#it's just stupid lol it's not a genuine decolonial argument it's like
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vamptastic · 21 days ago
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ok so. nobody who says i want to be able to eat a banana year round in the utopian future is saying they also want someone living a shit life to pick it for them. it's not the hill i'd die on but what they're saying is they don't want a downgrade to their quality of life. they usually have a quality of life that i think we can all agree is reasonable to want. why bother trying to constantly tell people they should actually want to virtuously suffer for other people's sake when the real goal is in fact for nobody to suffer At All.
#it's just stupid lol it's not a genuine decolonial argument it's like#yeah sure if fruit being available year round inevitably caused suffering id gladly give it up#but frankly what people are /trying/ to say is that it DOESN'T require suffering#and given that we are all discussing utopia i don't know if you can tell them they're wrong#like yeah if you buy out of season fruit there's probably some bad moral weight attached to it Now#but that's a wholly different thing from there never being a potential world where you can morally purchase fruit. you know?#it's not a very convincing argument to tell people not just to stop doing things that carry a bad moral weight#but that they can literally never do those things ever again#sure when it's fruit it's like whatever. i will happily eat only local in season fruit#but it's always extrapolated to like. AC. modern medicine. easy access to water.#and there's a point where if that's not univerally accessible in your utopian future that's not utopia At All#and of course people will then look at world where They have AC and go well at least /i/ have it#if your comparison is a future where no one has it#i just think there's very few excesses of the western world that actually neccesitate suffering and must never exist#like sure fuckin. yachts. cruises. private planes.#but it's never enough to Just shit on billionaires you also gotta go for anyone that is not in abject poverty#so then it becomes like. access to insulin is bourgeoisie because some parts of the world can't access it
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