#jack + soulless

[shallowstories]

I'm just not a Cosmopolitan gal

For some reason, Dean feels even more insulted. So, he lobs the first thing he can think of, “Well. Dad had a soul, and he did more fucked up things than Cas has ever thought about doing.” It might’ve well have been an uncapped grenade. She reels from the force of it—shatters somewhere deep behind her blue, blue eyes. Of course, Dean regrets it immediately. It’s the lowest blow. Straight for the jugular. Blood and guts. Dean has no idea why he’s bringing up Dad, but his instinct in response to all that is to rip on Mary’s choice of- of family.  Tit-for-tat. Or something.

I'm just not a Cosmpolitan gal by @shallowseeker

Synopsis: After the brutal slaughter of the Apocalypse World hunters, Dean's doing everything he can to maintain a sense of normalcy around the bunker. Mary shows up to help. There's grocery shopping, mother-son passive-aggressiveness, and a pansy-ass Cosmopolitan magazine that Dean definitely isn't going to take relationship advice from.

(Status: Complete)

[shallowseeker]

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let cas say fuck<3 (x)

[jisuto]

[anassemblageofpassions]

No but likeeee. Sam isn’t allowed to have ANY secrets from dean but he’s also not allowed to talk about anything so everything just simmers inside of him because he’s also not allowed to have anyone more important to him than dean but he’s constantly in pain but he can’t tell Dean because dean can’t handle him being in pain so he just suffers in silence and I think the only time he brings up even a smidgen of his pain to anyone it’s rowena, and it’s to help HER. And the only one who knows is lucifer and Lucifer is the one who inflicts it on him. So lucifer knows something Dean doesn’t, he’s hurt Sam in ways dean is incapable of, but dean has also hurt Sam in ways Lucifer is incapable and that infuriates Lucifer. So supernatural is really just a custody battle between lucifer and dean for everything that sam is, and neither of them will win, and so lucifer will try to move on, he will create jack because he can’t have Sam, because he can’t win against dean, but he will fail, but then Sam will steal jack from him too, and Sam belongs to dean, and everything Sam has belongs to dean, so dean will kill him, and both Sam and jack will be his, but he can’t control jack the way he can control sam when jack is soulless, just like he couldn’t control sam when sam was soulless, so he will force sam to manipulate jack into confinement, and then when jack gets his soul back he will do whatever Dean wants, dean will kill their son but sam will fight him for the first time in forever, and for once he will win, and then everyone will be gone and it will just be sam and dean, sam forever deans even when dean dies, but the thing is, dean never truly had the real sam, he had a sam who cut off parts of himself to appease dean, to be the person dean wants him to be, and I hope that one day he managed to recover himself but he was so deeply conditioned I doubt that he did.

[ardentpoop]

common problem i have w/ a lot of fanon is that people tend to heavily overestimate how attentive dean is to sam's issues/needs. dean is often fucking clueless abt what sam is going thru lol. outside of the immediate strain it places on their relationship and their ability to do their Job.

[uh-ohspaghettio]

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[fatallyaddictedtofiction]

I go into a deep sense of mourning when I remember Sam's loss of individuality after s5 😔😭

[samanddean76]

A Fistful Of Sammy's

An ancient grimoire has been searching for the man that is destined to wield it for the good of all.  With the power that was imbued upon it, Lux gained sentience and hid herself away, appearing as nothing more than a smoothly polished rock.  Now she waits.  The problem?  The Stanford-Era Sam Winchester that the grimoire meets is not the only Sam searching for it.  And thanks to a little time travel the list of those seeking her is growing longer by the minute.  Once Soulless Sam and Demon Dean are added into the mix?  Things start to go sideways.  But then a couple of Hollywood actors trapped in Canada, who happen to look just like them and know everything about them, turn out to be crucial to Sam and Dean being able to save the day. 

Will an Apocalypse World Bobby (no, not that one) and a battle ravaged Castiel help or hinder?  Will the all-too helpful Gabriel guide Sam to the truth, or lead him astray?  And will Sam ever get the happy ending he so desperately deserves? 

Come along on a wild ride, with Metallica as the soundtrack, and an ending that hinges on one impossible choice.

Fandoms: Supernatural and Supernatural RPF

Rated: Explicit | Word Count: 44,276

This is what happens when you have four Sam's, four Dean's, two Castiel's, two Jared and Jensen's, one Gabriel, one John, and one Jack in the same story.

