#jack is incoherent

[kuroshika]

hey. *reaches for your face without warning and adjusts your glasses* where do you fall on the spectrum?

[kelseas-ballerini]

Holy hell... we're in trouble. So much trouble.

THE ARTFUL DODGER, 1.06 "Bully in the Alley"

[1000emotions]

this convo shows jack asking john about john’s father, and they talk about how he died when john was young and that jack wasn’t missing much by not getting to meet him. then, john tells jack that he’s not going anywhere.

john is trying to be the father that he didnt have as a kid, to give jack the reassurances that john wanted to get. john wanted to keep this promise so badly :(

[farenmaddox]

SPN wild theory time

I will just go ahead and start with my thesis statement: I don't think that Jack killed Mary.

With that out of the way, let's get into my warnings for this post: 1. There will be spoilers for Seasons 11-15 of Supernatural 2. I wasn't in this fandom 5-6 years ago when these episodes were coming out; maybe you guys already talked this all out and your entire response is going to be "we already went through this, dude." 3. This post is actually like 3-4 posts in a trenchcoat. I may have gone slightly overboard.

All that said, buckle up, here we go.

Chuck's "omniscience" is questionable. He has been surprised by Dean's decision-making and been upset about it, and has admitted that Castiel is someone whose actions often contradict Chuck's narrative. So, by his own admission, he doesn't/can't know everything.

However, he always thinks ahead and always has multiple ideas on how to solve a situation, and he always has a contingency plan.

First, let's look at how he handled the Amara situation. I would characterize Chuck's behavior in Season 11 as writing a self-insert fic. Chuck is a writer, after all. He knew that Dean taking the Mark of Cain would either lead to Dean's destruction or to Amara being released, so he would have been ready for Amara to appear well before she actually did. But it's only in episode 11x20 that he chooses to do anything about it, ostensibly because Metatron talks him into it. We already see signs that he's kind of "done" with the prime world and the Winchesters here, but then Metratron convinces him to give it another go, and that's when it becomes self-insert fic.

He displays the ability to absorb Amara into himself in episode 15x17, so I think this was always the contingency plan if all else failed. But he wanted to be in the story. He wanted to be on the team and be a hero, so he joins up to do the big assault on Amara plan that is carried out in 11x22. I truly do not think he foresaw that Amara would win that fight. And with how badly wounded he is, the contingency plan is no longer viable. So he has to go with the Dean-as-a-bomb plan. He was already thinking about letting it all go to shit, so this is fine. But then Dean wants to save the day with his faith in familial love, which Chuck definitely didn't see coming. I think Chuck lets it happen despite the fact that he doesn't actually give two shits about Amara just because Dean is his favorite and has managed to surprise him so maybe the world should go on a little longer.

All of this is just establishing a baseline of Chuck-ness. Now we're going to talk about Jack.

See, I don't think Chuck ever planned on Jack actually being carried to term and surviving. The wild card, as always, is Cas. Who, when he had a chance to kill a nephilim (a thing he has done before! a thing he has assisted in doing in the past! it's a sure bet for Chuck!)...doesn't do that. But that's okay (Chuck thinks)! The Winchesters will probably kill the kid! And if they don't, and Lucifer wins, then Chuck can swoop in and be like "my beautiful son and my beautiful grandson, oh my me, this is delightful, we should be a family" and then kill them both.

Dean hating Jack was absolutely Chuck's first choice of potential plots for how to take care of the Jack problem when it turns out that there is going to be a Jack. He likes that story. It surely fills him with glee that Sam doesn't hate Jack and Dean does. But then... fuck, it's Castiel, again! Chuck had no involvement in Cas being resurrected, for once. No way to predict that one. And Cas being back means that Dean doesn't hate Jack and isn't going to kill him, especially since Jack helps them get Mary back, which sucks for Chuck, who is now very committed to this storyline of Dean killing Jack. Don't forget, Chuck can kill Jack whenever he wants. But he wants Dean to do it. He's bored and done with Dean and is ready for Dean to be dead.

So, how do we get Dean to kill Jack? Well, obviously Cas's death doesn't goad him to do it because the fucker just can't stay dead, so it has to be Sam or Mary. And it can't be Sam, because Sam has to watch Dean kill Jack and himself. That's the story. So it has to be Mary, right?

Chuck just has to wait for the right moment.

