#it just...whats the point in whining about ppl liking something different?

[everylastbird]

It's insane how little the Twitter algorithm gets me when it comes to tgcf lol. Like, please, stop thrusting all the canon purists at me. I'm tired of them and their weird need to constantly bitch about ppl daring to write the characters differently. This is a fandom, bro. Ppl can interpret things differently, and that's okay. It isn't suddenly going to change the books if like, 10 ppl in the fandom sometimes dare to write HC bottoming I promise

[coffeesleep-ooc]

I wish we had more than that one extra that talked about LBH’s experience with SQQ growing up. Like I understand why more of the book doesn’t reference the more casual end of white lotus era…but…I would’ve loved to see it refrenced more…actually nvm I think I would’ve gotten creeped out if done the way I’ve seen some people write it

Omg, thanks for sharing your thoughts 👀👀👀

I thirst everyday for what could have been 😔🙏

Honestly though, one of the few things that disappointed me in sv was the lack of disciple days shenanigans! It would have made the story x3 longer and it’s true that the contrast of a happy white lotus LBH and the consequent betrayal and miscommunications would have taken a hit but!!!! -insert whining dog noises-

i need it!!!

actually i thought that even that kind of content could have been played of as nostalgic and even heartbreaking in the right way, especially if it’s LBH reminiscing, but I also doubt he would avoid those kinds of thoughts a little bit bc he doesn’t want to question SQQ and his love ig? Maybe he is scared that if LBH demands answers SQQ will suddenly decide he doesn’t love him anymore and leave…LBH couldn’t take that

idk, that is my theory but i agree it would have been nice to have more of that content? Maybe crammed in before the IAC? But again, that would have made the novel longer -sighs-

Idk why you would have been creeped out? So im wondering! I mean…i’ve read a lot of fics including smol bunhe, from the horny simping LBH ones, passing through the ambiguous pining-LBH nothing is wrong here-SY and even the platonic end where LBH does have feelings but SY is snagged by someone else (imnot crying you are crying) and i believe that all takes are interesting even if a couple ones are a bit questionable…fiction wise

i do think that LBH growing up would slowly go from ‘Shizun is my god and my role model’ to ‘Shizun is my most silly man who i want to wife up and squeeze as soon as possible but he is still so good and peerless and im a bit potato but if he thinks me pleasing to look at I’ll maybe have a chance if I’m super explicit with my intentions…maybe’. And i think that process has a lot of potential??? Bc like, he puts SQQ in a literal pedestal at first but I imagine that living with the man makes LBH realize that SQQ is a human being with likes and dislikes, with a thin face and silly behavior underneath, who shows LBH more kindness and humanity than anyone else, and this is interesting bc other ppl did it before and after him, but LBH is stuck on him??? Also, we see sv from SY!SQQ’s pov, but again, LBH has suffered and known some of the darkness of the world before meeting SY, i believe his method of protecting himself is either to act cute and be super nice, even manipulative about it, while SJ’s was to be a prickly man with the ‘i hurt them first so they can’t hurt me later’ method, and this is why they are conflictive, different protection methods and different levels of blackening. When LBH realizes there’s nothing for him to cling to in a place, he will go silent like a shadow and endure until he can do something about it, if there’s something about SJ and LBH is about their parallels being breathtaking in the ‘im trying not to cry’ way and both endure and endure beyond their breaking point until something happens. SY transmigrated just in time to show LBH that the place he lived in still had some salvation, that the person that hated him and punished him still was capable of humanity!!! We don’t know what LBH thinks of SQQ changing like that, if he believes SQQ lost his memories or smth, but what he concerns himself with is basking in the light he thought was lost, and this makes him a naive character…he hasn’t lost his experience, he knows still what is to be scorned, alone in the world, treated like a street rat, but hopes that his current situation stays like this forever (except he starts getting greedier for SQQ’s love and affection in other ways)

i digress, LBH starts falling for SQQ bc the man shows him humanity underneath the kindness, later on he will be Shizun’s favorite (the dream for him, truly) but first SQQ shows him that he can make mistakes (skinner incident) and that he can be incredibly stupidly selfless (without a cure poisoning) and finally that he is a silly man, with a kind soul and with a lot of dignity and self-assurance despite his obliviousness of lots of things

On that note…idk why i’ve seen a lot of ppl saying that LBH would have fallen for the first person that showed him kindness? Like yes usually kindness is the base for love and interest, but as i see it, LBH didn’t fall for SQQ right away but gradually, not even knowing it himself until it was a tender devotion he couldn’t even try to suppress. LBH didn’t fall for NYY in sv? And she was kind to him, not helpful at all, but kind and human and flawed, but SQQ was such a bright light, such an imposing and beautiful being to him that he couldn’t feel anything for anyone else! Novel-canon LBH is just too obsessed with Shizun, and even PIDW LBG wanted to take him back with him, i mean…

And even if he did fall for someone kind and human like SY, that’s how life works, and i think that if a character deviates from his original narrative and manages to stay in character then it means it’s well built!

LBH is a very good character in my opinion and BingQiu is a very interesting dynamic full with nuances and hysterics (hehe), i do love reading about white lotus bunhe and i could only imagine what SQQ felt like when he thought that the person LBH was before the conference was dead TAT

and this is getting long hahaha sorry, hope some of my rambling is pleasing and answers your comment at least a bit! Thanks for asking(commenting? Talking to me?) <3

[eloise0620]

3D, Seven, and Jks Image

After 3D and the alleged video of Jungkook and his girlfriend I truly have realized how nasty some of this fan base is when one of the members isn’t fitting into the idea ppl have constructed for them.

This is your friendly reminder that you DON’T know Jungkook. You don’t know his sexuality you don’t know what he’s like in person you don’t know his relationship status. We only see what we’re given and whether you want to accept it or not what we’re given is a partially constructed image. I’ve seen so much screaming and whining about how 3D and seven are too “straight” or sexual for him and aren’t who he is and are ruining his image.

Like?? He has literally said in his own words he HIMSELF is trying to move away from the cute maknae image and be taken more seriously as a mature adult. Why are y’all acting like he can’t have multiple aspects to his identity as a person and an artist? Singing about women doesn’t make him a bad person or suddenly a completely different Jungkook. But some of you are delusional and put so much stake in him being in a relationship with one of his bandmates that you can’t even be happy for him if his music has pronouns that you don’t like. At that point you don’t support him you support the idea of him you’ve created in your head that’s attached to a fantasy. He’s not “queer bating” when he’s touchy with Jimin or Taehyung, he loves them. Him constantly bringing up Jimin means they’re close of course but it never necessarily meant it was romantic. It’s such an insult to their friendships to degrade Jungkook like that and act like those boys don’t love each other with their entire heart. They mean everything to each other and you can’t even find joy in that because it’s not how you envisioned the lives of people you don’t KNOW????

I’d also like to add that even if he is bi or has had relationships with men, etc. (not saying that he has just a hypothetical), using female pronouns doesn’t negate that??? He is a KOREAN artist, he cannot just suddenly start singing about men and not experience cultural backlash. Why would he want to put himself in that position during the peak of his solo career? He didn’t write these songs either so if they were handed to him with female pronouns what reason would he have to change it? I beg for some ppl to just use the tiniest bit of logic before speaking because some of y’all are grown ADULTS that are throwing full on fits and it is so embarrassing to witness. You are entitled to your opinion on his music and if you don’t like it that’s okay! But dragging his personal character into it is so gross and delusional, especially when it’s revolving around hearsay.

At the end of the day if Jungkook is happy and has not OBJECTIVELY done anything bad then you should be happy for him too! I’m so serious when I say some ppl in this fan base need to transfer this energy into BLs or something that doesn’t involve real people. He has expressed how he is tired of being infantilized, this man is 26 years old, and you think he’s being “corrupted” somehow. Jungkook is not your queer icon or your little baby or the raunchy bad boy, he’s just Jungkook the individual. There have been plenty of valid criticisms I have heard regarding 3D but all this nonsense is not apart of it. If you don’t like him as he is then I sincerely hope you do leave because no one deserves fans like that, especially not someone like Jungkook who dedicates his time to showing how much he truly loves and appreciates army.

[thegamingcatmom]

I send you an ask AGAIN because word limit doens't let me axpress myself and this is important, K? mkay. I have so many thoughts regarding their very different personalities etc that I am laughing like a maniac.

One of those and most important is Carmen and Eleazar must be having a BLAST living in that house with all these shenanigans XDD

Another thing that crosses my mind is how different we all see our reader, bc when i read (reader) i think of myself? And I kind of have been participating in martial arts compeititions for some years and I think it's hilarious the reactions and arguments they would all have regarding this very matter? Given how protective -territorial- they can be, even though I think Kate would be over the moon with her smol human mate kicking ass (bc shes a warrior too so i think she can understand) Irina and Tanya though? they are totes a very different matter, but I mean if it makes reader happy I guess they'd end up agreeing, besides they can always kiss it better later, right? ;))

HELLAW...AGAIN. 🥰🫶

Yes yes, Denali mattes are always most important, I fully agree with you there 100%. 😌👌

I actually HC Carmen and Eleazar as "the parents" of sorts? Like, they´ll be the ones most likely to see reason in things and, yknow, think and act in a rational manner. They´ll be the ones to take your concerns seriously, without mocking you or making fun of your whining. Something that can´t always be said for the sisters...

