need anything. Door’s always open.”
“Literally. I know.” Alex stopped in the doorway to grin back at him. “You know you’re awesome, right?”
“The awesomest,” Schneider agreed, smiling back.
“I’ll have to ask my mom,” Alex added, “but if she’s cool with it, you and Elena and me, we should go to Pride this summer.”
“I can show you my favorite booths!” Schneider almost bounced out of his seat, instantly excited. “Deal. And your mom will say yes, if I have to talk her into it myself. I bet I can get her to come with us.”
Alex narrowed his eyes. “I seriously doubt it. Between the crowds and the noise, there’s no way. If you weren’t in GA, I’d put money on that.”
“You have so little faith in me,” Schneider lamented. “You’ll see. I’ll buy her a flag to wave and everything. We’ll make it a family affair.”
“Abuelita will end up on a float!” Alex ducked his head, still laughing when he left.
Schneider missed the first three yodelers’ segments entirely, waiting for the text from Penelope he knew would arrive soon. He estimated ten minutes for the talk, ten minutes for her to get the sentimental crying out of her system, and five more for her to lay down the rules for Alex’s next date. A half hour, tops.
It only took fifteen minutes.
But she didn’t text.
Penelope let herself into his apartment without even knocking first, just opened the door and headed straight for Schneider–a petite, Cuban, him-seeking missile.
She was in his arms before Schneider had the chance to draw a breath, getting a tiny ‘oof’ out of him when she squeezed.
“I have the best kids,” Penelope half-sobbed into his chest, and he rested his cheek on top of her head, squeezing back.
“You really do,” he agreed. He listened to her sniffle for a moment, waiting while her breathing settled down.
“So, Pen…wanna go to Pride with us?”
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bigskydreaming · 6 years ago
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Batfandom’s favorite word to use is “adopted.” And I don’t mean that in a good way, but in a ‘nah, this is actually kinda obnoxious’ way?
Like, 90% of fics and headcanons in Batfandom flat out refuse to use the words ‘father,’ ‘brother(s),’ ‘sister’ or ‘son(s),’ without the qualifier ‘adopted’ always, always, ALWAYS attached to the front of said words. Like, endlessly. Over and over. Not just once, early on, to establish the specific nature of the family relationships, but like....this sledgehammer insistence on bringing that point home. Each. And. Every. Time. A. Familial. Relationship. Is. Described. Ever.
Sorry to be cranky about it, I know people don’t mean any harm by it, and like, I’m not saying its offensive. That’s not the right word IMO, but its definitely....grating? And just to be clear, I don’t pretend I’m speaking for everyone who’s adopted or from adopted families, I’m sure plenty of people who fit that description have different takes on this than me. BUUUUT I also know for a fact that I am not the only person this bugs in a big way. I’ve had this convo over the years with a lot of other fans I know who are adopted. And its not just Batfandom either, its every fandom with central adoptive relationships, like Thor and Loki, etc. Its just especially jarring in Batfandom because there’s so many different adoptive relationships front and center, so this pops up like...EVERYWHERE.
Idk, like....I’d just ask that writers please consider WHY they feel the qualifier ‘adopted/adoptive’ is a necessary addition every time the label of father/son/brother is used in a fic. What they think it adds, what they feel it describes about the relationship that’s different from any other father/son/brother relationship. Because I do think that most people (at least those not from adopted families themselves) do it without thinking about it. It seems just like another descriptor, like its addition is just a level of specificity that’s like, slightly more accurate than JUST father/son/brother......its just. In my experience, and that of most other adopted kids/relatives of adopted kids I’ve spoken with personally....that’s not really how it works?
Its about context, is the thing. How a thing is framed. When used just initially, like when establishing the exact nature of family dynamics, sure, in that sense its an accurate descriptor that lends an additional level of specificity to family relationships. It describes how this particular family formed, how it came to be. But AFTER that’s been established....that qualifier of adopted tacked onto every family label....its no longer establishing anything further. Instead, now its just perpetuating the idea that the nature of the family relationship itself is inherently different, BECAUSE of how it was formed.
Its a subtle distinction, but its very much a real and definite distinction. When first used, ‘adopted’ describes a family origin. Used over and over, ‘adopted’ describes a family that’s somehow wholly different from non-adopted families, BECAUSE that specific family origin is seen as superseding and overlaying every other aspect of the family and its inter-dynamics. You see what I’m saying? And its that latter part that grates, because...no? That’s not....that’s not nearly the omnipresent thing that I think a lot of people seem to take for granted it is?
Again, maybe its different for other adopted families, but like.....okay. So, in my case, my mom’s technically my adopted mom, I have a different bio mom that I haven’t seen since I was ten, my older sister has the same bio parents as me and my two younger siblings are adopted with no biological relation to each other or to anyone else in our family, though unlike me and my sister were adopted at birth. For as long as my mom’s been my mom....I barely ever referred to my mom as anything other than my mom. It usually didn’t occur to me to use qualifiers when describing her, because like, she was who I saw as my mom. I mean, she’s literally my mom. That’s literally what that word adopted in front of the label ‘mother’ means. Whether you include it or not, the mother part remains true. 
And in fact, describing her as my adopted mom wasn’t even like, an establishing qualifier I always included when first talking about my family to someone who didn’t know our history. It was usually more kinda....a tenth conversation kind of clarification because it was more an afterthought than anything else? Like kinda a belated realization when they looked at me confused at something I just said, like...’oh yeah, see technically my mom is my adopted mom, and when I said ‘my mom’ there just now I was actually talking about my bio mom, totally different thing. Like technically I have two, but only one really matters most of the time so its not worth mentioning to like, everyone I meet, you know?’ That sort of thing. If anything, I was more likely to use the qualifier in regards to my birth mom, the one I didn’t live with. Like I’d say, this is my mom when talking about my mom, as in my adopted mom, and I’d refer to my birth mom as just that, as my birth mom or my bio mom.
And my siblings and I tended to describe ourselves as adopted siblings more upfront, at least when introducing ourselves and our familial relationship to someone new...but that was less about us seeing us our sibling relationship as being different from non-adopted families, and more just like...a necessary avoidance of bullshit? LOL, because I mean, its kinda obvious that my siblings and I aren’t biologically related. I’m white, my little sister is Vietnamese, my little brother’s indigenous Mexican. We tended to lead with “this is my sister/brother, we’re adopted’, but mostly because like.....full offense, but people are kinda dumb? *Shrugs* If we just said ‘this is my sister and this is my brother’ and just left it at that, people would nine out of ten times like....stutter and get all squinty-eyed and confused and be all...what...how...because lol, idk, apparently its a hugely hard leap to figure out oh hey, maybe adoption is a thing here? 
(And also just FYI in general, it was always just annoying because like, even if you don’t ‘get’ HOW two seemingly unrelated people can be related and all they say when introducing themselves is ‘we’re brother and sister’, like.....you’re not actually owed an in depth explanation as to omg how did this strange phenomenon come to be. And the entitlement so many people we encountered growing up, where like....they felt they were owed our life stories upon meeting us just once, simply because they Didn’t Understand and somehow this equated to But They NEEDED To Understand, because...Reasons....like, no. You don’t actually need to understand how two people are related if they don’t feel like providing you with the full context. Either take them at face value or don’t, you don’t get to be a dick and demand a full accounting of their legal and symbolic relationships just so you can like....validate this and be all okay yeah, that checks out, I’ll allow it. LOL. No? Your validation of our relationship is not required, nor is your understanding of it, get over yourselves. So just. Like. Don’t be Those Guys. If you meet people who introduce themselves as family and the exact nature of that family relationship isn’t immediately obvious or seems somewhat confusing like....just...deal? They’ll tell you more if they want you to know more, and if they don’t tell you more they probably feel you know everything you need to know and that’s literally their call to make, so....yeah).
Idk. Like, due to the age differences in our family, my little sister and I were the only ones who overlapped in attending the same schools at the same time, just different grade levels. And we used to have this bit where any time someone new stumbled while grasping the fact that we were brother and sister, and they did that Brain Malfunction, Processing Error glitch face while they tried to compute Asian sister, white brother, how does that even work....so like, at some point we just started doing this thing where any time we saw that Look, my little sister would launch into this painfully earnest explanation of how so, “okay, our dad’s Vietnamese and our mom’s white, and I got all the Vietnamese genes and my brother here got all the white genes,” and I would just keep a totally straight face and nod along, backing her up, and you could literally see them falling for it for a good minute or so before they realized oh hey, they’re totally just bullshitting me. And then eventually we got told to cut it out because teachers were complaining about looking dumb in front of other students when we did that, which, well duh that’s cuz you were, dumbasses BUT I DIGRESS.
But point is.....I honestly do not know many (if any) adopted families who go around making a point to emphasize the adopted part of their family relationships any and every time they come up, the way most fiction tends to depict adopted characters doing? Once we established to a person that yes, we’re adopted, we didn’t ever feel a need to re-emphasize that or re-establish that same point any time after that. If they idk, forgot or got confused again or whatever, I mean...not our problem, you know? You get one explanation, if you still don’t get it after that, you’re probably not gonna get it anyway because its not like....rocket science. Was pretty much our stance.
And so okay, full disclosure, since anyone who’s followed me for some time has heard me talk about not really having a relationship with my family anymore....like yeah, its true, but because of a whole host of reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with anyone’s adoption status. I mean, I basically hate my parents’ guts and have for a long time, but they’re still my parents, biological and adopted ones alike. And I love my siblings, we’re just unfortunately not close anymore because of all kinds of baggage that got heaped on us that there was really no way to deal with gracefully, look there are reasons I project on the Batfam and identify with that source material, lmao. 
Again though, my point is.....even at the best of times, my family was crazy dysfunctional, much like the Batfamily is.....but even at the worst of times, literally nobody in my family was ever going around insisting on making a distinction about most of us not being biologically related, you know? That’s just....not a thing, IME. Like, family’s kinda all or nothing. You’re either family, or you’re not. The how of it only really matters if you’re hashing out something where that’s specifically relevant, otherwise, not so much because I mean....if it was that easy to make a distinction about how your family is only kinda technically sorta your family, it’d be a hell of a lot easier to just...walk away, you know? Like, even when you flat out hate members of your family, there’s not really a lot of confusion on whether or not you actually consider them family. As complicated as your family dynamic might be, people aren’t usually looking for places to add in that additional complication of ‘mmm but are we reeeeeeally even family, technically?’
So all of that plays into why its so jarring to see writers so insistently and repeatedly emphasize the ‘adopted’ part of Batfamily relationships, as though its like the most important aspect of their entire family dynamic...the be all and end all, the thing EVERYTHING inevitably traces back to, in every fight, in every dynamic, etc. And yeah, I do think people who aren’t adopted or from blended families themselves should maybe put a little more thought into what’s going through their head when they emphasize the adopted part of a family dynamic, like why they fixate on it as the most defining aspect or criteria of it. Because its really not nearly as reflective of reality as the sheer overwhelming SAMENESS of how often its written that way would suggest. Again, just speaking in my experience and that of those I’ve had this fandom conversation with, over the years.
Like, any way you write them, the Batfamily is dysfunctional as hell and always will be. But bottom line, there are some not that great implications underlying the....default assumption, that this dysfunctionality all stems from or inevitably traces back to that ‘adoptive’ qualifier. Have Dick or Jason or Tim or Damian flat out hating each other’s guts at times, there’s certainly canon to support it, and sure, insecurity as to their individual places in their family is always going to be at least a PART of it, but like....being insecure about your place in your family isn’t exactly an experience unique to adopted members of families, you know? But the way the Batfamily is usually written certainly seems to treat that as the takeaway, and again, I’m not sure offensive is the way I’d describe that, but it most definitely is grating. And it never fails to pull me right out of a story and like, moan dramatically at the heavens “oh my god, whyyyyyy, why do so many writers think we’re all just...totally unaware that these kids are all adopted and need to remind themselves and each other and us of that every other paragraph’. 
Mostly because I’m dramatic like that, but also because its annoying too. Like....we get it, dudes. This is not brand new information. Its okay. You can refer to Bruce as just ‘their father’ or to their brothers or Cass as just ‘their brothers and sister��. You will not have like...lied, or anything.
Anyway. Those are my 6 am thoughts on the Batfam, fandom in general, and how you really only need to use the word ‘adopted’ like...once per relationship per fic. That’s really all it takes? The additional 674 mentions of adoption are kinda....gratuitous.
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kote-the-inn-keeper · 8 years ago
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Rings: Theory.
So, I was talking with someone earlier today about several topics, and one topic that came up were all of Kote’s rings. Why does he have so many? Does he really know all the names of those things? Will he ever get all of these? I’ll try and talk about this the best I can in this post. 
To save the poor eyes of some, I will be putting this under a cut.
Hello, hello! Here we go.
Now, as we know, rings go on specific hands in places yadda yadda. I will get there, just wait. Where we are going to start is that Kote has said he had TWO hands of rings. One on every finger: Stone, Iron, Amber, Wood, Bone on one hand. The other hands: Blood, Air/Wind, Flame, Ice, Unnamed.
That’s 10 rings. I’ll be going over the ideas of every ring. So get ready as you go ahead past this point. Left hand for Namer’s earned rings for mastering of skill, Right hand “something none of you can comprehend yet” as said by Elodin. But,as for the right, I will be going with the idea it is gifted rings to Kvothe, not whatever Elodin was trying to possibly imply.
Let’s start general, shall we, with one question: Does he really know the name of all these things? ABSOLUTELY NOT.
So before you jump and scream ‘All things have names’, that is NOT the argument I am making here. All things DO have names, but he doesn’t KNOW all of them. The way he presents the rings establishes the idea that he knows names of all these things [listed above], when in fact, he does not. As much as our little red headed boy is a genius and prodigy, he took a book and a half to call Wind, his first and major goal. Even then, it isn’t mastered or under control until [assumedly] the scene at the Adem Mercenaries when he calls the wind to stop so he can walk out from the tree of leaves that are like knives. That’s is ONE, not nine different rings. But, he does have some of these other ones; not through naming.
