#jack is incoherent

[bee--28]

Santa Fe isn't real, that's the whole point. Jack was never going to move out west. He never was gonna leave New York. It's a hopeless pipedream, something he knows he'll never get. "I'm saving up" No you're not, you don't have the income to be able to save up. He had to steal food to survive because he didn't have the money to buy it. "Are we going to roll over and let Pulizer pick our pockets" He HAS been doing that this whole time anyways.

Santa Fe is just a dream, it will never be a reality. Believing that it could one day maybe be true is kinda really all that kept Jack going.

[kuroshika]

hey. *reaches for your face without warning and adjusts your glasses* where do you fall on the spectrum?

[kelseas-ballerini]

Holy hell... we're in trouble. So much trouble.

THE ARTFUL DODGER, 1.06 "Bully in the Alley"

[pondslime]

JACK KLUGMAN as JUROR 5 (1/2) 12 ANGRY MEN (1957) dir. Sidney Lumet

[1000emotions]

this convo shows jack asking john about john’s father, and they talk about how he died when john was young and that jack wasn’t missing much by not getting to meet him. then, john tells jack that he’s not going anywhere.

john is trying to be the father that he didnt have as a kid, to give jack the reassurances that john wanted to get. john wanted to keep this promise so badly :(

[understandably-odd]

irving is the father figure to helly that helena wishes she had. he loves helly. he sacrifices his life for helly. he is gentle with helly, apologizes to her, cradles her, sees her for who she is and loves her for it. i think it probably wrecked helena to know that someone cared for a version of her like that but that she never got the chance to experience that love for herself.

[neodiekido]

worst feeling in the world is when there's someone who's actually pretty media literate but then they're Weird about maki

[farenmaddox]

SPN wild theory time

I will just go ahead and start with my thesis statement: I don't think that Jack killed Mary.

With that out of the way, let's get into my warnings for this post: 1. There will be spoilers for Seasons 11-15 of Supernatural 2. I wasn't in this fandom 5-6 years ago when these episodes were coming out; maybe you guys already talked this all out and your entire response is going to be "we already went through this, dude." 3. This post is actually like 3-4 posts in a trenchcoat. I may have gone slightly overboard.

All that said, buckle up, here we go.

Chuck's "omniscience" is questionable. He has been surprised by Dean's decision-making and been upset about it, and has admitted that Castiel is someone whose actions often contradict Chuck's narrative. So, by his own admission, he doesn't/can't know everything.

However, he always thinks ahead and always has multiple ideas on how to solve a situation, and he always has a contingency plan.

First, let's look at how he handled the Amara situation. I would characterize Chuck's behavior in Season 11 as writing a self-insert fic. Chuck is a writer, after all. He knew that Dean taking the Mark of Cain would either lead to Dean's destruction or to Amara being released, so he would have been ready for Amara to appear well before she actually did. But it's only in episode 11x20 that he chooses to do anything about it, ostensibly because Metatron talks him into it. We already see signs that he's kind of "done" with the prime world and the Winchesters here, but then Metratron convinces him to give it another go, and that's when it becomes self-insert fic.

He displays the ability to absorb Amara into himself in episode 15x17, so I think this was always the contingency plan if all else failed. But he wanted to be in the story. He wanted to be on the team and be a hero, so he joins up to do the big assault on Amara plan that is carried out in 11x22. I truly do not think he foresaw that Amara would win that fight. And with how badly wounded he is, the contingency plan is no longer viable. So he has to go with the Dean-as-a-bomb plan. He was already thinking about letting it all go to shit, so this is fine. But then Dean wants to save the day with his faith in familial love, which Chuck definitely didn't see coming. I think Chuck lets it happen despite the fact that he doesn't actually give two shits about Amara just because Dean is his favorite and has managed to surprise him so maybe the world should go on a little longer.

All of this is just establishing a baseline of Chuck-ness. Now we're going to talk about Jack.

See, I don't think Chuck ever planned on Jack actually being carried to term and surviving. The wild card, as always, is Cas. Who, when he had a chance to kill a nephilim (a thing he has done before! a thing he has assisted in doing in the past! it's a sure bet for Chuck!)...doesn't do that. But that's okay (Chuck thinks)! The Winchesters will probably kill the kid! And if they don't, and Lucifer wins, then Chuck can swoop in and be like "my beautiful son and my beautiful grandson, oh my me, this is delightful, we should be a family" and then kill them both.

Dean hating Jack was absolutely Chuck's first choice of potential plots for how to take care of the Jack problem when it turns out that there is going to be a Jack. He likes that story. It surely fills him with glee that Sam doesn't hate Jack and Dean does. But then... fuck, it's Castiel, again! Chuck had no involvement in Cas being resurrected, for once. No way to predict that one. And Cas being back means that Dean doesn't hate Jack and isn't going to kill him, especially since Jack helps them get Mary back, which sucks for Chuck, who is now very committed to this storyline of Dean killing Jack. Don't forget, Chuck can kill Jack whenever he wants. But he wants Dean to do it. He's bored and done with Dean and is ready for Dean to be dead.