All in all, if I had to choose someone to confide in in a moment of crisis (which kidnapping very much is), I´d most likely go with Carmen. And well, Eleazar too, since it´s a package deal pretty much.

But oh boy, Carmen and Eleazar are just done most of the time, yknow? "Done" as in they´ll just be lovingly squatting together in a corner somewhere, observing all those heated discussions and crying and whining in a calm and collected manner, save for the occasional twitch of lips...on the outside.

Inside they´re very much dying. From laughter. But sometimes they´re honestly done, as in-

"Ah...here we go again."

And yknow, they´re so used to all that drama by now that they´ll just give a loving eye-roll, shaking their heads a bit, when Kate drags you in kicking and screaming with Tanya not far behind (Irina has long since gotten home because she can´t deal), going like-

"Look what we found! Can we keep her?? Pleeease?"

Ofc they´ll say yes.

(Traitors.)

Ofc! That´s why ppl enjoy reader x character fics so much, after all. Self-inserting lets you live your daydreams a little bit and I think that´s a wonderful way to escape the everyday struggles. I honestly can´t tell if I see myself whenever I read/write such a story, or if it´s more like I envision an OC of sorts. Perhaps a bit of both? That´s the great thing about these fics - you can pretty much imagine everyone you´d like in it. 🥰

Ohh you do?? That´s neat! I´ve been thinking about picking up a sport as well. It´d defo be a good compensation, as I´m working whilst sitting most of the day. Perhaps some point in the future, we´ll see. 😅

Ohhh Kate would be ALL for it. She´d be so proud of her lil firecracker. As you said, she was a warrior in her human life, so she´d only be all too happy to teach you stuff and help you get better at it. She´ll most likely be a bit of a horndog about it though, because how could she not be when she gets to touch you places and help you get those positions right? 😏

Irina would feel...torn. She´d worry for your safety, but she wishes to see you happy. She doesn´t want anyone hurting her precious, but that glow in your eyes speaks volumes. She´d be waging the pros and cons thoroughly before coming to a decision. She might be overprotective/possessive (they all are) and sometimes hard to convince, but that doesn´t mean she won´t see reason when it´s more than clear how fulfilling it is for you. In the end, she´ll be on board with it.

...Something that absolutely cannot be said for Tanya. She´s the most stubborn (and territorial) out of the three, coven leader status be damned. She doesn´t appreciate when someone wishes to go against her word - she has told you numerous times she does not wish for you to continue this self-mutilation. She´s rational enough to recognize the joy it brings you, but not rational enough to allow it (at first). She simply doesn´t see sense in it when you could pick up any other hobby. One that doesn´t involve bruises and cuts and whatnot all over your lovely body. No, absolutely not-

You: "Pleeease?"

Tanya: "No."

You: "...Please with a cherry on top?"

Tanya, through gritted teeth: "My love...do not test me."

You: "..."

You: "But-"

Tanya, about to (lovingly) drag your ass back to your shared room: "I said-"

Carmen: "Tanya..."

Tanya, closing her eyes in exasperation: "..."

Carmen: "Don´t be like that. Look at her-"

Carmen: *points to your exaggerated smile*

Tanya, very reluctantly: *opens one eye*

You: "😁"

Tanya, very reluctantly: *opens another eye*

You: "🥺🫶"

Tanya, one eye starting to twitch: "...I-"

You: "😏💋"

Tanya: "...Oh alright." 🫠

Kate, in the distance: *makes whipping sound*

Irina, in the distance: "My 100 bucks now, please and thank you."

Do you sense a pattern here?

Tanya be whipped af.

I think it´s safe to say that, no matter what you come up with, the sisters will always yield in the end. They just can´t deny their little human. 🥰

It also helps having Carmen on your side, of course. You can do no wrong, in her opinion. 😇

Oh...there will be lots of kisses later indeed. ;3

#whippedtanya #supportivecarmen #happyhooman

[alicedrawslesmis]

Yo Alice, I just wanted to let you know that I don’t see anything you post as highly negative or always complaining at all. I think basically everything you post/talk about is immensely insightful and merely just pointing out and discussing things you disagree with or dislike as opposed to whining about something saying every single part is bad and terrible and if you like or agree with any of it you’re a morally bad person (which is how a lot of peoples “insightful fandom analysis” is online). Like in your last post you literally said like “discuss this with me, I want to know if ppl have different opinions.”

I think you dare to think deeper about stories as opposed to just following along the fandom norms, and question the various biases that tend to influence fanon interpretations. I think you present everything in a constructive and actually informative way, where probably a lot of people see it and are like “oh wow i never thought about it that way, interesting. I’m glad they pointed this out.” Or adding more detailed information from the canon to the musical that also a lot of people may not know.

Anyways, I think you’re great and super cool and smart, and I actually look up to you a lot kinda, and just also deeply enjoy literary analysis. I think it’s so much more fun when people point out challenging things, and also hold it open for discussion rather than just shitting on other fans/fanon/canon.

💚 :)

Aww

Thank you so much. I do try to curate my posts this way because irl I tend to be more stubborn and like. Let's say mean? I do think I can be very mean about my opinions in real life. I try not to, but the impulsivity... I'll only realise it after the fact

I'm not saying I think I'm morally bad I just don't like to post things that sound like they're wallowing in negation. I don't think this spiral of talking only about things you dislike is a healthy way to be

Healthy is not the right word I'm looking for. This isn't about mental heath. I guess like. Ethical. It's weird to talk about ethics this way, but I think living in negation is in general Bad. Bad vibes.

but asdfghjkl I wanted to talk about Eponine because she's maybe my favorite character and it's weird because OMO is usually the song I skip. And I wanted to understand how this reality works in my head, why is Eponine so great but I don't like her parts of the musical? What's going on there! I want to understand!

But uh yeah if people have other opinions please tell me I want to know what people think. Obviously Eponine in the musical is one of the most beloved characters in musical theatre of all time. We have an entire self published novel where Eponine is a vampire queen written by a child that is maybe my favorite book of all time? I'm obviously in the minority here

[butch-reidentified]

It is really fuxking ironic that you keep talking about hate crimes but will throw other queer people right under the bus, and you wonder why we haven't been able to fight these hate crimes. It's because of you and those with bigoted mindsets like yours

I'm not q***r, I'm homosexual, so your point doesn't make sense even if it were somehow remotely true that standing up for women's and homosexuals' rights is bigotry 🤷 also like, I hardly ever talk about hate crimes anyway lmao

ppl like you always send on anon (bc you're weak) and always make claims without any evidence or elaboration (bc you're either lying or brainwashed). you'll always say things like "you throw others under the bus" without explaining how I'm doing that. so are you just here to whine? if you want me to do something differently, maybe you should tell me what and why. tell me exactly HOW it is you believe my assertions on material reality, homosexuality, and sex-based oppression are harmful. do SOMETHING productive. even if I don't agree with you, at least then you wouldn't be wasting oxygen

[wooahaes]

What about a Mingyu single!parent AU ? 👀

ooo... single dad gyu is. clutches chest. it rly doesnt help i've been having baby fever recently for reasons that it admittedly took me a hot minute to realize what they were. but thats not important lol

i feel like theres a lot i can do with single parent aus since i've talked abt a jeonghan one w my moots (holly and livvie if u see this... mwah <3) once (which i'm also happy to talk abt if anyone's curious). for creativity's sake, i'll go with a different plot for single dad gyu <3

gyu is a single dad who has sole custody of his kid for probably undescribed reasons unless i wanna get into it if i write it. he's happy, tho: he loves his daughter more than anything else and is completely happy just working to support her. he usually hires a sitter or asks his friends to watch her if they aren't working that day (some of them like... adore her to the point where gyu whines if they're Too doting bc thats his baby!!! he should be her number 1 person!!! not uncle wonu!!!). hes got stuff figured out. sometimes ppl ask abt him dating again since he's not exactly happy single, but he kinda just insists that he'll be good for now--he'd rather wait until his daughter is a little older.

and then enter you: a new server at the restaurant he works in. his coworker, junhui, immediately realizes that mingyu's a smidge bit smitten within the first few weeks of you working there bc u do ur job well and you're a kind person?? just something abt the combination makes him a lil flustered when interacting with you. mingyu just kinda chalks it up to you being new, but you're the one who helps him wash and bandage a cut when he wasn't watching his fingers once. you end up giving him ur number to talk more, mingyu is painfully oblivious that ur trying to flirt a lil w him since the two of u get along, and he goes home to spend time with his daughter before he has to put her to bed for the night.