TL;DR: He didn’t learn the names of all these things / will not. He has picked these up as time has gone in some manner.
1. Wind. 
Since that is literally the name of the book and his main mission in life. Wind has been obsessed over and searched for and brought many troubles to Kvothe through his time of learning it. It is assumed that he has the ring, by what he says to Elodin and such interaction on the bridge at that point in The Wise Man’s Fear. To loosely cap, the two were on the bridge talking, and Kvothe was being himself and snarky. Elodin lead into explaining the nature of knowing names is to have a ring of said element; then asking Kvothe if he HAD a ring of air/wind. To which Kvothe basically replied ‘you don’t know lmao get rekt’, and never said if he did or not directly. So, it’s okay so assume he has Wind/Air ring on his hand, since he said it in his own shit eating grin manner. But that’s one of nine he has ‘named’.
Before I continue, on a side note, it has been mentioned that NAMER rings go on a specific hand. If you read the passage that speaks of the rings Kote owns, it’s not specific. It says “One one hand.... On the other hand...” Which can lead some people to be confused. But this actually opens the door the thought that not all these rings come from naming; but other places and are on his hands for other reasons. The rings are also listed in a manner to tell us this hand is the gifted / possibly stolen hand, these are the named hand. It starts with the normal hand first, then the ‘magic’ hand, so keep that in mind!
And backtrack, since that point came in, apologies!
2. Iron and Wood. 
All things have names, sure. But, I think where this one came from was rather obvious. Well, these two, at least.
Following along the lines of this hand of rings being presented as a gift in one way or another, if we go back to The Wise Man’s Fear, there was a ring system to show respect, status, and more in Vintas [where the Maer lives]. Gold is those above you, silver for equals, and iron for those below. Now, as we read further, we know Gold and Silver and Iron are most common, but not the only ring possible. The tradition came from the common people, where the rings are / were: Grass to women one is ‘courting’ [that’s sex fyi just in case you were not aware tbh I wasn’t don’t feel bad], Leather for promises, Horn for power and enmity, Bone for debt that is ever lasting, Wood was used for those FAR below you and a serious offense. “But, Sam, you listed half the rings on that hand in one go!” Yes, I know. I’m getting to some points, but focusing on stone first. 
As we know, he had a bowl of rings, and had many different ones; the inflow of them changed after events; but started off mostly Iron and and Meluan [fanon / heavily assumed to be Kvothe’s aunt] having the guts to send one of wood. With this, we know he worse some of them, unknowingly of course at first. 
Now, Kvothe, being himself, is rather obviously going to wear the rings of Iron and Wood as a huge ‘Fuck you’ towards those who sent them to him. It’s a constant battle, due to his heritage, to not be seen as lesser. So instead, Kvothe prances such about to make everyone else look stupid and like the conceded assholes they are. So, with this, he kept the ring of wood and one of the rings of Iron. While I believe it is also as a reminder of him time there, evidence if you will, the ring of Iron has more use.
Fae don’t like Iron, as many don’t from traditional tales. While he didn’t know many fae at the time, he had meet them before. While he didn’t take more than one, he kept one on him as possible self defense -- or it became that later down the road. Say a fae grabbed him, he could grab them or swing his hand to press the Iron into their skin to get them to let go. This is a very weak link as to why he has Iron, but the ring of Iron was built up later to have more meaning than the original intention. Which left wood on his hand as a huge ‘fuck you’ and owning the ring instead of letting the meaning own him; considering his ‘aunt’ [stated before supposed and heavily implied due to his fathers poem about his mother] sent it to him soly based on his heritage and looks.
3. Bone. 
This is also kind of obvious, I think, as well and in the same way is connected to the point above. Stapes gave him the ring of bone after saving the Maer’s life. These rings are generally made from the giver’s relatives to show just how dedicated and how much life the person owes the other. Pretty clear on why Kote still has that and why that one is not something named, instead, gifted. Not much more to say here... I don’t think?
It was gifted to him and he kept it.
4. Stone. 
Now, we know Stone has a name, so why is this one listed on the hand that doesn’t have names? We could assume many things about this. One being that it’s a gift, another being he stole it and doesn’t know the name, and a third being it’s not the type of name that a Namer goes for. Going along the lines that this has been gifted like the others on this hand; it could be given to him by Fela -- someone we KNOW knows the name of stone canonly -- for one reason or another. We could go on for days with reasons, but it is possibly, one way or another, she gifts it to him. Or stolen from her or some UNGODLY REASON.
Going along the lines of ‘Oh, but, what if the other hand got full?’, then in the next book, we all expect him to learn the name of stone at some point. I mean, the book is called ‘The Doors of Stone.’ But, my only issue with this theory is why would he switch the hand? It’s tradition for the ring to go on a specific hand, and why would something so hard to obtain be able to possibly break so easy [a reason why some people don’t wear more than one ring on a finger depending on material] to the point it’s on the wrong hand? While there is the argument of ‘Kvothe doesn’t give a shit bout rules!!!’, he’s also not disrespectful and is extremely dedicated to Naming and learning. 
If this ring doe not come from Fela, it is possible it comes from another source or person. Possibly found it and claims to know the name of stone, taken from someone who used the name of stone against him, or gifted from someone who no longer wanted it in one way or another. Possibly o help him find the name sooner? Not sure.
5. Amber
This one is... harder to get into. There was no gifts of amber, not much of anything of anyone saying a word of amber, or anything of the like. So, this one had to be gifted to him for one reason or another.
The ONLY thing I could find about amber was when Sim [and I quote very loosely] said “Amber controls demons”. So for one reason or another, Kvothe got into some mess, or was about too, and either crafted himself a ring of Amber, or someone gifted it to him.
My theory on this is that Kvothe went back to the University and told Sim and pals about his trip out. of course it was mostly laughed off, but Sim is superstitious. So while he laughed it off, he ends up gifting Kvothe a ring of Amber to keep ‘demons and stuff’ away from him and keep him safe on his next travel, or when he is leaving again after being expelled. Also in a way for him to remember Sim and his time at the University. That’s all I can really build into that one, considering not a peep of that ring has even been spilled in the books.
And back to the Namer hand!
6. Blood.
Most people, when thinking of this ring, probably think of literal blood. Kinda like blood bending in Avatar. But, I am going to disagree on this for a moment. While yes, there is something to do with blood and controlling a person [See reasons for Devi keeping contracts blood in viles to ensure payment], I still don’t think it’s to that degree; of the ring being in that sense. Calling a name Name seems rather redundant and dumb; so it’s called blood.
As we know, in this universe, ALL names have power -- including people’s names. Which is why no one says Chandrian without glancing about in slight fear. Names draw people closer; even in real life. We use names to get one another attention, make self identities, and establish existence. In this universe, to truly HAVE someone’s name is to nearly own their whole existence. Probably as far as mind, body, and soul. Blood included due to the super strong link to said person.
To have a ring of Blood, Kote had to have learned someones name past the superficial. To the point of literally owning them even further than sweet Devi does with bottled blood drops as fear. We have seen naming can ‘conjure’ [for a lack of a better word], elements. So perhaps having the Name for someone’s name is, in a sense, to conjure them into doing what you please or need past asking. Like lulling them into wanting to do something for you -- like casting ‘Suggestion’ in DnD.
While it would be cool to have a literal ring of blood painted on his finger, it would more than likely wash away. Or having the ability to have a a ring of blood circulate ones finger would draw some eyes. A possibility in the manifestation of this ring, is alchemical petrification of some manner, so it’s solid like stone or wood. Another one is ‘Fuck you Sam this is fantasy and rings of blood can and won’t wash away it’s sympathy / magic mOVE ON’. Normally, I’d say yeah, okay, totally, but I DON’T WANNA cause I’m not DONE. Thinking practically and in the sense that learning the names of things give you rings, it would have to be something someone could wear; which leads me to my next idea. It could be some Fishery work where he has glass that isn’t shatter-able and he put the persons blood in it, so he has it on his person -- similar to Devi -- as a threat against them; or perhaps trust on the blood person’s end. Any and either way, he knows this person’s name and has intentions of and or has used it enough to gain a ring from it.
7. Fire.
This one has been hinted at one time in the book. Literally once; but in a good manner and possibly in the direction this one will actually be the next name he learns fully. While after the weird ‘Let’s set the whole class against Kvothe to test this little bastards alar’ session, he goes to the front of the room and talks tot he Master who runs the lass about naming. He heard only part of the word fire -- well, hears anything at all. Which the master was surprised at and comments his waking mind is more alert and open. Also it’s known that once you learn one, the others come easier because your mind is already open and hearing such becomes more easy.
Another hint is him literally [accidentally / coincidentally / whatever you wanna call it] calling down lightning to cause a ire in the camp where the bandits were. ‘But, Sam, ligh--’ It causes fire and made a huge damn explosion happen, it was fire in a way okay? Let’s just shhhhh.... Shhh. Connect it to fire since lightning isn’t a ring. It’ll be better on all of us that way. So, fire could be the next element he obtains and gets a ring for. 
Putting these two instances together, and a possible third spoke n this wheel to finalize that the ring will be his after that, he gets a ring of fire. Which makes this one very clearly learned and not gifted in some manner.
Again, with the idea on how rings, look, we don’t actually know. bu following my train of thought on blood, i doubt the ring will be a literal fire circling around his lower knuckle [as sick hell as that would be]. I think it would be a material of red, with the name held inside of it in some manner. Or, at least, to keep the name of fantasy in here, it would be something solid and clear, with the gentle and warm glow of fire from inside of it as a claim the wearer knows the name of it.
8. Ice.
Boy, does this have NOTHING!!!!!!! It’s so frustrating to build theories and ideas off of a subject that has literally only been said to be on someones hand and nothing else. But god damn am I gonna try this one. 
This is probably coming right after fire, if things are going to be poetic and follow cliches of the two elements. There are several ways on what ice could ‘come’ from, but also entitle in a manner of mastering it. One of the major ones being literal ice. Calling in a snow storm or having it hail; like calling wind, but with colder weather. Or using wind to aid in gaining another. Another way could be obtaining a way to force things to be cold. And I mean this in several ways: transferring the cold one gets from straining themselves over long sympathy use to another, transferring cold from one object to another, or having the name of water and forcing it to be cold on way or another.
We haven’t really eat anyone who knew the Name of ice [yet], so the ideas on how one could get a ring of it is very... complicated. As I said with blood it may not be the literals of object / subject. It could be something linked to the idea of the main Name, or, lead up to the Name of what is trying to be obtained. So bringing the temperature of a place or object [person, water, etc] down to freezing, transferring cold to something else, or literally calling ice from the sky is all a possibility. There is nothing to support or say one is more likely than another, at this point and time as far as I am aware of at least.
The ring could be just ice, it could be a blood and fire situation where its inside the holdings of the ring and is cold to the touch, or it could be a material that is hard and crystallized to look like ice. 
9. Unnamed.
I have read so many ideas on what this could be. From Denna’s ring to Shadows from the cloak Felurian gave him to the void being a ring of immortality. It’s all over the place! I will entertain some of these, but not all, and will keep with the previous ideas above on hands and assigning them.
Now, some people are ‘Oh, that’s Denna’s ring, and he’s left it unnamed!’. Right, but, why would it be on his Namer hand? If anything, that should be the ring of blood; having her name and all that implies; right [if a Namer ring]? That’s assuming you are going with the theory that’s linked to her. Going off the idea it was gifted, it shouldn’t be on that hand and should be switched out for maybe Amber or Iron [depending on how ya feel]. Makes sense int he context that as a gift, it would be on the other hand, of it was Name, it would be blood.
I could maybe see the idea it is Shadow; but why have a ring of such when he was gifted a cloak very carefully made by the equivalent of a fae goddess? You could say that it could be condensed into a ring, and I would probably go with that. Easier packing and travel, take it off and fwoosh cloak! But also, at the same time, it has been described to have mass and react to outside forces. So perhaps not? Shadow does as it pleases, so this could be a more solid theory on the ring if I had more evidence on how it worked. All the same; it was GIFTED. Not learned. So it should be going on the other hand, if that is what the ring is.
Some people say it could be another name; something undisclosed. Some say his own name [Kvothe], some say silence and it’s part of his three [which is why it follows him], and honestly; I can see this one the most. Either one of these; but the silence the most. While, yes, it’s not something object like as fire or blood, it’s something perhaps he managed on his own and is the first.
Let me explain: the silence of the inn is described to FOLLOW him, as bast says rather often. If he [Kote] isn’t paying attention, it becomes almost suffocating and very heavy, changing the way he even presents himself. The silence isn’t there when other people are around, it’s only there when he is alone. I think it s mastered, due to the timing and the placement of silence -- not only written, but the way it’s so heavily tied to Kote. It’s when he is alone, thinking too much, when there is nothing to do or things to speak about. I feel as though the silence is a way to possibly block out not only the world further than he has already with the inn, but his thoughts. Focusing on such a force would obtain all his thought processes and force him to focus in one place and on one thing. Almost a poor coping mechanism, if you will.
We don’t know how or where or when this could have been learned or even mastered, but it could have been somewhere along the road that he maybe hasn’t transcribed verbally, or, yet to happen in the books. With the way Silence is focused on, described, and relayed; it’s just like anything else Named in the books. This is just a theory, but one I support more than most.
The ring could also be his name. Literal or not [thinking literal int he sense of a ring from Vintas with his name forced off of it, but still holds it perhaps], due to no longer going by such and his reactions to having his other name / ‘dead name’ [I use this term because I feel like using Kvothe for Kote is rude and as a trans individual the way such subject is presented is like dead-naming] said is the same as the Chandrian going to where their name has been said. While he goes to it, he is usually unhappy or knows that Bast was saying it but says nothing.
If you read the post linked, I go a bit more into detail why calling him Kvothe as Kote is trauma related not okay to do, and supports the idea onto why he wouldn’t want his name being known to so many people on multiple levels. Basically safety and power over him is the jist to tie it into why it would be a ring [but that post is specifically bout not calling him by his other name cause of trauma he has]. But the possibility of it being his own name wouldn’t be off, and it fits the Namer ordeal. He obviously knows his own name deeper than anyone else, and I doubt anyone [but possibly Auri] could ever know it as deep enough to gain full power of the Name. 
