#jh and lu

[daddy-ul]

I don't know if they are necessarily individuals when they are doing what they are doing.

-Greg Fidelman from The Metallica Report interview

personally i think that james and lars are the only two people that would put up with this technological nightmare just because they HAD to play music with each other, live, in real time. i really, genuinely think anyone else would give up because of the complications. but not them! never them.

[loozypoo]

Shy buddy

[lu-is-not-ok]

Hi! I saw your posts about Hong Lu & Heathcliff's dynamic (& really loved them, big fan of HL & Heaths dynamic) and I wanted to say, I also noticed how he seems the meanest to Heath, but I once saw a post suggesting that that may be the case because Heathcliff might be reminding HL of Jia Huan (specifically when they were younger and closer, how JH treated HL back then, so maybe he feels a sense of familiarity towards Heathcliff).

What do you think of that theory?

I'm ambivalent to that theory for now, as we don't know enough about Limbus's Jia Huan to say for sure. We only have, what, two lines of dialogue of his and one anecdote which might not even be a reliable source of information to go off of.

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[daddy-ul]

let me second that anon and say I too would very much appreciate any and all analysis of their friendship and James POV specifically. that 95 interview where he talks about Lars being the keeper of the secrets lives in my mind rent-free

i take this as a free rant card fhkdfhkdsdf not my fault.

let's talk about mr james trust issue hetfield, starting from 90s tallica (which. 👀👀👀 every time i talk abt it to my non tallica friends they are like "wh what the fuck?" and that's the only sane response)

when I think abt the codependency twins and secrets I usually think about this James interview from Rolling Stones 93

"There's little whispers and little games and little crap that goes on. But when it comes down to a problem, something serious going on, we go to each other, and there's no bullshit. When there's something serious being talked about, it's not talked about with the other guys or with anybody else. It's like an unwritten law. And I definitely like that."

I remember reading it and going "it was... almost normal, until you specified that 1) it was a silent law 2) you liked it that way

I dont think saying that James has trust issue is something controversial or new, so im taking that for granted to focus on WHEN he gives his trust and how with Lars he constantly gave it and took it away for DECADES.

A part from the fucked up part where you relish in having a secret deep bond that separates you from the rest of your bandmates + the fact that you dont even needed to state the rule for the rule to be born... what james is saying here is "when there is something important, i can trust him" and more specifically "i choose to go to him and no one else" (and the sentiment goes both ways but lars' side is not the point here) "because i trust him and not the other guys with what i consider important".

Now, imagine knowing this, having read this interview and many more, where EVEN IN THE 90S --even at the peak of rock 'n roll lifestyles, dysfunctions, white jackets, "little games, little whispers", aesthetic debates and so on-- you remember that EVEN THEN Lars talked about how the two of them had a lot of fights but couldn't bear to let pass more than 3 minutes before going to the other and apologize. And, uno mas: you have lars going around being happy that they both had children in the same year and talking about them growing older together!

THEN, be me in 2020, finally getting the This monster lives! book (the book abt the making of SKOM) and you read this:

JAMES: [...] I want to feel some trust. (to Lars) I just feel static all the time from you. PHIL: (to James) What would it take for you to trust him? JAMES: I have no idea. PHIL: No, what would it look like? JAMES: With him? I don't know. I don't know if I've ever seen it.

apart from me being gutted (bc believe me that if my 15+ year friend said that to me i would have had trouble breathing) i was.... disoriented? perplexed? like, yeah, it was a tough period and I can imagine that James would have some difficulty trusting Lars in that moment but... the last line? talking like trusting lars or lars being trust worthy was something that never could happen?? it. it doesn't make any sense.

He is not trying to be mean or hurt lars, he is being sincere and he is honestly trying to resolve their issues. He is saying what he is feeling in the moment.

and that goes even more sideways when Lars confesses his needs and vulnerabilities regarding James and--

JAMES: It doesn't hit me right... I don't know... PHIL: Doesn't hit you right, meaning you think he's bullshitting you? JAMES: Sure.

