#its jst tht theyre not the main target of it and them speaking over woman-aligned ppl is so fucking uncomf

[feminon]

The reason why the mindset “transmasc people suffer jst as much from misogyny if not more than cis/nb/trans women and therefore can speak over them with authority on misogyny because they sometimes ‘pass’ as women or are treated like women by cis people” makes so me so fucking uncomfortable is like. It almost always seems to have the extended meaning of “also trans women don’t stop benefitting from male privilege and start suffering from misogyny unless they ”“”“"pass”“”“/are out as trans women/unless i say so and ur an entitled fucking bitch if you try and tell me woman-aligned people have it worse than me and tht I need to check my own misogyny”

Being read as/treated as a certain oppressed group ≠ being just as oppressed in the exact same way as tht group

Straight cis men tht are read as “feminine”/“effeminate” don’t have it worse than actual gay men for the homophobia that’s levvied at them, bcz at the end of the day they can say “I’m Straight” While they may experience harassment from being “read” as gay, in every other aspect of their life (marriage, health care, social inclusion, media representation, etc) they benefit from being straight where an actual gay person does not (see also: str8 women who are read as gnc gay women/butch lesbians)

Gay cis men who do drag/act “feminine” aren’t the main target of transmisogyny, while they can experience harassment tht is rooted in transmisogyny, and they are in no way Privilieged in the same way tht a cishet man is, at the end of the day they can say “I’m a man”/“I’m not a trans woman”, they don’t experience the full breadth of transmisogyny tht trans women suffer under, and they contribute to it. (Just like! A cishet woman who dresses androgynous/masculine isn’t an expert on the transphobia trans men experience lol. She might still get shit for it, but thts an issue of misogyny/misdirected transphobia/lesbophobia more than anything else).

Being a trans man and being the target of harassment/stereotyping/being denied agency tht is rooted in misogyny is not the same as being oppressed as a woman/woman-aligned person.

Yes not being “out” as a trans men is a complex experience and I’m not ever claiming tht trans men walk thru life unscathed from misogyny because, it affects everyone, we live in a patriarchal society tht punishes Anything remotely associated w being “woman”/“feminine” - and not knowing that you’re trans/not having a space where you can be openly trans/a man online or otherwise means it certainly feels like thts all tht defines your experience.

But claiming tht trans men experience the same breadth of misogyny tht women-aligned people do - even in trans spaces, is harmful and opens up concepts like “trans men can’t harmfully wield misogyny like cis men do” “trans men are less privilieged than trans women for being ”“"socialized”“” female" “trans men are allowed to wield misogynous slurs and harassment unchecked because they are targeted w them in cis spaces”.

At the end of the day your identity As A Man, as A Male-Aligned person is consistently rewarded and considered superior in our society, whether this be through indirect affirmations you receive thru just existing as a male-aligned person, or being directly prioritised and allowed agency where women are Not in spaces where you pass/are out as a trans man.

Women-aligned people (gnc or otherwise) don’t get that satisfaction regardless of how they present.