#im so sorry you have to deal with him lazarus

[b0nelessdoodles]

it has been far too long since i drew these guys what a funny pair of mean old men

attack for @lazyfrenchfrycollection !

[beatriceeagle]

heyy! i found your tumblr from your ao3 and some mutuals and godd i could talk about ur fics for ages! i do have some questions though, i recently got into reading comics and i was wondering

why did bruce believe the other superman in infinite crisis when he said earth's heroes had lost their way?

and how was jason actually resurrected?

and what are your thoughts on the relationship between dick & bruce

it would also REALLYY help if you could give me the names of the comics to read for this info! not sure how active u are on this and u dont have to answer at all but i hope this ask finds you well and having an amazing day <3

i know 3 questions is a lot haha and im really sorry for bothering youu

No worries at all, this was fun to answer! (By the way, I'm still semi-active on my DC sideblog: @flybynightwing.)

The comics to read for the answers to your first two questions are Identity Crisis for the first, and Batman: Under the Hood and Red Hood: The Lost Days for the second. (And I guess Infinite Crisis if you want to get really into the weeds.) Nutshell answers: Bruce believes that Earth's heroes have lost their way because he recently discovered that years ago, a group of JLA members secretly wiped the memory of a supervillain who sexually assaulted Sue Dibney, and then wiped Batman's memories when he realized what they'd done. Jason was resurrected when Superboy Prime punched a hole in reality, which ended up kind of copy-pasting the timeline in which survived the Joker's bomb over the timeline where he died. (It's complicated. But that's the gist.) He was initially basically catatonic, but recovered his faculties after Talia al Ghul dunked him in a Lazarus Pit.

As for my thoughts on Dick and Bruce's relationship... I could fill several fics with those. (And I mean. I have!) There's no particularly good way to nutshell those thoughts, because their relationship is long (DC's longest) and complex and intense. I think they are the most important people in each other's lives. I think they saved each other. I think Bruce has treated Dick so so so so badly and caused him just an unbelievable amount of psychological damage. I think Bruce is the person Dick admires most in the world and that that is not unrelated to the psychological damage. I think Dick is the person Bruce admires most in the world and yet he can usually only express that in fucked up mind games. I think they actually enjoy each other's company a lot when they're not fighting.

The comics I would recommend reading to answer this last question are basically the entire history of Batman, Nightwing, and Titans comics, but to give you a short list:

Dark Victory, for the most-cited Post-Crisis Robin origin story

Robin: Year One, for a look at how Post-Crisis tended to reinterpret Dick and Bruce's early years

New Teen Titans Vol 1 #39, Batman Vol 1 #416, Nightwing: Year One, for three versions of how Dick stopped being Robin (each one retcons the previous—it will give you a sense of how the story shifted over the years)

New Titans Vol 1 #55 and Batman: Year Three, for a look at how Bruce and Dick's relationship changed in response to Jason's death

A Lonely Place of Dying, for the introduction of Tim Drake and the beginning of healing

Batman: Prodigy (an epilogue comic to Batman: Knightfall, which is also worth reading but less related to Bruce and Dick), for Bruce and Dick's more-or-less full reconciliation (don't worry, many many many issues remain)

And then for longer runs of comics that deal heavily with their relationship throughout:

New Teen Titans Vol 1 / Tales of the Teen Titans Vol 1 / New Teen Titans Vol 2/ New Titans Vol 1 (these are all renamings/renumberings of one ongoing storyline written by Marv Wolfman and George Perez)

Gotham Knights Vol 1, especially the first ~30 issues

And obviously Nightwing Vol 2

I can't give you much in the way of post-Flashpoint recommendations, because I just can't with New 52 and Rebirth/Infinite Frontier has frustratingly little internal consistency about what things are actually in continuity.

[scover-va]

could you perhaps do the ask thing for Lazarus? I love him so much and I NEED more opinions on thay man, love your content <3 -💫

This ask may be from January but we're answering it now! Becaaauuuuse fuck it!

favorite thing about them It might just be because i enjoy the trope in general but i really enjoy the codependent slash doomed by the narrative dynamic he has with Chandrelle. Not even from a romantic standpoint I just really enjoy what they got goin on

least favorite thing about them Drawing his armour next question

favorite line It's been so long since ive played the game so i cant remember specifics but either the convo w/ Chandrelle right before the Irving confrontation, or his snarky remark (smth along the lines of preferring he just stayed under the rock) if you go the long way to the dragon in SoL

brOTP Him, Jay, and Junior :-) I never really went into the group dynamic but i like to imagine they were kinda like a pseudo family for one another. Lazarus misses them a lot