Pairings: Dean Winchester/Sam Winchester, Jensen Ackles/Jared Padalecki, Demon Dean/Soulless Sam, Sam Winchester/Sam Winchester, Dean Winchester/Dean Winchester, Gabriel/Sam Winchester, Castiel/Dean Winchester, Castiel/Dean Winchester/Sam Winchester, John Winchester/Sam Winchester

Major Warnings: Rape/Non-Con

Additional Tags: AU, Time Travel, Will Reference Events From All Seasons Plus Prior To Series, Jared & Jensen from Season 6 - The French Mistake, Stanford Era Sam, Dean, & John, Soulless Sam, Demon Dean, Rape/Non-Con Elements, Dubious Consent, Non-Graphic Violence, Unorthodox Demon Healing, Angst, Hurt/Comfort, Emotional Hurt/Comfort, Sam & Dean Being The Best Of Brothers, Castiel Gets A Power Up, Sam Gets A Power Up, An OC For The Ages, Literally

Chapter One | Two | Three | Four | Five | Six | Seven | Eight on AO3

Hey! How about we turn it into The Samstraveganza Verse? Mmmm, okay, I'm sold.

Tell Me Something I Don't Know - Soulless Sam/Demon Dean one-shot on AO3

Art Post on Tumblr | Art Post on AO3

@xpurdyglambertx @wipbigbang

Excerpt from Chapter Six under the break....

Sam could see himself through Dean’s eyes.  From the moment he was the baby lying in the maternity ward.  Later when he played in his crib in the nursery of his only real home.  How scared Dean felt as he raced out the front door with his little Sammy held tight.  Through more dingy motel rooms and abandoned houses than either of them ever wanted to think about.  On the first day of middle school, when Sam had been so scared, Dean had looked down at him with pride, assuring his kid brother that he was going to be better than any of his classmates.  Helping Sam to get ready for his first dance, pinning on the boutonniere that he had stolen from the flower shop.  Wishing how it would have been him to escort his Sammy. 

“I would have danced with you, at least once.  Spun my big brother around the floor.”  The words echoed across his mind, and when Dean tried to deepen the kiss that they were sharing, Sam knew that he’d heard it, and shared the sentiment.  He thrust harder into the willing flesh before him, finding untold joy as each thrust was matched by Dean pushing back with his own hips.  Trying to help Sam sink in even deeper. 

[h-didanart]

Someone miss-read jack-o-moon as jack-o-pizza

So...

Yea...

:O

That’s a very funny misread, and that’s a very cool drawing

I like ‘em

What kinda pizza would they be tho?

[quietwingsinthesky]

i really don’t buy any argument that goes ‘soulless sam doesn’t matter as much as souled sam’ because like. he is literally just a guy with some empathy issues. i cannot emphasize enough how much soulless sam is not an object except in how the show ends up treating him; he is literally. just a guy.

[notalawyerdude]

Absolutely screaming at the screen when Sam doesn't just fucking TALK TO JACK about the experience of losing, not having, and regaining a soul!!!!

He is the ONLY person who could understand because he went through the exact same situation!!

Jack needed comfort guidance and information about it, and Sam could have done that! It feels so out of character that he didn't.

[kerryweaverlesbian]

The other thing with Jack in the Box is that it's very funny for them to have left his phone with him. He uses it as a light. What if he tweeted out "help ive been locked in a box by 2 men here is my exact location /srs /gen."

[goldenchips]

In Supernatural, what are sentient beings made of?

We know humans have souls, angels grace, nephilim both and monsters neither.

But let’s start off with some questions:

What are soulless humans, graceless angels? If a soulless human dies, do they reconnect with their soul wherever it went? Can a soul alone be a ghost or does it need the rest for that (if it does, how can it have a form in hell? Is it like angels in heaven having form without nessesarily having vessels?). Why do soulless humans tend to go evil along with needing less maintenance to stay alive, but graceless angels stay themselves just with more human-like needs?

Here’s how I see it:

When anybody doesn’t have a body/vessel, they look like either the last one they did have or like their favorite one or sometimes (when they’re in the physical world) like light (angels, human souls) or smoke (demons).

🧍Humans have three parts - their body, themselves and their soul to guide them. Their souls tell them what’s good/evil and lets them feel emotions. When they die they go to heaven or hell (decided by their actions in life) or stay on earth as ghosts (if they have something tethering them down) (remains of their body or an important object), humans get conserved in heaven, their souls get corrupted in hell and ghosts eventually go crazy then fade away. Human souls hold a lot of power and are very valuable and complex. Soulless humans can’t tell apart good and evil and don’t feel emotions. The maintenance required for their bodies is lessened (no need to eat or sleep). Humans can leave their bodies but need external help and ghosts can possess the bodies of others (just like demons).