about a month or so of very obvious flirting (to everyone But gyu), his daughter gets sick. hes stuck at work, so are pretty much all of his friends, but you're about to leave for the day when mingyu asks you for a huge favor. he'll call the preschool and get everything arranged for you to pick her up (probs by showing ID and confirming ur the person mingyu gave permission to), plus he'll tell you where the spare key is, he just needs you to take her home and watch her for about an hour until his friend can get there. so you agree to it, and he's relieved.

and then he goes home to see you and wonwoo sitting on the couch, talking. you apologize bc you meant to leave waaay earlier but wonwoo was telling u abt college shenanigans (mingyu is like Oh No) and showing you baby pictures (bc wonu is best uncle for a reason) and the two of u just kinda help talking. mingyu panics for a moment, wondering if this means ur into wonu, but wonu kinda pushes him straight into walking you out and making sure u get a cab home and u kinda just. ask him out for coffee, but not explicitly calling it a date.

idk more plot of u and mingyu p much dating and growing closer before mingyu has to recognize he's falling for you. straight up would have a lil convo with his daughter, whos old enough to understand, abt him bringing someone into their lives (maybe w the 'but if they treat you badly, you can tell me' bc they're a package deal and he's not going to be w someone who treats either of them horribly). happy ending of u and gyu in love <3 maybe w a timeskip of you moving in with him and loving the lil family the three of you have become

[xythlia]

ngl some tswift songs are good, but I just don't really like her & I think it has more to do with this insane parasocial image she has plus it left a bad taste in my mouth when an old moot back on my lurker blog was being racially attacked by other swifties (when she was a swiftie herself so I saw all this go down on my dash before she deleted bc of all this) & tons of other black fans of hers were like begging on here for her to say literally anything about the 2020 blm protests or just condemn the ppl throwing racist insults at fellow fans & she just.... didn't. just straight up checked out & left them to deal with it & whined about being pressured, which led to those black fans getting even more racist shit hurled at them by white fans & them getting blamed for her leaving tumblr. That really really left a bad taste in my mouth like how are u folding like a lawn chair against even the slightest pressure to take a firm stance on something? especially after the whole scene in her documentary crying about wanting to be more politically active & "on the right side of history" ok when are u gonna do that then? bc she didn't do it during tour stops in tennessee this year either, where the anti drag bills are the worst, despite parading drag queens around like show dogs in her rainbow capitalism music video a few years ago. that would've been a great time for some of that political activism to show up but instead it only shows up when it's about her & when it's convenient for her. she's nothing but a fence rider bc she doesn't want to isolate portions of her face base (which is gross considering how many of them are literal neo nazis). Plus she's not even a milquetoast feminist & her song the man isn't some feminist anthem because it's not about getting rid of the so called "man on top" or creating equity it's about wanting that place on top for herself without necessarily changing any of the bad things that man gets away with bc she wants to get away with it too. That's not feminism in the slightest. Not to mention it's impossible to ethically become a billionaire, which she's projected to be soon. Who makes all the million different cash grab vinyls & merch? what do they get paid? certainly not a fair amount if she's contractually ending up with the lions share of profit to be on track to become a billionaire. how much fucking pollution does she create by flying private from tour stop cities back to new york every single day to have dinner? the reason a lot of people dislike her is literally because of all that shit, it's not about internalized misogyny it's the fact that pretending to be some activist while being the most spineless person alive yet constantly being praised for it is fucking insane & people are allowed to point that out without constantly being accused of only disliking her because she's a woman. That's irrelevant to the conversation tbh & really infantilizes & undercuts the people trying to hold serious conversations about why nobody should look to celebrities as a cornerstone of their activism when celebrity activism usually looks exactly like that, whishy washy bullshit

[maddy-ferguson]

the way twt is arguing abt whether or not mike called will again... bruh he just didn't. call. it makes no sense for him to call. he thought he lost will's friendship.

i dont agree that he called el bc it makes no sense either. i just find it funny how ppl use dustin's words as proof for mike calling will when its not logical. bc mike doesnt even know abt joyce's job up until the point el informs her. so either the duffers fuckd up or mike didn't call that much as its been said on the show.

like idk maybe ppl feel it really comes off as bad bc mike not calling will and not sending letters is... yeah, bad. but at the same time it makes sense bc they didn't talk that much and mike thought he lost will's friendship. idk why ppl try so hard to come up with contrived theories and reasons like 'telephone gate' or 'lettergate'.

no because it doesn't make sense to me either way. like did he know about the job or did he find out about the job the day before spring break. did he know about the job and whine about it or did he not know about the job. dustin also knows about the job. would you say someone won't stop whining about something if they've only whined about it for one day. why would they have dustin say that if mike wasn't trying to call anyone. he couldn't have been calling el they put a walkie talkie in the mike shrine. is the letter old. how long has he known about the job did he just find out about the job if so what was he whining about

but anyway him calling or not doesn't even matter because if i was going through a gay arc in the 80s and my gay love interest moved and i had a girlfriend who moved with him and i felt like i lost him because i kind of did i would also be hesitant to call. him not calling is bad but it's also kind of better i kinda like neither of them reaching out for different but similar reasons better

i will say though i support the mike called twitter propaganda i don't even care about how good or foolproof the theory is. also don't bring lettergate into this omg mike writing and not sending anything is the antithesis of mike actively trying to call

[imoanurparentsnames]

Finally someone in those comments with some fucking sense. Like what reality do these people live in and why is it so different?

one thing I always hate is when ppl make a post meaning something but they phrase it so badly that it ends up meaning smth completely different than what it literally says on the screen. and instead of saying "im sorry if this wasn't clear but I meant xyz" the poster replies to comments being rude, telling people they can't critically think (which is funny bc there is nothing to critically think about, it is just a post and it should mean what it says if it is not a joke post), and telling others they're idiots.

if you want people to agree with you, you have to be able to further explain and also articulate properly. ofc no one is perfect but you need to reread the post to be clear of the message that you want to give people. if you start being disrespectful, guess what, people aren't gonna agree with you and they'll actually disagree (even if your intended point was something they'd agree with! but you didn't explain it properly and instead told them they were stupid!). I also find this sort of attitude to be ableist, both because people like this can't be bothered to explain further and be literal, and also because they'll say some stupid ableist shit later. an autistic person may be confused as to what your point is, or take it literally and misunderstand.

"I can't believe I have to give context for everything!" yes you do. unless it's replying to a post (that has all the context you need) then people are going to misunderstand your intentions without appropriate context. stop whining about having to give context, all it takes is a few screenshots, replying to a post, or a quick summary at the top or bottom. if you can't be bothered to make your content accessible to others, then that sounds like ableism in my opinion.

[bcofl0ve]

I'd like to preface this by saying that I don't dislike Kaia Gerber, nor do I have a problem with her having a career or fans. I also don't mean this to sound like I'm coming at you, because I'm definitely not trying to! That said, I think it's okay for people to have nuanced discussions about privilege as it relates to her, and to talk about her in the wider context of Hollywood nepotism. I don't think people who have those conversations about her are necessarily 'whining and stomping their feet', just pointing out that she benefits from a system that's unfairly stacked against those who don't have the resources that she does. I also think it's valid to be frustrated that she has been given more opportunities and more chances to improve than any other aspiring actress realistically would be. I think too that it's OK to look critically at whether she acknowledges the opportunities she's been given, or whether she uses her resources to help others. Of course, she doesn't HAVE to do any of that, and it's true that a lot of people would do the same things she's done if they had her wealth and connections. But I think it's fair to ask those questions. I don't mean this is a critique of you specifically, because I know you're a fan of hers. But being critical of her role in the Hollywood system and how she uses her privilege doesn't necessarily translate to hate, and I do think there's a place for that discussion as long as it stays respectful. I'll end this by saying that I'm pretty neutral about her and I do find her likable, but as someone in a creative industry, I also think it's really important to talk about nepotism and access to opportunities, especially in non-traditional spaces like entertainment.

i mean- i dont fully disagree. when i say things about ppl whining and stomping their feet i mean the people who are not interested in an actual discussion about the topic. ppl are just interested in whining about *her* because they don't like *her* as a human being/are anti her bc theyre a part of the austin fans that dislike her bc she's dating him and they think it's PR. i blocked sooo many anons since she was on fallon/the other new casting news came out bc i was getting brigaded with people calling her ugly, calling her a whore, saying she sleeps with people to get roles, saying austin should be embarrassed of her, and a whole variety of other mean hearted shit. i get the brunt of people who don't want a conversation/just want to have a tantrum bc being able to be anon makes ppl a little more impulsive and mean lol.

and i stand by thinking its goofy to suggest austin has given her a leg up, bc she has the gerber parentage and plenty of connections no matter who her boyfriend is. she's a nepo baby, not a nepo gf! she doesn't need him to get around the business anymore than she needed jacob or pete.

there was a time, before i decided to go to law school- and before i fell out of love w/ theatre that i was gen considering chasing the playwright thing full time. and theatre is sooo connections/who you know based too which was terrifying when i thought that's what i was going to pursue bc i had my own connections here and there not but not nearly as many as a lot of people. and tbh- law is similar. in a different way than entertainment bc it's such a diff sector, but there's absolutely nepotism abound which is frustrating.

