#jack is incoherent

[kuroshika]

hey. *reaches for your face without warning and adjusts your glasses* where do you fall on the spectrum?

[liz-wes]

Holy hell... we're in trouble. So much trouble.

THE ARTFUL DODGER, 1.06 "Bully in the Alley"

[1000emotions]

this convo shows jack asking john about john’s father, and they talk about how he died when john was young and that jack wasn’t missing much by not getting to meet him. then, john tells jack that he’s not going anywhere.

john is trying to be the father that he didnt have as a kid, to give jack the reassurances that john wanted to get. john wanted to keep this promise so badly :(

[farenmaddox]

SPN wild theory time

I will just go ahead and start with my thesis statement: I don't think that Jack killed Mary.

With that out of the way, let's get into my warnings for this post: 1. There will be spoilers for Seasons 11-15 of Supernatural 2. I wasn't in this fandom 5-6 years ago when these episodes were coming out; maybe you guys already talked this all out and your entire response is going to be "we already went through this, dude." 3. This post is actually like 3-4 posts in a trenchcoat. I may have gone slightly overboard.

All that said, buckle up, here we go.

Chuck's "omniscience" is questionable. He has been surprised by Dean's decision-making and been upset about it, and has admitted that Castiel is someone whose actions often contradict Chuck's narrative. So, by his own admission, he doesn't/can't know everything.

However, he always thinks ahead and always has multiple ideas on how to solve a situation, and he always has a contingency plan.

First, let's look at how he handled the Amara situation. I would characterize Chuck's behavior in Season 11 as writing a self-insert fic. Chuck is a writer, after all. He knew that Dean taking the Mark of Cain would either lead to Dean's destruction or to Amara being released, so he would have been ready for Amara to appear well before she actually did. But it's only in episode 11x20 that he chooses to do anything about it, ostensibly because Metatron talks him into it. We already see signs that he's kind of "done" with the prime world and the Winchesters here, but then Metratron convinces him to give it another go, and that's when it becomes self-insert fic.

He displays the ability to absorb Amara into himself in episode 15x17, so I think this was always the contingency plan if all else failed. But he wanted to be in the story. He wanted to be on the team and be a hero, so he joins up to do the big assault on Amara plan that is carried out in 11x22. I truly do not think he foresaw that Amara would win that fight. And with how badly wounded he is, the contingency plan is no longer viable. So he has to go with the Dean-as-a-bomb plan. He was already thinking about letting it all go to shit, so this is fine. But then Dean wants to save the day with his faith in familial love, which Chuck definitely didn't see coming. I think Chuck lets it happen despite the fact that he doesn't actually give two shits about Amara just because Dean is his favorite and has managed to surprise him so maybe the world should go on a little longer.

All of this is just establishing a baseline of Chuck-ness. Now we're going to talk about Jack.

See, I don't think Chuck ever planned on Jack actually being carried to term and surviving. The wild card, as always, is Cas. Who, when he had a chance to kill a nephilim (a thing he has done before! a thing he has assisted in doing in the past! it's a sure bet for Chuck!)...doesn't do that. But that's okay (Chuck thinks)! The Winchesters will probably kill the kid! And if they don't, and Lucifer wins, then Chuck can swoop in and be like "my beautiful son and my beautiful grandson, oh my me, this is delightful, we should be a family" and then kill them both.

Dean hating Jack was absolutely Chuck's first choice of potential plots for how to take care of the Jack problem when it turns out that there is going to be a Jack. He likes that story. It surely fills him with glee that Sam doesn't hate Jack and Dean does. But then... fuck, it's Castiel, again! Chuck had no involvement in Cas being resurrected, for once. No way to predict that one. And Cas being back means that Dean doesn't hate Jack and isn't going to kill him, especially since Jack helps them get Mary back, which sucks for Chuck, who is now very committed to this storyline of Dean killing Jack. Don't forget, Chuck can kill Jack whenever he wants. But he wants Dean to do it. He's bored and done with Dean and is ready for Dean to be dead.

So, how do we get Dean to kill Jack? Well, obviously Cas's death doesn't goad him to do it because the fucker just can't stay dead, so it has to be Sam or Mary. And it can't be Sam, because Sam has to watch Dean kill Jack and himself. That's the story. So it has to be Mary, right?

Chuck just has to wait for the right moment.