So that’s my... theories and readings on the rings... Um, I’m always bad at ending these posts. But, I hope you enjoyed reading and either see where my points come from, or come up with your own!! Thanks for reading <3 <3 
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letmetellyouaboutmyfeels · 6 years ago
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Redux Time
Okay, my little chili babies. I’m not writing a full Timeless redux because I am not going to redux something that isn’t even canon (CHRISTMAS ISN’T CANON) but I had to get this off my chest so if they’d actually wanted to do a proper finale, here’s what I think in my humble opinion should’ve been done. I’m calling it:
The Miracle of Consistent Writing
Let’s get started. And no, I’m not putting it under a read more because fuck it if I had to suffer through this finale then y’all are gonna suffer reading this whole thing.
1. Make it all about Rufus.
#saveRufus was the hashtag we campaigned with, and that was what we wanted, and then he got shafted so that the boring toxic white heterosexual relationship could be front and center.
Not in this redux, baby, oh no.
The entire first hour should’ve been about saving Rufus. Future!Wyatt and Future!Lucy can only give so much information, and they’re destabilizing the timeline by traveling on their own timeline (a little bit here where say Future!Lucy collapses with a migraine, and Future!Wyatt and Present!Wyatt sharing/swapping memories would be nice), so scrambling with Mason who built the damn time machine and Lucy collaborating with herself gives us some nice tension until BAM, we get our boy back.
The second hour would then have some more plot stuff BUT also put Rufus front and center. He just came back to life. Not only is that going to put him through the emotional/mental shredder, but think about the sociopolitical implications of that. A black man was unfairly gunned down. But unlike all those other times... this black man came back.
This black man lived.
The power of that storyline and that image cannot be denied. Showing Rufus struggling with that (and y’know getting to see his mom and brother who still exist or so I presume seeing as they’re never brought up in season two) would be the focus of the second hour. Because he deserves nothing less.
This includes his relationships with everyone else, FYI. Mason frantically helps modify the Lifeboat and gets to be the first one Rufus sees when he wakes up. Riya of course are front and center. Rufus asks Denise why she risked so much to bring him back when it strategically wasn’t sound and she replies that they’re family and she could do nothing less, and if they can’t save the people they love then what’s the point? Wyatt apologizes to Rufus for Jess and his own behavior leading to this, and how Rufus is his best friend and Wyatt needs to appreciate that more. Lucy tackle hugs Rufus and sobs about how much she loves him and gives him boxes and boxes of Chocodiles. Flynn says something sassy while clapping Rufus on the shoulder and holding in no these aren’t tears, Carlin, shut up, I’m not crying, shut up I said.
But Mads, you say, what about Rittenhouse? Are we going to defeat them? Well, not exactly. Instead...
2. End it with the team going on the offensive against Rittenhouse.
In fencing, you don’t win a match by just parrying your opponent’s attacks. That way lies doom. The best defense is a good offense and so you don’t just parry, you fucking counterattack, and then when they’re trying to defend that counterattack you fake ‘em out and give a full attack, and you press them back into the strip until they’re on home territory and freaking out about it and you keep. on. coming. Nobody wins a fencing match by parrying their way through it. You strike back and you keep striking until your opponent is down.
Also you were just given a sword and told you were legally allowed to stab someone how do you not take that opportunity.
I use fencing as an example because a) I fence and b) fencing has been described as the “chess of sports” and involves a fucking huge amount of strategy. It’s also intense and one-on-one and came from life or death duels so I think it fits as a good analogy.
Also it’s more elegant than boxing in my humble opinion.
The Time Team has been on the defense since the beginning. Flynn had Rittenhouse on the ropes in season one but they struck back hard and the Time Team’s been scrambling ever since. We have seen one (1) offensive attack against Rittenhouse and that was using Ethan Cahill as a double agent. Rittenhouse, meanwhile, has been running around and causing chaos willy-nilly and oh is still very powerful in the present day even if we ignore their shenanigans in the past.
Lucy in 2x10 with her going after Emma made it clear that she’s ready to go on the offensive. She wants to take the fight to them. She’s tired of having everything taken from her and she wants Rittenhouse, and Emma especially, to have some of the pain she’s feeling. So I would have her stand up and say that they got Rufus back, they’ve got renewed hope--it’s time to counterattack.
How? Well, first off, by having Lucy and Flynn combine methods. He said they’d be quite the team someday and this is where we’d see it come into play. Flynn’s got the right idea of going through time going after Rittenhouse, but Lucy’s got the right idea that slash and burning our way through history is going to create levels of chaos we can’t handle--and that we don’t want to let ourselves turn into the darkness we despise.
So, we would show them teaming up to create a plan to hop through time and go after Rittenhouse in more subtle ways. Go back to before WWI breaks out and warn England’s parliament that Rittenhouse is a dangerous German splinter cell and will try to sabotage their war effort. Go to the U.S. government in the 1950s and paint Rittenhouse agents as commies and get them blacklisted. Etc. Combining Lucy’s subtlety and history knowledge with Flynn’s strategizing and persuasive abilities, and we’ve got ourselves a genius plan.
Rittenhouse isn’t fully defeated, but our team now has a new strategy, they’ve got renewed energy, and we can scream and speculate about how the war evolves from here (also Future!Lucy could give her approval since she is clearly a badass).
Second of all, though, the Time Team has an ace in the hole. Someone who can literally predict what Rittenhouse will do next. Someone who can travel on her own throughout time and space and warn the team about the outcomes of certain actions, who can pinpoint important moments in history and actually mentally ‘be’ there for them.
That’s right. I’m talking about...
3. Using Jiya’s visions.
HOW WAS THIS NOT ADDRESSED IN THE FINALE!? WHAT THE FUCK!?
Jiya’s visions are a source of contention between her and Rufus because of the destiny vs. free will debate, which I love. With bringing Rufus back, I would have had it show Jiya that while maybe some futures will still happen, that doesn’t mean we can’t undo them or use that knowledge to change them just enough that things go in our favor. I would have her decide with Rufus’s return that free will triumphs, and I’d have her go to Denise and say “put me in, coach.”
Jiya’s visions take her literally through “all time and space,” as she told Mason in 2x10 when she was searching for Rufus. When Lucy and Flynn think of a time to go to, she can project herself to that time and give them valuable information. She can look into the future and see what Emma plans to do next. I’d have that be the second half of the show: Jiya has a vision and the team goes to prevent Emma’s next plan, proving to themselves in the process that going on the offensive against Rittenhouse works.
This also gives us time for those lovely lovely Jiya and Flynn bromance moments because I am weak for those. And Jiya and Lucy friendship moments--maybe we can even tie it into Jess by the two of them talking about their reality TV show marathons and about how she hurt them by betraying them because yeah yeah Wyatt’s hurt but Jess was their friend, too. Lucy can even quip about how she didn’t want to like Jess but she does and she can see why Wyatt fell in love with her.
YES IT WILL ALSO BE A HINT AT LUCY’S BISEXUALITY BECAUSE I WILL GO DOWN WITH THE BISEXUAL LUCY SHIP GOD FUCKING DAMN IT
*ahem* Anyway that would conclude the finale with not defeating Rittenhouse and wrapping it up definitively--as I said, fans fill in the gaps--but by giving the Time Team a renewed sense of purpose and putting them on the goddam offense, changing the whole game.
Oh, and speaking of Jiya...
4. Riya is the only ship that matters.
You fucking heard me.
This should have been all about Rufus, and that includes his relationship with Jiya. I would have made their reunion and their discussions about Jiya’s visions and their relationship moving forward front and center and dedicated solid time to that. I’d also give them a sex scene because the white people got a sex scene and also have you seen Malcolm’s arms? Or Claudia’s... everything?
Riya are the sweet loving healthy couple we deserve and dammit they deserve to be getting the majority screentime. Give me the tearful reunion. Give me the reaffirming their love. Give me cute Christmas presents at the end. Give me a big swoonworthy kiss where Rufus dips Jiya and the music swells and the film slows down.
But what, Mads, is the team doing this whole thing from when their bunker location has been compromised by Jess? Well that brings us to...
5. Give Denise more to do.
The bunker’s been compromised. They have to save Rufus but Rittenhouse is closing in. While Jiya uses her visions and Mason the resident genius struggles with Future!Wyatt and Future!Lucy to modify their Lifeboat to bring Rufus back, Denise takes Present!Wyatt and Flynn on their own mission: get them a new safehouse, stat. This puts Denise front and center as a leader and gives her a way to save the Time Team and be the motherfucking hero she deserves to be. She fights off Rittenhouse and wrangles a new safehouse and escorts the team there and sets it up for them so that when they come back they land the Lifeboat at the new coordinates.
Oh, and that whole Wyatt and Flynn helping her thing? That brings us nicely to...
6. Flogan moment
YOU FUCKERS HEARD ME. I SAID FLOGAN. DEAL WITH IT.
Flynn and Wyatt are very similar in a lot of ways, but they handle their shit differently and that’s where they diverge. 2x10 ended with Flynn injured, so I would have Flogan helping Denise get a new safehouse and keep Rittenhouse at bay but they’re struggling because Flynn is wounded and the two men get pinned down (maybe Wyatt is injured as well) and have to have a talk because they’re staring death in the face.
I’d have Wyatt apologize to Flynn to start out, saying Flynn is, to quote 3x07 Pasadena from @timeless-season-three (which you should all go and read), “my guy in the foxhole.” I’d have Wyatt say Flynn reached out to him in D.C. (1x06) and that Wyatt was too angry and saw things too black and white to listen, and that Flynn’s had his back in fights since he joined the team, and he’s sorry he was a dick. I’d have Flynn point out that maybe he could’ve talked to Wyatt in a way besides tying the guy up, threatening his life, and poking his guilt over Jess with a stick (peak garbage, Flynn, peak garbage) but that he appreciates Wyatt’s apology.
And, since they’re pinned down and maybe about to die, I’d have the both of them agree that while they still have issues to work out, they have common ground in Lucy, and that if one of them doesn’t make it out, the other promises to care for her. Wyatt would point out that Flynn’s in love with her, and we’d see Flynn acknowledge that so it’s fully canon, and Flynn would point out that Wyatt needs to actually respect Lucy’s wishes if he wants to prove to her that he loves her the way he says he does.
Also Wyatt saying that he probably would’ve done the same in Flynn’s position and have him admit to killing Gillium’s father by accident to try and save Jess because WYATT IS NOT MORALLY BETTER THAN FLYNN IN FACT THEY ARE FOILS TO ONE ANOTHER AND MIRROR EACH OTHER IN THEIR STORYLINES THANK YOU FOR COMING TO MY TED TALK.
Finally, I would wrap up the conversation with Flynn pointing out to Wyatt that Wyatt got what Flynn had fought for, what Lucy longs for with Amy--he got his loved one back. Either give her up or fight for her, but this in-between thing he’s doing isn’t fair to himself or Jess. That would spur Wyatt into action and give us...
7. Wyatt and Jess
Jessica, my darling, my love, come to me. I will treat you right.
Jess is clearly conflicted about Rittenhouse. She stayed in the bunker for weeks if not months when she could’ve stolen the Lifeboat at any time. She didn’t kill Wyatt when she had the chance and he was asleep next to her. In fact she didn’t kill anyone on her way to steal the Lifeboat. She felt bad for kidnapping Jiya, and she assured Wyatt she loved him and that her baby was his. She was raised in what’s essentially a cult--of course she’s been gaslit and has a certain sense of loyalty to them. But she can also easily be redeemed.
I wouldn’t have made Jess pregnant. I think that was a stupid move. But now that it’s done, don’t retcon it and say she lied. What the fuck. Go with it, because a baby gives Jess another strong reason to leave Rittenhouse (scared she’ll have her kid raised in a cult-like atmosphere, maybe a flashback to being raised in Rittenhouse and what it did to her family) and gives Wyatt another reason to be better because he wants to be a better father than his own father was.
I’d have Jess be with the team that Flynn and Wyatt are fighting (showing her be a badass), and have Wyatt use his talk with Flynn to spur him into going to Jess and convincing her to listen to him. I’d have him apologize to her and say if she wants divorce papers, she can have them, he’ll do couples’ therapy and actually be good in them this time, he doesn’t care if they stay married or not what he cares about is that she is safe and not in the clutches of these people, and that they preserve their relationship and if she wants it preserved by just being friends then fine, he’ll take it, but he’s going to fight for her and for their child, because he wants to do good by their child too and he won’t let Rittenhouse take that child from him.
Not sure how this conversation would end, probably with Jess having to flee for some reason, say Denise interrupts somehow, but with some way for Wyatt to contact her--a burner phone or something, setting the stage for Wyatt and Jess to repair their relationship (either as a friendship or as a romance) and for Jess to become a badass double agent.
But Wyatt does still care about Lucy, right? Of course he does. Which would then spur...
8. Wyatt and Lucy
Wyatt needs to go to Lucy and fucking apologize. A real apology. He needs to say that he thanked her for giving him another chance with Jess (because Jess was gonna walk away before Lucy convinced her otherwise) and then treated Lucy like an emotional side piece and didn’t respect her space. I would then have him confess...
“I want to be your friend but I don’t know how.”
A real problem in our society (United States society, that is) is that we teach our men the only times they can be emotionally vulnerable at all is with their romantic (preferably female) partner. Any wonder all our men are toxic piles of messed up masculinity?
Wyatt was intimate with Lucy. He opened up to her and was vulnerable with her. His whole struggle in season two stems from the fact that he wants to maintain that emotional intimacy but has no idea how to do it without the romance, because that’s all that society has taught him. I would have him therefore admit that he hates that they’re not friends anymore and he still wants that closeness with her but doesn’t know how to do it without the romance, and that he screwed up as a result, and that he’ll give her the space she’s been asking for, but if they could work their way back to friendship, he wants that.