Jack has a strong sense of fear about hurting people by the time of Mary's death. 13x06 and 14x16 are some critical episodes where we see how he feels and reacts to hurting innocent people. And he seems to have pretty good control over his powers as well. He had just recently had a conversation with Donatello (in 14x15) about how easy it is to continue doing the right thing without a soul. His decision to kill Felix the snake was very much on purpose and very controlled, and honestly can everyone shut up about the snake. Jack fucking loved that snake. It was sick and nobody else knew how to help Felix either. He euthanized a sick pet.

So it is hard to believe that Jack just randomly lost control of his powers and killed someone whom he had no reason to kill. That's not really consistent with Jack's behavior. Even when he's in a complete rage in 14x20 after what Sam and Dean did to him, he doesn't kill them. At his most angry and while experiencing a huge surge in power, he somehow doesn't kill Sam and Dean. But we're expected to believe that in 14x17, he just "accidentally" flies off the handle and kills Mary.

The thing that is genuinely so crucial is that we do not see Mary's death in 14x17. It does not happen on screen. Deaths in this show always happen on screen, and it's not on screen. All we see is her face near Jack's, and the next episode all we see is the blast site. I think that the reason we don't get to see it is because it didn't actually happen the way we're told it did.

The fact that Mary can't be resurrected? That's weird, and new. That literally never happens. Everyone can be resurrected. People who were turned into paste by archangels can be resurrected. People who have been cremated can be resurrected. But Mary can't be? That's got Chuck's smell all over it.

Jack thinks he killed Mary, but he fucking didn't. Chuck did it. Chuck smote the shit out of that woman and Jack doesn't have any other explanation for what happened. I don't even think he is actually hallucinating Lucifer. Soulless guy who "doesn't feel guilt" and doesn't want Lucifer in his subconscious but somehow can't get rid of him? It's Chuck. It's Chuck dressed up as Lucifer to keep Jack on the edge and convince him it was his fault so he can lead everybody to the grand finale.

And then stupid Dean ruins the story and doesn't kill Jack. Which Chuck should have seen coming, because this is what happened with Amara! But he didn't, because sometimes Chuck actually doesn't know things! It's okay though (Chuck thinks), because Chuck always has a contingency plan. He has always been able to kill Jack whenever he wanted, and if Dean's not going to do it, Chuck might as well. So he does.

I'm telling you. Chuck killed Mary. Jack didn't do it.

[xshimaeraxx]

fUCKING DREAMSMP IS BACK BABYYYY

aND YALL THOIGHT WE WERE CRINGE FOR NEVER MOVING ON. OH YOU THOUGHT

[thhystericlncsess]

That’s me again thinking about Jack and his dedication to Doctor - but mostly Jack - at 12 am before the New Year’s Eve.

I just simply adore Jack. His story is so beautiful to me, I don’t think I will ever be normal about it. I am a history enthusiast and even if I don’t know much, Jack’s connection to 19-20th centuries is wholesome to me. He lived through these years even before becoming immortal, trapped in the past, waiting for his kind of Doctor; he still has these antique possessings, like his RAF coat (I love it very much…); he adores it, even if it was a hard period for him (like the 1x12 of Torchwood, you see how excited he was?)

At the same time, his story is doomed forever. Forced to live forever, he can never love someone to his and their death. He will have to deal with the constant grief, blaming himself, as he did when Ianto died…

And I can never leave behind the thought of what would happen if at the very end - death of the Universe - a mere human being refused to die? (For the record: I don’t actually like the whole Face of Boe thing, so I just simply ignore it… Don’t judge)

My personal favourite thought to indulge myself at nights is imagining 14th, who accepted - or acknowledged - his queerness meeting Jack and then, well, the rest is pretty obvious, isn’t it?

[its-short-for-jackalope]

I am a simple man, Pulp Musicals says

and I simply

[mwagneto]

since we were together. is that why you wont take me back. is that what you think. busy life moving on. youre an impossible thing jack. you abandoned me. did he fix you. hard way to live. a lot of people feel safe standing next to you but i never have. it'd break my heart. they break my heart

[wylanslcve]

If there's one thing you should know about me it's that these two simply exist and suddenly it's no thoughts head empty just *cricket noises*

[nyc-pizza-rat]

@eeveestoneson's tags got me all fucked in the head!!!! s14 au where chuck is not really the villain anymore and he's not in there at all. and jack really does die and no one can do anything about it and dean and cas have nasty pathetic sad grief sex and then cas gets pregnant with a new nephilim baby and he doesn't abort that thang but he also doesn't tell dean until it becomes like a Situation™ and then it's just. INSANE. IMAGINE. IM SO INTO THISSS.