Jack has a strong sense of fear about hurting people by the time of Mary's death. 13x06 and 14x16 are some critical episodes where we see how he feels and reacts to hurting innocent people. And he seems to have pretty good control over his powers as well. He had just recently had a conversation with Donatello (in 14x15) about how easy it is to continue doing the right thing without a soul. His decision to kill Felix the snake was very much on purpose and very controlled, and honestly can everyone shut up about the snake. Jack fucking loved that snake. It was sick and nobody else knew how to help Felix either. He euthanized a sick pet.

So it is hard to believe that Jack just randomly lost control of his powers and killed someone whom he had no reason to kill. That's not really consistent with Jack's behavior. Even when he's in a complete rage in 14x20 after what Sam and Dean did to him, he doesn't kill them. At his most angry and while experiencing a huge surge in power, he somehow doesn't kill Sam and Dean. But we're expected to believe that in 14x17, he just "accidentally" flies off the handle and kills Mary.

The thing that is genuinely so crucial is that we do not see Mary's death in 14x17. It does not happen on screen. Deaths in this show always happen on screen, and it's not on screen. All we see is her face near Jack's, and the next episode all we see is the blast site. I think that the reason we don't get to see it is because it didn't actually happen the way we're told it did.

The fact that Mary can't be resurrected? That's weird, and new. That literally never happens. Everyone can be resurrected. People who were turned into paste by archangels can be resurrected. People who have been cremated can be resurrected. But Mary can't be? That's got Chuck's smell all over it.

Jack thinks he killed Mary, but he fucking didn't. Chuck did it. Chuck smote the shit out of that woman and Jack doesn't have any other explanation for what happened. I don't even think he is actually hallucinating Lucifer. Soulless guy who "doesn't feel guilt" and doesn't want Lucifer in his subconscious but somehow can't get rid of him? It's Chuck. It's Chuck dressed up as Lucifer to keep Jack on the edge and convince him it was his fault so he can lead everybody to the grand finale.

And then stupid Dean ruins the story and doesn't kill Jack. Which Chuck should have seen coming, because this is what happened with Amara! But he didn't, because sometimes Chuck actually doesn't know things! It's okay though (Chuck thinks), because Chuck always has a contingency plan. He has always been able to kill Jack whenever he wanted, and if Dean's not going to do it, Chuck might as well. So he does.

I'm telling you. Chuck killed Mary. Jack didn't do it.

[xshimaeraxx]

fUCKING DREAMSMP IS BACK BABYYYY

aND YALL THOIGHT WE WERE CRINGE FOR NEVER MOVING ON. OH YOU THOUGHT

[its-short-for-jackalope]

I am a simple man, Pulp Musicals says

and I simply

[wylanslcve]

If there's one thing you should know about me it's that these two simply exist and suddenly it's no thoughts head empty just *cricket noises*

[hugheses]

Wish my life was as organised as your blog 🥲

Hope this isn’t a dumb question but I’m kind of new to the world of JH and I’ve only seen bits a pieces of interviews or media etc out of order. He seemed like such a happy little soul when he was younger (usntp, etc) - do you think he has changed much as he’s gotten older/ dealt with press, injuries, criticism, etc etc or is it just growing up? Not saying he seems UNhappier necessarily or to discount his achievements but people change a lot in their early twenties and obvs he has now had to deal with the kind of challenges and disappointments that (I presume) he never had to as a child/pre-draft.

Curious to hear your thoughts! ❤️

well first of all my life is not as organized as this blog is either 😭😭

to me i think what makes jack such an interesting figure to psychoanalyze is that he’s so contradictory. he loves the spotlight and yet is embarrassed when he’s too enthusiastic or emotional (luke’s draft, the arviddson thing, etc) and hates doing media scrums. he hated his rookie year and yet still thought he was “the man”. not to get all annoying former gifted kid but i think there are real comparisons to be made there. like this was a child prodigy who was so confident and so cocky, and then hit the nhl and struggled hard, without the supports and scaffolding he’d had his entire life. something particularly unique about jack is that unlike most elite hockey players, he never billeted anywhere or went to boarding school or anything until he played for the devils. their family up and moved to michigan for him. (there were other circumstances also lol) of course he had struggles before, but he also always had his mom and of course his brothers that he’s extremely close to right there with him. obviously the difficulty and physicality of the nhl was a huge whack in the face for him, but so was adjusting to like, real life, alone. so i think he has definitely changed but even in saying that, he has maintained sort of an almost delusional level of self confidence even when things were going horribly, as seen in this espn feature. i also really like this article about his rookie year because it includes quotes from people who know him.

