#jon english

[consilio-cameos]

some random moments from Paris the musical

Agamemnon : no need to rant or shouts Patroclus : *shouting* who's shouting?!

Paris : ooh sweet aphrodite Helen : *really deep sigh* can you just shut up and listen?

Ajax : I vote for Ulysses! Ulysse : Oh no. Ulysse : you really shouldn't

Agamemnon : *rolls the dice* Agamemenon : Eleven! Patroclus : that's a fucking d10

*returning to Troy* Priam : welcome home son, how well was the simple mission i entrusted you with? Paris : haha funny story Aeneas : he fucked up real bad (the whole song is so funny)

Paris : *singing dramatically his inspiring ballad What Could Go Wrong* in the background : *Aeneas and the crew screaming his pretty ass to come down for 2 WHOLE MINUTES* Paris : don't worry, what could go wrong haha :) *falls immediately after*

Agamemnon : we need to find a fool… YOU, you are perfect Sinon : *drunk* wat? Sinon : Thank you, Oh thank you. Aren't you a good murderer :/ Sinon : well if i die, i will do it in style *start a silly musical number* (Sinon is the second most hated character after Paris TvT)

*at the end of the war* Paris : I think the gods must be angry with me

[dilutedh2so4]

paris the musical from 1990 (squared)

second part of my The Leader """"analysis""""

the one friend who did stick by him and his decision to leave the battlefield (patroclus) died because of it

:(

something something tragic irony

idk what my man thinks ""winning"" looks like butttttttt

he lost his slave girl, his honour, his bf, and his life

L

let's just say it's not glory for you

(yes yes ik kleos)

(but see my above list of L's)

(definitely not his finest moments in my humble opinion)

girl they just decided on one 5 minutes ago

get this man an alarm clock

meanwhile patroclus: 💀

haha sorry

yeah that went well, didn't it?

paris: so anyways i started blastin'

anyways LISTEN TO THIS MUSICAL

[nemoverne]

Judas Iscariot, Superstar || Through the Years

[doyouknowthismusical]

[my-burnt-city]

so there's this rock opera called paris and it's about the trojan war. i don't think it ever existed anywhere outside australia but i bought the cast album because, like all millennial musical theatre fans, i am in love with philip quast who played patroclus. some of the songs absolutely slap, but it is important for me that you know that whenever i read the word "agamemnon", i hear it being sung in my head like at 1:28 in the below video

it's been, like... a really long year for me

[albumswhatilistenedto]

[anxovert]

40 years on and this still gives me chills...

[singinprincess]

To demonstrate how my brain works, I have been watching the old sitcom All Together Now starring Rebecca Gibney and Jon English. And because the theme song has been stuck in my head, I just bought a Jon English album.

[yourcoffeeguru]

Six Ribbons Sheet Music by Jon English 1978 TV Series Against The Wind Song || autradingpost - eBay

[ian0key]

TMAGP Memes p.2

Sam: "I'm very worried about Col��n's mental health."

Lena: "Don't worry Sam, Colin is perfectly fine."

Colin:

My man is not doing well.

PART 1

PART 3

[nemoverne]

It’s been nearly two years since this post’s been made, but I’d still like to leave my two cents. My two favorite Judii are probably Michael Lorant (from the Indigo Girls’ version) and Jon English (from the 1972 Australian Cast). I like them both because of the sheer desperation present in both their portrayals. It feels like they genuinely care and fear for Jesus, not just mad that he’s straying from his original teachings. It really helps create this sense that Judas really is the right hand man and that they’ve known each other for a long time. Lorant’s version of Heaven On Their Minds in particular feels so intimate and raw, almost like he’s weeping everything out to Jesus:

Here’s Jon English’s version as well:

This seemed like appropriate playout music on the way to leaving "Heaven On Their Minds" behind and moving on to the next scene, but before I do, I wanted to open the floor to anyone who still reads this blog or who's been liking the posts so far:

Who's your favorite Judas, and why?

Re-blog this post, add your answer, and maybe even link to their version of "Heaven On Their Minds" if it's out there. I wanna hear from you!

[dilutedh2so4]

paris the musical ranking

i do actually like inside outside

but i prefer the others and needed to spread some out T0T

tysm to @wolfythewitch for introducing me to this musical

[regainingparadise]

Relistening to TMA Season 5, I am again struck by how goddam badly Martin and Jon need couples counseling.

I love them both. I ship them very much. But oh lord they have issues

Like, these are two individuals who, under the very best of circumstances, would really need therapy both individually and together. They are both people with plentiful quantities of relational trauma from childhood that neither of them have worked through even the slightest bit.

And then you throw them into the apocalypse. And you add a metric fuck ton of guilt, helplessness, and the dynamics of being "The Antichrist and +1"?

On a surface level--Jon is in a perpetual state of information overload. Martin is in a perpetual state of "can you please just explain the basics of what's' going on in a given situation and not just say "it's complicated" or launch into a gruesome monologue"

But on a deeper level, their childhood relational traumas have left them each with opposing avoidant tendencies: Jon is unwilling to broach a difficult conversation, which leads him to hide information until he's confronted. Martin, on the other hand, has a finely honed ability to ignore information that he doesn't like until he no longer can hide from it.