Then Lucy can forgive him because she forgives far too easily and that’s something her character needs to work on, and say that she appreciates being given space, and she will take that space, but she hopes they can return to being friends too because she misses his friendship. They hug, it’s great, etc.
Now, this isn’t Garcy shipper me talking. This is what I would do even if I wanted Lyatt as endgame. This conversation sets it up for a season three arc of Wyatt giving Lucy space and them slowly reconciling, followed by a season four arc where you can introduce romantic and sexual tension back in between them while strengthening the friendship, and finally a season five concluding arc where they get together.
Slow burns, guys. They’re delicious. Get behind them.
Wyatt isn’t the only one in Lucy’s heart at the moment, though. She also has a certain six foot four soft pile of trash at her side...
9. Lucy and Flynn
Lucy and Flynn have developed a really beautiful relationship over the course of the show, season two especially, and that needs to be honored. I would have her turn to Flynn in this finale re: her mother and Wyatt.
I would have Lucy confide in Flynn that it feels like all love does is hurt her. She loves Amy and lost her. She loves her mom, but her mom tried to gaslight her and induct her into a cult and didn’t respect her. Wyatt says he loves her but he didn’t respect her space and flaunted Jess in front of her. I would have her break down and say she doesn’t feel like love is anything but pain.
Now, I wouldn’t have Flynn confess his feelings to her. I think that Flynn never intended to say that he loved her. I think that moment in Chinatown was one of two things:
A) Flynn thought Lucy knew he was in love with her so his “that’s not why I’m here” was a sort of self-deprecating, bitter joke to remind her hey, we know I’m the idiot in love with you. When Lucy was confused and asked him why he was here, he realized she didn’t in fact know, and cue blue screen of death.
B) Flynn didn’t realize until that moment that he was in love with Lucy, or at least, he didn’t realize quite how in love with her he was. You know how you say something and only when the other person responds to it you realize what it was that just flew out of your mouth? “That’s not why I’m here,” Flynn says, not even realizing the ramifications of that until Lucy asks him why, and it hits him like a freight train that oh shit oh shit he’s in love with her oh fuck.
In both cases, he doesn’t intend to say he loves her. Would it have slipped out? I think so. Flynn has been brutally honest with Lucy from day one and he would feel she was owed the truth. But now that moment has passed, I think he would hold back from telling her how he felt and would instead focus on comforting her because God knows she doesn’t need another man to force his feelings on her. This also provides a lovely “show don’t tell” moment where we are shown how much Flynn loves Lucy by comforting her and reassuring her that love is painful but also wonderful and promising her that he’s here for her whenever she wants to talk.
This would then spur Lucy to reassure him that she’s here for him as well, and to officially apologize and tell him that he was right the whole time and that she should’ve (like Wyatt) listened to him at the beginning, and that he’s a hero. Flynn can then blush and be a dork and say that well maybe his delivery wasn’t the best (also echoing his conversation with Wyatt for all my Garcyatt peeps out there) but appreciating the apology.
Look at that! All your ships have gotten solid screen time and connections, nothing too explicit but with possibilities for future growth. Look at how fair and balanced that is and how it compromises nobody’s character or integrity.
10. Let us fill in the gaps.
But Mads, what about wrapping everything up? What about concluding the series?
Here’s the thing.
9 out of 10 fans are okay with there being ambiguity and open ended storylines if the story presented does honor to the characters. We are okay. We will fill in the gaps. This is something television show writers need to understand anyway because they need to realize that if they forget canon, we’ll notice, and if they don’t fill in a spot in canon, we’ll do it for them. But in this case it’s a good thing because we will take the story and move it forward. We can work with some open-endedness in exchange for proper character development and representation.
Dare to let it be a bit open-ended. Not a heartbreaking cliffhanger like Rufus’s death, but something for us to go and build off of in our fandom world. Dare to not wrap up all the threads but instead set them up as a springboard for us. I guarantee you even if the show doesn’t get picked up for another season, at least this way you leave fans to happily play in their sandbox.
Trust us. We will take those gaps and run with them. Leaving things a bit open, with the promise of the future, is better than the shoehorned slapdash character assassination we were given. Sticking with the original plan when the story has evolved and that plan no longer works only insults your own artistic integrity and the characters/story and the majority of your fans. Be better. Leave it open. Leave us with possibilities.
And now, it’s time for...
11. Moving Forward
How would things wrap up for everyone? How would we end on a proper Christmas note?
Well, clearly Rufus’s rebirth is the “miracle” of Christmas (what a goddamn cheesy title what the fuck ew get it away from me) so we’ve got that covered. I would end things with Rittenhouse finally on the defense, with the Time Team using Jiya’s visions and their own knowledge of history to land a decisive victory and proving to Rittenhouse how dangerous the team really is and proving to the team themselves that they’ve got this, they can do this. Future!Wyatt and Future!Lucy either go back to their time or disappear, I’m not sure, timey-wimey shit, maybe slightly ominous so we have something to worry about for the next season (traveling on your own timeline creates memory loss, double memories, headaches and nose bleeds! oh noes!).
After landing that victory, we can then show the team getting together to celebrate Christmas. Denise gives them all ugly scarves before she leaves to go home to her family because a) she’s not Christian and b) she isn’t bringing them to the new safehouse. Mason gives a long beautiful speech about how Rufus is his family and how they got to bring him back and isn’t that fantastic etc etc. Flynn is sad a little because of his family and Jiya hugs him and says she knows she can’t replace Iris but Flynn can’t replace her father either but maybe just maybe they can fill in the gaps in their own way. Wyatt and Rufus argue over whether or not Die Hard is a Christmas film. Rufus proposes to Jiya and it’s beautiful and adorkable and he calls her th’y’la because he loves her so much he’ll quote Star Trek for her and everyone cries.
And finally, Lucy is gifted a new gold locket from the team to replace the one she gave away, and she puts her picture of Amy in it and loops it around her neck and looks towards the Lifeboat... knowing that they’re all together, and she will get her sister back, and she will win this war.
TA DAAAAAAAA!
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I'm not trying to be rude or come up as passive aggressive but reading your blog in the past dea weeks made me wonder, have you ever tried to talk to an African American (or black person in general maybe not from the US) and see their point of view on some of the questions you raise at your blog? It just feel like you movk Americans while a conversation with them might not change your mind but could at least open you up to different possibilities.
... er, anon, no offense taken, but:
‘have you ever tried to talk to a black person in general’ man uuuhm I... uh... I teach the language to *migrants and refugees* I’ve spoken to more black people from various African countries than to white people in general for the entire previous year ^^’’’’’ like I speak to at least fifteen black people daily for four days each week and occasionally some of these topics come up and I 100% assure you I never heard tumblr rhetoric come from any of them?
also last year I was giving italian extra tutoring to american students some of which were black and sometimes some hot topics were discussed and I’ve never heard tumblr rhetoric from any of them either?
at least when it comes to the infamous HAIR question that everyone comes back to: my best friend from high school has an angolan adopted brother (who arrived in italy after the civil war in angola) and had like blood relatives in italy and so they all were in contact and like, uhm, given that they regularly made dreads for my friend who had the hair for it offering her to because she would look good in them I can assure you that at least when it comes to that question everyone I ever discussed it with didn’t give two fucks about white people and dreads. also er uhm I went to elementary school in an area which was filled with immigrants back in the day, half of my class was *poc*, including black people from africa/brazil and like everyone.. brought stuff from home to share or taught others something in their language and the likes I mean the concept of **cultural appropriation** the way it is on tumblr didn’t even exist back in the day and I don’t live in a bubble where *pocs* don’t exist ^^’’’’
I follow a bunch of social justice critical blogs full of black american mods who don’t agree with 90% of the tumblr rheroric in that sense and aren’t right wingers
I also follow a lot of people I know aren’t white and they don’t disagree with me on a lot of things (k not all american but... XD)
I’ve had anons from people who said they were african americans and agreed with me or at least said tumblr rhetoric was ridiculous
I’ve never once in my life said that if you’re black in the US you don’t face any issues and tbh if someone black comes to me and says ‘fuck anne frank you only care about the holocaust bc it was white people and not about slavery’ (never mind that I care about both) I’d have no issues telling them to shut up because whatever your problems are oppression olympics when it comes to the holocaust are 100% tasteless
most africans I’ve ever met think that their culture and black american culture have little in common so like if I ask them stuff about the *american* questions I talk about on here they’d probably go like ‘wtf is the problem at me’
(ps: we had a huge school party with the association I work with and there were a bunch of african women twerking, some of the white girls working at the association joined and everyone was like AH YES PLEASE COME ALONG and at the end they were inviting others to come up on stage and dance with them so I think their stance on idk twerking isn’t the same as tumblr’s)
like I don’t want to sound like I know everything because I don’t, I only speak about things that from my perspective seem ridiculous (the hair or complaining that paris gets terrorist attacks and we don’t care about hoax gunners in an american university no one here knows about) (and I’ve seen a bunch of AA people who agree about that btw) and I absolutely am NOT saying black people don’t face issue in the US (like I mean the first time I learned that police brutality in the US was a thing I was twelve, it was because springsteen and fyi I have the lyrics to his song about police brutality with a translation I made myself when I was thirteen attached to my door and when I found out I spent a week with my parents wishing I never knew about police brutality in the US because it was everything I talked about and I read the shit out of what I could find on the subject, OBVIOUSLY I don’t know anything in person and I don’t know how it feels personally but I’d never go around and say it doesn’t exist and guess why have you ever seen me saying black people don’t have a right to protest it? XD) and I try to stay in my lane in that sense and about things I’m not 100% sure I have an opinion about [as the hair thing] but like... I mean... I don’t leave in a bubble? I mean idg where you get the impression I don’t talk to black people or I don’t read interviews with black people or I don’t give a fuck about their point of view? I inform myself before talking xDD also I follow an american black youtuber who lives in italy who has made multiple videos talking about difference between how you live as a black person in the US and in Italy and who gave me a bunch of stuff to think about but who also basically says what *everyone* italian on tumblr says when it comes to how it works in this country if you’re black *shrug* I mean obv that doesn’t mean I know more african americans than average but like idg where you assume I don’t listen to the other side of the barricade or that I only talk to white people. because I don’t. XD
tldr: I talk to plenty black non-American people and I do occasionally speak to black American people yes and I try to keep myself open minded on a general basis and I’ll listen to anyone if they want to talk and explain things to me if I can’t understand it. like I enjoy listening to different point of views, that’s how you learn things..? but... yeah. uhm. to answer you: yes I actually do talk to non-white people. on a daily basis. XD
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i am 17 and i have a fiat bravo 1.4 2008. i hear that insurance at my age is very high and some made option of being named as a second driver. my problem is i live with my mom and can it be possible if she named me as a second driver though she doesn't have no licence. if not how can i get another option of getting cheap insurance.
What do you know about car insurance / car-totaled?
What is the law? You have a car; it is rated @ $3,800.00 book value. Another driver hits you in the rear at a Pa. borough crosswalk as you are traveling through and have stopped for a person crossing the street. You are nearly pushed into the pedestrian, but thankfully you were able to stop your car in time. The other driver is in the wrong of course; but how much does the offending driver's insurance company need to pay to fix your car? I'm having a problem - my estimate is $3,277.00. I am told to look for the car to be totaled and 80% of the book value is what the insurance company is required to pay. Does anyone know is this is true? This car is a 1999 but only has 58,000 miles on it and is in mint condition. I have owned it for 4 years and during that time have not put a penny in it for parts & repairs. To get another, I would take a great chance on getting one which is not nearly such good quality. I'm wondering if the insurance company has a maximum that they will pay for repairing - if so maybe I could add a little to it so I can keep this car? Didn't appreciate it so much until after the accident!!!!""
What is a cheap car insurance company in Arizona?
I'm looking to find a cheap insurance company to insure my car in Arizona. I was paying 116 a month for it at the general and I was wondering if anyone knew of a cheaper place.
When does car insurance go up in relation to an accident?
I was backing out of a parking space, and the car that was parked next to me was closer to me than I thought, and I scraped the side of their car as I backed out. I left my information, and filed a claim with the insurance. My car was fine, hers was scratched pretty significantly. Anyway, I'm wondering how car insurance works in terms of covering things like this & in terms of increasing rates after an accident . Do the rates go up regardless? Do they go up a lot? Or does it depend on the severity of the incident? FYI I have never had any moving vehicle accidents or tickets. Any help would be appreciated...I'm kind of in the dark!""
Can i get insurance if i got 3points on my licence?
basicaly i got done for having a pasenger on back of my ped when i had a provisional so i now have 3 points on my licence, when i get my licence and get a motorbike or car will i still be able to get insurance or not? nand will it cost alot more.""
Looking for cheap full coverage?
Is there any cheap insurance in Michigan
What is the most popular insurance in troy missouri?
What is the most popular insurance in troy missouri? Is there a service/website to where i can find this info and info like that? What kind of insurance is mostly used in certain areas?
Can I purchase two insurance policies for one vehicle?
Just wondered if anyone knew if it was possible to have 2 car insurance policies on one car? The situation is this: I share an insurance policy with my mom and its under her name. We have recently renewed our policy for a year and are getting a good rate. However, last week I have gotten a DUI and most likely will have my license suspended. In order to reinstate it I will have to file an SR22 form with an insurance company. I heard that one way to keep your current policy (if the current preferred company does not find out about your DUI violation- which they wouldnt for another year), is to buy minimum liability with one of our companies with an SR22 filing. This way DMV is satisfied because you have made your filing - and since your current company has not found out about your drunk driving offense - you are able to keep your current policy. I need to know asap if this is possible so would really appreciate any replies! Thanks""
Does an unattended parked vehicle that was hit affect insurance rates when claimed?
I came to my parked car this evening and discovered it was hit from the back bumper up along the side half way through the back seat door. It is dented and scraped pretty badly. If I claim this with my insurance will it affect my rates being that I wasn't there?
An affordable dentist in Houston?
I need an appt. for an exam and maybe a couple of cavities that can be done before December. anyone know any affordable dentists that can do that in the month of November without insurance?