i think my larger opinion on all of this is something i say on here a lot which is we don't know what we don't know. i'm not gonna sit here and say i know she's used her resources for good for xyz bc hey, i don't. but we also can't say she *doesn't* because we don't know that either. and i think thats tricky in itself too bc when a celeb makes something good they do public they get accused of only doing it for attention, but if they don't then people think they don't do anything. idk if you were on here when her and austin did the childrens hospital visit last march (of which the whole point of publicizing it was celebs raising publicity for the fundraising campaign for the hospital!) but people got so irate about how it was selfish showboating and austin was only there to counterbalance her evil selfishness that i had to disable my anons.

like- i don't disagree that the larger conversation about the topic as a whole is important! it very much is! just like- maybe not on this blog specifically lololol. perhaps a blog where both the anons aren't such hot heads and the admin isn't so burned out from said hot heads lololol. thank you for the anon though- you articulated this well and i appreciate people like you (:

[prettyboykatsuki]

please PLEASE write more abt bully bkg!!! what happened next?? what did kiri do omg

tw ;; mild toxicity, bully!bkg, kirishima being a shit, fem!reader 18+, spanking, oral (f!recieving), bkg accidentally worships your pussy instead of punishing you :/, unprotected sex, praise kink 

PT. 1

a/n ;; have i mentioned he makes me absolutely out of my mind yet? have i said that?!??#?$# 

i think we’ve established about the two of them enough by now so here’s how i picture it. 

like i said before - bkg is a campus athlete, popular and well-rounded and all around has that like image to him and so when he essentially confesses to you after fucking you stupid in the library, that’s basically him making you his girlfriend. you don’t know that for a long time but we’ll get there later. 

anwyays.. right after he fucks you nice n full of his cum, he slides your panties and shorts right back on and snickers as he watches you struggle to get to your feet before eventually helping you. he keeps your bra as a punishment and makes you keep his hoodie, almost biting you when you try and take kirishimas to return it to him. he’ll do it himself, don’t test him. 

when you’re all dressed - he makes you pack up and ends up walking you to your dorm room in the middle of the night (which you beg him to not do) but he’ll be fucking damned if anything bad happens to you. it’s his version of affectionate but you don’t know that yet so you’re mostly awkwardly trying to dodge him on the way back BUT he’s still bkg so when he notices that he yanks you. 

he makes you hold his arm and licks your cheek cause he’s such a fucking dick. hits you with a “get used to it, princess” with the most condescending tone. but he’s being so serious. you just think he’s teasing you but he’s not.. he means it. get used to him, basically because now he’s a constant presence in your life. 

he drops you off in front of your dorm and you’re about to wave him off but before you can go he grabs your waist and basically dips you for a kiss. and it’s so good - fuck, you wish you could say you hated it. but bakugou is experienced as much as he’s mean so he kisses you like his life depends on it, his fingers digging into your sides and his tongue in your mouth. you almost forget your in public until he pulls you back up 

he gives you a little breathless grin, patting your cheek with his hand and telling you “get cleaned up, dumbass” which is his way of telling you to get home safe. 

and you do get to your empty dorm. you take a shower and just kinda reflect on the actualy fuck transpired cause you were pretty positive he wanted you in a casket but?!?!?! you fucked him and he kissed you? so ???? 

youre in the middle of your exams and you’re honestly tired since you got fucked within in an inch of your life so you shower and just.. go to sleep. in his hoodie cause it smells good and it’s big and comfy and you’re like... thinking about it really hard but it just makes your headache. 

you conclude after a lot of tossing and turning that he’s probably still just trying to fuck around with you and maybe thinks you’re an easy lay.  you can’t say you aren’t since you were willing and ready for him (the thought of how easily you gave in has you flustered) 

you sleep, eventually. and you wake up the next morning not really expecting much. you don’t have bkgs number or anything so you just.. continue with your day as is. unlucky for you - you have classes with bakugou and kirishima 

but you don’t think it’ll be all that different. still so non-chalant. and you go to class that day dressed normally - with bakugous hoodie in hand. 

you sit in your regular seat that day and this is your first mistake. 

kirishima is in class before bakugou is. and he is.. as always, a little shit. so he pulls up right beside you because even though bkg is pissed at kiri - they are besties so he tells him everything. kirishima wont tease you abt it and u still think kirishima is quite nice and handsome so you’re pleased to greet him. 

ah.. another mistake on your behalf. this action WILL have consequences. 

kirishima gets so cozy with you btw. he loves that you’re so comfy w him - strokes his ego so good. and he chats you up for a better part of the hour before your morning class. 

he makes jokes and smiles and laughs and thinks about how easy it would be snatch you from bakugou and keep you to himself. he’s not good enough of a person to leave you alone. 

aaah kirishima is a sweetheart and he treats you well. so when you feel his hand on your thigh underneath the table - rubbing little circles into your knee, you don’t even notice. and when he gets super close to you to hear you talk - telling you your voice is too soft even tho a class is empty, you let him. 

and when you point out that ppl keep staring and whispering you, he tells you to ignore them and you do. you ignore the whispers and even the click of camera. 

it’s only when you hear bakugou that you get a strange feeling in your gut. he stomps into the classroom - vicious. his schedule is so busy he normally doesn’t get to lounge around before class making sure to keep everything tight 

but he got..  many messages about how you and kirishima were seating today. mostly from kami who likes to cause problems - he decided he should get there a lil early 

well.. lo and behold he does - and he finds you and kirishima looking incredibly cozy with each other. and kirishima being.. kirishima - is the first to see him and he shoots his beloved friend the most smug fuckin smile. 

bkg is pissed, naturally and stomps his way over to the two of you. he’s doing the thing again where he’s icy mad. he doesn’t even bother w kirishima and there’s a whole crowd around the three of you. 

“get your shit,” he demands, clearly seething. you give him a wild look, noticing the now obvious tension before being completely confused.  you’re about to protest w him but he sends you a spine-chillingly glare. 

your whole class watches as he yanks you by the wrist out of the classroom as kirishima sits back and gives u a little wave. ur lost. obviously. and once you leave the classroom ur like “where are we going?” 

the answer is to bakugous very nice car - a custom c3 corvette. he opens the door and stares you, grabbing your bags and taking them to the trunk. but u stand ur ground, cross your arms over your chest like 

“what are we doing out here?” 

bkg doesn’t hesitate in pushing you up against his car, his hands on your waist and his teeth nipping at your neck - sore from old bruises. and you gasp when you feel his fingers dig into your hips, all tongue and teeth. 

“the fuck did i say about you cozyin’ up t’ that shitty haired bastard yesterday,” 

this makes you swallow because bakugous mouth is travelling further and further and his hands are getting more bold. and you shiver, something hot and heavy in your core cause fuck he’s so possesive over you. it makes you dizzy, something sticky and warm in you. 

“i.. i d-didn’t think you were being s..serious yesteryday” 

he growls a little against your throat. 

“guess i’ll have to teach you another lesson. im gonna get in the car and then you are. easy enough, nerd?” 

you can’t do anything but nod and watch him open the car doors. when he gets in you follow and within the blink of an he manuevers you till your over his lap. you let out a loud yelp as his strong hands come down on your ass. still clothed. 

you let out a soft yelp - a noise of surprise at the sudden sensation and you feel bkg bend down to speak in your ear. 

“wanna act like a fuckin’ brat and flirt with your boyfriends friends? fine. i’ll fuck that shitty ass attitude right out of you,” 

the firs thing you think is “boyfriend?!” but your voice gets muffled when you feel bakugou pull down your bottoms along with your panties. his hands are so strong and so big - long thick fingers covered in callouses from playing so many games. you can’t help but squirm under his touch, a growing wetness making your stomach clench. 

he’s so so mean about it yk? a big strong hand smacking against your ass hard enough to leave a handprint. he chuckles when you whine, when your body shivers - bare cunt expose to him and nothing else. a wave of humilation floods through you. 

“‘s not my fault you’re like this y’know? all you gotta do is follow instructions - i know you now how to fucking do that, right? always bein’ so prissy,” ― bakugou tsks, smacking your ass hard before spreading your cheeks out. he admires the way your cunt trembles with mean laugh ― “but you wanna go flirt with shitty hair that much, huh?” 

you’re gonna protest and tell him it’s not even like that.. which makes you question why’re so eager to go with his demands. but the words get lost as the sound of spanks slowly drift and it’s just bakugou admiring your ass. he didn’t really get a good chance too when he was fucking you yesterday but now he’s got eagles on you n your pretty little cunt. 