i think really i would say that everything he's been through, and growing up generally, has hardened him. i don't think he's depressed and miserable all of the time but yeah, he's not the same starry eyed 18 year old who was pointing everywhere at his draft. but i do think you see that "old jack" come out sometimes when he's being luke's big brother, or talking to a reporter he's comfortable with, or interacting with kids. he keeps his cards much closer to his chest now but we get little bits here and there. i am curious to see if we will get to hear at all about how his injury/surgery impacted him, bc historically he hasn't wanted to talk about that stuff but i so love to study him in my lab. and yet he resists vulnerability because he doesn't support women's hobbies.

[mwagneto]

since we were together. is that why you wont take me back. is that what you think. busy life moving on. youre an impossible thing jack. you abandoned me. did he fix you. hard way to live. a lot of people feel safe standing next to you but i never have. it'd break my heart. they break my heart

[bluecatwriter]

A scene from yesterday:

[dee-in-the-box]

so uh. anyone who's read my fic (or has just seen my headcanons in general) knows my headcanon about this, but this time i'm talking canonically.

do y'all think Henry knew who Jack was by the time he hired him?

like, canonically speaking, we know that Jack got his job at the diner after Dee was murdered.

do you think Henry recognized him as the guy that dropped Dee off at the diner on her birthday?

do you think he saw Jack come in for work, perhaps drunk from trying to drown his sorrows, applying for the nightguard position, and knowing exactly why he was there?

(after all, there are cameras. and Jack would have very few (or even no) reasons to want to work there otherwise)

do you think that was the reason he chose to frame Jack specifically? to add insult to injury? he already killed this guy's little sister, and now he's going to get the man put in prison for her murder.

the same man who got this job to figure out what happened to her.

(^ kinda speculation, but we know Jack got the job after Dee was murdered, pretty soon afterwards in fact. at this point, her disappearance likely wasn't being investigated as a murder. like, isn't it Very Heavily implied that Jack got the job to find out what happened to Dee? or am i missing something?)

do you think he saw Jack bleeding out, knowing that Jack had possibly gotten answers at the cost of his life?

do you think Henry knew who Jack was, canonically?

[jawlipops]

the pandora hearts au as promised LOLL

im gonna guess this au makes 0 fucking sense unless u’ve read ph but u can read my 4am summary under goodluck

its the glen and child of ill omen situation between mykr, with kuros red eyes it was honestly kind of perfect. they were all part of this fancy victorian academy, and are known as the class that mysteriously disappeared some hundred years ago, and its bc of nana. maya does the succession thing and tosses clau into the abyss and everything falls apart. nana is devastated and pulls a xerxes to get an audience with the will of the abyss. she creates for her a chain, the Prince, that lets her rewind back to the day of the succession, and drag all of her classmates into a dimension where time rewinds from the start of the yr to the succession. naturally at somepoint hikaris like “where is my childhood bestie karen :(” and she goes looking for her. and before long she’s able to infriltrate into nana’s dimension. shit goes down from there

im thinking like they eventually do all get out of the dimension, but at the cost of maya staying behind. mykr have this ouughgg super dramatic like “I find you again, promise you’ll wait for me” parting while claudine is getting dragged towards the light and everythings crumbling around them and maya just looks up at her super emo and promises. they land back in the normal world a few hundred years into the future, and then its claudines Get her gf back quest

[tophatcats]

l. leg.

[ID: A limited color palette doodle of Fumi from the visual novel Jack Jeanne wearing the outfit from his 2023 halloween illustration. The drawing is mostly greyscale except for spot coloring for his eyes, hair, and skin.]

[xshimaeraxx]

“I’m sorry, so you’re saying there’s an entire online underground community of spirits?”

“… Yes, vhat is so.”

“And you didn’t tell me this just why, exactly?”

“Bunny was afraid you’d prank half of the servers into oblivion,” Tooth chirps, cheery as anything. Sandy’s already got out the popcorn, Jack notes out of the corner of his eyes from where he’s standing opposite from the liar-liar-tail-on-fire, living cottontail in front of him.

