#jin tls

[fuckyeahkagepro]

Jin: "I hate summer." {"Kagerou Daze" lyric reference}

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[demonsfate]

heihachi: returns in the most bullshit way imaginable

fans: that dlc story was alright. it's cool how heihachi returned <:)

jin: "redeemed" in the TK8 story after his character was ruined in TK6.

fans: i just think it's so bad how the story tries to redeem jin and make him out to be a good guy :/ like he was a super evil dude who killed millions he might as well be [insensitive reference to a real life dictator]

[lesbiansloveseokjin]

day 492/548 of seokjin’s military service

this selca was posted on 200718 with the caption:

Seokjinie

[morshiberna]

………anyways i miss andi @magicshop :((((

[sorrowschengmei]

why almost every villain in MDZS breaks their expected gender role somehow

btw please notice when i say 'masculine' i'm not saying 'manly in a contemporary western POV' i'm basically saying 'appropriate behaviour for a cisgender male of his social position' so yes expect a lot of class struggle as newsflash, identity based  oppression ALWAYS walks hand in hand with social class [there's a reason upper class americans always seem more comfortable to display gender nonconforming behaviour than working class ppl of the global south]

first i'd like to use a character as pretty much an example of  almost 100% gender conforming behaviour in that show: Wangji.

yes he's gay, but that really doesn't seem to be an issue in this setting. why? bc he dresses plainly, doesn't display excessive emotion, shows devotion to his family, respects customs, doesn't mingle outside his  social class... i mean, we all watched that show, he DOES slip sometimes, but not enough to create a reputation of rule breaker or something. even in his most rebellious moments, he's still inside everything one might expect of a cisgender man of his social class.

so who fails to meet the standard? characters that are heavily punished for doing so. that become bitter and resentful, and display their suffering acting in vengeful, cruel, calculating ways. that look at the society that ruined them, and say 'i'll ruin this bitch'.

and yes, this list includes Wei Ying. so say hello to the mean girls of MDZS!

starting by the most obvious example: Mo Xuanyu, gay, gender nonconforming to shocking levels and mentally ill. taken into the Jin sect, goes there and hits on his half brother. absolutely iconic. 

no really this character spits and pisses on the face of society, and its one of the saddest examples of this list as he not only doesn't do much damage as the others, he's also driven to suicide. i won't list all the ways he's GNC bc honestly there aren't too many ways he WAS in gender conformity lol

another character that resorts to ways that could be called antagonistic and also struggles with gentlemanly behaviour is Nie Huaisang.

he's devoted to the arts, what is NOT unmasculine per se, but the fact he can't succeed at swordsmanship, won't display a traditional assertive and unattached attitude when in a leadership position and has an overall sensitive and gentle demeanor mark him as a deviant from his assigned gender role, what is harshly punished by the masculine-and-manly-in-a-contemporary-western-POV Nie Mingjue. as he cannot win in direct confrontation, he appeals to indirect ways and social manipulation [completely ungentlemanly behaviour] much like the next in the list: Meng Yao.

this one is sorta tricky to fit in this list bc he DOES display gender conforming behaviour but as we can see, its either something fucking wicked like impregnating his own sister or pretty much a role he's playing. Yao is PAINFULLY aware of how society works. he can see clearly all the roles and picks those that will favour him. does it mean he's comfortable with them?

no lol to become the perfect married, with an heir, of high status, filial etc male model he does unspeakable things. i absolutely love this character and i'm yes, based af towards him bc his tragedy is BEING TOO GOOD AT FITTING GENDER ROLES. accepting anything to dodge the social outcast status that was imprinted on him since he was born. a whoreson is not a man, he's something less than a man, he's a Mo Xuanyu, he's a Xue Yang. he has no family to honour, no place in the social pyramid, no means of starting his own family.

he's unmasculine by definition. and much like Huaisang, Yao was graced with a soft and gentle presence, more appropriate for a Mianmian than a sect leader. talking of Xue Yang.... 

yes, he's pretty much 'manly' in a western contemporary POV. he kills ppl and displays antisocial behaviour, what is pretty much tied to our current view on manhood [see the soldier and the CEO as peak examples of the ''alpha male'']

 but whose family is he going to honor? what kind of emotional restraint is laughing during a massacre? which customs are being respected when a working class-born man kills an entire highborn clan for something that according to the custom he should just accept as his fate and move on?

