#in case anyone is unaware

[poisonousquinzel]

Oh! And don't take my comments at the end regarding the kiss edit / homina comment as disregarding Amanda Conner and Jimmy Palmiotti's role in this. I think both things can be true at the same time, DC can have not allowed Harlivy to be monogamous and AC & JP can have been completely okay with that choice.

Cause I do not have the slightest trust in either of their abilities to handle LGBT topics, considering Jimmy's in part behind this disgusting ass comic where this interaction somehow isn't even close to being the worst thing to have occurred in regards to the writing of / surrounding the Sirens in it.

But also considering the countless instances throughout the 2014/2016 comics where it's either grossly sexualized harassment, transphobia, racism, having a sapphic woman star as the bad guy in the Harley and Her Gang Of Harley's comic or something who's prev girlfriend is shown in graphic detail overdosing, or how that woman is grossly written being sexually predatory with Harley thoughout, the complete and utter tone deaf writing in just about every possible serious situation, and this linked post covers just the parts that randomly came to mind.

I have no doubt I could beat or rival the length of my Janet rant currently (12k+) if I went through everything these two tainted with their fucked writing for Harley in their time being her primary creators for so so damned many years. And honestly I likely will one day when I reach that point on the archive blog skdjsksks

Ha, oh, or how they opened their run off sexualizing Harley committing suicide in "humorous" fashions and held an art contest where people's prompt was her being suicidal.

In September 2013, DC Comics announced an art contest entitled "Break into comics with Harley Quinn!", in which contestants were to draw Harley in one of four different suicide scenarios. This contest drew controversy not only because it was announced close to National Suicide Prevention Week, but also because of the sexualized portrayal of Harley Quinn in the fourth scenario, in which the character attempts suicide while naked in her bathtub, which was highly criticised. The American Foundation for Suicide Prevention, American Psychiatric Association, and National Alliance on Mental Illness all responded to the controversy in an emailed group statement to the Huffington Post: "We are disappointed that DC Comics has decided to host a contest looking for artists to develop ways to depict suicide attempts by one of its main villains – Harley Quinn". After seeing the reactions to the contest, DC Comics apologized, saying they should have made it clear it was a dream sequence that was not supposed to be taken seriously. In the final version, the bathtub scene was cut and replaced with Harley Quinn sitting on a rocket while flying in space.

[Wiki]

And now I know, I know, Harley's canonical suicide ideations that had occured multiple times before this contest (the Detective Comics & Batman: Harley Quinn parts linked above) weren't and aren't exactly commonly talked about parts of her lore, but it was also rarely (if ever) acknowledged when giving criticism of this contest.

Which I think is an oversight tbf, they weren't just requesting fans draw and submit panels sexualizing one of their female villains in emotional distress attempting suicide, they were doing it to a female character with a history of suicidal thoughts and having her trauma and emotional distress shoved aside for the sake of being sexualized humourous eye candy aimed largely at a male audience. Her popping out of a pudding pie and making an innuendo towards Joker is a more known Moment of hers than the abuse that directly follows it legitimately seconds later.

This was no different, and this was a pattern Amanda Conner and Jimmy Palmiotti happily continued by sexualizing sa, sexual harassment, esc throughout their chapters and comics with Harley going forward.

DC may have apologized, but not only was this contest still something that was conceptualized, allowed, approved and greenlit, it is also something they didn't feel so bad about considering ig just everyone involved in the publishing of the director's cut #0 thought publishing this was actually still appropriate to present to the public !

Jimmy: This page got us a lot of press for all the wrong reasons. It was made into a contest to try out some new artists. The winner would get their page published. As you can see, Jeremy Roberts was picked after we saw hundreds of the tryout pages. When I wrote the descriptions of the panels, I was keeping them as simple as possible and left off the dialogue to add later. The theme and spirit of the page was to test the artist's storytelling ability and interaction within a scene. As well, we were placing Harley in ridiculous situations so we would get to see some variety in the facial reactions.