[bluecatwriter]

A scene from yesterday:

[sciencegothic]

do u think hyde (at least musical) is in any way inspired by jack the ripper???

idk i had consecutive like interests in j&h musical and jack the ripper and thinking back i cant help but think of the similarities

and by that i just mean like. lower class victorian, killing random people in the street, the outrage, etc etc

of course the victims and way of killing was different (JTR killed mainly women and he would mutilate them while hyde used his cane and killed people of all genders) so this might’ve just been me finding an excuse to talk about jack the ripper and hyde my bad

no, no, you’re so valid, i love finding ways to connect interests !! and i can definitely see some viability in this interpretation

i will say, i don’t know nearly as much about jack the ripper as i do jekyll and hyde (it’s an area i always meant to look more into) so take this all with a pinch of salt - but i’d still like to throw in my two cents:

in terms of, like, hard similarities, era and location are absolutely a factor. jack the ripper became prominent in 1888, towards the end of victroira’s rule, and i believe jekyll and hyde is said to be set in the early victorian era. both took place in london, which is interesting because, although people generally refer to the late 19th century as the victorian era, technically britain (and in that period, ireland) were the only actual places to have a true victorian era, as the name refers to their specific ruler. so if one of these took place in a wholly different country, even in the same time period, the culture of the stories - and thus, the characters - would not be the same

(interestingly, jekyll and hyde was published before the jack the ripper killings began, so stevenson could not have been inspired by the ripper, but it canont be entirely out riled that the ripper wasn’t inspired by hyde)

(also, and this is entirely just a detour about the victiran era as a whole, but, it “saw revolutionary breakthroughs in the arts and sciences” (source). i bring this up because, henry jekyll was a science man, that’s how hyde exists at all, and some people may consider what jack the ripper did as an expression of “art” (in the most crude sense of the word). so, again, i think the fact that they’re both set in this same era sort of connects them through a shared representation of what the victorian era meant for the world going forwards. i don’t know how to phrase this right, but, i just find it interesting both existed in an era which is known for science and art)

anyways, back to hyde and jack thr ripper: obviously just the fact that they killed people is enough to draw some similarity between them, but i think also the violent nature of the killings and the (seemingly) randomness of them binds them further. (of course, in the musical hyde’s killing aren’t random, he’s going after the governors specifically. but i suppose form the perspective of an outsider who sees no connection between hyde and the board they would appear random). and like you said, the outrage towards these murders - and the subsequent hunt for who was responsible - is a further connection

if i may, i think that the class aspect of both men can be examined in a few different lights. i spoke in my other post about how hyde could be seen to represent the working class man, and thus thus sort of clashes with the legacy of jack the ripper. the ripper attacked working class women specifically, with some describing him as acting “as a manifestation of upper-class exploitation” (source). as far as i’m aware, feel free to correct me - it was never confirmed who jack the ripper was, and thus, it cannot be known if he was or was not working class himself. he could be seen to be an upper class man exploiting the working class, but he could also just be a man of any class exploiting women (sex workers, specifically). however, given the nature of the murders and the sort of, almost surgical aspects to them, it could be assumed he was more likely to be a upper class man with access to medical books/education

all that is to say, going off the interpretation that hyde represents the lower class, the two start to differ. but, as i said in my previous post, i think that multiple interpretations can exist for the story.

hyde may represent something entirely separate from jekyll, but if we look at him as wholly being an extension of jekyll, then he is inherently tied to upperclassman-ship in a way. he represents the evil nature of jekyll, thus he represents the evil nature of an upperclass man. (but also, if we assume jack the ripper to be working class, then there is still a parallel there - and upperclassman targeting the upper class vs a working class man targeting the working class)

it’s also worth nothing that musical!hyde kills lucy, who is a sex worker, much like jack the ripper targeting prostitutes. although stevenson himself could not have been inspired by jack the ripper, most adaptations of jekyll and hyde came post-his relevancy, so it could be said that the musical took some inspiration from that in this specific kill