add to that the fact he's very much satisfied with assuming a housewife role and hits on upper class men obscenely in any opportunity he has, and you have a walking menace to the entire concept of masculinity of this setting. *throws kiss* for Xue Yang, ancient Chinese working class queer icon.

then we have Su Minshan, who BETRAYED HIS CLAN out of devotion for a WHORESON, and has a lifelong grudge with who? yes, THE masculine role model, Lan Wangji, who honestly couldn't care less, he's just trying to live his already hard enough life in peace.  Su Minshan offends almost everything that means being a man in his setting. plus he's cunning-not a good look.

and finally we have the Yiling Laozu, that one that broke all the taboos, offended all the customs, rejected swordsmanship and embraced music, all while being romantically involved with a Lan of Gusu when he's merely a Jiang associate. and the most iconic part?

MXTX made him the fucking protagonist. yes. the dude who went there and dishonored everything that means being a man in his setting, she doesn't want us to think he's lowly, dirty, unworthy of empathy--there are enough characters doing this already. she wants us to join this gender nonconforming gay man as he lifts all the veils of society, wrecking mayhem in their little extremely rigid feudal system, intriguing the a-Yaos, a-Yangs, Minshans, Huaisangs and Xuanyus with his ways so similar but so different from theirs. it's like the author is saying:

'we know you are hurting. we know society fucked you up. but please, dont become bitter. you still can create a beautiful life for you. you don't need to be stuck in a coffin, left to rot, suicided or tossed aside. you CAN write your WangXian song and cultivate until immortality'

and honestly i dont think i've ever seen any work so obscenely thought-provoking regarding gender roles, social roles and trauma as MDZS....

[punnypandemonium]

Would you say that Jin mori is an omnipotent bieng since he agreed to be a all powerful that creates balance throughout all the universe

Since it seems he can kill the fairies that are eating the universe (which were a damn pain in the ass on the Tathagata battle and they had already destroyed an universe), the series narrator said in the last episode "Taejin Park's age, Daewi and Mira child, having reached nirvana Mori Jin was capable of solving these problems easily" and, as you said, chose for himself to be all-powerful when XuanZang asked him what he wanted to do, I'd say that yes, he is omnipotent, not a perfet omtipotent being since it was said that he is ageing although slower than the others tho.

A very interesting question is how much of reality he could bent with his new power and how much power would be necessary to be called omnipotent. for example can he create things? can he cure illness? at least that last one is implied he can but it could be a wrong interpretation. Sadly the total capacity of his new powers isn't really touched upon the series finale.

Even so I would call him an omnipotent god since the definition of omnipotent is "having unlimited power" and I thing being "all-powerful" is a valid synonym.

[doomxdriven]

Bount can manipulate Reishi and use it to heal / empower themselves but little known fact is that they can also manipulate Reishi to heal or empower others, too.

Normally;

this is all assuming that a Bount is within a realm where the concentration of Reishi in the atmosphere is high (Soul Society, Hueco Mundo, etc), but if a Bount draws Reishi into themselves, they can then in fact direct it into other Bount or non-Bount for healing or empowerment purposes through one of two ways. Either a Bount can indirectly channel the Reishi they are manipulating at a target individual, or they can more directly feed a target some of their blood, which will be infused with said Reishi-- both methods have their pros and cons.

The indirect method is quicker, and can be more easily utilized in fast pace combat situations, but the healing and empowering effects leave much to be desired. The indirect method is also less effective when used on other Bount, with it being far more practical for them to simply heal or empower themselves directly.

On the other hand, the direct method is a lot slower and cumbersome, what with a Bount having to cut themselves open and then steadily pour their blood into a targets mouth, but the healing and empowering effects are exceptional.

A Bount can almost bring someone back from the dead with the direct method, healing even the most grievous wounds and temporarily empowering a target far beyond their normal abilities.

Either method's effectiveness will also be influenced by a Bount's age, with older Bount being far better at utilizing manipulated Reishi in these manners.

