#it's more 'if dick cheney thinks you're evil YOU'RE EVIL'

[dchan87]

https://x.com/mistergeezy/status/1832133683513270680

When Dick Cheney or all people has enough morals to vote for Harris to keep Trump out of the White House, but not dirtbag leftists, it's time for leftists to throw in the towel.

[dalekofchaos]

I hate Trump and I hate Harris and I just want this election done with

I'm tired of Donny Dipshit and I am tired of the lesser evil.

I can't believe we're doing this again. Once again Trump is threatening democracy and human rights, only this time he's bringing a theocratic nightmare and Kamala is the "nothing will fundamentally change" status quo. I'd rather take the status quo, but for fuck's sake can we NOT do a genocide? Can we have Universal Health Care, Affordable Housing, Education, protected reproductive rights and LGBTQA+ rights and protections? Is that too much to ask for?

Apparently so because our would be "savior" is more concerned with getting the Republican vote than her own voting base. Even bragging about being endorsed by Dick Cheney and 200 Republicans.

Translation: She’ll govern like a neocon because she is a neocon. She’ll govern like a banker because the bankers own her, and the two-party system. Bipartisanship means the elite wins, the rest loses. That’s not democracy. That’s not healthy.

If you're bending over backwards to get Republicans to like you instead of stop fucking sending blood money to fund and arm a genocide, not giving a single concession to the left, not endearing herself to black people, Muslims, the disabled, actually having a plan to combat PR2025, actually helping the LGBTQA+ community and apparently not the policies and strategy that shut them out. You're telling me not to vote for you.

That dumbass Nancy Pelosi during the first few years of Biden's administration said "we want a strong republican party" and it looks like Kamala is fulfilling that promise. Congrats, you gave us Roe V Wade being overturned and the Republicans realized what they could do and came up with Project 2025.

Like, I'm sorry. If Ronald fucking Reagan and fucking Bush of all fucking people can tell Israel to fucking stop or threaten to withhold funding from Israel and they got them to comply, and instead of actually listening to the people who she wants to vote for her, instead she's trying to cater to the fucking Republicans. Reagan and Bush ARE LEFT OF KAMALA. ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?

If your big selling point is "I got DIck Cheney and 200 Republicans to endorse me" you're telling me not to vote for you. Dick Cheney and Bush destroyed this country and you think bragging about The Butcher of Baghdad endorsing you is the thing to entice disenfranchised voters?

Trump is a piece of shit. But at least he's honest about it and he makes it clear he wants minorities oppressed or dead. He wants to strip everyone of their rights and keep white supremacy on top. He is on Epstein's client list and now owns his plane. He's a convicted felon, a rapist and a bigoted piece of shit. He wants Christofascism and he is a clear and present danger. I want him gone. I want him gone so I don't have to fucking worry my boyfriend, me, my brother and my brother-in law being killed for being trans and gay. I want him gone so I don't have to worry about the day where I find myself rounded up and taken to be euthanized along with every disabled person in this country. But even I know Trump would not last long if he won, cause they will oust him and replace him with JD Vance, or worse. Muskrat.

But fucking god....why is it everytime Trump comes back around, we always have to bring out the worst possible candidate to fight this piece of shit?

Kamala is a two-faced underhanded piece of shit. Her biggest selling point is she's not Trump, but she's showing us she is willing to sell out to Republicans instead of embracing progressives. Instead of embracing the policies of her chosen VP. Instead of embracing the interests and well being of her alleged voting base. We want health care, affordable housing, affordable education, clean energy, reproductive rights and LGBTQ+ rights and protections and the disabled's right to marry without losing their benefits. Instead we're getting more fracking, the deadliest storms we've ever seen with only $750 while Israel and Ukraine gets Billions. Funding and arming a genocide, continued police state and embracing the republicans over the needs of your voters and your alleged party.

Malcolm X warned us of politicians like Kamala.