(i don’t know if prior adaptions include something along those lines, so i can’t say the musical wasn’t inspired by a specific movie or play in that regard, and i obviously don’t have confirmation either way that any of this ties back to jack the ripper - but theoretically speaking, it is possible there was some inspiration there)

all this is to say, i think that how much of a parallel there is between mr edward hyde and jack the ripper entirely dependent on the ways in which a person interprets them individually. there are definitely some string similarities, but i think when it comes to really delving into the murder sides of things, that’s a bit more abstract

[dee-in-the-box]

so uh. anyone who's read my fic (or has just seen my headcanons in general) knows my headcanon about this, but this time i'm talking canonically.

do y'all think Henry knew who Jack was by the time he hired him?

like, canonically speaking, we know that Jack got his job at the diner after Dee was murdered.

do you think Henry recognized him as the guy that dropped Dee off at the diner on her birthday?

do you think he saw Jack come in for work, perhaps drunk from trying to drown his sorrows, applying for the nightguard position, and knowing exactly why he was there?

(after all, there are cameras. and Jack would have very few (or even no) reasons to want to work there otherwise)

do you think that was the reason he chose to frame Jack specifically? to add insult to injury? he already killed this guy's little sister, and now he's going to get the man put in prison for her murder.

the same man who got this job to figure out what happened to her.

(^ kinda speculation, but we know Jack got the job after Dee was murdered, pretty soon afterwards in fact. at this point, her disappearance likely wasn't being investigated as a murder. like, isn't it Very Heavily implied that Jack got the job to find out what happened to Dee? or am i missing something?)

do you think he saw Jack bleeding out, knowing that Jack had possibly gotten answers at the cost of his life?

do you think Henry knew who Jack was, canonically?

[lmelodie]

The return of doodle dumps!! We got a RANGE of goodies here but kinda divided between The Killian page and The Lucy page (my two FAVORITE REDHEADS!)

I havent been able to finish a lot of stuff/concepts and render out sketches lately but this should be good enough for now!

LADY KILLS MY BELOVED AHHHH!!! God I love this woman, she is everything to me.

There is a concept floating around about Chimera and Lucy dragging him around with them in this form for ✨Ladies Night✨. My gut says that he's stuck like that temporarily and I don't know if they caused it JUST for this one girl's night but they're taking advantage you best BELEIVE

Killian has been the blorbo in the golden frame above my fireplace recently lol. He is squirreled away in my heart and in my soul.

Now he doesn't actually NEED an accursed blade because he hardly fights with generic weapons as it is (just fisticuffs, magic and broken bottles baby), but I found a cool piece of armor for him, so it seemed fitting.

AND LUCYYYY!!! She is right next to kills in her own frame above the hearth, I adore this girl, hope nothing bad happens to her 🙃

Cowboy Lucy is actually from a little mini story I'm brainstorming as a piece for a little mini-series that I'm calling: "Jack and Lucy's Big 'ol Time Adventure Mindfuck"

(No, I have Not settled on a shorter name, and I am terrified that the longest possible option is sticking)

It's a classic time adventure where they're just getting chucked around different timelines and universes LIKE:

Cowboy times! The Return of the Scourge!

1920's jazz club murder mystery

The timeline where Jack never existed!

Possibly the one where the Man in the Moon WINS! Final Boss pt.2!

And including the visit to The Bad Ending Universe, that'll be in there too. Ya know, whenever I WRITE ANY OF THOSE

Yall get a small Blinter as a treat too

And tired ass totally-done-with-your-shit college student Lucy is a whole MOOD. She took a gap year after high school and then went for her bachelors or master's in psychology.

But what she DOESNT have the time nor energy for is her most annoying friend calling her up for the most PETTY shit DURRING FINALS WEEK! Its only during finals crunch time that she really flips a switch and starts getting spicy with people, any other time in the school year she's peaches and keen.

And Chimera, poor little meow meow. Young Chimera, probably maybe a year or two old here? So young, already been through SO much shit (also need to get my ass in gear about writing THAT one. She gets to stick it to her fucking abuser and it RULES)

And I think that scar around her neck is staying! Well see as time passes but I like the story it has. Maybe she covers it up with makeup or a glamor or soemthing idk.

[xshimaeraxx]

“I’m sorry, so you’re saying there’s an entire online underground community of spirits?”

“… Yes, vhat is so.”

“And you didn’t tell me this just why, exactly?”