😈 Demons have two parts - themselves and a corrupted soul (the corruption is the source of their powers) (their soul can be healed and they can regain some human traits), they need to use a vessel to talk to people. Demons can’t feel most emotions. Demon souls are bad and worthless and soul-eaters will eat the entire demon. When they die they go to the empty (I think a soul is the requirement to enter heaven or hell for an afterlife).

😇 Angels also have two parts - themselves and their grace. No soul so they don’t inherently know good/evil but they can learn. They need vessels to talk to most people (some can hear them). Their grace gives them their powers and keeps them alive without the need to maintain their vessels. Angels can feel emotions but aren’t supposed to (I think they get the capacity for emotions from their vessels). Graceless, angels need to eat, sleep etc. and can’t do anything a human can’t, changing bodies included. When an angel dies, it goes to the empty.

🪽Nephilim (half human, half angel/angel variant) have four parts - themselves, a body, a soul and grace. Soul lets them feel emotions and tell the difference between good and evil. Grace holds them together and gives them powers. They can’t leave their bodies. They get unstable without grace and cannot survive. When they die they either go to heaven/hell or to the empty, it’s controversial.

🌟 Gods have two to three parts - themselves, the thing that gives them their powers (god grace) and sometimes their body (some gods don’t need a physical form but can have one). The gods that need to have bodies also need to eat (I don’t know if they can die of hunger but they can definitely suffer) and probably sleep. The gods that don’t need bodies don’t have to maintain the ones that they use. If a god looses it’s powers it’s similar to a graceless angel. We don’t know what happens when they die but I’d guess the empty.

🦈 Leviathan have one part - the goo. It’s them. It can take any shape. They shapesift into anybody they touch (need for a genetic blueprint to make a body). They can all be part of a liquid and remain separate entities. They need to eat. They can’t feel most emotions. When they die, they get sent to purgatory and take everybody in their vicinity with them (no body left behind because they’re 1 part). When they die in purgatory they rot and flowers grow from their corpse.

🧟 Monsters have two parts - their bodies and themselves. Abilities vary but most need to at least eat. Their bodies have their powers built in. When they die, they get sent to purgatory (where they still have their powers) and when they die there they rot away.

🐺 Monsters that are derived from humans (vampires, werewolves, stuff like that) have two to three parts - themselves, their bodies and I think some have souls. Let me explain, I think that when a human gets turned into a monster, they keep their soul at first. They start out with a soul and can usually choose to keep their humanity (chance at a cure in some cases) or reject it and loose the ability to tell apart good and evil and to feel emotions (usually caused by the act of killing/eating someone for the first time - no chance to turn back into a human). Their powers get built into their bodies. I don’t know if monsters that were born have souls. Depending on a monsters environment, they can sometimes choose to be good or evil. The transformation is like a rebirth and they loose the ability to go to heaven/hell if they die a monster, they go to purgatory (powers kept) and if they die there, they rot away.

👻 Ghosts I think have two parts - themselves and their souls. When they exist for too long (time varies) they start to forget themselves and their form degrades and their powers get more violent. If their tether to the world is destroyed, they get sent to their afterlife (they burn if hell and shine if heaven as they go usually).

But what do we call the “themselves” part?

I will now try to answer my questions from earlier…

Q: What are soulless humans, graceless angels?

A: Soulless humans are like the monsters that used to be human, they lost their good/bad/emotions and have the ability to get their humanity back. Graceless angels are practically human, they’re humans that don’t need souls because their minds are wired differently (we know that from the mind reader who hears people’s thoughts that said Cas thinks in colours).

Q: If a soulless human dies, do they reconnect with their soul wherever it went?

A: I think yes, just like they reconnect when it’s the opposite, the soul getting brought back from heaven/hell/a jar/anywere.

Q: Can a soul alone be a ghost or does it need the rest for that (if it does, how can it have a form in hell? Is it like angels in heaven having form without nessesarily having vessels?).

A: A soul alone can’t be a ghost, it’s shapeless energy. A ghost needs themselves to keep their form and thoughts and memories. As for the forms in heaven/hell, I think that everybody who doesn’t have a body in heaven or hell just looks like their last/favorite vessel. Sam’s soul (even if just a part of him) looked like Sam because that’s the form it was used to and anything’s possible in hell (vis. the various people describing how they were tortured). Humans seem to revert back to their basic form when out of their bodies (no injuries, whatever age they feel like). Part of the typical hell torture cycle is that they periodically revert you back to your basic form (before you were hurt) so they can start over, that’s why I think sam’s soul looked like Sam (also so we would recognize it).