Long story short, because I described Harley "naked" in a bathtub with appliances about to drop into the tub, people jumped on the fact that I was somehow trying to sensationalize suicide. What I didn't want was Harley wearing her suit, so I used shorthand to explain this. My mistake.

like yeah, if you say "draw her naked in a bathtub" people are going to draw her uh naked in the tub where you get naked before getting in??? Idk if I'd say it was sensationalizing suicide, but it was making light of it and undermining the severity of the situations they prompted people to draw her in.

These weren't "ridiculous situations", they were tone deaf scenarios making light of people who are at such a low point that they would be willing to go to extreme lengths to die.

Having her trying to bait crocodiles to eat her alive isn't funny, that's horrifying. Its horrific to imagine the low mental state someone would have to be in to want death so badly that they try to bait violent wild animals to eat them alive. Like ??????? that's not some funny ridiculous situation what's wrong with them.

[Still Jimmy] That the tryout Harley Quinn page went out without an overall description of tone and dialogue is all my fault. I should have put it clearly in the description that it was supposed to be a dream sequence with Amanda and me talking to Harley and giving her a hard time. I should have also mentioned we were thinking a MAD magazine/Looney Tunes approach was what we're looking for. We thought it was obvious with the whale and chicken suit, and so on, but learned it was not. I am sorry for those who took offense, our intentions were always to make this a fun and silly book that broke the fourth wall, and head into issue 1 with an ongoing story/adventure that is a lot like the past POWER GIRL series we did. I hope all the people thinking the worst of us can now understand that insulting or making fun of any kind was never our intention.

Amanda: Under the circumstances, Jeremy did a fantastic job on the page. I hope he had fun on it 'cause it sure looks like he did. I love how on the third panel, it looks like Moby Dick is floating around New York Harbor.

As far as the controversy goes, Harley was part of a team called the "Suicide Squad," and it was supposed to be a play on words about that. The page description that went out was really brief and bare-boned. When I saw that it was getting across the wrong message, I went into more detail with the description, but by then, it was too late. The fecal matter has already collided with the revolving atmospheric circulation device. I thought the ridiculousness of the second and third panels would get across the nonsensical feel of the page, but not so much.

It definitely was not intended to be as lascivious as many people thought. The following is an example of what I had hoped for in my head:

[Small picture of Harley, nude and sitting up in the bathtub with her knees visible, covering her chest from view. The bath is full of bubbles, a rubber duck resting on her right knee. Her hair is up in space buns. She's holding an oversized pair of scissors that are about the size of her body. Six separate appliances hang above her, we can see 2 of the plugs hanging in the air. The scissors are open and about to clip the cord that's tied to one of the tub stands.]

Harley Quinn is a chaotic and unpredictable woman, her attempting to commit suicide in nonsensical fashions is not as jarring and clearly a made up over exaggerated ridiculous situations because she is a character that could be written in character doing similar things.

If that makes sense?

"our intentions were always to make this a fun and silly book", then why the fuck would you include suicidal scenarios? why even go there?? that's not a light tone that can be easily projected humorously.

And, why even be like "What I didn't want was Harley wearing her suit, so I used shorthand to explain this. My mistake." when the art Amanda had put in here as an example under "what I had hoped for in my head" features her just naked. Visibly fully naked, bare skinned.

So, the intention...was for her to be naked?

and oh no, they didn't end it there! To top it all off, after going through the rest of the covers and whatnot, they just go ahead and include all the finalists! ya know, the ones that included the panel of her attempting suicide in a bathtub?

The ones Amanda and Jimmy said above just needed better elaborated context of it being a dream sequence where they're talking to Harley and she wasn't supposed to be naked naked?

well, lucky us here's all 6 finalists without the goddamn boxes! just plain old panels! isn't that so nice and great and appropriate!

and from what I can find looking up each name and connecting them to artists in the industry, every single one of these finalists who drew these prompts that DC decided to publish are all men. I'll repeat what I said above, Harley is a female character with a history of suicidal thoughts and having her trauma and emotional distress shoved aside for the sake of being sexualized humourous eye candy aimed largely at a male audience.

sorry if I'm not really getting the humor from any of these, getting a lot of Leg and Cleave, and A Bunch Of Depression Vibes

but no humor. dialogue bubbles doesn't change the feel these panels have. A dialogue box would not make context surrounding these panels funny because suicide isn't fucking funny and shouldn't be used as a punchline. this isn't even dark humor you can't excuse it with that.

and they didn't even include the dialogue! this is just the actual no context idea they said people were mistaking it as and DC turned around and just published, officially published, 6 separate back to back pages featuring textless panels drawn by men of Harley Quinn, a canonical victim of IPV at the hands of her boyfriend who has shown suicidal ideation in two separate comics written by Paul Dini, "humorously" trying to end her own life or have animals eat her to end her own life.

wow, how fucking funny.