OTP I dont have a singular Lazarus ship that i put above all else but i do ship him with Chandrelle, Bryce, and Rust

nOTP Irving for. Obvious reasons. Im saying him specifically just because i put those two in that 'i dont see the difference love is love' meme when im known for shipping Ducks & Lions (carla and lionel) and chansado so i figured I should clarify. My original idea for that square of the meme btw was Irving/Bryce since i do half ship them (shouldnt happen in canon but could work in aus type deal) but i thought drawing Irving's literal death was funnier

random headcanon Hes a french depressed bisexual like damn bitch pick a struggle!! Also in SoL he has a longass ponytail, in VG2 he gets a buzzcut, and then by the time the inn stuff happens he has this awkward lil mullet thing goin on

unpopular opinion Lazarus and Chandrelle wouldnt be able to healthily date by the time The Hex ends im sorry. Not even shortly after. Maybe in the future after working out their issues but if they started dating before working through all That i dont see it ending well given the codependency and the guilt and the sacrifice and the trauma and just. Yeah. Like i think eventually it could work out, they clearly both want to at least try and fix things to some degree (Chandrelle tries to apologize, Lazarus later tells her that being her swordsman wasnt all that bad when the last thing he said to her before being separated for however long was "Chandrelle, I regret this" or smth like that. Like theres potential but its gotta have effort put in first)

song i associate with them The Moon Will Sing (The Crane Wives) obviously but also Blood On My Name (The Brothers Bright) but like. From Chandrelle's pov about him. Because one it literally has his name in it and two it also really fits. I think Battlefield (SVRCINA) also works p well

favorite picture of them I dont have a favourite picture of him (mainly because the hex is a lil limited with photo content) but the way hes passed out after the Gameworks fuckin blows up is hilarious. Mainly bc of that one meme im way too lazy to go find

[house-on-sand]

LEVI LEVI LEVI LEVI

THIS SONG FROM TTPD GIVES ME SO MUCH JASON VIBES

sorry for the lack of quality screenshot but:

FUCK!

i can see it i can (not just bc im obsessed with him either)

this will be another long post i fear 😔

(idc if anyone disagrees w me on this, i know the truth /j)

if you wanted me dead, you should've just said / nothing makes me feel more alive

starting here instead of at the first verse because i can see it really clearly okay. it ties into utrh and the memorial case okay hear me out. bc in utrh jason gives bruce a choice, him or me. jason kills the joker or bruce kills jason. and bruce chooses wrong (he might not kill jason but he doesn't save him either. not how jason wanted him to). in preventing jason from killing the joker and ultimately choosing to save the joker instead of him, even going so far as to throw a batarang at him, in my bones i know for jason that was as good as bruce rejecting him and idk not entirely saying he wishes jason was dead outright but that. might be how jason sees it i guess. he doesn't take it well obviously.

then in my head it ties into the memorial case if / when jason sees it. especially if he's on the outs with bruce and it feels like everyone is expecting him to he who he used to be and then he's reminded with the fact that they're all still grieving a dead boy, forgetting that jason is here and alive. so it's that moment of you prefer the son you lost over me, you wish i was still the boy who died and i can't be that, just tell me outright that you'd rather me be dead still so you can mourn him instead of deal with me.

the who's who of "who's that?" is poised for the attack / but my bare hands paved their paths / you don't get to tell me about "sad"

YOU DON'T GET TO TELL ME ABOUT SAD! FUCK! this is again a little meta i guess but it's reminding me of all the fics and stuff where like. everyone else is allowed to be more upset about jason's death than he is. like when people have to tell jason about how bruce grieved him n stuff and idk make jason's death about everyone BUT him. he deserves to blow up sometimes! and fucking yell! bc HE was the one who died! HIS life was the one that was destroyed! yes his loss was devastating for the people who knew him but now that he's back let HIM be upset about it and don't try and make your grief his problem. don't act like his death hurt you the most! bc it didn't!! he fucking died! he was dead and buried and decomposing and then he was alive and buried and broken and so fucking alone!

so as u can see fics that turn grieving jason into sort of trauma olympics type shit AND a justification for bruce and jason making up really quickly irritate me bc that wouldn't and shouldn't happen! sorry maybe that's just me and maybe im not explaining this well but DAMN

(oh and the first part is very much when the bats still didn't know who red hood was an jason was establishing himself as a crime lord)

you caged me and then you called me crazy / i am what i am 'cause you trained me

FUCK! don't have too much elaboration for this one other than it's so TRUE! jason is what he is bc he met bruce and bruce made him robin. if he'd never met bruce wayne he wouldn't have become red hood ever. he wouldn't be the same person.

