#it has always bothered me that they didn't try to stop spock

[painofhumanity]

Remember when Spock almost killed Jim because Jim provoked him shortly after his mother's death, and everyone just stood there watching as he literally choked the life outta Jim? And the only reason he didn't kill Jim was that he heard his dad calling his name?

[damnfandomproblems]

Responding to 3 anons in #5796

"I agree with this tbh. Like adults are the ones making things unsafe for minors in fandom spaces. YOU are the ones who approach minors unprompted. Minors are just minding their own business in fandom, then you all come along and bother everyone."

Predators that are adults are not synonymous with all adults in fandom. It's not the fault of the vast majority of fandom that kids purposefully bust into adult spaces and arbitrarily believe the creeps saying they're "safe" adults. It's the fault of your parents for not reaching you worth a damn and the predator. And yes, kids do fucking barge into adult NSFW spaces. None of the the ones that say they mind their business actually do.

"I agree with this post, cause like... the ones doing the most harassing are adults. I am a minor, and it makes me feel unsafe in fandom spaces. Especially when I see adults drawing nsfw of characters who are MINORS! aging them up does not excuse that gross and creepy behavior. Just stop and give us a space where we don't get pushed into a corner and called annoying. Leave our fandom spaces!"

It's gonna be really funny when you age out of your favorite characters and have a moral dilemma over the fact that you don't stop thirsting over Bakugo or whoever the fuck the minute you're older than him.

And aging up is...how time works. That's like saying no one can view anyone sexually, fictional or real life, because they were once a child. Do you realize how stupid that sounds? If you don't want to be sat at the kids table, learn how to behave rather than screaming at the main table because Aunt Milly told an off color joke and Grandpa Joe has a naked Princess Peach tattooed on his arm.

"I see people getting mad about Fandom Problem #5796, but that kind of is just proving the point? You all act like the minors are the biggest problem in fandom, but you are the ones constantly inserting yourselves and making it about you.

I see adults say things like:

- "Fandom wouldn't exist without adults."

- "Who do you think created fandom? Not minors!"

- "Minors wouldn't have content if it weren't for adults."

All are ignorant of the idea that minors are the foundation to fandom. Fandom would not exist if it wasn't for minors being interested in it and starting groups for people to join. Often times, the best artists and writers in the fandoms are THE MINORS.

Adults make the space uncomfortable by inserting themselves and putting NSFW fics and art of minor characters. Then they get pissy when a minor points out it makes them uncomfortable and go "stop invading our space!"

You are the ones trying to push minors out when we just want to have fun! Just leave us alone!

-A minor"

Minors aren't the biggest problem, no. But by food are they the loudest. You say you just want to have fun but minors have on mass harassed people that were leaving them alone simply because they didn't understand the concept of dead dove don't eat.

And no, you are not, nor have you ever been, the foundation of fandom. It has always been adults, from the very beginning when Sherlock Holmes novels gained an international fan club unlike the world had ever seen to the 1960s housewife Spock/Kirk shipping Trekkies starting conventions, mailing lists, having coalate parties for zines, and laying down the foundation we have today. Adults were the ones that got sued my lunatic writers in the 90s, and they're the ones that, 90% of the time, are buying the services or media for you to consume in the first place.

And I'm sorry, but the best artists and writers in the fandom are never minors. Exceptionally talented minors are exceptional for a reason. The rest of you sit somewhere between "average and has potential" to "would make My Immortal hide its face in secondhand embarassment." Art and writing are skills, and anyone under the age of 16 likely hasn't been writing fiction long enough to run with the heavy hitters. Considering the state of the US education system, this is an even more laughable stance.

Many minors have great potential, but acting like your the best in show when you just made it out the gate is the height of hubris.

Posting as a response to a previous problem.

[je-brille-dans-la-nuit]

Watching TOS - not-carbon-based life! Jim is embarrassed! I love it all

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The Devil in the Dark - loooved it

It's a really good episode, with real tension (I was so scared for the Horta) and highly emotional! Discovering new form of life and trying hard to communicate with it! to understand it! Empathy for the alien! Overcoming the fear of the unknown!

Jim being ready to kill it to stop the murders and Spock appalled by the idea, then Jim standing in front of it, seeing immediately it's not hostile and talking to it? While Spock in the communicator, upon hearing Jim is 10 ft from it, "Kill it, captain, quickly"??? Poetic cinema. So good

"No kill I" then the mind meld with the Horta? I was crying. So well done. Nimoy's acting is perfect.

(yes these are EGGS it's obvious these are EGGS you know these are EGGS Spock)

I had to laugh at Jim trying to keep Spock away from the search, by telling him,

KIRK: Mister Spock, you are second in command. This will be a dangerous hunt. Either one of us by himself is expendable. Both of us are not.

Lmao that literally never bothered you before Jim

And of course their final banter always on point.