Lets forget that Harris is a top cop who fucked over a lot of black men. Let's forget she sent a trans woman to a men’s prison. Said trans woman was murdered in a hate crime within 8 hours by her male cellmate. Lets forget she's pro-fracking despite we're in the biggest fucking climate crisis and fracking is one of the many capitalist atrocities that got us here. Lets forget she claimed she would be "tougher on boarder policy than Trump" Lets forget that she said that she would make the US "the most lethal force in the world" and let's for once forget she's one of the biggest paid AIPAC politicians while her husband is an AIPAC prick and that she's going to continue to aid the genocide of Palestine and Lebanon and god knows what else Hitler's reincarnation has planned next.

Selling yourself out to the Republicans, the war mongers and the criminals of yesteryear and politicians who followed the two presidents responsible for destroying America in the 80's and set us down the path we've been on for the last 20 years. You are just showing me and the people who want to vote for you, the people who just want to vote to get Trump out of the white house, to stop Project 2025 or just want this nightmare to end. You are showing us that you are not to be trusted.

Chappell Roan was right. and she was attacked for standing what she believed was right. If you want your queers sanitized, women complacent and your artists fluently PR’d n spun., you want a boring and disinterested culture of unprincipled sycophants, I'm sorry but I'd rather my celebrities standing up for Palestine and Trans rights and holding politicians accountable than just blindly endorsing a politician.

Fuck Trump, fuck Vance and the Christian Fascists, but fuck Kamala, Biden and the democrats who refused to say no to a literal fucking genocide too.

So vote whoever you want for, vote for Kamala, vote Stein, vote West, vote for any independent. Anyone but Trump I agree, but use critical thinking and for fuck's sake, if Kamala wins, don't act like this is over. Demand better. Hold Kamala and her administration accountable. If Trump wins, don't blame Chappell Roan, don't blame Jill Stein, don't blame independents and don't blame leftists. Blame Kamala and the democrats for refusing to change. For refusing to fight for their voters interests. For refusing to stand AGAINST A FUCKING GENOCIDE!

Side note.

The Simpsons DID IT AGAIN

[morealias]

engaging you in good faith/trying to be helpful here - i think everyone's mad at you because:

People read 'I'd shake hands with Hitler if he hated Trump' and interpret that to mean 'There is a part of me that thinks Hitler is a lesser evil or otherwise a better person than Trump in order for me to come up with this analogy in the first place'. I'm not saying that's what you meant, but I think this is MAINLY what people are taking away and why you're being labelled as a nazi.

It's a pretty out-of-left-field analogy that, to many people from the outside, feels like an extreme escalation of the discussion ('should we cheer Cheney on for hating Trump'?) at hand. There's a bit of shock-value to most tumblr users upon reading an analogy like that, and people are going to respond with a knee jerk attitude. People are also in turn focused more on the shock value of your argument's subject rather than what you're actually trying to argue.

I think a lot of people took your analogy to be a form of 'vote blue no matter who' style fearmongering, and whether Trump should be treated as an election boogeyman has been a huge flame war on this site. A lot of tumblr's userbase is generally against 'vote blue no matter who' at this point due to partyheads' insistence on supporting Israel's genocide of Palestine, and believe people with the 'vote blue no matter who stance' accept genocide so long as it isn't happening in America. Your analogy can easily be interpreted as an exaggerated, extreme example of 'vote blue no matter who' and the fact you chose Hitler as the 'enemy of my enemy is my friend' subject feeds into that take that liberals and general democrat voters are okay with the Palestinian genocide. Again, NOT saying this is your actual belief, this is again what I think people are taking away from what you've written.

Again, not lobbying any accusations here. Just sincerely trying to be helpful so that you can better address the inevitable wave of hate. My personal stance is that you should've left the argument as 'we should cheer on bad people doing good things to try and incentivize them to do better, even if that is the bare minimum' since there is a genuine point worthy of discourse (in the scholarly sense) there, but the shock-value of 'shaking hands with time-traveling anti-Trump Hitler' completely derails the conversation from continuing in any meaningful way.