This is in no way a damned play on words, Amanda, because what the fuck do these prompts have to do with the Squad she was forced to participate in at threat of a bomb detonating in her neck, where she got tortured and sent off on SUICIDE MISSIONS, that she did not excitedly volunteer to go on because she just loves chaotic death and suicide??????

my main issue with Harlivy not being monogamous is that the idea exists solely because DC is homophobic. I think, in some worlds, they could have a healthy poly relationship, obviously I love harliva (Gotham City Sirens), I stand by that this would be a wonderful dynamic if ya know written by competent and skilled writers who actually understand all their characters.

And frankly I dont feel like Harley is one who typically would be okay with sharing the person she's in love with. she's just not. maybe in a case where she and the person she's in love with / dating are both also in love with another, who's equally into the both of them.

But

That's not what's happening in Harley & Ivy's comics right now. That's not what's ever happened with this "open relationship".

I think Mason was healthy and sweet for Harley, from what I remember, but Ivy didn't love him and he didn't love Ivy. It's understandable to a degree, Ivy's reasonings and such, and in a different world with better writers I think that aspect could have been explored and developed.

Because Ivy does, truly, deeply, love Harley, and the idea she would be okay with Harley having hookups, etc, could be explained in a way that would make sense. Particularly during the part of Harley's arc that the 2014/2016 comics were, well, were supposed to be, dealing with.

She's freshly broken up with Joker, not really fully into a healing phase either, and isn't in the right mindset to be like settling down and thinking of Forever again. Harlivy's relationship is strong and built on friendship, so even in the beginning there while their relationship isn't Platonic, it's not "Officially Dating", Ivy knows how deeply Harley also cares about her. She also knows Harley isn't in a good place, and neither was she.

So her being okay, or outright happy for Harley, being loved by other people would make some sense because all Ivy's tried to do their whole friendship is prove that she deserved better, that she deserved to be loved and cherished. And as long as whoever is the pick of the month for Harley is someone who makes her feel happy and loved, then Ivy wouldn't feel jealous over it because damn, good for her being so happy messing around with someone who isn't as nasty and cruel as Joker. And it wouldn't take away from the real underlying feelings the two women have for one another.

But, again, that's not what this is. And it is now a "dynamic" that's bled into both Poison Ivy (2022) and Harley Quinn (2021), and has ultimately (due to the sheer lack of shown conversations or anything) devolved to borderline cheating.

In all honestly, this isn't a thing that'd exist if she was still with Joker and him alone. 1000%.

She would be with him and him only and would be depressed, insecure and jealous if he had a "friend" like Janet who he'd fucked before and continued to keep around.

This concept was only introduced because DC wouldn't allow for Harlivy to be openly in a monogamous relationship in 2014/2016. This is the company that in 2013 lost both the artist and writer for the Batwoman comic (artist: JH Williams III and writer: W. Haden Blackman) due to the company refusing to allow them to show Kate get married. It's not ooc for them to have refused to let them be monogamous, especially since Harlivy wasn't even allowed to be shown kissing on the lips at the time.

cause forbid sapphic women are allowed to be shown being outright loving and romantic with each other and doing something as ridiculously simple and mundane as a lip kiss, but having Ivy grab her ass in front of two dudes is totally okay cause it's hot.

it's so hot in fact that they needed to add in Tool dude, a fucking loser ass creep, saying "homina" in response to getting to see these two hot ladies like this. It seems like this is supposed to be a version of "Hummina"

Wiktionary: used to express that one has a strong reaction that cannot be expressed in words, especially when expressing embarrassment or sexual attraction.

Urban Dictionary: gibberish used to convey excitement or immediate sexual attraction to someone that takes your breath away.