“… C’mon, mate, y’gotta admit that it was a valid fear at th’time —”

“It was, I’ll give you that, but I’ve also been a Guardian for over 150 years now. You cannot tell me you still didn’t trust me to not immediately shut down half of the spirit world’s online communities as soon as I was given the damn passwords after we’d gotten past the five-year frienemyship mark, Cottontail.”

“… Y’know, I hate it when ya get all logical.”

“You mean it turns you on?”

Bunny chokes, the red of his ears brightening in what Jack had learned was the Pooka’s version of blushing, and then says, rather abruptly:

“WELL SEEMS LIKE I GOTTA GO, SOME AUTUMN SPRITE IS, UH — TRYNA MESS UP ME WARREN, YEAH, UHM — JACK, NORTH, TOOTHIE, SANDY, I’LL SEE ALL A’YA AT THE NEXT MEETIN’!”

The over-grown not-rabbit then stamps one foot against the ground rather too harder then what Jack knows is necessary, and jumps into the rabbit hole as soon as it opens, the insides of his ears just as red as they’d been when Jack had said that stupid, stupid little “joke” of his, damn his too-loose tongue.

A single, lone snowdrop flower is left in its place.

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a short extract from a silly rotg/rise of the guardians crack (but with ✨pining✨) fic im working on :winkwink:

[technofinch]

for the background ask game - mulligan ❓✨🍑🗑️

❓ - Estranged family/relatives they've never met

"Estranged" is a strong word but he's never been super close with his parents, after his dad died he only went back to see his mother once. She sometimes talked about taking him to see her relatives in Quebec, but they never had the time/ money. I think if he spent any time with his cousins they would get into. So much trouble (and now i kinda wanna see it)

✨ - Children (current or future)

Ahahahaha <3 Mulligan has a notoriously fucked up relationship with Jameson, the only one of his kids that he's actually met. He feels bad about it in like 7 different ways but is honestly glad that he wasn't involved in the child raising in any way. He would also rather not meet any of his other kids, but the gm has threatened a mariner's revenge/boy named sue situation and I would LOVE to see it

🍑 - Notable flings

There's Samantha, Jameson's mom, who didn't particularly want a child but was married to a high ranking military officer and needed the divorce to be his idea. (There's a lot of reasons Jameson turned out kinda fucked don't worry about it)

There's also Catherine, a fellow marine who slept with mulligan twice because her wife didn't really want kids (the first one was raised by their relatives). That was also a fucked up relationship but honestly that one isnt mulligan's fault

🗑️ - "It's complicated"

JAAACK jack halderson my beloved first mate badass engineer accounting degree non binary aromantic bestie. They have the weirdest fucking Thing with mulligan bc mulligan is stupid and thinks it's improper to develop feelings for "subordinates" even tho jack literally slept with every member of the last ship they were on INCLUDING the captain. And jack likes that mulligan isn't trying to sleep with them but also kinda wishes he'd Figure His Shit Out so they can get Real weird with it. But basically mulligan cares about and trusts jack more than anyone else in the universe. And jack claims that they only stick around bc mulligan owes them money. He keeps paying them back but they just gaslight him into thinking he didn't. So they're kind of extorting him but it's only bc they're being tsundere about it. Also mulligan physically put himself between jack and an attacking xenomorph bc he caaares. Jack is literally the only person he trusts with his ship. Also everyone assumes they're fucking and mulligan gets confused and flustered every time. AND ALSO when we were stuck on a backwater scrap heap with everything gone to shit & mulligan trying desperately to relapse into alcoholism, all of the other employees and stuff were absolutely terrified and refused to give him any sort of booze and he thought that Julio had talked to them (bc he's the ships surgeon and new to the crew and a huge bitch a real stickler) but NO we find out later that it was JACK who went around threatening people in order to keep mulligan safe and sober <3

If you can't tell jack is the love of my life and I would do anything for them and it's extra funny bc me and the gm were explicitly planning on NOT giving them any sort of romantic/sexual tension and then. It happened anyway. The unbreakable bond of a captain and first mate

EDIT i didn't even MENTION jackbox nights (mulligan and jack have an underground fight club that's basically just the two of them beating the shit out of each other. To blow off steam and definitely not any sort of intricate ritual)

[ilkkawhat]

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