Now, in regards to Jin specifically with this healing business;

he's of course a little special, and that's because Jin has something that most other Bount don't-- a Reishi and Reiryoku generating device that's been absorbed into his body, the Jokaisho. With the Jokaisho, Jin can heal and empower himself or others regardless of what realm he is in, because he can, whenever he wants, generate Reishi within himself.

Depending on how far along Jin is within his main verse at a given time, he may have to be more careful in how often he uses the Jokaisho (it can be fatal before its fully matured within him), but he still has tool at his disposal that can prove very useful to those around him, if he so chooses.

In non-bleach settings;

the same idea still follows, too, with Bount in general and with Jin and the Jokaisho, but its not 'Reishi' involved its 'insert magical or otherwise supernatural energy source' that can induce healing or empowerment (sometimes through the blood 😈, you know, real vampire shit).

[theinfinitedivides]

me seeing all of the MD discourse once again cursing out Gil Chae and calling her weak/a bitch for still turning down Jang Hyun's proposal before he left with the Crown Prince:

[loveregrown]

I really love how baby hocchan is such a menace... hocchan is ANGRY. Where's your fucking RAGE daikichi-kun? RISE RISE RISE

[lovewhump]

Just found out Ya yultak name is actually Yayul(family name) and Tak(last name).

That sounds bit weird....imma just keep calling him Yultak

[beehiveofblorbos]

“but today, a new tale I have to append

which I shall now tell - if you will attend”

Yun Jin‼️

[ousnap]

Any active btspopper out there?? I need more to follow. But must be an active user. Check the tags please.

[raindrops-on-concrete]

Wei WuXian and Lan WangJi work so well as a team and it's a big part of why their dynamic is so enjoyable.

They have very different skill sets, but they both know their own strengths and limits. And, at least later on after WWX is reincarnated, they also understand each others strengths and limitations.

WWX let's LWJ fight a lot of his physical battles for him, because he knows that he himself wouldn't be able to handle them but LWJ is more than capable to. A beautiful example of this is in Yi City when LWJ swoops in to fight Xue Yang, and tells WWX that he has the fight handled. WWX then analyses the situation and realizes he's of more help by bringing the Juniors to safety and investigating some more. Lan JingYi even brings this up, asking why they don't lose any words over WWX leaving LWJ behind in battle. And WWX tells him that he trusts LWJ has the situation handled so there would be no use in losing any more words over it.

On the other hand, WWX always does the talking for the two of them. When performing Inquiry, LWJ relays WWXs questions without hesitation.

When they are conducting research in the secret library in the Cloud Recesses and WWX decides to take a break, LWJ takes over his stack of books without hesitation or asking him to continue his work. WWX recognized that he needed a break and LWJ respects that and does his work for him since he still has the energy to keep researching.

They also respect each other a lot, even if they don't agree with each other. After WWXs reincarnation, LWJ never questions him about his demonic cultivation, even though he probably still doesn't quite approve of it. As for WWX I can't think of a specific example after his reincarnation rn, but I really love the scene where he drinks LWJs liquor for him at Jin GuangYao's private banquet, because the Lan Sect are not allowed to drink alcohol.

There's not a leader and a follower between them. They always listen when the other is talking, and depending on the situation one or the other takes the lead. In that way, they are equals and see each other as equals. They are not equal in any particular skill or even cultivation level, but through their different skill sets they can add onto each other skill sets.

TL;DR WWX and LWJ work so well as a team bc they know their own and each other's strengths and limitations very well, and know how to use them accordingly. They have a lot of trust and respect for each other even if they disagree. They see each other as equals and their skill sets add onto each other very well.

[thatswhatsushesaid]

re: my tags about jgy and qin su in my reblog of that "does your blorbo have ptsd" tumblr poll, can we revisit that excruciating conversation in the jinlintai treasure room in cql? because one of my least favourite reads on jgy's expression and body language here is that he's being "creepy." and to be clear, i'm not trying to say you're wrong to draw those inferences here, because his behaviour is deeply, deeply unsettling, and i also find this scene hard to watch and to read in the novel. but i think if that's where your examination of him begins and ends here, you're doing yourself--and zhu zanjin's exquisite performance--a disservice.

