#it'll probably be in portuguese for obvious reasons
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cool-person-yey · 4 months ago
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if I (hypothetically) followed up on the Magnus Institute Except In Brasil idea, what would the archivist's name be ? it has to be a common name just like Jonathan, but also like sound cool yk
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sannyo-appreciation-posts · 10 months ago
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What Exactly Is Sannyo Smoking?
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Well of course it sucks Mamizou, don't you remember what she said it's made of?
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Now, an herb you can smoke that can grow on a mountain. The first, most obvious, initial guess would be marijuana. It's a weed after all, it can grow basically anywhere. Plus, let us be honest, it would be a little funny.
marijuana can definitely grow on mountains, it even grows on mountains in Central Asia
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Plus, it is apparently spreading over northern Japan right now as a weed. They used to grow it for hemp material, not to smoke, it would probably not do much, but that wouldn't stop Sannyo if she wanted to give it a shot.
(Except I'm deliberately teasing)
There is a very, very obvious reason why it's not marijuana.
Marijuana has no nicotine, even though you can smoke it, it's not by any stretch of the imagination "tobacco"
Even if we imagine a world where this is the only thing Sannyo ever smoked, Mamizou smoked it with her and just said it was bad tobacco, not to mention Mamizou has recently been to the outside world and would probably know weed in seconds. (Which, although hypothetical, would have made for a hilarious Mamizou thought bubble)
We are looking for "tobacco" after all, we need nicotine, not just anything you can smoke, but it's a weed and a popular joke, so I obviously had to tease.
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I could go through every variant of wild Nicotiana, tobacco was even imported to Japan by Portuguese sailors in 1542, and it's cultivation was legalized in 1625. The Hakurei barrier was formed in 1885, that's actually plenty of time for actual wild tobacco to spread.
But it might not work either.
While we might find some enthusiastic and previously cultivated tobacco growing as a weed that spread up to the mountains, it's not going to be unique enough. It'll be growing all over the place by the time it gets up a mountain. And the village would be smoking that exact same thing.
But most importantly, it's no fun.
Truth be told, there is a genus of Nicotiana that would work well in mountains, furthermore, Portugal actually had some at the time as an import from the Americas. But thats no fun, so I'll just return to this later when I inevitably run out of exotic options.
After all, if its tobacco made from "herbs" it would boarder on cheating to just use nicotiana, regardless of the form it ends up in.
Thankfully, there are other herbs and weeds beyond nicotiana that actually have nicotine, it really would be worthwhile check one of those.
And I've got a fun one. A whole family in fact.
Just above the Genus: "Nicotiana" is the Tribe: "Nicotianeae" and above that we find the family Solanaceae.
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The Solanaceae, also known as the potato or deadly nightshade family
Nicotine is a naturally produced alkaloid in the nightshade family of plants
It contains everything from eggplants and other vegetables to the infamous Deadly Nightshade. (Atropa belladonna)
And of course, like I said, further down the family, it even has nicotiana itself. All of them contain nicotine to some greater or lesser extent. (Yes, hilariously even eggplants, a little bit)
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Solanaceae consists of about 98 genera and some 2,700 species. They grow naturally in more parts of the world than wild Nicotiana.
But we are just going to be looking through the nightshade variations, maybe some fruit, but no potatoes today. And these are coveniently famous for their narcotic effects.
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And some varieties, such as the Datura stramonium (occasionally called the Devil's Trumpet) had its leaves smoked in pipes and cigarettes, so much they were traded by the East India Company in the 18th century. And since it was popular for traditional medicine, some people might have even planted it.
But that type is not native to Japan, so it's got the same problem as the nicotiana. Not to mention, even though its an invasive weed, and can survive a little below the freezing point, in its current state, it probably doesn't like mountains. It probably wouldn't last a full winter on one.
This might be definite enough to just say it can be some hypothetical, wild, non specific variation of nightshade with the right combination of alkaloids and nicotine and presumably, relatively non deadly in the form Sannyo uses it.
Or maybe it is just better adapted to mountains form of imported of the Datura stramonium I just mentioned. I doubt even if it spread like a weed, that anyone but Sannyo would bother to figure out you can smoke that type of plant as tobacco.