“Bunny was afraid you’d prank half of the servers into oblivion,” Tooth chirps, cheery as anything. Sandy’s already got out the popcorn, Jack notes out of the corner of his eyes from where he’s standing opposite from the liar-liar-tail-on-fire, living cottontail in front of him.

“… C’mon, mate, y’gotta admit that it was a valid fear at th’time —”

“It was, I’ll give you that, but I’ve also been a Guardian for over 150 years now. You cannot tell me you still didn’t trust me to not immediately shut down half of the spirit world’s online communities as soon as I was given the damn passwords after we’d gotten past the five-year frienemyship mark, Cottontail.”

“… Y’know, I hate it when ya get all logical.”

“You mean it turns you on?”

Bunny chokes, the red of his ears brightening in what Jack had learned was the Pooka’s version of blushing, and then says, rather abruptly:

“WELL SEEMS LIKE I GOTTA GO, SOME AUTUMN SPRITE IS, UH — TRYNA MESS UP ME WARREN, YEAH, UHM — JACK, NORTH, TOOTHIE, SANDY, I’LL SEE ALL A’YA AT THE NEXT MEETIN’!”

The over-grown not-rabbit then stamps one foot against the ground rather too harder then what Jack knows is necessary, and jumps into the rabbit hole as soon as it opens, the insides of his ears just as red as they’d been when Jack had said that stupid, stupid little “joke” of his, damn his too-loose tongue.

A single, lone snowdrop flower is left in its place.

-

a short extract from a silly rotg/rise of the guardians crack (but with ✨pining✨) fic im working on :winkwink:

[technofinch]

for the background ask game - mulligan ❓✨🍑🗑️

❓ - Estranged family/relatives they've never met

"Estranged" is a strong word but he's never been super close with his parents, after his dad died he only went back to see his mother once. She sometimes talked about taking him to see her relatives in Quebec, but they never had the time/ money. I think if he spent any time with his cousins they would get into. So much trouble (and now i kinda wanna see it)

✨ - Children (current or future)

Ahahahaha <3 Mulligan has a notoriously fucked up relationship with Jameson, the only one of his kids that he's actually met. He feels bad about it in like 7 different ways but is honestly glad that he wasn't involved in the child raising in any way. He would also rather not meet any of his other kids, but the gm has threatened a mariner's revenge/boy named sue situation and I would LOVE to see it

🍑 - Notable flings

There's Samantha, Jameson's mom, who didn't particularly want a child but was married to a high ranking military officer and needed the divorce to be his idea. (There's a lot of reasons Jameson turned out kinda fucked don't worry about it)

There's also Catherine, a fellow marine who slept with mulligan twice because her wife didn't really want kids (the first one was raised by their relatives). That was also a fucked up relationship but honestly that one isnt mulligan's fault

🗑️ - "It's complicated"

JAAACK jack halderson my beloved first mate badass engineer accounting degree non binary aromantic bestie. They have the weirdest fucking Thing with mulligan bc mulligan is stupid and thinks it's improper to develop feelings for "subordinates" even tho jack literally slept with every member of the last ship they were on INCLUDING the captain. And jack likes that mulligan isn't trying to sleep with them but also kinda wishes he'd Figure His Shit Out so they can get Real weird with it. But basically mulligan cares about and trusts jack more than anyone else in the universe. And jack claims that they only stick around bc mulligan owes them money. He keeps paying them back but they just gaslight him into thinking he didn't. So they're kind of extorting him but it's only bc they're being tsundere about it. Also mulligan physically put himself between jack and an attacking xenomorph bc he caaares. Jack is literally the only person he trusts with his ship. Also everyone assumes they're fucking and mulligan gets confused and flustered every time. AND ALSO when we were stuck on a backwater scrap heap with everything gone to shit & mulligan trying desperately to relapse into alcoholism, all of the other employees and stuff were absolutely terrified and refused to give him any sort of booze and he thought that Julio had talked to them (bc he's the ships surgeon and new to the crew and a huge bitch a real stickler) but NO we find out later that it was JACK who went around threatening people in order to keep mulligan safe and sober <3

If you can't tell jack is the love of my life and I would do anything for them and it's extra funny bc me and the gm were explicitly planning on NOT giving them any sort of romantic/sexual tension and then. It happened anyway. The unbreakable bond of a captain and first mate

EDIT i didn't even MENTION jackbox nights (mulligan and jack have an underground fight club that's basically just the two of them beating the shit out of each other. To blow off steam and definitely not any sort of intricate ritual)