#its not a tb vs tg thing

[resident-fuckup]

I never make posts but man the HOTD fandom on tumblr is embarrassing. I find myself blocking people constantly due to the toxicity just because the way they only approach shows from a shipping and stan culture side.

I grew up on this site and have been a part of shipping before, but the way some of y’all will wildly misinterpret or condemn a show for not being written in the wildly ooc interpretation you have is shameful. The characters aren’t “poor little mew mews” this is a piece of media where you cant project that onto characters.

Hell, some of you even claim to read the books and your takes are so far fetched im sure you just say you read the book to get moral superiority in arguments. Its clear you either didnt read it or have ass reading comprehension skills.

Anyway this isn’t the entire fandom of course, but it’s very frustrating not being able to actually talk about the shows mistakes (and its successes) when 9/10 posts are about how shit your comprehension skills are. We have been on this hellsite forever, there are nearly no new users so I know for a fact most of y’all cant hide behind the excuse of being kids.

Thats all, the rest of you ily and hopefully we can keep having the chill discussions we have been!

[lovl3igh]

"they made greens worse in show to push blacks agenda" "they made blacks worse in show to push green agenda" truth is they made daemon and viserys worse and greens are now arouse sympathy and rhaenyra is made more soft and all that destroys mostly female characters and is for more drama and to push whole tg vs tb thing for bigger marketing while saying that's not what we supposed to do (season 1)

and yes, greens are worse in the books, making alicent innocent in the beginning and stating murder of luke as accident was to make them look better. and yes daemon was more "grey" character in the book, while in show almost every scene who was supposed to make him look like good father, husband or just vulnarable guy was cut out or belittled, his relationships make him look like bad guy - killing rhea, admitting to not fully loving laena, abusing nyra - instead of book!daemon who is against everyone but his family (except of green side), there's show!daemon who goes against his family or ignore its' members. and yes there are things when the greens are shown worse than in the books and black better than they were written

but changing ages of characters harms team black only. and since there's many changes of those and that's of many important characters it DOES make team black look worse and makes team green victims

1. alicent instead of being adult woman going against little girl (alicent 18yo and rhaenyra only 9) is now teenager sexually abused by viserys who is even older than her in the show than in f&b. being rhaenyra's peer - and her former friend - also changes the dynamic because now people claim rhaenyra caused break up of their friendship as if she wasn't just suffering 14yo. no, alicent is no more adult woman climbing for power and acting against child, it's a teenager abondoned by her best friend after being force into relationship with much older guy

2. jace, luke and dragon twins aged up - now in book it was 10yo aemond who attacked 3yo joffrey and then fought 4yo luke and 5yo jace*. in the show 11yo (according to s2 timeline) aemond is fighting four kids in the age from 8 to 10. so he doesn't attacks children at least 2x younger than him but is jumped by almost his peers. poor aemond, right?

*before someone say "jace was 6 and luke 5" - jace was born in late 114 AC and luke in late 115, meanwhile laena died at the beggining of 120 AC, which makes them 5 and 4 years old respectively

3. we don't have actual age of twins but looking at actors' ages, jaehaerys and jaehaera were 4, maybe 5 years old, tho in s1 they looked like toddlers. now it's not a big book to show change, 6 to 4yo, but it still look kinda worse to murder boy who barely stopped being a toddler than 6yo

4. daemon fell in love with laena when she was 22 (!!!). she wasn't a teenager. she wasn't also 12yo when offered by her parents to viserys. making her younger in the show made daemon, corlys and rhaenys look worse than in f&b (the only person who looked "better" - there's no good word for that i'm afraid - in that situation was viserys, who decided to marry 15yo and not 12yo. good for you, pedo?)

5. joffrey being 6yo with baby dragon makes rhaenyra look worse and like an oathbreaker. sending baby dragons to the vale instead of dragon who can at very least carry his rider doesn't look cool even though was funny for a second, because she technically didn't break her word, she DID send a dragon, even two, but that was a loophole

6. not exactly the same but - fabien frankel and matt smith' casting. i'm not saying they don't play their characters well or anything. that's not the point. the point is that fabien was born in 1994, matt smith in 1982 and milly alcock in 2000. there's 12 years age difference between fabien and matt but between cole and daemon is supposed to be only a year. now daemon is still called a groomer and cole is not because he is played by a guy only 6 years older than milly. and there are also people who now call him a victim and not rhaenyra

so yeah, i don't really wanna see anymore how much blacks look better in the show than in the book and greens worse... because that's not true. yeah, there are things done that make tb look a bit better but the show started with making the greens victims they weren't at all in the book and a lot of that has to do with ages changing

[theweirwoodfiles]

Not to sound overdramatic but stan culture has irreparably damaged the ASOIAF fandom and created very black and white thinking re: characters and kind of, like, a tribalistic atmosphere - for instance, if you love the Starks you can't also love the Targaryens. GoT also helped the fandom decay because it almost completely removed the fantasy elements from a fantasy series. So now you have a fandom that honestly thinks the War for the Dawn is no biggie and that Targs are the REAL threat.

Absolutely. This sort of mentality was at its peak during S7&8 of GOT when you had Sansa stans vs Daenerys stans because for some reason the fandom decided you cant enjoy both. One has to be “an ender” and the other “a flop”. They would put all their effort into sympathizing with the trauma of one, and then use the others trauma as a joke to show how they got “ate up”. So really their sympathy and understanding of a character only extends to their favs.

