#joker talks to himself

[amatus-jj]

okay guys i think the case just got solved, time to go home and rest

[theredcuyo]

"Why would you do all of this for me even after all i did to you?!"

"Because i love you, the you that it's really behind all of it, the you that you fight not to show to the world but that i've seen before anyway"

Is such a raw line that i asure you, if it's present in a fic, not necessary letter by letter, but in sentiment, then that's a good fucking fic

Wheter platonic or romantic

[mogoce-nocoj]

this was completely useless except for all the bokrissing due to them being the only ones visible

[nobrain-onlysteven]

No thoughts just Interlude IV based on Under the Hood mixed with Arkham Knight with Red Hood vs Batman and the dead kid they’re talking about is Jason, and throughout the song, Bruce slowly realizes that Red Hood actually is Jason, although not the same one he once knew.

Red Hood to Batman about the old Jason:

[loud-whistling-yes]

nobody touch me i just read kj encore and SO NO ONE'S GONNA FUCKING TALK ABOUT HACHI COMPETING WITH JOKER TO BECOME A THIEF???????

[boyfridged]

Have you seen this yet? Thoughts? Feelings? Predictions? Etc etc…

i'm worried. mostly i hope there is some twist and it is not jason who killed the joker.

or rather: i don't think it's the worst thing in the world if that happened and i do believe there could be a story of that which, handled in a certain way, would be interesting. but so far it seems that we have jason, age 15, wake up in some revenge-seeking frenzy.

and i'm just fundamentally against a jason lives story that is nothing more than a revenge story. i think it's completely besides the point of everything we know about robin jay even as of aditf and just reinforces the idea that he was doomed from the start... which i obviously do not agree with, for how it's laced with classism and cynicism that in my opinion does not serve the narrative of batman as a whole.

there is of course much to say about injustice that jay is against and which made him desperate no matter his own death; and all of that should be accounted for in any jay-lives scenario. but what we see so far is awfully reductive; and while these panels are quite nice and i like them because they focus on jason's pain, i think it is easy to guess, especially based on what the covers look like, that the story that so narrowly focuses on it, does not truly focus on jay. it's about bruce. it's about bruce reckoning with jason as a "consequence" and about his horror at what his son "has become." and i said it a hundred times and will it say another hundred: of course i do know that this is bruce's world and everyone else just lives in -- or survives in it, like in the premise of this story -- but where are all the other themes and motifs from aditf?

something else here that is a concern -- the idea of killing the joker itself, which we know has been established as something impossible... would that win perhaps be surprising and fresh? that cycle ending? yes, but in this specific case that's an easy way out... the point of batman as a story in its whole grandiose, is, always, that evil preserves -- what do we do in face of it? as epictetus said, and le guin after: there are no ends, just means. what do we do with them?

though i suppose there is hope for this story, given that it seems the scene takes place after the joker's end, and yet we see jay crying...

but again, overall: a jason lives story that focuses so strictly on the joker is not something i'm overly interested in... and actually something that i aim to challenge in my own writing; i think it's easy to forget that while if jason survived, it would be the most traumatic occurrence in his life to date, it would be one of many. there were plenty death scares suffered before; there are many plotlines that culminate into his desperation; and there are the fundamental matters intertwined into it all, like family and the fact that as of aditf, jay seems to be growing (if it could be called growing; since it's a much sharper, from a lack of better wording, course of action, and not "progressive") into a decision of leaving vigilantism behind (if that could grant him love of a kind he is seeking). if robin lives does not deal with all of these, or hint at their further importance, if it does not justify the decisions it takes on these grounds; it will fail.

but to leave it off on a more positive note: i am very interested in how they handle jay simply remaining robin after these events... if there was a certain time when everything went as it did; that false space of "as it was" before the events in ethiopia, if him getting into revenge was not a thing linear, i could perhaps enjoy it.

this is a lot of words for a book that we don't really know much about. but i am fundamentally wary of it because i think jason deserves a story that is beyond the scope of the red hood and its retroactive effect on his legacy... which is a trap that dematteis seems to have obviously fallen into. the question is to what extent it will prevent him from actually seeking to continue the story as it was in the 80s, and take on the motifs from that time. because even though aditf was bad, it also did ask so many interesting questions forever lost to retcons later on.

[drrandombear]

♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ THE BITCH IS BACK ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡  (A moment of appreciation for the drip of Riddler's goons- they look awesome)

GORDON!!!! HES HERE!!! Love that they're bringing in characters that they were blocked from using before. Also a pretty smooth introduction all things considered.

