#its bc they dont have the same relationship than say lee and clem
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#and another thing!#like. i think the big thing is that the people that say ellie and joel Dont have a familial relationship#(despite her never knowing a genuine parental figure and he thinking of his feelings of sarah whenever he sees ellie)#its bc they dont have the same relationship than say lee and clem#like. i want to say thats why people feel. comfortable. to. ship. This.#(despite the fact shes also a Lesbian)#is bc while lee immediately started acting in place of a father to the point we barely know Anything about her parents#joel didnt Do that#but this can easily be answered through not inly trauma but at what point theyre meeting their girls#lee is a man that wanted a kid but could never have one#while joel Had a kid and lost her#lee meets clem just a few days in#and sees this girl all alone#so of course he tries to help her#but joel doesnt meet ellie for Years after his world ends#and when he does their first interaction is rhem arguing/fighting/trying to/hit each other#while one starts off rather helpful the other is a promise that was never meant to be fulfilled#joel starts acting closer to 'fatherly' only after theyve travelled for a bit#and lost people together
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