“never gonna let anyone touch your pretty little pussy but fuckin’ me,” ― and he groans, sliding his fingers through your folds ― “fuck.. fuck” 

you’re not expecting much but within another few seconds you’ve got your cheek pressed to the glass window, ass up and body folded with your cunt directly in bkgs face. you’re not rlly sure why this was happening because you were sure you were getting punished. and maybe the humilation of having your face pressed to glass is enough 

but it doesn’t negate the fact bkg is tongue deep in your cunt. both hands massaging your ass - spreading your lips apart so he can get into fucking deeper. sliding his tongue against your folds and slurping on your clit until you’re jolting with pleasure like you’ve never known before in your life. you’re moaning so loud the whole campus could probably fucking hear but bkg doesn’t care and doesn’t stop 

and your thighs give out, he goes from eat it from the back to getting underneath you and has you sitting on his face. you just keep cumming and bakugou is rock fucking hard - but he doesn’t even bother jerking himself off. he spends all of his time n effort worshipping your sweet cunt  

you cum on his face so many times you’re completely limp by the time he sticks his dick in you. but it feels so good when he does that too - oversenstive walls stretched out his big cock, a hand on your sides as he shifts you into missionary. 

he doesn’t even intend to make you cum again but the position has him so deep in your cervix that you do and he’s so close. and when bkgs close, he’s fucking obscene. 

but it’s not all that vulgar like you’re expecting and that makes you fucking whine. hearing bakugou praise you and your pussy does something terrible to your brain and in your fucked out haze - arms around his shoulders, you’re fucking whimpering. 

and bkgs just in your ear like 

“such a sweet fuckin’ girl for me, taking my dick so damn good, haah fuck. all mind. know how to behave when i fuck you like this don’t you? be a good girl and take it all.. there you go, just like that,” 

when he cums inside of you he stays there for a while and stares at your completely gone expression. it’s unusually soft and you wont see it often but he grabs your face and kisses you hard 

“you’re my girlfriend now you fuckin’ dweeb so start fuckin’ acting like it yeah?” 

you whine and nod, unable to refuse even if u want too 

“yeah..yeah” 

[wh0lemilk0vich]

ik you prefer chubby eddie over chubby steve, but consider! this is basically me rambling about self-image but then it goes gremlin (i love thighs), bit of praise kink too

steve isn’t so obsessed with high school image and his reputation anymore. we see in season 3 him talking to dustin and making a couple of weird comments about weight, also the whole thing about being friends with a band kid and a bunch of dnd nerds

i thibk once he lets go of that, i mean he’s dating eddie munson he’s gonna have to change his thoughts on self image and shit, he probs gains a little weight bcus 1. he’s trying not to care about how other people think of him anymore 2. no more swim team and basketball 3. he’s getting looked after <3

and he’s not insecure really he’s just very confused and that makes him frustrated like. ?? never once has he been a tubby guy, he’s always been the skinny athletic type and obsessed with his image.

“?? i dont get it. where did this come from????” one hand gripping his belly shaking it, “what’s going on? and i sick or something?? eddie?” almost frantically calling out for his boyfriend without his eyes leaving the mirror “babe it’s just a bit of pudge, circumstances have changed. no one’s sick, alright?” smooch. no need for reassurance bcus steve knows he’s hot shit

but it also is the 80s and ofc fatphobia is a thing so maybe he struggles a bit, especially since he was that traditional jock with abs who teased anyone that was remotely different to “skinny”, so it might take him a bit so get used to

but he doesn’t mind it, thinks about how strong hopper was w his body before the russia stuff and how eddie and his friends love him, so shit what else does he need? he’s comfortable, eddie seems to really like the extra weight, and he doesn’t worry about what other ppl think anymore

eddie is also a tactile lover, adores holding onto steve and gently squeezing him, especially his muffin top and love handles. eddie definitely tells steve all the time how much he loves him and his body, boy is non stop

eddie gets a bit bolder after a while of steve getting used to his new-ish figure “look at this baby, so fucking soft” gripping steve’s stomach while he fucks him, steve only being able to moan in response so deep into subspace (steve is a sub no questions asked), feebly attempting to string together a sentence something along the lines of “all for you baby”. also hc that eddie is obsessed with thighs bcus i’m projecting lol, “you could suffocate me with these christ stevie, you have no idea what you do to me, so so good for me baby boy, look at you: perfect” steve nodding head thrown back a deep guttural whine escaping him from being praised like that. maybe at some point eddie is sucking steve off, steve lying on the bed his back arched and just fucking squeezes his thighs on eddie’s head. only briefly to check if eddie really liked it but FUCCKKK eddie’s just like “dothatagaindothatagainohmyFUCKINGGOD”. like steve is beefy, mans was swimming team captain and basketball dude, the extra pudge doesn’t stop that. so there’s this creamy soft dough being pressed with the strength of an athletic 20 year old in his prime like hooooooly shit

anyway eddie loves it and now everytime he sucks steve off he needs needs neeeds to be squished by steve’s thighs. i mean we saw them peek out of the shorts in s3 babes has got meaty thighs . eddie nuzzling up to stevie in bed, one hand stroking steve’s hair the other gently gripping his thigh. steve driving, eddie always has a hand squeezing his thigh. lying down together is either a face smushed up in his crotch between his thighs kneading the fat gently.

and eddie def loves the belly i mean who doesn’t!! i dont reeeeally see steve and eddie being into the deliberate gaining scene, like this just happened to steve and that’s that. but. however!! steve has definitely got an appetite from being a student athlete, and eats big portions. not much of a snacker but loads his plate up always, and usually goes for seconds or thirds. queue eddie giving belly rubs to steve who never knew how fucking good it feels. again not deliberate gaining, but still gaining

hmm eddie also has those handcuffs. chubby steve writhing in the cuffs, restrained to the bed. begging for eddie to touch him but he says no bcus steve wasn’t well behaved that day, he let girls flirt with him at family video. thinking of his fat belly all on display, creamy milky thighs shaking. of course this is all consensual, whole way through using trafic light system. steve is panting bucking his hips, if eddie can just get down there for a sec steve can use his trick and get eddie to do whatever he likes…

eddie bobs down to tease steve when he squeezes him with his thighs. this sets eddie off because ok yeah fine fine i’ll give you the most tantalising, toe curling, back arching, sensual blow job if you squeeze my head a lil bit with ur thighs

Oooh i do love this! I just really like Eddie haha so I like to project onto him and have him be a pretty soft boy, but I really love contrast so this still absolutely works for me 🥵

I see Eddie as like a pansexual nympho boy who's mad for Stevie and like i think the comfort weight gain just sweetens the deal. Like of course Steve has always been pretty, all toned muscle, slutty tiny waist, and all the pretty moles and freckles and his soft hair and lips. But now, Eddie's fucking wrecked like can't get Steve out of his mind because he's a sucker for a fat-bottomed, bottom heavy boy. Like fuck Steve would look so good, carrying it low in his belly, wide hips, wide thighs, big butt, giving Pixar mom vibes.

"Hey Edds, do these make my butt look big?" Steve eyeing himself in the mirror, trying to adjust and pull at his jeans or chinos.

"Hell yeah! Jeez, Stevie, how'd you get these up. They look painted on" and he spins Steve to look at him, he smacks his hands to each cheek and feels him up, pressing and grinding himself against Steve's front so he can feel how turned on he is.

Eddie takes to not exactly fucking Steve traditionally. He'll ride one of his thighs, or grind against his soft belly, or frot between his cheeks. OR fuck grab his hips and fuck his thighs, and Steve can feel Eddie's cock* dragging against his own as he uses his thighs. And quickly Eddie gets taken over by desire and he stars going harder and faster and grunting and whining in Steve's ear about how beautiful he is and his arms wrap tight around his middle, or grabbing one of his pretty pert newly budding tits.

But when he sees Steve in his hoochie daddy shorts and he sees those thighs spread out, constantly kissing, his mouth goes dry and he just wants them to be his earmuffs.

And fuck yesssss cuffing his hands above his head so he has Steve's body in front of him to teasingly worship.

Eddie stays fully clothed because this is about Steve and he leans in really close kissing up the column of his neck, nibbling at the barest hint of softness under his chin, nuzzling his nose into his downy soft cheek. And he snakes a hand into Steve's boxers, toying with him, getting him hard.

"Do those little sluts you flirt with at family video know what a good little whore you are for me?" It's said so lovingly with a hint of menace and growl. "Are you going to show me how good you can be. I don't want you to cum until I tell you you can. Do you understand?"

"Yes, sir/daddy/Eddie! 🥵🥵"

"good boy/girl/princess"

And then he starts kissing down Steve's front, sucking and tweaking his nipples. Kissing down past his belly button, biting at the soft jiggly lip that's turned into a fully roll having lost its fight with gravity, leveling up from when it was just a little pot, a soft covering over his abs. He roughly tugs Steve's boxers off leaving him completely vulnerable and naked and grabbing him at the base he slowly lowers his head, swallowing Steve down and he just feels Eddie's mane pooling around him.

Eddie can't hold himself back for long though, so he hefts Steve's legs and thighs over his shoulders and really starts going for it, wet and sloppy and like wrapping his arms around Steve's thighs to get him to press them like walls of plush around him, or grabs onto his ass for leverage. And he pulls off with a pop, panting and chuckling dazedly. He turns his head and kisses and bites into soft thigh flesh and he strokes Steve telling him to cum for him baby. it's ok he's got him. And just watching blissed out and carnal as Steves body quakes under him. Soft and filled out because of the love he put into Steve (gotta satisfy a little breeding kink).