Around how much would classic car insurance be for a 1985 chevy silverado 350 V8?
Around how much would classic car insurance be for a 1985 chevy silverado 350 V8?
Auto Insurance Penalities In Ky?
If you were without a car and insurance for a period of time, (2 years ) how can you get penalities for not having auto insurance. How do you insure something you don't have?""
How to get low mileage discount from Progressive auto insurance?
I know that many companies will give a huge discount on your automotive insurance premiums if you supply them with proof that you drive far fewer miles than average. I understand that the best way to do this would be to mail a copy of recent vehicle inspections so that they can officially see the low mileage driven over time. However, Progressive does not mention anything, anywhere about low mileage discounts. I have been told you have to ask for this, or else you would never know it is possible. Does anyone have any knowledge, advice, tips, etc regarding this? Furthermore, does anyone know how you would go about this specifically with Progressive?""
How much would it cost to get added to someones insurance policy...?
I need to prove that I have insurance to get my license reinstated. My grandma said I can use her car, but I'm not covered. She has liability insurance for her car. How much would it cost me (18 year old male, inexperienced driver) to get added to her policy. It is a small, older 4 door car. Any idea about how much it would be extra a month for me to be added? Also, would she be able to take me off of the policy whenever she wanted without any kind of fee (like if I tried to get taken off in a month, would they say that she has to pay for 6 months...). Thanks!""
My car insurance is renewing March 25th If i switch insurance companies March 1st?
Am i responsible for the whole amount of my insurance payment or am i responsible for being covered Feb 25 thru March 1st??
Whats the average price of car insurance in manitoba?
thinking about moving, and would like to research and compare""
Violations that show up on insurance quotes in nj?
About 2 years ago i got a ticket for not stopping at a stop sign. I went to court and they knocked it down to something so i wouldn't get any point and just pay a fine. I don't remember what they knocked it down to. But why is it still a concern on my auto insurance. I didn't get any points so should it matter?
Which is better hmo or ppo insurance?
Which is better hmo or ppo insurance?
Baby insurance?
Okay so my fiance and I aren't married yet. I am on my moms insurance until I am 19 and they wont cover the baby. He has his own insurance through WI called Hirsps. I can't change my license yet because my moms insurance will drop me and we dont want that to happen because it will be hard to get insurance to cover hospital bills. How do we get the baby insurance? Can we put the baby on his insurance?
florida insurance 440 license
florida insurance 440 license
Does anyone know cheap car insurance for ladies?
Does anyone know cheap car insurance for ladies?
California Insurance with Arizona license?
If i change my California drivers license to an Arizona one, do i have to tell my insurance company? If i do will this affect my policy in any way? thanks!""
How do I rent a car? without any insurance (i have no car)?
So I want to rent a Dodge Magnum, for about 9 days in May through Thrifty.I will be driving from Missouri to Orlando for a vacation. I assume that I will pay the fee for the loss damage waiver (about $11 p/d) Or maybe my credit card might just cover that. But why do they keep refering to my insurance?... I don't even own a car! Else why do they think I am renting? Anyway what advice would you nice people give a dumb person like me as to what I need to do or what other insurance I need to purchase, thanks.""
Cheapest Auto Insurance Humanly Possible?
I am a college student living on campus and want to have a car but will not be driving it much at all. I am just looking for the most basic and least expensive auto insurance I can find. I am 19 with no tickets or accidents yada yada yada. Where can I find some cheap coverage?
Where is the best place to find medical insurance?
I am taking a job where I will basically be self employed so I will need to find my own medical insurance. Where do you suggest I go to look into this?
0bama: You can keep your health plan. Why will MILLIONS of Americans lose their health insurance?
. If you like your health plan, you will be able to keep your health plan. ~ Borat 0bama President 0bama repeatedly assured Americans that after the Affordable Care Act became law, people who liked their health insurance would be able to keep it. But millions of Americans are getting or are about to get cancellation letters for their health insurance under 0bamacare, say experts, and the 0bama administration has known that for at least three years. 0bama administration knew millions could not keep their health insurance http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/29/21222195-obama-administration-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance""
Backtack on medical insurance for newborn?
Is it Normal for my job to backtrak and charge me premiums for my newborn if I didn't enroll her until about a month after she was born? She was on my wifes insurance up until I enrolled her but they took a lot out of one check. Spoke with the head of finance dept and tells me they still backtrack from when she's born even though she was on my wifes insurance
Im going to buy a car and insure it under my parents name..is a camaro a cheap car to insure?
what are some cars that are cheap on insurance
Opinions on insurance plans please?
I would appreciate any opinions on health insurance. Blue Cross /Blue shield as compared to an HMO plan for example. The positive and negative of each. Thanks!!!
""Insurance- Cabin, not sure which insurance?""
We live ouside of Canada, but own property with a cabin on it. My dad and aunt own it. According to the insurance if one of the owners (ppl on the insurance) are not on the property (say, 500 miles away) if something happens (like someone falls breaks there leg) to someone we take there, we are not covered and could sue us. If my dad put me on the insurance would our aunt have the right to sell the property without us having any say? He thinks that if I am put on the insurance I will be on his half and my aunt will still have her half therefore giving her more power. Is there any way around this insurance and suing thing if I want to go up there with some friends without them?""
How much is an average ttuck insurance quote? ?
I'm planing on geting a 1999 Chevy silverado 1500 and I'm wondering how much insurance is
Can someone have life insurance on me without my consent?
My inlaws are crazy. No not like wacky like mean, vindictive, you wouldn't believe it crazy. My husband purchased a sport car about 4 years ago, evidentially my inlaws started a life insurance / disability policy on him. The bill for some reason gets mailed to us, but they pay it. When asked about it they said they got it incase my husband killed himself in his car. Can you take out a policy on an adult, over 18 years of age, without consent? What is this Disability income on the bill that is separate from the Level Term life??? They are not in poor financial shape, his father is a doctor and they have an oceanfront home. I have everything situated for our family's burial arrangements. Thoughts??""
Does cheap health insurance exist?
I relocated because my wife found a better job but problem is I don't have insurance now my current job doesn't offer it and I can't jump on hers for like a year. Is there such a thing as affordable insurance as in under $150 a month for basic doctor visit co-pays and rx?
Can I cancel my auto insurance?
I go through American Family and they are killin me. I recently bought a car from a dealership, which of course I had to get full coverage. My rate is now ridiculous and I have found a WAY better rate with a different company so my question is, can I just cancel my insurance? They sent me a bill for $434. I paid half of it today, do I need to pay the other half before I cancel? (Its just hard for me to make two $200 dollar payments for one bill) I will have to renew my policy in October, and I don't want to do that. I just don't want to hurt my credit or receive cancellation fees, so whats the best way to do this?""
Whats the cheapest auto insurance plan?
I hate insurance. I have no reason so far to need it. I'm a safe driver and i do not want my money to be drained into some company, which in time, will get more money from me than they spend to fix whatever may happen to my car. I don't want a flashy car. I only need a cheap one. So i could care less about dents and stuff. What is literally the cheapest auto insurance plan i can get in California? cheapest dollar for dollar.""
""I'm about to turn sixteen, how much can i expect to pay for car insurance?""
I have no criminal background, my employer and teachers can give me really good recomenndations, i don't know if anyof that matters though.""
How high does insurance go up for a speeding ticket in MN?
I recently got a speeding ticket going 60 on a 45. How high does my insurance go up I'm 16 and drive a '05 300C
Do I have to sell my car to the insurance company at their suggestion?
I've been paying for fully comprehensive insurance for my car for 8 months, 3 month ago my car crashed and the insurance company has evaluated the cost of repairing is more than the market price of my car. Now the insurance company is going to buy my car at the market value, my question is: Do I have to sell my car to the company? Or does it make sense if I ask for repairing etc?""
""What insurance company is the best to work for,as an agent?""
Which insurance company is the best to work for as an agent?..Allstate,American Family,Statefarm,Nationwide...etc""
17 year old insurance?
I am 17 years old i've had my license for 5 months without an accident, what would the average cost be for low coverage auto insurance for a 88 chevy v8 4x4 truck on an adults insurance? Im just looking for a close estimate.""
Is lowering ur car high for insurance?
So I'm in a situation with my dad in buying a car which is my first car. It's an 96 integra. First ima start off saying I'm interested in import cars just the way it looks. And I find this car on Craigslist that's already been lowered. I'm Tryna convince him about it. But he thinks its gunna be high insurance. Can someone tell me what he's worried about? He thinks I like low cars so I could hug turns but I just like the style. Someone help me!!!!
How much does car insurance cost for teenagers?
how much would it cost to get car insurance. and dont you dare go telling me to go get a quote, i'll kick you in the nuts.""
How do insurance companies insure replica cars?
i am looking to buy a replica lamborghini because i don't have an extra 200,000 dollars layin around. but i know that insurance is a ***** if you own a lambo. The one i am looking at has a bmw V12 engine. so would it be considered a bmw or...?""
Who's the best company for young car insurance?
I know the kind of car to get for cheap insurance but i'm still looking at around 3000 for insurance, i was just wondering if there is any companies out there people my age can actually afford.""
Why is auto insurance through Geico so cheap?
Why is auto insurance through Geico so cheap?
florida insurance 440 license
florida insurance 440 license
How much will health insurance cost me?
I am an American citizen, 23 years old with a college degree. I never lived in the US but I am moving there now and I never had any health problems. How much will health insurance cost me a month?""
Car Insurance cancellation?
I just got married last week, and my wife and I are combining our car insurances. We've decided to go with hers and I was wondering how I would go about cancelling my insurance??""
What does depreciation cost mean when it comes to home insurance?
filed a claim to replace my floors.getting a check in 5-7 business days.it says i have 180 days to replace the floors,to cover depriciation cost.what does that mean exactly?""
Geico vs. Progressive?
I currently have Progressive and am very happy with their service and the rates had been pretty reasonable, however they went up considerably because my husband hit a deer. I was thinking about getting a quote from Geico to see if I could get a better rate. Anyone have experience with Geico? Are they as good as Progressive?""
Do i need birth certificate to buy car insurance?
Do i need birth certificate to buy car insurance?
Uk Motorcycle insurance question?
I'm currently doing my CBT and the going to do my A2 licence, which would permit me to ride a 400cc bike, so i'm planning on getting a 600cc bike and restricting it. Would that lower the insurance if i were to mention it has been resticted, i looked it up and for an 18 yr old i got a quote for a 600cc bike for about 1,300. would that be lower if i said it was restricted??""
How much would a job delivering pizzas affect my car insurance premiums?
I drive a 1997 Geo Metro. I have no accidents or moving violations on my record. I have been driving since August 2005. I am 25 years old. My October bill was $91.17.
""Dont know how much car insurance will be, i will be a beginner driver?""
I am going to be driving in a year or two and i have been looking at Jeep Rubicons 4x4, 4 door im not sure how much insurace will be.""
If a 20 year old doesn't have insurance on his car and get's into a car accident is the state of Illinois.?
If a 20 year old doesn't have insurance on his car and get's into a car accident is the state of Illinois, what legally happens? I got into a car wreck in my uninsured vehicle, now I went out and got insurance, and have a court date set up. What legally should happen here? Loss of license? Obviously a fine.. Just give me the facts on this one.""
""I'm looking for orthodontic insurance in california?? Can't find any, any suggestions??""
ok, i want to get invisalign, but can't find any insurance in california for it, can you please help me find one??""
About how much does insurance cost for BudgetTruck Rental?
Can someone give me a ballpark on how much insurance would cost for Plan 2  Supplemental Liability Insurance (SLI) on budgettruck.com I need a 16' moving truck in a Columbus, Ohio suburb up to Toledo area""
Question for someone who is familiar with car insurance companies?
I had a wreck and I have full coverage with car rental included for 30 days (20 dollars a day) if I don't use the car rental, do I get a check for the amount that I didn't use...I have Allstate...my daughter had a wreck a year ago and she received a separate check for the total of the car rental expense she didn't use, but that was with farmer's insurance...If I'm paying for collision and car rental on my premium and the insurance doesn't pay the car rental place, shouldn't they pay me?""
Car Insurance Am I covered? The car has it but im not on the insurance!?
I had a wreck saturday, im not on the insurance but the car has insurance.. I was just barrowing the car.. Would it still be covered and be able to get fixed?""
I need cheap auto insurance below $150?
I'm 18 just got my drivers license got a honda civic lx 2010 and i need auto insurance i have a suckish job and i'm currently not in college but i will be attending after this next semester. i'm just looking for auto insurance, why is it so complicated?""
With 5000 what is the best car I could buy and insure at 17?
the car would be second hand.
How much would it cost for insurance for a 18 year old with a 2001 toyota celica? Monthly and yearly?
In Canada not US
I have a WA state license and got a speeding ticket in NY state -- will my insurance rates go up?
The officer who issued the ticket in NY said that it was a 3 point violation (14 mph over the speed limit). But WA state does not have a points system. Will my insurance premiums go up? I have a bare bones Geico policy.
Can't find No fault insurance?
I am looking online and I can't find any site that will give me a quote on no fault auto insurance. Everyone I go to is full coverage and I don't want that. I would say I'm pretty good at finding things online but yahoo or google searches are not giving me the sites I want. Please don't be like this one guy and give me an answer that an computer operator would give me. --- answered by carbuyboy . In order to get no-fault insurance, your state has to be a no-fault state. Only a few are. Since you can't find no-fault, it looks like you don't live in one of the few no-fault states. This does not answer my question at all not even 1% of it.""
""I'm under 25 and paying $50 dollars for car insurance, for a parked car.?
Am I paying too much in coloado? Should I try to find cheaper insurance?
My medicaid that i used for my pregnancy had expired...? here in texas?
back in august of 2011 & i no longer have insurance. what do i do now? i called my health plan & they said i gotta apply again but i don't know where i can get the application. i really need insurance cause i got upcoming appointments for me & if i don't have insurance, i'm not gonna be able to afford the expenses. anyone know where i can get the application for medicaid here in texas?""
Why is my car insurance so high?