Q: Why do soulless humans tend to go evil along with needing less maintenance to stay alive, but graceless angels stay themselves just with more human-like needs?

A: I think that humans get their ability to differentiate good and evil and feel emotions from their souls and angels get the ability to feel emotions from their vessels. Angels don’t have the big personality change because they already had to learn what’s good/evil on their own/ were told what’s what by their superiors. They’ve never been guided by a soul. Their grace gives them powers and protection but not guidance. Angels get way more human-like without grace because nothing is protecting their vessel anymore or them from it (the vessel has a bigger impact on the graceless angel).

Q: But what do we call the “themselves” part?

A: Idk but I’d love to hear your suggestions…

Anyways, thanks for reading my thoughts on this!

[soullessjack]

hi guys I’m normal again

[angelsdean]

the thing is, jack literally is not a toddler. like i am all for baby jack AUs and headcanons but in canon he is not a baby in an adult body. the narrative does not treat him as a toddler. they settle this debate in jack's second (2nd) episode when jack is mimicking dean (bc he imprinted on him like a baby duck) and he goes to drink a beer and they let him because he's not actually a baby despite being new to the world. it's the same as when amara is born and grows up fast. she is not still a baby when, a very short time later, she is in her fully adult form. jack is a young adult, who yes is a bit naive and learning abt the world, but it's more on par with like angels being new to the world and learning abt humanity, (like cas.)

jack is also an incredibly powerful being! he is literally thee most powerful being on earth, more powerful than any archangel, and only second in power to chuck-amara. and chuck fears him. especially when jack goes soulless. everything that happens in Moriah is because chuck is angling for them to do away with his jack-problem. he's moving the pieces on the board, fueling tfw's (yes all of them) already uneasy feelings about soulless jack and telling them thee Only way to stop jack is to kill him. chuck also establishes that he's a writer and writers lie early on in the episode. then he tells them there's no way to save jack, only kill him. that chuck's hands are tied and restoring souls is beyond his abilities (he literally created souls !! he's GOD !!). he's literally lying to them thee whole time. and it all gets revealed when sam realizes chuck IS scared of jack and that he knows where jack and dean are and that everything is going according to plan and that he's enjoying it. and then dean does something chuck doesn't expect, he doesn't go through with what chuck wants him to do! he disrupts the narrative ! he chooses free will!!! he will not kill his kid. he won't do it. he throws the gun away because he can't do it. jack, very much like dean during the michael arc, is prepared to die if it's for the greater good.

like i said before, jack mimics dean. jack loves dean. jack learned so much from dean's example. (also, an aside but. dean and jack do so much bonding off screen. just from the references to their movie watching alone-- they've watched the lost boys 36 times--it's clear they've spent a lot of time together). anyways, jack learns a lot from dean and he and dean both feel similarly re: sacrifice. jack thinks the same about sacrificing dean during the michael arc, he tells cas it doesn't matter if they can't save dean if it means ridding the world from the danger of michael. similarly, soulless jack IS a threat to the world because he is thee most powerful being in the world after god and right now he is behaving unpredictably. they are right to be afraid of him (and yes they love him, but all of tfw currently fears him.) still, despite dean and jack sharing these similar views, neither of them could follow through with killing the other when it comes down to it.

anyway, all some people want to remember abt 14x20 / jack's soulless arc is dean pointing a gun at jack / putting him in the box but literally dean cannot and does not kill jack and actively goes against god's manipulation. additionally, jack is not a baby who just made a mistake and everyone is overreacting. of course he didn't mean to kill mary, but they are not irrational for being afraid of jack, who is an extremely powerful supernatural being who currently is behaving erratically and where loss of control results in fatal consequences for others. like they are Right to want to take precautions and find a solution to protect the world from jack who at the moment is very much like a bomb that could go off on a whim. also this IS a supernatural fantasy show, like that context matters. they are not putting their literal baby in a box for, like spilling orange juice. they are trying to deal with a supernatural threat on the "dealing with supernatural threats" show. cas even suggests putting jack in the cage / binding jack. they are all afraid of him and looking for a solution until they can figure out a way to save him. and the only reason anyone starts talking about killing jack is when chuck is the one to suggest it as Thee Only Option (because again, it's what chuck wants to happen)