so the 'creepy' bit is preceded by what jgy says to qin su while she has her back turned, and i find his words heartbreakingly sincere and very reflective of a man who has spent his life forced to feel shame and embarrassment over his mother, who he loves dearly and who he watched suffer right up until the moment of her death:

there are a few more very poignant lines in there about his mother and the depth of his gratitude to qin su (these show up in the novel, too), but i think the above encapsulates the same message. then the atmosphere shifts, and so does jgy's expression when he talks about jin rusong and how his death would have been inevitable--essential, even. this is also where i most often see him described as acting like a creep, and i have two separate responses to this that i don't really have the time to get into right now, but which have both doylist and watsonian components to them so 👀 you can probably make some guesses about what my arguments would be. if there's enough interest, i might come back to this later and put together a separate post about it, idk. anyway, i'm not going to get into the 'is he a creep' argument here because tl;dr no, i don't think he is, and also--

i find jgy's expressions here to be more indicative of a man who is, shall we say, Not His Best Self At The Moment 🫠 rather than a man who is intentionally trying to make a wife who, by her own admission, he has treated very well for the entirety of their marriage, uncomfortable. his attention isn't even on qin su or the hell that she is experiencing right now--because he is re-experiencing his own hell. because he, too, is traumatized by this knowledge! he's just had a decade and change to develop some deeply unhealthy coping mechanisms and masking techniques to hide it.

at this point qin su whips around and slaps him, which i know everyone likes to gif and fistbump and holler about in a positive way, but given there is no one in this scene who isn't enduring profound trauma in this moment, i, uh. you know. won't be doing that. i will focus on his face journey in the expressions that follow because they are just so

dissociating

dissociating

dissociating

/executive function switch is flipped in his superbly wrinkly brain, and then "qin su :) we still have so many guests to attend at the discussion conference :)"

a-yao? sir?? hello??? also i do not have the quote from the novel directly in front of me, but iirc he says something very similar here to what he does in the novel, which i'll have to paraphrase: that this revelation is only bothering qin su so much because she is actively thinking about it! it's only thoughts, you see! just don't think about it! haven't they actually been very happy all this time, while only one of them had to live with this knowledge and could not share it with anyone?

to which i can only respond with abject, horrified shock because, like. have you, jin guangyao? been happy and unperturbed by this devastating knowledge? because i think the answer is a pretty definitive no.

anyway i just wanted to quickly keymash my thoughts on this before they fled my brain completely but tl;dr yes, while jgy would not use this language to describe himself, he's absolutely got ptsd specifically around his marriage to his own half-sister, and their son.

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[thatswhatsushesaid]

don't leave the gold buried in the tags OP

my actual biggest MDZS unpopular opinion might be that excessive amounts of glee in what happens to JGY/delight in NHS's ~~master plan~~ makes me super uncomfortable

[jonathankai]

Okay, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but details of Wei Wuxian's death are ambiguous. Was it Jiang Cheng, was it a loss of control, was it an act of self-destruction? And yet, readers who are 100% sure that JC killed WWX make me laugh and cry at the same time, and here’s why.

PEOPLE SAY that Yiling Laozu was killed by his shidi. PEOPLE ALSO SAY that Yiling Laozu kidnapped 1000 women to build a harem.

Okay, we all had a good laugh about sleepovers in harem, but speaking of the first statement - it's said once in chapter one by unknown person and is never mentioned again.

And this is Mo Dao Zu Shi – the book about Public Opinion and how it means jack shit. About people loving hot topics for the sake of hot topics. Noble cultivators, the most educated and experienced men of their land, wanted to kill Wei Wuxian.

Several hours later they wanted to kill Jin Guangyao.

AND WWX WAS THERE, SAW TIDE TURN AND MUSED OVER THIS FLEETING NATURE OF PUBLIC OPINION. One of the men who earlier today shouted death threats at him, now addressed him politely and asked if he's going to stay for banquet! WWX WENT FROM “ENEMY OF THE STATE” TO “ONE OF US” IN MATTER OF HOURS.

Because that’s how people are and it’s all over the book! They gossip, they believe what they are told in an instance, they change their opinion at the sound of twig snapping. It started in chapter one, it’s carried on in extras. Main character remarks on it repeatedly. And still...

TL;DR: JC killing WWX was a gossip spread by people, it may be true, it may be not. But if you DO believe it just because it’s stated by unknown someone, then how about Yiling Laozu’s harem?