About me; I'm 18 years old, no past convictions / points on my license. Passed my test as well as Pass Plus a week or so back. Car I've got; 1994 1.2 Corsa LS (5 door) --- Most of my friends have similarly old / small cars and are paying between 500 - 900 insurance. I'm keeping the car on my drive, and yet the cheapest I can find any insurance is with Direct Line (1,600) Why is my insurance nearly 3 times as expensive as theirs? :(""
HOW CAN I GET CHEAP YOUNG CAR INSURANCE ?
Hi, please anyone know how or where can I get cheap young car insurance? I am 19 years old, I got pass plus certificate already, at the moment my quote it's 2300 per year I am looking for less and that thank you.""
Average cost of insurance?
what would be the average cost of insurance for a 16 year old male in georgia with an 09 mustang? with a honda accord? with a dodge ram? i guess really with a safe new sports car (cause the new mustangs are 5 star in all but one thing where they hav a 4 star in safety), with a new sedan, and with a new truck? thanks. and also how much might taking extra classes help lower the insurance? i mean defensive driving classes. and would being an eagle scout help any? i really don't know so im just thinking of things that might help. thanks""
Car insurance help?!?!?
Im 16 I own a 1991 Mercedes Benz 300se. About 180,000 miles how much would insurance be for me monthly/annually?""
Breakdown Insurance less than 12 months?
Hi, does anyone know if it's possible to get car breakdown cover for less than 12 months? All i ever see on advertisements and online is quotes for 12 months cover but i am planning on leaving the UK for a bit after 6 months so that's all i require. Before i contact insurance companies can someone tell me if this is normal or an irregular request? Cheers!""
florida insurance 440 license
florida insurance 440 license
What is individual and family health insurance?
I am planning to have family health insurance in these days but I want to understand the basic difference between individual and family health insurance.
How can I get auto insurance for a car not in my name?
I have the opportunity to take over payments on a car. Since the title is not in my name, how can I get auto insurance for this car until the title is transferred into my name? I'd heard there is a form that the owner can sign that verifies that I will be the only one driving this vehicle. Any suggestions would be helpful.""
Can an insurance co suspend your liscense ?
the insurance co is threatening that a suspension is in progress if a payment is not made. payments have been made for the past 3 years but now they want the remaining 2000, and said they can suspend the liscense. Is this true? in the state of CA""
I will be 16 soon and I was looking at getting an 01-03 BMW M3. Any ideas on how much insurance would cost?
I live in Florida and I'm a new driver, also this will be my first car (if that helps with info about the insurance)""
Car Insurance in a different state?
Hello and thanks for all the answers! I have my car insurance in nyc on my name, I am 22 and its 3200 per year. I have been told that I can somehow have it in another state even though I dont live there. Do I need to open a mailbox there or how does it work? What will hapen if I get a traffic ticket here? Thanks!""
Whats a good life insurance plan?
I'm want to apply for life insurance for me and my husband but, what is a good life insurance plan? and where do I apply? I know gerber is good for kids do they have gerber life insurance for adults?""
What would the insurance quote be for a 2011 Honda Civic 4-door Sedan?
Im doing a car project for school and we need to price cars and get insurance quotes and I am having trouble finding an insurance quote becasue mst of the websites want to mail the quote to your house which i dont have time to wait 4 cuz the project is due thrusday, or thye assume ur buying the car. So can anyone tell me what a reasonably quote wud b for this particular car or waht websites i can use that wud give me free, instant quotes. Thanks By the way for the project we only have to estimate insurance for the first year and im 18yrs old so what wud the quote be based on this as well.""
What is an average estimate for insurance on a 1991 convertible for a 19 year old male?
The car is not red and i'm talking just liability.
Insurance on SUVs?
How much is insurance on SUVs usually... like a Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo or a Chevrolet.. anyone know?
Temporary Car insurance for 17 year old?
I've just bought a car, it's only a 6-7 minute drive away but I've been assured I don't want to be caught without insurance when picking it up and driving it home. I've had a look and all day or month insurers only insure 21+. I'm pretty stuck, as I obviously have to do get it home and I don't have the kind of money to insure it for any decent length of time Any sites you know of that could sort me out? Cheers.""
Someone explain car insurance to me!?
Basically im helping my boyfriend look for cheap car insurance...The cheapest we found is on the co-op website BUT, having a little issue with costs and things. Basically it gives me a deposit amount of 500 then it gives me a monthly instalment of 250 and then it says how much in total it is. By the total though it says that there is interest of my credit charge of 200, what does this mean? that its been put in with the total amount/deposit or do i have to pay extra for it? if i do have to pay extra for it do i have to pay that monthly or all in one? SO CONFUSED!""
Insurance on car?
My dad said insurance on the car I want will be $700 a month.(I'm 18 and its for full coverage) Is that the price I pay if the car is insured under my name? I know if my dad insured the car under his name the price for insurance would drastically drop. My question is would I still be able to drive the car if its insured under my dads name and still be part of the whole insurance thing. You guys, the reason I sold my old car is becouse I wanted this newer car I've wited 3 months so far and I'm planning to pay for the car myself. But insurance is going to kill me. If you can also tell me about some good insurance companies out there that are cheap(we have something century rite now). When I heared how much it would cost I almost cried.""
Will my car insurance go down?
I've wrecked about 2 cars. and my insurance got high I would like to know if I stopped driving would my insurance go down over time?( I am currently driving a motorcycle)
Is There Any One-Day Car Insurance?
I have a car that is unplated and I don't drive it for more than one year but I am going for my G license test which can be done in one day. So, I wonder if there is any car insurance for one day in Ontario Canada?""
How much is your car insurance per year?
what company? what are the pros and cons?
Does $152 per month for my car insurance sounds right?
Okay, so here's the thing. I'm 18 years old (I know, it greatly affects my age group that I'm in) and my car insurance is $152 a month. But, I'm only on liability? I have to pay over $150 a month just for liability on my car insurance? I live in Wisconsin by the way too. It just all doesn't quite make sense to me..my mom quoted me another price but the other price was pushing $200 a month. I'm just really sickened by all of this. Please let me know what you think! Thanks!""
Any 1 know a cheap insurance company??
im 17 and a provisional driver.i have jus bought a car because my test is soon. i want to insure my car as a learner and then change it to full license when i pass my test. is any 1 with a cheap insurance company?
Why do we NEED car insurance?!?
Why is it the LAW that we have car insurance?? I honestly think it's stupid. Shouldn't we, as free Americans, be able to make the choice of whether or not we want insurance, and still legally drive a vehicle, as long as we have a license, at our own risk? Kind of like if you go skiing or snowboarding, you go at your own risk, you're not forced to get skiing insurance , or boarding insurance , or anything like that. I mean, think of this situation: I have no insurance, and I wreck into somebody. They have insurance, so they are covered. I don't, so I will either have to get rid of my car, or pay for repairs myself; that's the risk I took and this is how I'm paying for it, by being car less or spending tons of money on repairs. But why must we be forced by law to have it, or NO DRIVING FOR YOU says big ole' government?? This is angering me because I'm currently in college, without a car, and while I can walk to my work and school, it's still about 30-45 minutes each way to walk, and if I could get an old car for cheap, it would make my life MUCH easier and less of a hassle.""
Can I be on someone's auto insurance policy if I don't live with them?
I'm 16 and I would have my first car if it wasn't for insurance. I got some quotes and the cheapest one was like 316 a month. Is there any way I can be on my grandparents' policy if they live 60 miles away? I go up there almost every weekend. Also would it be cheaper if I was on their policy versus me having my own? Thanks in advance.
If i bought a cheap non running car on craigslist do i need to get insurance on it?
if i bought like a $600 car on craigslist that is not running, And would like to work on it to make it run. Do i have to get insurance on it, or any kind of monthly fee, while i work on it to restore it.""
When is an insurance company going to come along who cares about careful drivers?
my car insurance quote has just arrived, the price has gone up by 80 from last year the year before it went up 20. I suppose it was the all the snow we had which caused extra claims. but I have never made a claim in the last 15 years and that was when someone ran into me. why should we keep having to pay for these mindless idiots who cause these increases, why cannot insurance companies talk to each other and triple or quadruple persistent offenders untill they have gone without a claim for 3 years instead of keep hiking up the insurance of careful drivers. well this is the last straw for me.I am selling my car, a stripey punto 2 years old with 4,000 miles on the clock. what should I get for it.""
What are the pros and cons of purchasing a car and leasing a car. Also how to purchase insurance.?
what are the pros and consof purchasing a car and leasing a car. And how do you purchase insurance?
""When the term is up on term life insurance, what happens to the money you paid? do you get it back?
im in my early twenties and im looking for life insurance outside of my job. i want to know if you sign up for term life insurance and the term is up what happens with the money you've paid? or is it just better to sign up for whole life insurance?
What is the best life insurance to get for my parents?
I keep getting the gut feeling that I need to get life insurance for my parents. Is that possible? If so, which company is the best?""
What insurance do you recommend for a part-time photographer?
I am a part-time photographer who mostly does family portraits and children. However, I've shot one wedding this past summer, and have another planned for June. I have a couple who recently contacted me for engagement photos and they want to do them at a nearby museum (outdoors) a week from today. The museum may want insurance info, and I don't have any to provide them with. My gear: I own a Canon 5D Mark II (primary) with an L lens, as well as two Nikon cameras (5100 and d60- backup cameras). What kind of insurance do you recommend that is affordable for my part-time photography business income? I realize I may not be able to get insurance in time for this engaged couple, but would like to have it for the upcoming wedding.""
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Auto Insurance for 18 Years Old.. HELP?
Who has the cheapest motorcycle insurance?<br/>This is going to sound crazy but try to stay with me here. Im 17 about to be 18 and I live in Michigan. Im going to be going to college in Lima, Ohio and will be driving back to michigan every couple of weeks. I have a truck that sucks gas so I am going to buy a bike. Either an 98-05 Yamaha YZF R6 or R1 I havent decided yet. I was wondering who has the cheapest insurance for what Im doing with the bike. Basically driving it long distance and to class every so often. It will be stored in my apartment down there whenever Im not driving it. Can anyone help me out. I know Im a little young for any kind of cheap insurance but maybe there is a company out there that gives breaks to college students? 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He doesnt even have medical for our children or himself.<br/><br/>How to make insurance cheeper?<br/>what are the things i can do to make   my car insurance cheaper?    i have good grades   my car is 97    color gold<br/><br/>Do I need to get new auto insurance?<br/>If I ve prepaid my auto insurance policy for 6 months, and then move to a state that that company doesn t service, will my policy still be in effect, or will I need to go with a different carrier? <br/><br/>Best insurance for a yorkie ???<br/>Sorry its ASPCA, not Aspec . <br/><br/>Car insurance question..wasn t my fault.?<br/> yes i have all her information...and the police came when it happened. i talked to my insurance company the same day it happened...she was begging me not to call her insurance company b/c her insurance will go up...it took her 2weeks to decide to use her insurance. yes i was being dumb. then i called her insurance company last week and they are still working on it.<br/><br/>The minimum amount your auto insurance must cover per accident is?<br/>The minimum amount your auto insurance must cover per accident is in california??   A. $15,000; 30,000; 5,000    B. $10,000; $25,000; $5,000    C. $20,000; $25,000; $15,000    D. $5,000; $15,000; $10,000 <br/><br/>Car Insurance Renewal?<br/> Dear Mates         I have been driving for a year,The car that I have got is Micra 1 litre.   Just received a letter from my current Insurance Provider.  Letter says that my car insurance is 1807 for this year, if I pays Monthly.  Which is about 300 more than last year.  Even this year, I have got 1 year No Claim Bonus.   What you guys think, is that OK or is it too much on this car?   How much do you pays at the moment?    Many Thanks <br/><br/> Health insurance out of pocket payment doubling, why? <br/> (Please read all of it to fully understand)  I could never wrap my head around this out of pocket payment issue that I have been having. I had two appointments...one in february and one in october of last year. I was told by the lady at the desk that I would have to pay 32 dollars (in october) for that appointment.  I have a $5000 deductible and only met $700 of it.  I was told that I only had to pay 32 dollars. In february, my out of pocket payment went down to $30...and that s all that I have paid because I was told that insurance covered the rest.  Well two days ago I was mailed a letter from the office saying that I owed $60.  30 extra dollars for October s visit and another 30 for february s visit.     I called the office and asked them why they were charging me $60 extra dollars.  According to them, I was supposed to pay $60 dollars the entire time, but the office only charged me $30. I have been going to this office for the past year or two and they are JUST beginning to charge me $60. Plus, they re tacking on another $60 dollars for this weeks appointment, which I thought I would be paying $30 for. I asked them, why they are JUST beginning to charge me $60 dollars and not tell me about it when I first started. I have to pay off the 60 dollars for the past two appointments and also pay something towards this weeks appointment.  The nurse or whatever simply said, I don t know...some of us don t know how to look into the insurance system.   Is this even right?   <br/><br/>Who has the cheapest motorcycle insurance?<br/>This is going to sound crazy but try to stay with me here. Im 17 about to be 18 and I live in Michigan. Im going to be going to college in Lima, Ohio and will be driving back to michigan every couple of weeks. I have a truck that sucks gas so I am going to buy a bike. Either an 98-05 Yamaha YZF R6 or R1 I havent decided yet. I was wondering who has the cheapest insurance for what Im doing with the bike. Basically driving it long distance and to class every so often. It will be stored in my apartment down there whenever Im not driving it. Can anyone help me out. I know Im a little young for any kind of cheap insurance but maybe there is a company out there that gives breaks to college students? Well anyway the main question is : From your experiences which company has the cheapest motorcycle insurance?<br/><br/> https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/car-finance-insurance-phyllis-clayton
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plussixtytwo · 7 years ago
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Colombian Pueblos You Should Visit
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Some people love mountain and some love the beach. I love them both but I also love a unique colonial architecture, places like Colombian pueblos. People say, once is enough to visit a Pueblo. But I don’t agree. There is always something about Colombian Pueblo that I really like, from its abandoned old buildings to the old man that would give you a free walking tour full in Spanish.