I do hope this helps a little and that you are doing well.

"engaging you in good faith/trying to be helpful"

And know you're loved for it! (in a "platonic/I have no idea who you are/the good vibes" way)

"People read 'I'd shake hands with Hitler if he hated Trump' and interpret that to mean 'There is a part of me that thinks Hitler is a lesser evil or otherwise a better person than Trump"

Oh, I know. Tumblr isn't the only social media site that works very hard trying to gold in the Jumping To Wild Conclusions event.

"It's a pretty out-of-left-field analogy..."

But was it? We were talking about Dick Cheney, a person that Tumblr has largely framed as a fascist genocidal asshole. So is it a real stretch to use the fascist genocidal asshole as an analogy for the guy we were just talking about?

"I think a lot of people took your analogy to be a form of 'vote blue no matter who' style fearmongering..." Oh yeah, mos def gold medals need to be handed out in that thread.

"I do hope this helps a little and that you are doing well."

I am great! Don't worry about me. Unless someone doxxes and SWATs, we're all good, I'm an old hat at socpol flamewars.3

[travllingbunny]

Actually let's really not tiptoe. if you voted for Harris, by the same logic, you are also a bad person. You voted for someone who has been complicit in genocide for the last 113 months. Not even promising to keep doing it (which she basically also did), but actually doing it. You voted for the legacy of the Iraq war (Dick Cheney), for promise of more wars and the US army killing even more people all around the world (the "strongest and more lethal army in the world").

If you voted for her, you are no better than the people who voted for Trump. If you actually think this was the moral choice, you are also not smart. If you voted for Harris, you lack empathy, you are unintelligent, you're weird, and you're a bad person, period.

At least going by this logic. As a non-American, I can just conclude that some 150 million of Americans (all of the Trump and Harris voters) are weird, unintelligent and/or bad people who lack empathy, because you all voted for candidates who publicly supported genocide.

Or... alternatively:...

maybe all those people are not actually weird, stupid and evil. Maybe the US political system has locked them into this insane two-party system where both parties are very right wing and arguing for and doing insane, horrible things, and every other party and candidate is marginalized, with voters constantly being forced to choose the so-called "lesser evil" while the two parties are increasingly more and more similar in their awful polciies.

So no, maybe all those 160 million Americans are not all bad.

The person who tweeted this, however, and anyone else who similarly claims moral superiority while telling people to overlook an ongoing genocide, or denying it? Definitely weird, unintelligent, a major hypocrite and overall a bad person, period.

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[morealias]

No it doesn't. It means that the horrible person thinks Harris is better for the country than Trump. Nothing more, nothing less. You're having a Waffle Moment here kiddo. Dick Cheney said "Trump is the worst thing for our republic", that was the reason that the war crimes purveyor gave publicly for why he was voting for Harris. The guy who was in the oval office for the worst bill to reduce our freedoms and rights since Reagan, took one look at Project 2025 and went "Oh fuck no". If you're still not sure why or need further rationale for why it's not "Harris is somehow eviler than Orangemandbad", maybe you've forgotten that his daughter is LGBTQ+ and Project 2025, the playbook that Trump's supporters and cabinet all want to push through should Trump get a second term, would be the worst thing to happen to LGBTQ+ community since Reagan decided that AIDS was a good cure for homosexuality.

You've seen what four years of Biden was like, Harris was part of Biden's team. Maybe she was a token pic, it sure looked like it when he chose her (and her immediate 180* attitude towards him), but she was on his team the last four years. She also has a long history in law enforcement (which is objectively horrible). But Trump was actually in office for four years, he also to has a long history as a conman, a thief, a racist, a sexist, a falling businessman, and an idiot. His team has published their playbook, Project 2025.

It's not a hard choice as to which of the two will be worse. Pick one or sit it out, or by ZOD do something radical. But making shit up because you don't like the choices is just a stupid play.

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