Riddler being Batman's "Guardian Angel" very nice. I do really like it when Riddler seems to have full control / partial control over the city. Guy in the chair Riddler is where hes at his best. (Also him calling Batman and Yin "Detectives" love that he still remembers her being a huge thorn in his side even if he most likely cant remember her name the narcissistic bitch♡)

This is horrifying. I love all the good shots we get of people being Joker gassed but this one really stood out to me of this goon collapsing Infront of the "camera". (also another moment of appreciation for the kickass Riddler goon look- why doesn't the man himself look more like these guys)

Yin being the one to fuck up the Riddlers plans yet again. Yes queen get his ass.

Gordon looks so cool. Its the coat but like still. Also love how this episode lights him.

[fruitybashir]

song pick for todays chapter btw:

[daisybell-on-a-carousel]

Honestly, sometimes it's not even about the Joker

[darkclouud9]

working on a little something

(empty spots are for Pearl and Lala. I somehow managed to get enough to accidentally make a clock...)

ik technically everyone has beef with everyone at some point this will be updated as I go.

how'd I forget Endless to Impulse in terms of rivalry oops.

[235uranium]

akechi's role in yaldy's game is genuinely so fucked up. given the power of the wildcard at 15 with no guidance, with a skillset tailored to solo-ing and the power to induce psychosis, for the sole purpose of increasing distortion in the public.

... because he was an angry, traumatized child with no support system who wanted the world to burn as a result.

[fifi-goes-to-hollywood]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzG4d8ft6zY/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Bojan with jance kiddo?

(Link Spoiler: Bojan, Kris and children performing “Barve oceana”)

OMG ABSOLUTELY! He would be the happiest, getting the “Bojan, are you free tonight? Can we drop Neža to you? We’re going on a date, we’ll get her in the morning, ok?” call.

And to extend, he’ll be the major babysitter in JO, being the funny uncle.

[fellhellion]

goroboy posting forever and ever etc but really am obsessed w the way he just flat out lies to shido about morgana's true nature for one and brushes off like, the fact the PT are still capable of challenging shido even w Joker's supposed death.

[starlooove]

This complaint has nothing to do with my fanon canon war It’s that ppl confuse nicer and better. If u think Gotham is better than metropolis yeah sure whatever NICER? Girl.

[burritowitch]

sean murphy would fucking love anarky and because of this he should never find out he even exists. for my sanity

[benbamboozled]

I didn't want to derail someone else's post, but your tags about Cheer are SO RIGHT

What exactly is the difference between;

Abusive Dad is dead so kid has to go into Social Services

and

Abusive Dad is in prison so kid has to go into Social Services?

(other than that one option gives the kid some measure of permanent closure imo, but yknow, murder bad -_-)

IT MAKES ME WANT TO EAT BEEEEEES!!!!

Like…the lack of thought that went into that plotline is just…WHAT!

Okay, Bruce and Jason racing to find a cure/stop Cheer…THAT makes sense. Saving Tyler’s mom MAKES SENSE as a parallel! Jason can be the kind of person to Tyler and Tyler’s mom that he and Catherine never had.

TYLER’S ABUSIVE CHILD-POISONER DAD IS IMMATERIAL TO THE SITUATION!!!!

Even if Jason hadn’t killed him he would have been in jail! Hell, he could have already been dead and it wouldn’t have changed what was going on with Tyler and Tyler’s mom!

So really the problem is STILL “saving Tyler’s mom”! THAT IS WHERE THE EMOTIONAL RESONANCE LIES!

Not to mention, you know…Jason being bent out of shape over killing a serial child-poisoner MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE! Him giving up guns because of that MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE!

Like, it goes against all of his post-UtH characterization! AND all of his pre-UtH characterization! Just…ALL of his characterization!!!

And not in a way that feels organic and/or like character growth, either! It’s just stupid and inexplicable!

(Not to mention that like…okay, this is going to go into real life/abuse in fiction, but…Batman writers know that abused people sometimes kill their abusers, right? Like, in real life?

Because, okay, see…one of the reasons that I love Jason Todd is because I conceptualize him as a sort of an Angel of Retribution on behalf of victims—in much the same way that Batman is often conceptualized as the Spirit of (Vengeance/Justice/Whatever).

And, further than just bringing down punishment on those who hurt people…Jason takes that heat onto himself.

Victims don’t have to die to escape their torment—either by being killed by their abusers or taking their own lives like Gloria. And they don’t have to kill to escape, either. They don’t have to walk the path that he walks.

Jason takes that onto himself. He died so they don’t have to. He kills so they don’t have to.)