Biggest example of their avoidance tendencies: Martin's Domain

Way early on, when we barely understand any of how the hellscape works, Jon mentions it, Martin shuts it down hard and deflects quickly with a bid for affection from Jon

Martin is in deliberate denial, but Jon admittedly wasn't particularly clear to start with.

"We all have a domain."

Jon means it, presumably, as "Me, You, and other 'Avatars.'" Jon is used to being grouped with those empowered by the Entities. Martin isn't. (see also: MAG185: Martin" Is that how these creatures see us now? As one of them?") But that's not what Jon says. And this is MAG167--they've only been through four domains, at least that we've seen. Jon is speaking from a place of knowledge, and assuming his listener has that same knowledge.

And when this issue comes up much later in MAG183, Martin has spent 17 episodes ignoring or forgetting that he has a domain, not letting that information in so that he has never processed it. (See also: Mag170: "Sometimes I wonder if I forget things on purpose. Easier not to think about them, I guess. Easier to just let them… slip away. They can’t hurt you if you don’t think about them.").

Martin confronts Jon on his avoidance (because while Martin may be good at ignoring things he doesn't like, he's far better at bringing up challenging topics), Jon is able to manage some A+ communication on his feelings and the genuine challenging of figuring out how to share upsetting information when he has All The Information, Martin accepts that. I just desperately want a therapist to be there and make them continue this conversation and practice ongoing good communication skills!

Though they resolve this, even though Jon has an explanation that makes sense...he was really leaving this conversation to the last minute. Would he have "[brought] it up at the crossroads" as he claims to Helen? Or would he have avoided it entirely, as she accuses, or waited till they were at the threshold, as he does with The Desolation and the Hunt, leaving Martin to confront terrifying situations without forewarning or planning or explanation.

Again, Jon kind of tried to bring up some of the potential issues with Basira and Daisy before entering the Hunt domain, but kept it Vague and Ominous ("Things aren't...good"). Martin took that vagueness as an opening to avoid engaging with potential bad news. The teensiest bit of therapy for either of them about their communication issues could have let Jon add "I know you're exited but FYI here are some specifics that you should know" and/or Martin go "I'm excited to see them but given that nothing is good right now, can you be more specific?"

Instead, Jon approaches difficult conversations by being Vague and Ominous, Martin gets snarky or passive-aggressive at the vagueness, upset or aggressively avoidant at the Ominousness, Jon closes back up like a turtle into his shell, and the conversation only comes back up when the situation has drastically escalated, leaving them both more upset.

Jon wants Martin to trust him, because explaining what he knows implicitly is an ordeal for him, and because his upbringing by his grandmother has suggested that communicating is generally unwanted and burdensome (See: MAG081 A Guest for Mr. Spider).

Martin wants to know what is going on, because he's in an awful hellscape of shifting rules about what can and cannot hurt them, completely dependent on a brand-new romantic partner for his survival and purpose, and also because his upbringing and coping mechanisms as a caretaker rely on him knowing enough to help, and his time as an archival assistant has given him some not-inconsiderable trauma about being left in the dark (See: MAG118 The Masquerade) (There's also another post in my head about how MAG118 primed Martin for both the Lonely and his development as a more confrontational character in S5)

All that to say.

Martin needs therapy to deal with the way he chooses not to absorb information he doesn't like. Jon needs therapy to understand that sometimes it's ok to bring up important topics even if the other person will be upset. They both need therapy to cope with all the guilt and helplessness around the apocalypse so they stop taking it out on each other. They need therapy together to learn how to work through their conflicting coping mechanisms.

[hell0jon]

Imagine they find another tape recorder, decide to play it and it’s just 17 minutes and 39 seconds of the guys in The Puter arguing about tea

———————————————————————

“You know, Martin… I don’t understand how you can drink Chamomile, it’s too sweet”

“And what would you know about sweetness you pompous ass”

“Enough to know that thing in your mug makes syrup look bitter”

“And what would your preferred beverage be, Jon? Do you stick to the classics, or do you like to experiment with teas that don’t taste like a watered-down disappointment?”

“God I don’t know, Martin….. Earl Grey.”

“Earl Grey? EARL GREY? EARL GREY YOU BASIC, MUNDANE, MONOTONOUS, SNOOZER, DULLARD, WALKING YAWN, CURE FOR INSOMNIA, EMBODIMENT OF BEIGE, REAL SNOOZE FAST, PERSONIFICATION OF A BLANK WALL, RAT OLD BASTARD, SHIT HEAD, IDIOT, AVATAR OF THE WHOR—”

[strslv-4sh]

*At Jondami's marriage*

*Jason calls Jon for a private conversation and Jon is clearly nervous*

Jason, looking deep into Jon's soul through his eyes: Look, I'll let it clear, if you hurt my brother, just a little, make him cry, or even make him sad, just once, I will come after you with kryptonite and will hunt you to hell if necessary. Got it?

Jon, shaking his head: Definitely

Jason, narrowing his eyes: You sure?

Jon: Yes! It was clear as day

Jason, instantly becoming less threatening and patting Jon on the back: Good, welcome to the family