But we are mostly just having fun at this point.
I doubt we could possibly think Zun cared up to this point, and definitely not beyond this point, we are just doing a fun overanalysis after all. Zun almost always seems to go for extinct species anyway, so it wouldn't be fun to follow that train of thought regardless..
[But if we just want a probable canonical answer Zun thought up. He might have just meant some non specific extinct variation of nightshade, since if there is at least one native version then that's enough to claim there could have once been others,
Besides, it's even possible zun just imagined she could possibly even mix her favorite flowers somehow, which while she probably could not, it would definitely be cute. ]
But we are going to take this further anyway to see if we can find something real and possible that currently exists today.
The simplest thing to think of native to Japan is just Japanese belladonna (Zun's proof of concept for an imaginary extinct nightshade if he really wanted a hypothetical one)
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Scopolia japonica, also called Japanese belladonna. It's about as dangerous as the name implies. If eaten by mistake it can cause hallucinations. And while it no doubt contains at least some nicotine, it also contains the alkaloids Scopolamine
And more hilariously Hyoscyamine, known for helping the colon or bladder...
yes, you can use this extract to help you poop or pee if you want too.
Which is even funnier than the marijuana joke i made earlier.
And the only other species in the Scopolia genus is pretty similar and in Korea.
So we'll want to find something different.
But we are trapped. We only have imports left.
And the Datura genus we'd likely want is stuck in the Americas so we can only really consider a variety that came from those possible 18th century imports of Datura stramonium.
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They are pretty perfect, tbh, spread widely to the Old World early where it has also become naturalized, and since it was already a weed that could endure dry climate and fairly cold environments. It could probably spread up a mountain.
They are our best bet for something you can smoke for recreation, with nicotine, outside the nicotiana genus that only Sannyo would use. If smoked people used its properties for recreation but you can also use it for anesthesia. Inject it's primary ingredient Atropine and you can use it for all sorts of weird stuff. (Though I pretty much resigned myself to having Atropine in the plant the moment I decided to run up and down the nightshade family).
Though in truth, she's probably just smoking wild tobacco that has lost a lot of flavor while struggling to adapt the mountain. So I'll move on to the most likely answer.
Portugal's more early tobacco is Nicotiana rustica, also called Aztec tobacco.
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It is pretty tough and would probably adapt to a mountain pretty well.
I'd like to think it's the Datura stramonium since it's cooler and weird though.
In overview:
The simplest, best answer is just wild imported Aztec tobacco (Nicotiana rustica) from Portugal. Which had trade with Japan open up extremely early. Its honestly perfect for this
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Followed by the more provocative option of Devil's Trumpet (Datura stramonium) imported later in the 18th century.
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and the funny option. The only one actually native to Japan
Japanese belladonna (Scopolia japonica)
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But it's almost definitely just that Aztec tobacco. (Nicotiana rustica)
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We could just imagine she mixes flowers or herbs into it to validate her "herbs" comment if we want (which again, would be cute)
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mayocs-dumpster · 24 days ago
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RAUGH
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IDK IF THERES A LIMIT
BUT THEY'RE STUCK IN MY HEAD
PLUS FRAY BYT IM TOLAXY TO FIND A OCUTUR💥💥💥💔
LIMIT IS LIKE. FOUR SO IT'S OKAY!!
Amara:
Husky. Yeah, the dog. Lenny will say that if they took a bite off of a Husky, it'll have the same taste, but more sweet, so probably that one bite along with something like a candy or even chocolate.
It tastes like that because she has a deep voice, that still manages to be sweet.
Fray:
Wheels, similar to Frank, except his would be a van's and hers would be a bike's. Lenny personally doesn't really like it.
The reason is a little obvious, but it's because Fray is a "small version" of Frank, also making the taste from a smaller vehicle.
Little Thief (as a bonus cuz I got an idea):
Shepherd's pie. It's personally Lenny's favorite between all the thieves and doesn't mind just making her happy to have the benefit of tasting it again.
I chose this food because in portuguese, it's called "Escondidinho", that can be translated to "Hidden" ;>
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