So, how do we get Dean to kill Jack? Well, obviously Cas's death doesn't goad him to do it because the fucker just can't stay dead, so it has to be Sam or Mary. And it can't be Sam, because Sam has to watch Dean kill Jack and himself. That's the story. So it has to be Mary, right?

Chuck just has to wait for the right moment.

Jack has a strong sense of fear about hurting people by the time of Mary's death. 13x06 and 14x16 are some critical episodes where we see how he feels and reacts to hurting innocent people. And he seems to have pretty good control over his powers as well. He had just recently had a conversation with Donatello (in 14x15) about how easy it is to continue doing the right thing without a soul. His decision to kill Felix the snake was very much on purpose and very controlled, and honestly can everyone shut up about the snake. Jack fucking loved that snake. It was sick and nobody else knew how to help Felix either. He euthanized a sick pet.

So it is hard to believe that Jack just randomly lost control of his powers and killed someone whom he had no reason to kill. That's not really consistent with Jack's behavior. Even when he's in a complete rage in 14x20 after what Sam and Dean did to him, he doesn't kill them. At his most angry and while experiencing a huge surge in power, he somehow doesn't kill Sam and Dean. But we're expected to believe that in 14x17, he just "accidentally" flies off the handle and kills Mary.

The thing that is genuinely so crucial is that we do not see Mary's death in 14x17. It does not happen on screen. Deaths in this show always happen on screen, and it's not on screen. All we see is her face near Jack's, and the next episode all we see is the blast site. I think that the reason we don't get to see it is because it didn't actually happen the way we're told it did.

The fact that Mary can't be resurrected? That's weird, and new. That literally never happens. Everyone can be resurrected. People who were turned into paste by archangels can be resurrected. People who have been cremated can be resurrected. But Mary can't be? That's got Chuck's smell all over it.

Jack thinks he killed Mary, but he fucking didn't. Chuck did it. Chuck smote the shit out of that woman and Jack doesn't have any other explanation for what happened. I don't even think he is actually hallucinating Lucifer. Soulless guy who "doesn't feel guilt" and doesn't want Lucifer in his subconscious but somehow can't get rid of him? It's Chuck. It's Chuck dressed up as Lucifer to keep Jack on the edge and convince him it was his fault so he can lead everybody to the grand finale.

And then stupid Dean ruins the story and doesn't kill Jack. Which Chuck should have seen coming, because this is what happened with Amara! But he didn't, because sometimes Chuck actually doesn't know things! It's okay though (Chuck thinks), because Chuck always has a contingency plan. He has always been able to kill Jack whenever he wanted, and if Dean's not going to do it, Chuck might as well. So he does.

I'm telling you. Chuck killed Mary. Jack didn't do it.

[nyc-pizza-rat]

@eeveestoneson's tags got me all fucked in the head!!!! s14 au where chuck is not really the villain anymore and he's not in there at all. and jack really does die and no one can do anything about it and dean and cas have nasty pathetic sad grief sex and then cas gets pregnant with a new nephilim baby and he doesn't abort that thang but he also doesn't tell dean until it becomes like a Situation™ and then it's just. INSANE. IMAGINE. IM SO INTO THISSS.

[mwagneto]

since we were together. is that why you wont take me back. is that what you think. busy life moving on. youre an impossible thing jack. you abandoned me. did he fix you. hard way to live. a lot of people feel safe standing next to you but i never have. it'd break my heart. they break my heart

[x-lee-cya]

fUCKING DREAMSMP IS BACK BABYYYY

aND YALL THOIGHT WE WERE CRINGE FOR NEVER MOVING ON. OH YOU THOUGHT

[its-short-for-jackalope]

I am a simple man, Pulp Musicals says

and I simply

[fourx]

I hope i articulate this well but i appreciate those who follow me for my art who aren't into object shows or could careless it is fan work. it means a lot truly

[cosmickoshi]

If there's one thing you should know about me it's that these two simply exist and suddenly it's no thoughts head empty just *cricket noises*

[bluecatwriter]

A scene from yesterday:

[dee-in-the-box]

so uh. anyone who's read my fic (or has just seen my headcanons in general) knows my headcanon about this, but this time i'm talking canonically.

do y'all think Henry knew who Jack was by the time he hired him?

like, canonically speaking, we know that Jack got his job at the diner after Dee was murdered.

do you think Henry recognized him as the guy that dropped Dee off at the diner on her birthday?

do you think he saw Jack come in for work, perhaps drunk from trying to drown his sorrows, applying for the nightguard position, and knowing exactly why he was there?

(after all, there are cameras. and Jack would have very few (or even no) reasons to want to work there otherwise)

do you think that was the reason he chose to frame Jack specifically? to add insult to injury? he already killed this guy's little sister, and now he's going to get the man put in prison for her murder.

the same man who got this job to figure out what happened to her.

(^ kinda speculation, but we know Jack got the job after Dee was murdered, pretty soon afterwards in fact. at this point, her disappearance likely wasn't being investigated as a murder. like, isn't it Very Heavily implied that Jack got the job to find out what happened to Dee? or am i missing something?)

do you think he saw Jack bleeding out, knowing that Jack had possibly gotten answers at the cost of his life?

do you think Henry knew who Jack was, canonically?