Each pueblo gives me different stories to tell. I was once in a pueblo where a woman approached me and suddenly pulled the corner of her eyes mimicking how Asian eyes. FYI, I don’t even look oriental. She later asked me whether I am a Chinese or not (no offense was intended). I once also met a Colombian guy that thought I was from the coast part of Colombia.
The point is that I enjoy Colombian Pueblo, and among all of those pueblos, here are some that I’d recommend you to visit.
Barichara
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Barichara’s main Cathedral
Barichara appears to me like the set from Nickelodeon’s animated series “Avatar: The Legend of Aang”. Most part of the pueblo is constructed with cobblestone while most of the buildings are washed in white. The main cathedral is beautiful and the architecture inside literally blow me away. No doubt that Barichara is one of Colombia’s most beautiful Pueblos. I’d also recommend you to eat big-butted ants which seems to be very famous delicacy, or you could just have ice cream from a shop that located right in the corner of the Plaza, they sell delicious ice cream.
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The main Plaza in Barichara
Barichara is located in the southern part of Santander and is easy to reach from Bucaramanga’s bus terminal. The journey would take three to five hours bus ride and you’ll be treated with beautiful views.
Jardin
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Jardin’s colorful plaza
One thing that I really like about traveling to South America is that the people know how to play with colors. Most of their buildings are colored with contrasting bright colors, including Jardin. The pueblo is decorated with painted chairs and roses on its cobblestone plaza. Jardin is a colonial pueblo and I heard that it’s preserving its colonial architecture for the last 140 years. Since it’s surrounded with hills, Jardin has a cable car as one of their transportations. 
To get to Jardin, you can get a bus from Medellin’s Southern bus station (Terminal del Sur) and it will take you directly to Jardin. If you happen to be in Manizales, you can get a bus from the bus terminal to La Pintada and purchase another ticket from La Pintada to Jardin. Make sure to always ask and check the schedule of the bus.
Mompos
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La Iglesia de Santa Barbara
There’re two things Colombian would say about Mompos, first is that the pueblo is very beautiful and second is that it’s hard to reach because it’s located next to the Magdalena river in Bolivar Department. If you have any interest in enjoying a cup of coffee surrounded by the authentic colonial architecture with less crowd, Mompos would always be a better option. It offers you a quite atmosphere and unique fusion of Indian and Spanish architecture which could be seen from La Iglesia de Santa Barbara, a church located on the main plaza. Since its location is next to the Magdalena river, it is surrounded by albarradas, a cobblestone wall that could prevent flood.
It’s quite a struggle to get to Mompos because not many buses are running to the Pueblo. The best and easiest way is to go from Cartagena and just ask some people around. Although I found one bus service that will take you to Mompos from San Gil.
Guatape
I have written an article about my trip to Guatape and you can read it here.
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A very colorful building in Guatape
Guatape is another colorful pueblo that I fall in love with and is actually the very first Pueblo I visit. There is a big church located at the main plaza and some mototaxis (like tuktuk in Thailand or Bajaj in India/ Indonesia) to take you around. It’s one of the most touristic places in Colombia, so you can expect some various activities to do. Guatape is also known with La piedra del Peñol, a huge rock that you can climb to see the whole pueblo and the lakes surrounding.
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The view from the top of La piedra del Peñol
Guatape is situated in Antioquia department and is very easy to reach from Medellin’s bus terminal. The ticket costs around 13.000 COP for a two hours bus ride from Terminal Del Norte de Medellin to Guatape and the bus leaves every hour.
Salento
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The crowd in Salento
Among all the Pueblos in Colombia, I think Salento receives the biggest number of tourists every year. It is known for its authentic Colombian coffee, verdant scenery and the famous Valle de Cocora where you can see the sweeping views of the Colombia’s National trees, the wax palms. The trees are super tall and are very impressive to watch. There is a small hummingbird sanctuary called Aicame Natural Reserve for those who enjoy bird-watching.
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The tallest wax palm trees in the world in Valle de Cocora
There are many bus companies from Pereira and Armenia that offer you a ride to Salento. It shouldn’t be a problem on how to get to the Pueblo since it’s very easy to reach, even if you don’t speak fluent Spanish.
Filandia
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Filandia main plaza
At a glance, Filandia looks like Salento but it just receives less people. It is well known for its basket weaving and has lots of different types for sale all over the pueblo. I had a great time in Filandia with my friend Stephanie. We went to Helena Adentro, a restaurant that served Colombian local dishes with a twist, then decided to take a walk out of the town to Ecoparque Mirador Colina and Finca El Mirador.
Filandia is very close to its more famous counterpart Salento. An hourly bus departs from Pereira for COP 5000. It’s actually one of my favorite pueblos and is perfect for a weekend getaway.
You can also read more details on my trip to Filandia here
Villa de Leyva
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Donkey in Villa de Leyva
Villa de Leyva is a colonial pueblo several hours north of Bogota. The cobblestone pueblo successfully escaped the modernization pressures since it was not located on the main shipping routes. As the result, there is still more foot traffic than cars and is also possible to see a bridled donkey on the street. I like that most part of the pueblo was painted white and were beautifully preserved. It has a massive main plaza, which possibly the largest cobblestone plaza in Colombia.
You can start your journey from Terminal de Transporte de Bogota and just take a bus to Villa de Leyva from the terminal. The journey would take around two to five hours depends on the situation and it costs around COP 25.000.
Salamina
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Streets that look like they just drop off into the blue sky and valley below in Salamina
Among all the pueblos in Caldas department, I think Salamina is the most charming. The Pueblo doesn’t really receive any tourist and in fact I was told that I was the first Indonesia that ever visited the Pueblo, which I didn’t buy it since another Indonesian friend actually had visited the pueblo before. It is a good representative of Colombian everyday life especially those who live in working coffee region. There are streets that look like they just drop off into the blue sky and valley because the heart of the pueblo rests on top of a mountain.
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Salamina doesn’t have that much to offer, but I personally like it because I find it quite charming. You can start your trip to Salamina from Manizales bus terminal.
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mwheelerbooks · 8 years ago
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“I am not a Patriot”
By Stamson
The question/statement:
The New England Patriots, the greatest football dynasty to rule the earth (., ?, !)
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It’s January in the new millennium so the time has come for the annual fellating of the killer B’s in New England Brady and Belichick.
It’s January in the new millennium so the time has come for the annual fellating of the killer B’s in New England Brady and Belichick.
Disclaimer for the remainder of the article, if you haven’t figured it out just yet, yes I am a New England hater.
I respect the accomplishments of these two individuals as well as the remainder of the fill in/interchangeable players. They are a great team and deserve to be in the conversation of greatest ever but just feel they end up comparing less favorably to these teams. New England exist in an era with diminished teams due to increased parity and improved free agency that has led to an accentuation of a good team into the conversation of the overall greats. Brady plays in a system created by Belichick that takes advantage of stupid coaches who have not made adjustments and is a system that allows any QB who throws accurate 3–5 yards passes to excel. Brady has not thrown accurate “long balls” greater than 20 yards for years except to wide open receives with huge physical advantages over smaller safeties (ie Gronk); in opposition to an Aaron Rodgers or Joe Montana who have the skill and accuracy to throw the ball on a dime anywhere on the field. New England has taken advantage of rule changes better then most allowing an improved passing game. Brady has also had very cohesive offensive lines that have protected him well during his career and he has not dealt with much pass rush, however, when he has… he has performed poorly. I also believe the greatness of this team has a huge asterisks given the checkered pasts of Brady and Belichick which includes cheating allegations .
The sports media loves to crown dynasties and this one in particular is one of there favorites. Let’s try and compare an equal time line for another NFL dynasty, the 49ers from 1981–1998 vs NE 2001-Current. Including this season NE has gone to 7 super bowls compared with the 49ers 5. The 49ers however were undefeated on the biggest stage compared to 4 Patriot wins (including a win that needed an interception on the one yard line in the final seconds of the game to close it out). A closer look at what the teams have faced thou displays a huge difference in the level of competition. The Patriots have averaged an impressive 12.31 a year. However, the AFC east has been an incredibly weak division during this time. No team in the AFC east has won more than 11 games in a year during this run and in eight seasons no one else in the division won more than 9 games, basically giving New England a cake walk into the playoffs and a bye week. By comparison in all full seasons during the comparable 49ers run the team averaged 12.05 wins a year but the NFC west had 4 seasons with other teams in the division winning 12 games or more, compare that also to only five seasons where no one in the division won more than 9 games.
Looking beyond just the AFC east the AFC has won only 10 superbowls during New England’s run while the NFC won 15. The 49ers also had to contend with some of the truly great teams in NFL history, including the mid 1980s Bears and Redskins, as well as the mid 1990s Cowboys. New England has not had that type of competition. Will we really look back at the Peyton Manning Colts and think they are an all time great team or an unbalanced team with lots of wins, a great offense, and suspect defense?
Truly great teams also don’t just win, they dominate the competition.
The Patriots have lost 2 out of six super bowls, and there largest margin of victory in any superbowl has been 4 points! That isn’t a clutch team pulling out a win, that is an inferior team using intimate knowledge of a teams walk through, playbook, or signals to eek out a win on a team that may be better. The 49ers won 3 superbowls by greater than 21 points!
The only truly great Patriot team in my opinion was the 2007–18–1 team that could battle with the true NFL GOATs. Brady finally had a great wide receiver in Randy Moss and not just some small, fast possession receiver (Welker, Edelman, Amendola and now Hogan) for short passes and YAC. He took advantage of Moss’ skill and set a TD record, however Moss ended up putting up stats that were basically at his career baseline except for TDs (highest before 17 (1998 and 2003) vs 23), greatest QB ever gets the same out of Moss as Culpepper…
The next year Moss was not even offered a free agent contract! He eventually came back to NE for a few more good years (including 69 catches for 1,008 yards and 11 touchdowns when Brady had a torn ACL, FYI that is very comparable to when Brady plays-system?) Belichick called him the smartest receiver around, however he ended up not feeling wanted in NE and was shipped out week 4 in 2010.
New England and Belichick deserve a tremendous amount of credit, he has turned cast away players into winners, but when you have more HOF kickers on your dynasty then WRs or RBs you have to look a little deeper and see what is behind the curtains. It took years for defenses to figure out Bill Walsh’s west coast offense and this was back when defensive players could be physical. Belichick has taken advantage of rules to increase offense and improve player safety, at some point the other coaches in the NFL will catch up. The system is strong but it will fall flat against the skill and talent of prior NFL juggernauts. Numbers don’t lie New England, Brady, and Belichick are good but not great.
-Stamson
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viralhottopics · 8 years ago
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25 Men And Women Confess To The Darkest, Most Absurd Secrets Theyve Never Told Anyone Before
1.Identity Swapping Twins
“My grandfather had an identical twin brother. shall refer to grandfather as A and twin as B. Brother A got drafted into WWII, brother B didn’t so he pretended to be A to take A’s better job. Brother A returns from war and brother B’s still pretending to be him, even got promoted a few times. Brother A says, thats cool I’ll be brother C from now on (changed his name). This has gone on for over 50 years, never legally changed it or anything, just gave his identity to his bro and created a new one.”
2. Wasted…Too Wasted
“I once paid for a blowjob from a woman that was probably older than my grandmother. I was so wasted but I remembered everything. I quit drinking for a while after that.”
3. RIP Dennis
“Friend’s toilet doesn’t flush, I poop in trash can. Huge poop. Biggest poop I’ve ever taken. Friend’s family find massive poop in trash can and think that one of them threw out some dog poop, but due to the sheer size they figure that something is wrong with one of their dogs. A few weeks after taking their dogs to the vet, they find out their Yorkie has stomach cancer. Dog dies shortly after, incredibly large poop was seen as a result of the dogs cancer when in reality I pooped in their trash can. They still tell stories of the Yorkie’s poop that was about 3/4 it’s size.
RIP Dennis. You will be missed.”
4. No One Knows The Truth
“I was getting into a car once and somehow managed to slam my eye into the corner of the door.. got a giant black eye from it. Told everyone I got into a fight. No one but me knows the truth.”
5. Doing The Right Thing For Selfish Reasons
“When I was 15, I had my first girlfriend. She was the little sister of one of my very protective best friends, so right off the bat things were a bit sticky. She was a little off and after quite some time of prying she told me in confidence that when she was younger, her uncle abused her. She didn’t want to tell anyone because she figured it would destroy the family. Jump forward six months, and we break up over unrelated matters. The brother(my best friend) called me to a park to talk about it. I was pretty nervous that our friendship would end and the conversation when I got there was leaning towards that. Petty, but we were 15.
In a kind of last ditch effort, I told him about her uncle and what she told me. The conversation was then completely off me and the break up and onto her uncle. We sat there for a long time and I held him as he cried. The fallout from it was massive; the uncle was outed, his wife divorced him, he lost his job, etc. There was major rifts and divides across the entire family that lasted for a very long time. Their family has basically never been the same because of it.
I know what I did was right, because people like her uncle can’t be trusted and the truth should always come out. But in complete honesty, at the time I told my best friend about the uncle I wasn’t thinking about any of that. I was simply trying to distract my friend and take the guilt off me. I’ve never told anyone that and it kind of feels good to let it out. I wasn’t any social justice warrior or even a hero for outing a bad guy, I was just a kid who was nervous.”
6. I Was A Teenage Prostitute
“I made a lot of money working as a prostitute from the age of 19-22.
I stopped because the lifestyle I was living was killing me, I was doing a lot of heroin, I was surrounding myself with really dangerous people who did some really shitty things to me, and I really wanted to kill myself.
I somehow found myself lucky enough to get out and into a new city, and I got help in getting clean. I now work a regular job at a nice coffee shop, I have friends I very much love and are a positive influence on my life.
I’ve told my closest friends, but it obviously isn’t something you go around advertising.”
7. I Don’t Remember It But I’m Pretty Sure He Does
“NSFW response just FYI since I see this thread isn’t tagged. Using a throwaway because i want to get it off my chest, but, you know.