Or the definitions for "Homina" itself

Urban Dictionary: A word, normally repeated three times, to express shock, befuddlement, or general speechlessness. Often when looking at a particularly attractive member of the speaker's favored sex

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A sound you make when you see someone very attractive and beautiful. Similar to "hubba-hubba" or "a-woo-gah a-woo-gah" or "rwaaaarrr!"

[AND! I think the dynamics with her relationships with Joker and Ivy during the Mad Love arc is ridiculously complex and cannot be boiled down to "she cheats on him with Ivy so its in character for them to not be monogamous" because it takes away all context of both relationships and the mental state she'd have been in during that arc that was directly caused by him.

Her hooking up with Ivy while still being on / off again with Joker, a man who had broken her mind, her bones and her self esteem, is not at all similar or equatable to the pointless, ooc strange plot threads that've been published recently that frankly are just starting to feel like it's playing into biphobic stereotypes]

anyyyhoo, those are my thoughts<3 I have to finish cleaning my room now I sporadically wrote this on a short break SKDJSJKSKSKS

[geezmarty]

hi falin hiiii (titties out vr on twitter)

[pixellangel]

the moment i found out about fast reblogs my life changed for the better

[laddersmp3]

DAN AND PHIL VS. THE WORLD

[bugcatcherkit]

whyd they think marriage was a good idea

[highschoolfrenemy]

That's what makes the betrayal hurt so much.

[redfirefox-55]

I’ve done a bit of complaining lately, but one must adapt and and overcome

Unfortunately due to recent situations involving the user

@/hmrgarita on Pinterest (I KNOW you go through the Nine Sols tag on tumblr)

All my artworks will be posted like this from now on, with my lovely username covering at least 30% of the picture, at least until they take down the drawings of mine they reposted, without my permission or even credit, like I requested THREE times.

Also while I am here, if you have drawn fanart for Nine Sols and care about your art being reposted, please be aware that this person hasn’t only reposted my artwork, but LOTS of artwork I’ve seen on the Nine Sols tag on tumblr. Like, so so much. I advise looking up their account on Pinterest and checking to see if they’ve reposted your work, and reporting them if you’re able.

[stygmatus]

ED WENT IN FOR ANOTHER KISS AND WE NEVER KNEW

[unbeeliever]

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, I hate when a character is out for revenge and they get caught up in some romantic shit that seeks to detract from the revenge quest. This is no time to be clapping cheeks, we have graves to fill. It’s one thing if the romantic interest aligns with this quest, but it’s another if they want the character to stop. No booty is worth the debt owed imo

[communistcephalopod]

I am and always have been an Edelgard defender who believes she did basically nothing wrong, but her involvement with Kronya has always confused me a little tbh.

[ssaltlicker]

Also from the watch party: SOMETHING will happen in ep8 and that episode will have fantastic by king princess in it. Amanda also noted its her favorite scene and song in arcane. We MAY actually be getting gex

[cannedpeachlover]

some misc ariesdoc doodles

[thebad-lydrawn-sanses]

Does dream have a carrying crewmates guide too? Can we see it??

calamar pequeño // small squid bien // good mal // bad "¿soy bonita?" // "am i pretty?" no habla español // he doesn't speak spanish jajaaa muy pequ-eñoooo // hahaaa very smaaaall gran // big el grita.. (jaja) // he yells.. (haha)

Blu (mispelling of Blue) bien // good mal // bad x2 // x2 muy azul // very blue

[samglyph]

Hope you draw Oscar again, that post made my day 0.1% better

I can never make any promises but just for you here’s an unused sketch that I drew while doing my drawings for the episode aka how I think Arthur should have said thank you

[cathodic-clairvoyant]

Oh hi there transfem discussing her experience in the trans community i just had a quick question about your post

What does tme mean?

Oh okay i see i understand, thank you.

What does transmisogyny mean?

Ah I see, I get it.

What's a trans woman?

Oof scary. One last question.

What's a woman?

Thank you for being my own personal google (not like you had anything better to do right?) and derailing the point of your post for my own personal education. I will now add nothing of value to this post in return. Bye bye!

[callalily314159]

Anyone else ever think about how well Sans from undertale and Brook from one piece would get along

And almost certainly they would both become 1000x more insufferable from it