He doesn't even trust what Lars is saying IN THIS MOMENT. Not a word from his mouth. how could it be? How you can go from being weirdly proud of having a secret cult with only two members to *move hands* this.

He says, and i quote, "because there's been twenty years of mistrust", so basically every single year of their friendship (look at me jumping out of a bridge at this part because jesus FUCK it would hurt less). And look, I dont know them, and you can lie to the press, you can lie to the fans, you can act and pretend all you want bc it's the show business -- so it could be that all the times before james lied.

But if i believed in those lies,, so had Lars bc not long after that he fucked right off the room to take a breather.

But let's put to the side this, because Phil was a good therapist and took James through his reasonings about trust and especially why he feels this distrusting towards Lars in particular:

JAMES: [...] Like, when I walked in, I wanted to hug everyone in the room, but I didn't want to hug you. There's how I felt. It's not a lack of love. I didn't feel like touching you that way. I was carrying some of that ugliness, and it's not good for me. PHIL: And when he reached out for you, did you feel it was genuine? Or would you prefer to believe it wasn't, so you could feel safe? JAMES: Sure, that's the safest way to go, for sure. PHIL: So mistrust is a defence against being hurt. I mean, the more we find a reason not to trust somebody, the safer we feel. The closest relationships have the most difficulty with trust. JAMES: Uh-huh. KIRK: That's. Uh. Pretty amazing. JAMES: Because there is so much more to get hurt with, or so much to lose.

Basically, Lars was special.

That's it. That's the deal.

What James feels towards Lars is so big, it could go so wrong, it could hurt so much- that is better not opening to it, not trusting it --him.

Knowing this, all the parentheses click shut behind.

This is a big turning point in their approach to one another, imho. On Lars' end too, but you asked abt James so I'm gonna contain myself.

But I gotta say that, in MY OPINION, ABSOLUTELY OPINIONATED VIEW BASED ON WHAT I'VE SEEN AND NOTHING ELSE SO TAKE IT FOR WAT IT IS-- Lars after this learned not to need James so much, or he tried to. He confessed that he had a special need for him, to have a special connection, on a deeper level. And, like, it happens, when it happens in friendships is BRUTAL (have you ever considered someone your absolute bff to then discover they just thought you a casual friend? IMAGINE AFTER 20 YEARS).

So, to me, it felt like... He started to ask less, to ask of James what he would ask of his other friends and no more.

What did James do?

Started to point out how Lars was instrumental in the earlier days

Gave a lot more compliments and started to consistently underline in a positive way the length of their relationship

Saying OUT LOUD that he is special to him

Doing the weird thing that he does 85% of the time when the interviewer ask about Metallica in general and he just brings up Lars, only Lars. DUDE YOU HAVE OTHER 2 BAND MEMBERS (I don't think he does it consciously sjsjsjsjs and he loves rob and kirk! BUT DUDE)

I'm gonna expand the last one BC it was the first that I noticed back then. Mind you, Lars had always had Lars Privileges™️, I'm not even listing things bc it's everywhere, but now? like, 2005/6 going forward???? James consciously and openly let him and djjeksksksksk Lars noticed and basically did what he always does (the little shit): run with it to see how far he could push. Famously from that era: he wore NAKED AND SWEATY James embroidered bathrobe, saying that if someone could, that would be him, sitting on James' special stool, because he could. and then he started saying embarrassing shit about them in front of him, with James just ignoring him or looking in the middle distance, like "why the fuck he is like that" BUT LETTING HIM.

>>>>>> he lets them do whatever the fuck he wants with him.

HE STARTED TO SPELLING IT OUT, HE IS NOT AFRAID ANYMORE.

Where is the gifset abt the XXX anniversary where James said "I know that Lars is doing stuff behind me" --and Lars immediately starting doing that-- "but it's okay because only Lars can do that".

All of this to say: they always have been like this to a degree, now James just lets himself (and Lars) live it as it is.