God that would be so good

*asterisk because I feel like Eddie has a big ol' donkey dick that you wouldn't expect

[4dtk]

hi! can i request sugar daddy with Ten from wayv <3

hope u dont mind i did it in point format like the other one <3 enjoy

warnings: sugar daddy!au, sorta (mean) dom!ten, switch!ten, fingering, cowgirl, cunnilingus/eating out, face-fucking, oral (f and m receiving), unprotected sex, semi-public sex

N//SFW UNDER THE CUT, MINORS DNI

ten as a sugar daddy would be generous, but would be SOOO annoying when he’s ‘denying’ you your gifts or money. just never ending teasing and “what’s that?” when he wants you to say something stupid like “daddy” or sum shit like that

to be fair, i don’t see him having a daddy kink whatsoever, but he might have a sir kink idk idk

treats you really generously tho. he’s one to give you small gifts here and there randomly even when you’ve never asked for it

likes doing things in surprise too, where you’re buying something in an installment and someone calls you up and says that everything’s been paid for already and you’re like ???????

ten is just like “you could’ve told me you needed money”

fun sugar daddy! he’s very fun in dates and always has things to say when you’re deciding whether to buy this dress or shoes or accessory. highkey fashion freak too so he likes to give his best opinion for the things you can’t decide between.

nothing condescending tho!! just giving his truthful opinion, and he really does love the different options on you, he wouldn’t interfere if you decide to go against his choice either

clingy in public, always holding onto YOUR arm like you’re the sugar daddy/mommy and he’s the baby. it’s so funny to see sometimes but whenever you’re out with ten, he usually looks so much like ur bf that ppl don’t turn their heads if you’re together.

loves dates with other sugar daddy/sugar baby relationships. like nothing sexual, just casual going out to drink and talk over dinner. it might be a little awkward for the sugar babies though, so he would have to make sure you’re okay with socialising with a stranger.

(i’m headcanon-ing that if you’re ten’s sugar baby, you probably would’ve met his other sugar daddy friends sooooo it’s just you and the other sugar baby lol 💀)

lovesss events that he can bring you to, he likes to show you off to his business partners and colleagues and such

always proud when he asks you to wear something that shows other people you’re his. he gets dizzy over it it’s cute lol

he loves to send you to places tho. likes to see you sitting in his car and enjoying the scenery and seeing you sitting in his car gives him serotonin

travelling the world with ten? big yes. bc he can speak so many languages he’s also getting things from designer brands for you in other countries since he has connections overseas too.

fashion shows with ten as a sugar baby is also a common event or thing you’ll need to get used to. likes to keep up with fashion trends and stuff and he gets invited so... win-win situation. likes to pick out your outfit so you’ll match with him at the show

ten is a sorta chill dom in bed, when he wants to dom (sometimes he’s mean, elaborated below). would let you use him whatever way you want, but if you deny him his orgasm or try anything funny like tease he would probably lose control tbh and take.

IF you do use him though, he likes to see you reverse cowgirl in front of the mirror as you bounce on his cock. also likes to see you lean over something and you fuck your hips into his. boosts his ego that his dick is just that good

bro. he’s another one to fuck you on money, this man is FREAKY freaky. remember how i said johnny would do that. yeah he’d ring up johnny just so they can fuck their sugar babies on a king sized just bc they can. foursome ftw

idk how much of you guys want to dom this man, but ten would very much be a power bottom, always spouting some stupid shit about how slow you’re moving, how he can fuck you better.

motherfucker would MOCK your whines when he doms. also mean when he wants to dom. “‘oh god~! oh, fuck~’, c’mon darling, you gotta tell me what you like!” so mean even as a top 😭, but when you start to move at a faster pace, he’ll start whining and grabbing at your hips to keep you grinding

sometimes, would be a service top, eating you out until you thrash under him and you’re left to convulse around his fingers bc he’s been finger fucking you non-stop. loves eating you out and also loves face-fucking you i feel. likes to see u get stuffed with cock one way or another

your cunt doesn’t compare to your mouth though, that’s why he’s naturally more whiny and sensitive when you’re sat on his dick

this man is very versatile tbh LOL it depends on his mood to whether he wants to take the lead or leave you to do so. nice sex life y’all have

clingy after sex too very. lowkey lazy to clean up after as well bc he just wants to be close to you after sex and would very much like to be the small spoon. also likes you to sleep on his chest with one arm around your waist.q

sweetest in the morning, but breakfast? ehhh another story, sometimes he’d wake up to cook something, sometimes not, it depends on his mood

all in all, he’s very much like a bf tbh just with loads of money

n/sfw below besties

“uh huh, that’s right baby girl. is my cock just that good?” ten looks down with eyes full of lust, drinking in the sight of your needy hips fucking back into him while he just stands still. ten doesn’t show how warm and hugging your cunt feels, squeezing his length so well until he’s scrunching his eyes tight at the pleasure. leaned over the counter, the coldness of the surface presses against your front, but you don’t give a shit, rather impatient in wanting to cum with how his cock fiils you up so well until you’re crying out against the counter. ten shuts you up with a hand to your hair, “shut the fuck up. did you forget i have guests over?” through your muddled mind, you can make out how ten rushed you into the bathroom, just so he could get a quick fuck out of the boring business meeting he was in. “’m sorry, sir, but can you please fuck me now?” with a groan, ten rocks back into you, hoping his soundproof walls could cover up the fact he was actually fucking the life out of his sugar baby instead of taking a shit like he told them.

[thequackcity]

Quackity and Schlatt’s Relationship - More Complicated Then You Think

(this is all /rp and about the characters from the dream smp! pls assume i have the dignity not to write analysis of youtubers)

recently there was a bit of discourse surrounding the relationship between Quackity and Schlatt floating around on tumblr. tho i never saw the original post that sparked the conversation, i did see a few posts that were inspired by it mentioning how they disliked that the original post implied that Quackity and Schlatt were mutually abusive and/or equally bad for each other 

since i never saw the original post, i can't be sure if that's what the op meant to imply. it's not really my place to speak about a post that i never got the chance to read. BUT the conversation that was caused by the post in question did get me thinking about how this fandom treats the relationship between Quackity and Schlatt and how little nuance there is in discussions about it

now before i say anything else, i want to make a few things clear:

i don't think Quackity and Schlatt’s relationship is mutually abusive. no need to worry about hearing that from this post

i don't look down on ppl who have different interpretations of their relationship

there will be potentially triggering content in this analysis. i will place a quick warning whenever i think one is needed!

their relationship is romantic in canon and therefore i’ll be treating it as romantic

alright now that we’ve gotten all of that out of the way, we can finally get on with the analysis! i apologize for how long this is gonna be

part 1: let's talk relationship!

i think we can all agree that Quackity and Schlatt’s relationship was not exactly a healthy one. tho it didn't start out that way, it certainly turned into what could be read as abusive or toxic (i personally read their relationship as being abusive in its later half due to evidence provided by the text, but i understand if others prefer to view it as just toxic instead)

but what happened that led to their partnership ending so badly? what caused all of this mess?

well, it was a lot of things. but we will get to that later. let's talk relationship first!

from the very beginning, Quackity and Schlatt’s relationship was pretty one-sided. tho they both clearly liked each other as friends/partners in crime both before and after the election (yes they did interact before the election!) Quackity was also interested in Schlatt romantically- something that Schlatt wasn't fully committed to

as we all know from the infamous date stream and from a few other moments, Quackity and Schlatt enjoyed playfully flirting with each other- tho it was pretty obvious that Quackity was more serious about it then Schlatt was even tho Schlatt considered Quackity to be very attractive

in my opinion, Quackity is someone who wants a long term relationship, while Schlatt is more interested in flings. this can be seen in Schlatt refusing to marry Quackity and rejecting most of his advances while Quackity tried his best to convince him to feel otherwise. Tommy put it best: Quackity is just one of Schlatt’s many bitches U_U

to Quackity, the romantic aspect of their relationship was very important. because Schlatt never actually shot him down or told him that he didn't feel the same way, Quackity took that to mean that they were truly in love. Schlatt on the other hand wasn't very invested in the romantic side of things but clearly valued Quackity’s looks and his support as an ally against Pogtopia so he never fully rejected Quackity’s advances

this might not seem like too big of a deal considering the other things that happened between them, but i think it shows part of the nature of their relationship. there is a lot of miscommunication and, on Schlatt’s end, manipulation of emotions. love is a strong motivator for loyalty and Schlatt is a smart guy who would know how to use that to his advantage

but that isn't to say that Schlatt didn't ever care about Quackity!