When I was 11 my older brother raped me a number of times(for the record i am male). It was kinda weird in that I literally had no idea what I was doing and don’t even have traumatic memories. It’s just kinda something that I know happened. I didn’t even connect the dots until I was 14, and I didn’t feel that bad about it then.
Honestly, the event probably impacts me more than I give it credit for and I think if I really wanted to just correlate things i would relate a decline in self-valuation to this event. I’m pretty sure my older brother remembers it, he is only 14 months older than me, but I give him the benefit of the doubt. I am pretty sure he didn’t really know what he was doing (I was homeschooled from 6th grade onward so sex ed didn’t exist), and am absolutely certain he regrets it.”
8. Saving Money
“To save up money to move out, I sell nudes.
Some guys want really specific things (leather suits, feet in a certain angle) so it’s easier to ask what they want than trying to find it online. Usually $5-$15 for a few pics and depending on what they want me to do.”
9. A Guilty Pleasure
“I think ‘Total Eclipse of the Heart’ is one of the greatest songs in history, and when alone in my car, and no other cars are nearby, I try to hit all the notes.”
10. Testicular Torsion Is A Real Thing
“I only have one testicle. The other one was removed when I was in middle school due to Testicular Torsion (where the testicles twist upon themselves) cutting off the blood supply to that area.
Unfortunately for me, I didn’t get to the ER until several hours later, after 1) going to the normal doctor to see what was wrong, and having to wait a long time in line, 2) the doctor saying I needed to get to the ER ASAP, but when I did the doctors there had apparently mixed up my case with someone else’s (not as urgent) case, so I was waiting in the ER for longer than I should have. And then 3) when I finally got to see a doctor, they had to call a second doctor before I could undergo surgery due to my insurance needing a second opinion. With all of those delays they were only able to save one testicle, while the other one had to be removed.
With that being said, if you have a son who is at the late elementary/early middle school age and they suddenly feel an intense pain in their private area for no apparent reason, please get them to the Emergency Room ASAP.”
11. Laughing Along
“I enjoy getting fucked in the ass with a strapon. I’m a pretty normal guy otherwise, but it’s a bit funny to hear people occasionally crack jokes about the subject and I have to laugh along.”
12. The Samaritan’s Dilemma
“I once talked a dude I had never met out of suicide via a phone call.
Two years later the same dude develops a habit of harassing girls to the point they themselves start feeling suicidal. First time I hear of this I tell him to stop, second time I cut all communication with him.
Third time I outright told him I wished I never saved him, and then snuck to his house and left a bottle of bleach at his doorstep.
The dude is still alive. And I still say that saving him was a mistake.”
13. Couldn’t Hold It
“Pissed on the floor at work because I couldn’t make it to the restroom. I was closing and wanted to get out of there ASAP… misjudged how long I could hold it. Didn’t want to piss pants. Was mopping at the time. Convenient.
I am also female, so it was definitely a commitment (i.e. exposing buttocks).”
14. Dumb Kids Who nearly Died
“When we were seniors, Cody & I were just getting drunk and being dumb kids. He drove us to a friends apartment where I don’t even remember leaving, and went back to my house. I remember trying to convince him to stay the night, but he drove home. This was at 1am. I woke up to him screaming at me at 4am about how he crashed his truck. I live at home.
My Dad walked out because he was getting ready for work, and took Cody home. Cody had wrapped his truck around a pole, and managed to not only walk away but he fucking ran to my house. I saw the truck, I would have been killed had I been in it. Cody’s Dad took the damage for the truck, and my Dad never said anything about it. Cody stopped drinking after that. He’s still my best friend, but being dumb kids almost killed us.”
15. Visited An Escort At Nineteen
“I got an escort once when I was 19.
She was a psych student at the same university and graduated from high school a couple years before me. We had a strangely normal conversation lol, like you would with a barista.
Anyway she wrapped my tool, started jerking me off and I said something like, ‘Oh man I wanna be inside you let’s get this ball rolling!’
And she was like, ‘Sorry honey, I’m not full service.’
So I was like, ‘What’s that mean?’
She explained that it means I’m basically just gonna get a handjob.
She was tugging for like 15 minutes and getting a little annoyed like, ‘Are you close to finishing?’
I had to be like, ‘No offense, but I’m not a virgin or anything like that. I’m at a point in my life where it’s hard to get off to a hand job through a condom.’ She was like, ‘Well you’re gonna have to’ and went back at it. I finally busted like 20 minutes later, my dick was completely red and swollen from the whole thing lol
As I was getting dressed I was like, ‘Hey I’m not mad or anything. I totally understand it’s part of the hustle, but I’m not thrilled at forking out 120 bucks for a handjob. Could you school me on how to get more for my buck if I get an escort in the future?’
She happily explained to me all the lingo, what to ask for upfront what not to say on the phone etc etc.
I thanked her and as I left she was like, ‘What’s your deal dude? You’re not like a typical client, you look good in your little baseball cap and your stylish jeans. You aren’t a virgin, I don’t often get young guys like you.’ I told her I was just out of a bad breakup and had some xmas money from my grandma to burn.
She ended up just complimenting me and encouraging me to just get out and try to date instead of spending grandma’s money on pussy.
The confidence boost was better than the blowjob. Total sweetie, I saw her on campus once but out of politeness/discretion didn’t acknowledge her.
Was a very surreal experience.”
16. Hooks Up With Boss On A Business Trip
“This is a long story. I went on a business trip with a group from work. The day we left I found out that my husband was sleeping with my brother’s wife. Of course the alcohol flowed and the owner of the company began hitting on me. My roommate went to the room early and I stayed out with a bunch of coworkers and the owner at a bar. He began texting me saying that he would walk to his room, I would walk to mine and then he would come over to mine later so no one would know. He gets there and things get heated, we are going full force when my coworker roommate starts screaming at me to shut the fuck up. She gets upset and runs out, gets in her car and goes all the way back home. It was dark and she didn’t see who the man was. We get back to work and she tells everyone that I was fucking a random and she felt unsafe. So my boss(not the owner) decides that he’s going to suspend me for putting myself and my roommate in danger. I’m not telling anyone that it was actually the owner so I was suspended without pay for a week. The owner paid me my weeks wages plus some secretly. He’s 20 years older than me and married:( I left that job because of it.”
17. Burying Doctor Manhattan
“My best friend, lets call him Doctor Manhattan, hung himself two years ago. He was an ex-African refugee from the war in Rwanda, with a very promising career in physics. He actually had an offer to work at the LHC, and he looked very much forward to it that is, until he committed suicide, of course.
It took all of us by surprise. He has always been a very dark individual, and not only by the color of his skin : he definitely had the most fucked up sense of humor Ive ever seen. Were talking about disguising himself as a plantation slave for Halloween, or pretending to be named Kunta Kinte when a stranger asked his name.
Anyway.
Since he died in the middle of Winter, and that I live in a country where it is impossible to bury the dead in the frozen ground, we had to wait until Summer to actually bury him.
That very day, unfortunately, I had to work extra for some bullshit reason. Immediately after my shift, I ran to the cemetery as fast as I could. It was not really far from there, but still ; I did not want to miss that.
Halfway there, I suddenly heard bells ringing, and singing. I knew too well what that meant.
I missed it. It was too late.
As I came upon the cemetery upon the hill, nobody was left there.
Well, almost nobody.
Manhattan only had two white friends in the city ; me, and Green Lantern. And Green Lantern was next to the coffin, crying.
I went up to him, and asked him what was wrong.
GreenLantern : Manhattan’s dead, you fucking retard.
Me: Yeah, but hes been that way for months. Whats wrong?
He looked at me, with tears in his eyes. After a long moment of silence, he finally uttered the right words.
GreenLantern : I cant get over it, .
Me: Well, so cant I, and I missed the fucking ceremony.
GreenLantern : Fuck, .
The heaviest silence fell upon the cemetary, with our dead superhero buddy next to us. Almost as if he wasn’t the most silent one out there. When I had an idea.
Me: Lets fucking bury him.*
Green Lantern stopped crying.
What the fuck are you talking about? he said in amidst of a chuckle.
Me: Lets bury Manhattan. He would have loved it. Come on man.
GreenLantern : Oh, thats so fucked up.
Me: Yeah, but he was.
GreenLantern : Youre right.
So thats how me and my buddy ended up shoveling dirt with our barehands upon the coffin of our dead friend, grieving in about 15 minutes.”
18. Craigslist and His Best Friend’s Dad
“I posted an ad on craigslist looking to give some oral services to ‘Dl/Married Men’ after talking to one of the guys who answered my ad, he seemed sane so I gave him the address to my apartment. Turns out when I opened the door, it was my best friend’s dad. We both acknowledged this event. I still went to town on him. My best friend is the oldest of 3 boys and the family is “Happily Married” fuck. I am scum.”
19. “Female Badass”
“I have the image that I’m a ‘female badass’ when I show everyone how proud I am that I’m single and that I don’t ever want to get married and have kids. Deep down, I would love to have a wedding and start a family. I just know that no one will be able to deal with me. I was in a physically and verbally abusive relationship, and I wake up screaming from my nightmares in the middle of the night. I don’t trust anyone, and I know that others would rather find someone else. But I’m going to keep letting others think that I’m happy being single.”
20. This Guy Will Steal Your Girl
“My brother was trying to get with this girl. But for some reason her and I hit it off one night when he wasn’t around. We just got along really well, it was very natural. I never intended on stealing her from him because I was seeing another girl. Eventually my brother started dating her but she abruptly broke up with him about two months later because I knew she couldn’t stand being around me all the time when I was the one she liked.”
21. Lied About The Abortion
“A three month fling and I had a pregnancy scare after he ended things with me, citing that he ‘wasn’t ready for a relationship’. He had spent a week trying to convince me to have an abortion, even before I found out there was no baby to abort. A few weeks later, I found out he was in a relationship with someone else, whose Facebook profile picture looked like it was taken on his couch and posted at a time when he and I were still together. Being the unstable and jilted person I was years ago, I convinced him I had lied about not being pregnant and actually had an abortion. He and the girl broke up a few days later.”
22. Burying the Hatchet
“So I was 17, horny as can be. I like butt stuff…like a lot. I wasn’t 18 so I couldn’t buy a dildo (when I turned 18 I used my bday money to buy one…another slightly sad thought). I was jonesing for something in my butt. I had tried a sharpie, a few fingers, there were sadly no cucumbers or anything similar nearby either. Then, a thought comes to me as I scan my room. My eyes meet my Great-grandfathers hand carved axe. The handle is shaped rather penis like, the end is like a dick-head, and almost a foot long! It has a carving on it of my Great grandfathers initials. I’m thinking…owch. It’s remarkably smooth, I wouldn’t get a splinter even if I tried, but the intials look rough on the ass. I shuffle for the free condoms I got handed to me at a recent festival I went to. This should make it a little smoother, right? I lube it up with Vaseline after covering it with a condom, and take it to pound town on myself. It was pretty nice, 10/10. Now I have it sitting in my room, 4 years later. It’s mine now since my grandfather passed and every time I see it I think of the night my 100 year old family heirloom pounded my ass as I busted the greatest nut my pure gay teen heart had known thus far.”
23. Trophy Wife
“I went to a rock concert with my uncle and his son. My uncle convinced me that the only way I would get in is if I pretended to be his wife, I had to wear a wedding ring.
My uncle was in his mid 40’s and I was 16. I didn’t understand why I had to be his wife but I went along with it cause I really wanted to see this band.
My uncle didn’t really pull any moves but he saw a couple of his old college friends and actually introduced me as his wife. He was still married to his actual wife. The weirdest part was my cousin, his son, was two months older than me.
Now that I’m older I kinda realized that my uncle played me because he wanted to have some young, hot trophy wife to show off to his friends. Kinda embarrassed I never realized that until two years later. Borderline incest, however he isn’t my blood-relative. His actual wife is my blood-relative.”
24. Holding It
“Ok. I can’t believe I’m actually about to type this because it’s so insanely embarrassing. In high school I did competitive speech competitions. When I was a junior, I finally made it to state for monologue. I only found out that I had made it to state the Monday before the competition because I was first alternate which meant if one of the competitions couldn’t make the competition then I would get to go to state. Since I found out so late notice, it was only my theater teacher and I at the competition and she had to go judge other rounds. The competition was at University of Oklahoma. So I was this little high school girl all alone on this gigantic college campus. I was terrified.
The way the competition went was that you had to perform three rounds over the course of two days and they would take your scores from all three rounds. It was the last round of the first day and I had to pee so bad. We were sitting there waiting for the third judge to come in so we could start. The judge was about thirty minutes late. I was sitting there having to pee and terrified that if I got up to go, the judge would come in and they would start without me. Right as I was about to muster the courage to get up and go use the restroom, the third judge walks in and they start the round. I performed second but there were still four performing after me (each performance was about 6 minutes long). Finally the last person gets up to perform and I’m freaking out in my head cause I can’t wait to get up and pee. The guy that was performing was insanely hilarious. I don’t remember what he said, but at one point he made me laugh so hard that I literally pees my pants. Not just a little pee, I let it all out. I remember looking around the room to see if anyone noticed. They didn’t. Somehow when the round was over, I managed to get up and throw my jacket around my waist and rush out before anyone noticed what I did.
I was so embarrassed. I always wondered if anyone ever noticed when they went to clean the room. The next year when we went to state, my teacher said there was a new rule that before any of the competitors left the room, the judges had to check it was clean because someone the year before peed all over the floor. When my teacher told us that, my whole class cracked up laughing at how ridiculous you would have to be to pee all over the floor. They had no clue it was me.”
25. The Fake Boyfriend Becomes Real
“I pretended to have a long distance boyfriend for 3 years when I was 13, until 16. Everyone else had boyfriends, and I got asked out only by weirdoes. I picked a good name and a good school for him, created lots of memories. I lived in a high school dorm during two years of this fake relationship, and every night I pretended to talk with him on the phone. I was pretty good at lying too. I even cheated on this fake boyfriend with a really great guy, and told the real one I felt guilty and broke up with him. I was fucked up, and I hated myself, but continued it anyway.”
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