Look at them being sixty and living their best weirdo life.

[daddy-ul]

I ended up really liking this story, not because of "ahah friends punching each other!" but bc of how the telling of the story changed over the years.

One of the most famous telling of the story is Lars telling it, joking, like "James punched me over a song!" And J laughing and saying "no, no, say it better, say it all", and then both of them telling basically the same thing here, Lars said yes to James but then started playing his song, and then the gut punch.

There was no animosity, it's a joke between the two of them. What's really different here is that... It's basically no longer interesting, it's not worth telling, the worth telling funny part is what Lars added here.

The Dr. No and Big Mouth pub adventures.

One of my favorite clips ever.

[ransleyravenpingol]

COM_PT6_SECONDBLOG

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Pingol, Ransley Raven F.

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[ridethecyanide]

November 23, 1999: Happy 23rd Anniversary to Symphony and Metallica

[fadetoblk]

[flyinghetfield]

rosshalfin: - a little behind the scenes Black Album Tour 1991.

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ah, there he goes again. if hong lu's expression changes at all, it is only to soften the slightest of amounts, cheery mask slipping only in microexpressions. smile dropping by just a hair, a slight twitch of a muscle betraying irritation. "you always think the worst of me, don't you?" the one time they try to be nice to him. honestly, though, it's not like their well-meaning advice would have meant much; if huan were to actually ride a warp train, he would surely purchase a first-class ticket, and be spared much of the trouble.

"familial concern... yes, i'm sure that's why you're here, and certainly not at father's request. right?" they let out a sigh, softened with a light hum, playing with their hair as they consider what to say. "to be honest, i'm not sure what he wants to hear... you can tell him i'm doing fine, i suppose. people can grow accustomed to anything, given enough time, after all."

with a glance to the side, they continue, "however--you say you're here to watch me work? have you gotten permission from my employer?" that's still such a strange thing to say, they think. the words feel strange leaving their mouth, a foreign object. who ever heard of an heir with an employer whose permission needs to be sought for things? "i work rather closely with w corp's singularity, you know. trade secrets and all."

though, they suppose there are ways around that, if necessary...

' flattering yourself already ? ' he could laugh ; he could spit , but he holds back the venom and bile climbing up treacherous in the back of his throat , just enough to keep himself from any ill indulgence . it wouldn't do to give into the furious temptation to lop the other's head off right where they stood , after all . not while they were still an employee , "respectable" or otherwise ...

though really , just what in the world had their father been thinking ? was hong lu's blood and sweat any more valuable than tears and gloom ? to think the beloved tíng princess would be sent out and dressed up like a filthy janitor in a place like this , sent to work just as obliviously as they had once sat . of course , therein lay every plausible relation : lavish and marless , no different from hong lu's own guises , the veneer of this world beneath which resided filth and more filth .

if jia huan were any more of an animal , then he might have gagged and thrown up on the other's shoes on the spot .

' where i go is none of your business , ' he snaps , ' but if you want to prostrate yourself before your dear brother's unexpected appearance , then you may . ' here , the arrogant curl of his lip . the ice-cold heat of his gaze . ' trying to send me away already ? at least grow some subtlety . ' with this , he truly would have liked to turn away if only to spare himself any more nonsense . alas , it would seem that just this once , he would have to bitterly accept the fact that hong lu had landed a lucky guess .

' family should take care of family , see ? i've come to check up on you and watch how the jia's precious jade makes a fool of itself and works after all . of course , i'm sure that you won't mind . ' it's a statement already without the freedom of the other's choice . ' why don't you tell me how you like it here so far ? if anything , i can see that insufferable smile of yours still hasn't changed . '

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[fetch-the-hammer]

James Hetfield and Lars Ulrich | 1984

[daddy-ul]

Since it seems everyone is in jlars analysis mode, I wanted to know your thoughts on this- some time was spent in James's 72 Seasons interview discussing the greater amount of collaboration on 72 Seasons and specifically how it was a divergence from a creative process mostly guided by James and Lars as a pair. I was intrigued by James saying "I don’t want to sit there with Lars and create the songs anymore" and that "Lars eventually understood" why James was looking for this greater collaboration (which indicates some hesitation on Lars's part). Steffan said he was going to ask Lars what that process was like, but he didn't really und up question Lars about it directly in his interview. If you had to make an inference, what do you think Lars's reaction was like considering how much of their relationship (and trust) has been entangled in this exclusive, special creative process of theirs?