Schlatt is a complicated guy and figuring out when he's actually being genuine can be pretty difficult. but i think there are some moments that point to Schlatt genuinely caring about Quackity

when he was alive, Schlatt was pretty paranoid. not as paranoid as Wilbur, but certainly up there. but there were never any times where he truly questioned Quackity’s loyalties after his first day as president. Schlatt also seemed truly upset that Quackity betrayed him, bringing up their status as partners in crime while ranting about how much it hurt him and singling Quackity out while talking about how he had been abandoned during his time of need

Schlatt also spent a lot of time sulking after Quackity betrayed him and whining to Ponk about needing a new bitch. this is in contrast to how angry he was after Tubbo betrayed him- both during and after the execution

there is also the situation with the Big Man Gym 

after being dead for a while, Schlatt contacted Quackity despite them leaving off on bad terms and asked for him to visit him in his cave gym. when Quackity showed up, Schlatt talked about how he valued their relationship and the good times they had together. tho this can easily be seen as emotional manipulation, Schlatt’s a lot smarter than he seems and- if he doesnt have memory issues due to being a ghost- would know that Quackity’s opinion of him was in the dump at the time of his death and most likely wouldn't have improved since then. Fundy has a higher opinion of Schlatt than Quackity does and is someone who obviously craves validation. but Schlatt went to Quackity first anyway and trusted him to help revive him

i think that this is all good evidence that points towards Schlatt truly caring about Quackity as much as someone like Schlatt can care about anyone- or at least valuing him as a companion

i also think that it is pretty common knowledge that Quackity cared about Schlatt- and possibly still does- but i will go over a bit of evidence that i haven’t already mentioned before we move on to the next part

Quackity tried multiple times to impress Schlatt (like when he lied about knowing how to play chess), would attempt to help Schlatt when he was drowning in water, sadly said that they could have had something together while Schlatt was dying in the caravan, and implied that he wouldn’t have left if Schlatt hadn’t taken down the white house. Quackity also willingly went to the Big Man Gym after being summoned there by Schlatt and wanted to revive him long before the revive book became part of the story

part 2: what made it fall apart?

everything i've said so far has been pretty interesting (hopefully) but it doesn't really answer the original question: what went wrong to turn Schlatt and Quackity’s mainly positive partnership sour?

well it comes down to two things in my opinion: their incompatible desires for political power and Schlatt’s deteriorating mental state

Quackity wanted political power from the beginning and wasn't afraid to be open about his desires. he pooled his votes with Schlatt because Schlatt offered him the position of vice president, something Wilbur and Tommy weren’t willing to give to him. tho Quackity obviously cared about L’Manburg and wanted to see good things for it, he also desired power and was willing to team up with someone he didn't fully agree with to get said power

at 32:40 in this video, Quackity talks about how in politics everyone uses everyone so it's alright if Schlatt is using him. he then talks about how he doesn't want to be a man with no power and how he understands that Schlatt’s main goal is also gaining/keeping power. Quackity also shows a bit of his naughty evil side by saying if he overthrows Schlatt then the fun ends too early! 

(side note: these two are pretty evenly matched in intelligence and manipulativeness, i love it!) 

it's a bit of a fandom misconception that Quackity was a love sick yes man during the Manburg era. tho Quackity did want to please Schlatt and was in love with him, he didn't shy away from standing up to or disagreeing with Schlatt when he believed it was needed

at around 26:12 of this video, Quackity and Schlatt meet together in private and Quackity tells Schlatt off for playing down his role in the power structure of Manburg. since this was very early in Schlatt’s reign, Quackity shows no fear towards him and confidently tells him not to treat him like that

Quackity also broke Niki out of jail after regretting letting her be put there in the first place, tried to convince Schlatt to not execute Tubbo, jumped in front of Fundy when Schlatt tried to attack him, tried to stop Schlatt from tearing down buildings, and attempted to protect the white house he built from being destroyed by Schlatt. these are not behaviors of a pure yes man but of someone who, despite fear, has the confidence to speak up for himself even when disrespected by someone in authority

Quackity has always been someone who wanted power and someone who was never a yes man to authority. this contradicts with how Schlatt believed Quackity should act as vice president. in Schlatt’s opinion, Quackity’s one job is to sit around looking pretty while Schlatt does all of the important things and holds all of the power. Schlatt was a big fan of promoting people to worthless positions of authority and its pretty obvious that he considered vice president to be similar to the fake positions he gave Fundy and Tubbo 

in the end, this was a big part of what destroyed their relationship. like it or not, Quackity’s a power hungry guy and always has been. he didn't like that Schlatt constantly shoved him aside and refused to listen to him

now onto the nasty bit...Schlatt’s mental state

cw for mentions of alcoholism, mental deterioration, and abusive behavior  

before i say anything more, i just want to say that i don't think having issues with alcoholism makes someone a bad person. i personally have some issues with such things so it would be pretty stupid of me to say being an alcoholic makes you a bad person. alcoholism does negatively affect your cognitive functions tho and, combined with other health issues, can cause some of the very serious mental problems that Schlatt clearly struggles with

throughout the Manburg era, Schlatt’s mental state rapidly deteriorated. he went from a pretty normal- if eccentric- guy who had a drinking problem, to someone who was delirious most of the time. it's a sharp and noticeable decline that caused a lot of pain for Quackity due to Schlatt often taking his excess aggression out on him by yelling at him and/or belittling him. tho Schlatt often belittled Quackity before he went fully off of the deep end, it was never as aggressive as it was when he was in this delirious state of mind

it was during one of Schlatt’s most aggressive and delirious moments that he tore down the white house despite Quackity’s protests. as we all know, this caused Quackity to snap and kill Schlatt (it's more complicated than that but we will get back to that). as mentioned previously, Quackity implied that he would have stayed with Schlatt if the white house hadn’t been destroyed

in my opinion, these two things combined are the biggest reasons why Quackity and Schlatt’s relationship fell apart. their differing desires for power were not compatible and Schlatt’s awful behavior while his mental state declined caused a rift between them that couldn't be fixed

part 3: how toxic was it really?

cw for emotional and physical abuse 

as i said all the way back in part one, Quackity and Schlatt’s relationship was not healthy. i have provided many examples in the other two parts that shine a light onto why it wasn't healthy, but i didn't show the entire picture

there are many moments that show exactly how Schlatt treated Quackity when he was acting at his worst and none of them are pretty. tho Schlatt was never truly aggressive with his insults until he started to go off of the deep end, that doesn't mean that what he said wasn't negatively affecting Quackity

Schlatt would belittle, insult, and mock Quackity for his appearance not being up to his standards, for his opinions, and for being emotional in ways that Schlatt disapproved of like crying. tho Schlatt would often brush off Quackity’s reactions towards this cruel behavior, it's very clear that Schlatt’s treatment of him has stuck with Quackity in many ways

Quackity is very sensitive about his appearance and it seems to be because of how badly Schlatt hurt his self esteem during their time together. Schlatt tied Quackity’s worth to his appearance and then would claim he wasn't meeting his standards of attractiveness. we can tell that this has stuck with Quackity because of his sensitivity towards people bringing up the scar on his face (something that greatly alters his physical appearance) and he still reacts very badly when Schlatt calls him the mocking nickname flatty patty

speaking of flatty patty- that stupid insult shockingly has a lot of weight in Quackity’s relationship with Schlatt. tho its something the audience is meant to laugh at, the nickname also shows just how little Schlatt respects Quackity because he's constantly throwing it around just to make Quackity upset. Schlatt’s last words are flatty patty all because he wanted to get in one last dig at his ex and ruin Quackity’s day even further 

Schlatt tends to do a lot of things that are intended to make Quackity upset. tearing down the room Quackity made for him in the white house is the biggest example of this- especially since Schlatt mentions how it will upset Quackity while he does it. you can see this moment at around 19:10 of this video

and now let's get into the elephant in the room when it comes to these two: Quackity was scared of Schlatt. tho we never really see Schlatt hit or attack Quackity physically outside of their confrontation at the white house or their confrontation in the caravan, these clips imply that Quackity was at the very least scared of Schlatt physically harming him in some way 

as for actually physically harming him, Schlatt hits Quackity multiple times with a pickaxe and with his fists during their white house fight. Quackity hits Schlatt a couple times too, tho these are all primarily defensive blows since he is trying to protect himself and his property. he also chases after Quackity with a bow after Quackity’s plan to trick him into signing Manburg over to the Pogtopians fails and hits him multiple times during the caravan confrontation

all of this evidence shows that Schlatt was an abusive (or at least toxic) partner towards Quackity and someone who greatly affected him in many ways

tho Quackity did a few questionable things throughout his relationship with Schlatt (such as trying to get Schlatt to have sex with him despite Schlatt not being interested as shown in the later half of this video) and did some downright morally wrong things during his time as vice president of Manburg, no one deserves the pain of an abusive relationship- even a person who has done bad things

as a brief side note before we move on because i know people will bring it up if i skip over it, Quackity did- and most likely still does- want to literally possess Glatt. he brought up reviving Schlatt and using him as a political pawn after Schlatt’s funeral and during their conversation at the Big Man Gym Quackity talked about owning Glatt and having him work at Las Nevadas with no pay

this is unsettling behavior to say the least but this essay isnt about the aftermath of their relationship so much as it is about their relationship when it was actually happening. maybe i will make another post talking more about how Quackity’s relationship with Schlatt affected him even after Schlatt’s death and/or about Quackity’s relationship with Glatt

part 4: final thoughts

i’m not exactly sure why the nuances in Schlatt and Quackity’s relationship get lost when it comes to the fandom, but it’s pretty disappointing to see. hopefully this essay can help people take a closer look at canon and maybe even help them find something interesting that they’d want to explore!

tho the point of this essay is to clear up any misconceptions and hopefully add some nuance to the conversations surrounding Schlatt and Quackity’s relationship, i also wrote it in hopes of showing people how fascinating these two partners in crime were back in the Manburg days. i didn’t cover everything but i think i did a pretty good job for my first analysis post in the dsmp fandom

also since you read to the end, i must say thank you! it really does means a lot to me that you did. i hope you enjoyed and maybe even learned something. this post can be used as a resource if anyone wants to use it as such

here’s a tiny devil Quackity for your troubles <3

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Good god I can’t do this. I gotta break my personal rule to not make txt posts on the internet because I GOTTA say something or I’m going to burst.