And we’re seeing it again with this team green vs team black fan war and it’s even worse because the show actively markets it. The fandoms of each team have this “us vs them” mentality again, and because of it they don’t engage with the story critically at all. They only want their team to “win”, whether that be having the best moments, the best characters, the best writing, they take each and any little moment they can possibly cling to to spin as some sort of win for them and loss for the other side. 

What’s funny is that even in the TG vs TB discourse you can still see traces of the anti-targ/Dany phenomenon, despite the fact that both sides are Targaryens. Many Sansa stans have become Aegonwives (ironic) and Alicent stans and hate Rhaenyra and Daemon for having qualities that members of team green also share. They don’t care about the hypocrisy though, they just see team black as the closest thing to Dany, that’s the source of their hatred.

(And mind you, Aegon and Aemond embody all things they claim to hate about Targaryens).

[lovelykhaleesiii]

can I just say this fandom is getting so ... toxic and out of hand I go to twitter there's shit, I come to tumblr there's more shit 🤡 honestly the hate towards actors and even amongst fans, and creators be it art, fanfic or whatever... Is so disgusting... It's like either you have to agree with every single world someone says or else you're the enemy and get told you should go kys or worse... the racism towards poc actors and overall bully behaviour makes me mad af ... ppl forget how they are just doing their jobs, they don't write the scripts they just act them out...

I haven't interacted with fandom for months now, given the amount discourse between writers had me shook, so basically blocked every account that showed up on dash regarding it all, but with season 2 coming I thought hey why not see how things are... Idk it's like nothing changed for some folk ... They still hate Emma for not being the Rhaenyra they want, the hate Olivia for just playing her part, they hate tom because ... the poor man is playing a controversial character ... They hate Bethany for being a woc ...

Sorry for the rant, I've just been so frustrated with seeing everything... Plan to block all hotd tags and certain creators because honestly I just pop by on tumblr to browse through things and sometimes read a fic or two but lately the amount of bad behaviour I've seen in this fandom from writers or just random hateful folk have just ruined the whole experience for me.

I totally get you nonnie & I’m so sorry you feel this way, especially with s2 just days away from airing…

I do think as unfortunate as it is, majority of this fandom is actually quite heinous and disgusting. the behaviour I’ve seen towards the cast members and towards each other in this space is so hostile and vile, I’m openly ashamed to be part of it. all this back and forth bullshit with TG vs TB is just actual fucking nonsense. like who gives an actual shit? there’s an entire genocide happening but let’s ignore that and rip each other’s heads off about fictional people… humanity at its finest.

I’m actually being deadass when I say, I’m so over this discourse between the teams regarding HOTD. like no team is better than the other, that was the whole point of the story.

hence why, I’m trying to remove myself a little bit from the fandom space especially on tumblr. only trying to focus my energy and interest into the story / show itself.

after all the drama that unfolded especially in this fandom these last few months, there’s a lot of hypocritical behaviour and I’ve honestly got no energy anymore.

more important things in life than arguing with twats on the internet.

so I definitely recommend removing yourself from toxic people in this fandom, whether you need to ghost or block them. you’ll be saving yourself 🫶🏻

sending you only good vibes anon, and I hope you can find some solace in my little corner. that’s what I can offer to anyone that feels the same!

[rise-my-angel]

did you see the new promo for HOTD season 2 with actors from both sides by any chance. TB actors sound literally no different from targ stans on twitter and tumblr and even said they were better looking than TG and had a better bloodline than TG. YIKES.

I was deadass sitting there like I'M SORRY WHAT IS THIS TWILIGHT??? WHY IS THE SHOW PROMOTING THIS INSANE TEAM WAR LIKE ITS CUTE???

Also like the whole bloodline thing just being uncritically pushed by anyone involved in the series or fandom like, its not funny. It's a very deeply disturbing aspect of Targaryean traditions and general Valyrian culture. It is so utterly rooted in xenophobia, and also promotes this idea that a side of the family is more valid because they did more incestual inbreeding without ANY discussion of why it's wrong and harmful to all involved.

Its the weirdest thing. I get actors hyping up their side for promos, but already the Team Black vs Team Green thing gets so nasty and mud slinging in the fandom we do not need the actors encouraging this behavior.

The Dance of Dragons is literally one big cautionary tale about exactly why the Targaryean dynasty was doomed to fail. It's the story about how the worst parts of their own mentality and in family culture, not only ruins each others lives, but that they were ALL willing to sacrifice the well being of the people they rule over just to prove their side of the SAME family is somehow better.

There are no teams in the Dance because its a story about how everyone involved contributed to this families atrocious and selfish tendencies, that will always be a self fulfilling prophecy of their self destruction.

Everyone here was bad and none of them deserved the power they fought and killed for.

Thats the point of this story.

[horizon-verizon]

https://www.tumblr.com/kingsanddragonsandgods/730998927210496000

Its interesting how TG states how TB "believe" the crown belongs to them as if the KING didn't proclaim Rhaenyra as Heir for 20+ years and didn't let up.

Also interesting how they say Team Black are annoying and boring when the show runners had to add "bullying" to Aemond's story line and made Alicent a child bride and "Rhaenyra's bestie" lmao. But yeah, Otto, the man who pimped out his daughter, is def "morally grey"

🤷🏼‍♂️ It's a mystery. I wrote about the bullying in the show vs the book HERE & HERE, as for the things anon mentioned, I think the part about the bullying needs more explanation.