Really nice question! In Italy we have a saying "come invitare un'oca a bere" (lit: almost like asking/inviting a duck to drink) meaning line, hook, sinker, here is my opinion fhkjkshdkfjhskfhsdfkj

Sorry if this wasn't the answer you expected.

You can see that post HQ, post St. Anger, when they are in the middle of the creative process (not the recording), they are all there -more or less, Kirk's lost phone and other shenanigans. If you open up a random Mission Metallica vid, you'll see the four of them there discussing riff placements and stuff. So, again, it's not a shocking reality, it has def not been James-and-Lars in Lars' basement for a while now. But I too I was interested in how James worded this approach, the fact he took on the responsibility of ensuring that every opinion got heard.

Long story short: I don't think it was a big shake for Lars.

Long story long:

I remember reading that part of James' interview and going "oh?", because even if the opening up process is years in the making, it feels a bit new in the how it's enforced.

It's a new approach, for sure, and Metallica always tries new ways.

"Lars eventually understood" to me is not dramatic or angsty. I don't think it was something he need to understand on an emotional level, more... pragmatically.

There is this quote that I dont have handy but it's basically Lars saying that sometimes he gets frustrated when there is someone else beside them in the creative process, because it feels like even if the song is on step one, when James and Lars talk about it, they are already 3-4 steps ahead but on the same step. [end of paraphrasing]

So, when they talk, they are already there on step 5, and some one would be like "wait, what?" and they have to stop, turn and explain etc etc. This feels frustrating for him, bc it takes time and interrupts the flow. Lars is a bit... idk if you noticed... eager, impatient fjdhfjksfhkd he frowns, he pouts and he is bouncing on his seat if you dont get it and you are interrupting what should be already be going going going.

Imagine that kid at school that when the teacher asks a question to a classmate, after 5 seconds of silence they speak up and answer instead, bc c'moooon, let's move on, they don't knowwww. That hfdsjhfjsdfhjfh sometimes Lars looks like that.

And, I mean, I get it? He has been doing this since forever, he knows how to do it, how to do it well, and has a set of tools to work out every musical problem under the sun. So if you know that, for that specific thing, you need that specific spanner, you say so and move on, because that's the way you've always solved that issue. James wanted to try new stuff, new points of view, so basically they tried every spanner or wench or whatever to see if alternative creative solutions would be better. I can see why at first could feel like a drag.

IMHO, that was the obstacle, and that's what Lars had to accept.

For the "I don’t want to sit there with Lars and create the songs anymore" part, there is an asterisk, like, it's implied "... like we used to". And I get that, to create different music you have to try different things. Also, Metallica doesn't like getting too comfortable, and what's more comfortable than doing what you've done since day one?

I talked abt the asterisk, because the album itself is the proof that he didn't mean it literally. Big ass example: Inamorata.

Who is credited for Inamorata? Who listened via zoom to that haunting riff and said "wait, what's that"?

To sum it up: I don't think Lars had to compromise nothing more than his patience fhdkshfkjsdf and I dont think he considers Kirk and Rob outsiders of the creative process, they don't waltz at the same speed and tempo he and James do, yeah, but I don't think he lives it as an intrusion or something like that. Especially nowadays he is more calm and chill, I think he was just struggling against his innate instinct to waltz right through the process with James like they have fun doing, but in the meantime maybe they all learned some new moves!

[daddy-ul]

(via metallikaya, knzay-blog-blog)

[krkhmmtt]

favourite kirk looks 1/∞ – these funky yellow shorts (?)