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Errand of Mercy

You think you don't want war and when you meet pacifists who won't let you wage war, you're all mad. It was interesting seeing Jim closer to the Klingon in this moment, than to the pacifists - and then regretting it. For once he wasn't right about something. And it's a brilliant foil to his role in A Taste of Armageddon.

Otherwise a nice enough episode, with some high points:

Hilarious that they both (Jim&Spock) beam down (and of course get taken by aliens) after Jim acknowledged in the previous episode that it's quite stupid.

Jim being so insistent on making the Organians understand what's coming for them and the risk they face as Klingons are a military dictatorship

Once again being threatened with being mind-wiped, just another day in Captain Kirk's life.

No creature can resist Jim Kirk, even a Klingon commander is like "oooh that's the famous captain of the Enterprise!" *starry eyes*

This omg:

KIRK: I'm embarrassed. I was furious with the Organians for stopping a war I didn't want. We think of ourselves as the most powerful beings in the universe. It's unsettling to discover that we're wrong.

Ha. Learned something there did you Jimbo? (lovingly)

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The Alternative Factor

I love the whatthefuck plots, I love how whimsical this show is. And I liked this episode - yay parallel universe! - although the ending is darker and less optimistic than previous ones.

KIRK: Sometimes pain can drive a man harder than pleasure. I'm sure you know that, Doctor.

-> I'm not saying anything but i'm THINKING really loudly about it

Jim being so done with Bones and Spock made me laugh

I love when Jim and Spock get to the same conclusion at the same time :')

There are some very dramatic close-ups happening in this episode

The ending is haunting me:

KIRK: There is, of course, no escape. How would it be? Trapped forever with a raging madman at your throat until time itself came to a stop? For eternity. How would it be? SPOCK: Captain, the universe is safe. KIRK: For you and me. But what of Lazarus? What of Lazarus?

[lenievi]

I think the whole jaded McCoy thing is a classic case of fandom taking a particular moment or minor trait and expanding it to smother more accurate characterization. It’s been a while since I’ve watched tos in it’s entirety so forgive my memory lol but I feel like McCoy does get…frustrated on occasion. Frustrated might not be the right word. But he is often more level or even I think optimistic or hopeful at times but he has occasional morose moments or he gets in a debate and might try to be grounding. Does that make sense? Anyway I think that some AOS characterization might bleed through (and I say this as someone with a lot of affection for AOS) and result in potentially flawed characterizations such as energized and overeager Kirk and grouchy done with everything bones replacing a more somber but good humored Kirk and sometimes dry humored but also twinkly eyed McCoy. That’s just my take though.

Yes, it definitely is the classic case of taking one thing/facet and running with it... (plus AOS influence on newer fans - I'm talking as if I wasn't a new fan lol - AOS itself was influenced by pre-AOS pop culture) and it's not that I don't understand it, it's just a bit frustrating that it's kinda the default. What's McCoy like? He's grumpy, done with everything and tired, and mean to Spock. (If people like spones: mean (affectionate) lol) He's an "old country doctor".

And yeah, he gets frustrated, he gets tired, angry, stressed... so does Kirk. But McCoy as a character is strongly tied to both Kirk and Spock as a tool to show their emotions when neither of them can. He gets angry or frustrated because Kirk can't. He shows his worry about Kirk by lashing out at Spock to do something because Spock can't show he's worried. BUT when Kirk or Spock starts to act emotional, he isn't. He grounds them (he often serves as a grounding tool for Kirk). Basically, he's got layers. But I digress....

And just to be clear, this isn't about fanfics. I believe that people can use whatever characterization they want in fanfics and explore all kinds of things, all kinds of dynamics, all kinds of character facets. This is about how the show, and I'm primarily talking about the 5ym only, is viewed and talked about (not about fan creations). And I understand it's hard to keep up the characterization straight when you have 5ym, TOS films, and AOS, or when you don't watch the original series much anymore (I re-watch the show fairly frequently, but I will still find new aspects of the characters every single time). It's just a bit frustrating, that's all (but it's kinda funny that a post I didn't actually tag with any searchable tags, got almost 100 notes...) And sometimes I will make a post and then someone will react in the tags with these "preconceived notions" (not always just about McCoy) that are missing the point of my post, so that's double frustrating 😂 (please don't stop talking to me in tags though 😅)

But basically, McCoy doesn't hate Starfleet, his primary feelings about Kirk and Spock aren't "you're so annoying and I'm tired", he doesn't want to retire, he's not bothered by the missions... and he doesn't think of himself as old.... not during the 5ym. He most likely has and expressed most of those thoughts in The Final Frontier when he's like 60 - but it's mostly a facade, and most importantly, it isn't 40+yo McCoy during the 5ym mission.

(anyway, just my opinion written in a very messy way, and it might be wrong and incorrect 😅)