#john winchester fr

[loosethreadsofyoursoul]

while i will always love and appreciate the bisexual dean winchester agenda, i truly believe that if he was raised differently—or maybe if he grew up today instead—that boy would have been gay. like his love for women in a romantic/sexual context was always such a caricature and was continuously used as a symbol of masculinity that played against the roles assigned to him by his father growing up for the sake of suppressing any queerness he might exhibit. now whether that suppression was purposely written into his character or was a reaction to the character they had created, i’m not sure, but it’s there regardless.

i don’t mean to dismiss the love he felt for cassie or lisa, but particularly with lisa, i’m not sure he was ever in love with her, despite the fact that he did care for both her and ben. i get so frustrated watching the end of s5 because him going to her house and his perfect “apple pie life” being with her in suburbia genuinely came out of nowhere and i’ve never understood a) why it had to happen, and b) why it had to be lisa. but thinking about it in this sense, she was the closest thing he had in his life to everything he was raised to believe he should want by one john winchester, who lost his perfect wife, perfect family, perfect apple pie life and sent all of them down this path in the first place. so of course to dean, his happy ending would be with someone like lisa. but that’s the important part. someone like lisa, not lisa herself. he may have had love for her and he may have been able to picture a life with her, but it wasn’t necessarily because she was everything he wanted; she was a symbol of the things that tore his family apart and so to be with her felt like he was finally able to put some of it back together. and that makes me so sad for him because all of that is a result of the sense of responsibility ingrained in him growing up by john, not something he wanted for himself.

but back to his general attitude towards women, there was an excellent post that said he only acts like the typical womanizer he has a reputation for being around women deemed “stereotypical” by the misogynistic perspective. otherwise, he tends to take on a fairly brotherly role; he doesn’t tend to pursue any women he can “take seriously,” and is more intimidated or impressed by them than anything else. with the exception of cassie (which was pre-series and we never got full context for in the first place), he only ever pursued women with whom he would have a definitive ending—by that i mean women who he knows he’ll never see again or who would have a clearly defined role during the time they’re together that wouldn’t threaten the status quo. and yes these could also be the traits of a commitment-phobe or someone chronically on the move, but for one, sam doesn’t tend to do the same thing (see ruby, amelia, and eileen), and for two, given the things i mentioned already, it makes me consider it more of a result of him not actually being interested in women romantically.

his reaction to women when not purposely used as the butt of a joke or to perpetuate the “womanizer dean winchester” agenda is often so innately fraternal, caring in a way that doesn’t have any expectations behind it. and when there is a romantic context, so much of the relationship can be attributed to the way john raised him and the beliefs he has as a direct result; it’s never simply been built on the foundation of love.

every time he is dismissed as this macho het guy, it also dismisses so much of what makes him a wonderful character, and yes a lot of that is his queerness. so in a world where he didn’t grow up with roles and responsibilities that shaped him into someone he knew his dad hated and forced him to create this character for himself in order to survive? i think he would have been gay and he would have been okay with that.

[flowersintheimpala69]

how it feels being a mary and john enjoyer

[bloodydeanwinchester]

🩸Bloody Dean Every Episode🩸 ↳ 1x22 || Devil's Trap

💞 also happy 1 year anniversary to this series 💞

[sampilled]

doing a lot of thinking about how scared sam was as a child

in the pilot we learn sam left hunting, not because he wanted normal but because he wanted safe.

in a draft of the pilot script, sam says he doesn't want to help dean find john because he "just stopped having nightmares" (obviously taken out because it would contradict later plot lines with sam having nightmares about jess dying but i wish they had replaced it with something similar because i think a lot less people would think of sam as selfish if we had got to hear it)

we also get this scene in 1x04

this is four episodes into the show! sam has been back in hunting for a month? maybe? and he is already having nightmares about the job again (and while dean tries to act tough, sam sees straight through him and knows that he's scared too)

hunting again is bringing back bad feelings that he thought he'd left behind but at this point, he is motivated to find his father and avenge jessica so he pushes through his fear, as a kid he didn't have these things to fuel him. he was just this sad lonely little child who was terrified out of his mind about all of the evil in the world that he should have been sheltered from!! terrified that his dad and his brother were going to be killed anytime they were out of his line of sight!!

in conclusion, i could've raised him, i could've kept him safe

[treacherousrift]

I am so normal about Sam Winchester and also my relationship with my father

[carc1nog3n3t1c1st]

If John Winchester has zero haters I'm dead

[holyfreaks]

other people in the fandom: omg FUCK mary and john winchester i hate them

me: I want to be their third......

[cthulhum]

the way i see it the supernatural finale could be interpreted as disrespectful and a slap in the face to the characters who fought so hard to create their own story, write their own destiny, define all odds and live their lives outside of gods will in this case but personally to me the whole "this was always gonna end like this", "love was there and it didn't chnage anything. but it still matters that the love was there", and the fact that their story and legacy will live on and the fact that sam and dean died the way they were introduced to us in the very first episode and the way both characters always predicted,, is kind of,, its kind of beautiful,..

[brucemanimean-batwayne]

was having my spn rewatch when i realized something

dean "this isn't you" winchester

[carhengeapocalypse]

What if in season 2 amongst all the times Sam keeps telling Dean to kill him because dad said so. Dean just lost it and said "stop putting this on me! Why do I have to do everything? If you think Dad was right and you should be dead fucking do it yourself!"

I would hope that would actually make Sam stop and think about how bonkers this whole situation is, because he could just like, try to not need to be killed. Save yourself like in those princess story rewrites. Take some responsibility. And stop telling your brother parent to murder you?? Incredibly fucked up thing to ask of a close loved one (or anyone really but whatever)

Dean would never actually say this though. I still think he should've yelled at Sam more though about this

[uh-ohspaghettio]

Most relatable things on supernatural

- Dean acting like a widow when castiel dies

- Jimmy putting his hand in boiling water because castiel told him too

- Sam hating on John Winchester

[deadgirlsam]

it is a little sad how much everyone seems to overlook john in favor of writing him off as a heartless abuser .... he is an abuser and a terrible father obviously! but he's also a character within a story, and i feel like refusing to engage with his character past that or wondering why he is the way he is or acknowledging the fact he loves his kids kind of kills your ability to read sam and (especially) dean properly too

[femslashspuffy]

Sherlock is like the only one of those shows that really is just the close best friends that everyone assumes is dating thing but for gay people. It's painful sometimes to see John getting harassed for being in love with sherlock because it feels EXACTLY THE SAME as when straight people harass gay people about if they like someone of the opposite sex. John Watson is being forcehomoed like your conservative family tries to forcehet you

[trannydean-moved]

neighbor's bf is named john and whenever the kids mention him i want to punch a wall

[blessedbeyougirl]

......which could mean Nothing

So funny that the entirely offscreen relationship of John Winchester and Pastor Jim is the emotional catalyst for the s1 finale episodes. John gets wreckless with urgency because he hears Meg kills Pastor Jim. He openly cries about it. This man did not come and see his son when he was dying in hospital but he's TORN UP about Pastor Jim.

[theogmrpandabear]

WHY IS YOUNG JOHN WINCHESTER SO FINE AKSDJSKASJAKSJSKS