I cannot, cannot, for the life of me understand Freela as a ship.

I think most ppl are more willing to give it a pass or just shrug and say it’s cute because no one dislikes Fry or Leela as characters, and hell, I don’t even dislike Leela (she’s awesome, I love her, 11/10) but I cannot wrap my head around WHY this ship is canon when it’s written so fucking badly. I’m not even against het ships bc I have plenty I absolutely love, but this one just hits a nerve in me and it grates me even more every time I rewatch Futurama. The older I get, I’ve gone from initially finding it cute to just, loathing it.

Hhrgh ok before people point pitchforks at me, lemme try to explain… my thoughts are kinda all over the place but my biggest gripe with Freela is that it is so ONE-SIDED and FORCED. Leela NEVER shows interest in Fry unless her other options (literally anyone else) don’t work out. She views Fry as childish, immature, and bosses him around much to Fry’s dislike. Most of the time (if not exclusively) whenever she shows any appreciation for Fry, it’s over what he does for her, but she never shows interest in doing anything back for him. You never see her make any grand gestures of love or affection towards Fry.

And ok, yeah, when Fry is saving her life by giving her his oxygen, or jumping in front of a killer bee to try to protect her, it’s easy to go “aww” and want them to end up together. But, at least for me, I realized most of that was directed at how I found it sweet that Fry cares about Leela, not that the two of them are a good couple. Fry loves Leela enough to give his life for her and try to protect her, (but he also feels similarly about Bender, in godfellas really the only reason he even eventually gave up in looking for Bender was because Leela convinced him it was time to move on), but it’s, genuinely something that makes me sad because when does Leela ever return that energy? She doesn’t. Fry pines over her for YEARS in the show timeline and she just constantly turns him down and rejects him, and shows blatant disinterest, until she almost seems worn down because none of her other options are working out.

And maybe you want them to end up together, because you want Fry to be happy, but it sticks out so sorely that Fry isn’t the kind of person Leela wants. Without even getting into how uncomfortable the writing is with Fry constantly pestering and pushing himself onto her and whining that she won’t date him when she explicitly tells him no over and over (the way Futurama treats consent wigs me out but that’s a whole different topic), whenever Leela does show interest in Fry, it’s NEVER because Fry is someone she would pursue or even sees potential in.

This is constantly reinforced throughout the show, such as in the episode where the parasites allow Fry to express his feelings for Leela in a romantic way, the climax/takeaway is that Leela is won over by Fry’s romantic gestures that fit what she wants, but has no interest in him as a person or his gestures when it comes from himself, and even feels grossed out by him at the end.

In The Devil’s hands are idle playthings, ok, yeah, Leela let’s Fry finish his song at the end, and you can say it’s sweet that she listens, but if anything it just feels sad because Fry is trying to express his love for her, and because it’s not ~good~, she’s not even watching with the intent to date him or return the feelings, she just lets him pour his heart out to her I guess, just because, to be nice? is it pity?

Everything about it makes me sad at how empty it all feels! You see a character like Fry be so affectionate and loving, and Leela on the other hand is clearly more independent and goal oriented so she’s not really the kind of person Fry would really get to have his energy matched with.

Not to mention in The Sting, throughout Leela’s whole fever dream after being poisoned, she never expresses missing or wanting to be with Fry because she loves him, she just constantly states that she feels responsible and guilty for his death, but her subconscious has Bender state that Fry is the one person he always excluded from “kill all humans”.

Even in Bender’s Big Score, Leela isn’t interested in Lars (older Fry) because he is like Fry. Lars is a completely different personality, much more mellowed out, completely lacking in basically every characteristic that makes Fry, well, Fry (can you even consider Lars to be Fry when he doesn’t even express anything towards his first friend he made in the future, Bender? lol). I think the point the writers were trying to get at is that Fry still had some growing or maturing to do, but honestly, it’s presented in the worst way possible. Fry is, what?, in his late 20s/early 30s in the show timeline by this point, is he really supposed to wait until he’s like 40 so he’s finally “good enough” for Leela? Is he supposed to become a completely different person so she’ll finally see him as dating material? Like, everything about this is basically just saying that Fry can have Leela, but only if he stops being Fry. Meanwhile, in this same movie, Bender cries for a thousand years because he was forced to kill Fry, and immediately runs and jumps into his arms as soon as he sees Fry is ok. Then to make it even worse, after Leela realizes Lars WAS Fry, she still didn’t decide to try a relationship with Fry, making it apparent she does not see Fry as Lars. They may as well just be different people. Plus, Lars was just, being romantic and suave and wooing her, and once again there wasn’t really anything she was doing to pursue him...

The whole series focuses on Fry having to change himself to be what Leela wants in a romantic partner, never Leela actually liking Fry for being himself. She can’t stand most of his habits, and it throws me even more for a loop that the focus is on Fry having to figure out the right way to win her over, as if if you perform a certain amount of steps properly, you can get someone to like you. It’s just, bad.

Like why is their relationship written SO BAD?! It’s so so so bad.

You can’t tell me that Fry and Leela are supposed to end up together when their romantic chemistry is in the negative, Fry has to both push himself onto Leela, make constant one-sided grand gestures to win her over, give his life for her multiple times, and change his entire personality to be appealing to her over YEARS, and she has to fail with everyone else to finally consider him.

MEANWHILE, Bender, fucking Bender, is so happy to be Fry’s roommate, considers Fry the most important person in his life, is always hugging him, throwing himself at Fry, shows open affection, cries over him, becomes sober when Fry doesn’t give him attention. Even Bender’s negative traits, like his possessiveness, jealousy, are directed at Fry in such an intense manner, that regardless of whether or not it’s healthy, it’s just, precious? sweet? The lengths he’ll go to for Fry’s attention and approval. The entire ending of Beast with a billion backs is Bender being unable to handle not being with Fry and so getting him back, and Yivo feeling cheated on because Fry sent a letter to Bender, meanwhile Leela wanted nothing to do with Fry and even said she needed space from him. Bender loves Fry just the way he is. Fry doesn’t have to change himself to be with Bender, they already live together, they have the same interests (I don’t even think Fry and Leela share interests), they love to goof off and laugh together, Fry is just, himself around Bender. He’s happy around Bender. All these things that make me throw up my hands and ask why Fry and Leela weren’t written this way if they were supposed to get together.

In the episode where Fry is a mutant, Leela wouldn’t even touch him, while Bender just threw himself into Fry’s arms.

And like, here’s the thing, Leela and Fry as characters don’t even have a bad dynamic on paper. Like, I get it! The tough girlboss type character and her dorky idiot bf IS a cute dynamic, but the writers just, wrote them so badly? Like, even if you try to argue it’s to follow the trope of “will-they-won’t-they”, you could easily do that without Leela showing negative interest in Fry? Without Fry having to force himself on her? It could have just been that she DOES want to date him but has hang ups about relationships, or that Fry is too scared to confess to her, if they could have just have, a natural progression of growing closer without all the forced shit inbetween of Fry begging her to date him and Leela saying no and showing her blatant disinterest a million times.

I know some people like to poly ship Fry, Leela, and Bender also but even as someone who is 100% on board w/ poly ships, I can’t see that here either because neither Bender or Fry really are what, Leela wants.

But don’t get me wrong, Fry, Bender and Leela have a great dynamic, those three interacting is WHY I watch the show, but Leela very much exudes mom-friend energy, like she has to chaperone these two dorks and so it’s not really about her getting her needs met...

So uh yeah, i think there’s more I want to say, I could pick out so many specific examples but I’ll stop this here because it’s getting long, maybe i’ll write an essay. But,,

Freela sucks.

Actually the ship just pisses me off I’m not even going to give it the “well they are cute” treatment. I want to see Fry have his clingy, affectionate energy matched because it just makes me sad to think about the fact that he wouldn’t get that from Leela, but Bender would absolutely baby and smother him in affection and return his energy 110%, as he should. Bender loves Fry exactly as the idiot manchild he is.

Those two should have ended up together, or at the very least Freela shouldn’t have been canon. But whatever, I know ppl will say it’s a product of its time, but good god it still pisses me off how mediocre the writing is.

I’m FUCKING FERAL I’M FOAMING AT THE MOUTH OVER THIS.