& the first part makes me think of the interaction in utrh where jason says something about how it wasn't the lazarus pit that made him this way maybe he was always like this or something.

also on a funnier not the called me crazy part reminds me of aklshsb dc vs vampires where damian calls jason the crazy one lmao. damian is so funny man

"who's afraid of little old me?" / i was tame, i was gentle, 'til the circus life made me mean / "don't you worry, folks, we took out all her teeth"

literally this one gives me an edit idea that i hope i can execute

the first part is just jason as red hood. doesn't matter too much what he's doing but this fits! to me.

second part is jaybin! stuff where he was just a. fucking kid who liked school and was sweet as hell and not some fucking monster like people act like he was? + him fighting as robin. maybe some of the times where he was harsher with the bad guys. + death & the lazarus pit. i feel like it's important here.

last part is jason during that shit in gotham war where bruce fucked with his head so he quite literally couldn't be a vigilante / antihero whatever anymore.

its all about the evolution of the character! how being robin changed him forever and all the ways he's changed yknow?

is it a wonder that i broke? / let's hear one more joke / then we could all laugh until i cry

don't got a whole lot to say other than this should be like over a scene or abt a scene where jay gets to beat the shit out of joker <3 that's what it is to me.

the scandal was contained / the bullet had just grazed / at all costs, keep your good name / you don't get to tell me you feel bad

rhato #25 (+ the annual n issues after) what can i say.

and im too tired to explain the vision lmao but one day

[ectonurites]

for the character headcannons ask game, jason and cass?

ALRIGHT ALRIGHT im putting this one under a cut because it got SUPER long bc i cant shut up ever

lets start w jason

A (realistic headcanon): 

ok using the ‘realistic’ category here loosely but GOD i love the idea of Damian & Jason having interacted while Jason was staying with the League before getting dunked in the Lazarus Pit. like. this obviously would need to be set more in preboot and following the Lost Days & Batman Annual 25 version of Jason’s resurrection, but god the idea of it just makes me scream in a good way. Like... these are things Jason likely doesn’t remember very clearly once he’s brought back to life more fully by the pit because he was uh pretty catatonic, but Damian being a little kid and knowing about the boy that his mother keeps around the base, that she’s trying to help bring back to health. Damian not even knowing that’s his big brother, just that he’s a presence that shares his mother’s attention. Jason again being unresponsive but like, ok god you know that part of lost days where Talia shows the others observing him that he only fights back at those he perceives as genuine threats trying to hurt him, 

Because Jason can perceive that she’s safe, she’s not actually trying to hurt him, he trusts her because she saved him? thinking about lil child Damian who is ya know already being trained in fighting stuff and like the idea of him trying to provoke Jason just to see what happens but Jason not fighting back because on some level be it his connection to Talia or even little baby Damian visually reminding him of Bruce, he knows that Damian is safe too 🥺 

and then when Jason and Damian meet again in Gotham as Red Hood & Robin respectively, Jason not really remembering because there was so much going on back then for him, but Damian realizing that oh... that was Him

B (hilarious): 

alright so if we are looking at comics currently, in modern stuff jason is what, like 22? hes old enough to drink in the US but still definitely early 20s so around my around my age, thats what im using as a basis here. if we adjust timeline and still consider his death having happened when he was 15, that puts it around 2013. and then coming back to like interacting with people about three years later if we still kinda base things off of the preboot timeframe (since we never got a super solid retelling of the timeline of death -> resurrection -> training -> tries to get revenge aside from knowing he went to the all-caste instead of the lost days version of the story) making him reenter the regular world and stuff around age 18 in 2016. meaning a solid three years of pop culture that he was entirely missing, and like im sorry but he really doesn’t strike me as the type to bother looking into what he missed, he’s kinda busy focusing on other stuff. lets take a quick look at some major things from those years. 2013 gave us ‘what does the fox say’ and ‘the harlem shake’ . 2014 had that time U2 just put a fuckin album on everyone’s phones, The Fault In Our Stars movie came out. 2015 introduced the phrase ‘Netflix and Chill’ and the whole blue & black vs gold & white dress debate happened. imagine any of the other batkids (or even arguably roy during rhato stuff) bringing these things up and jason’s ensuing confusion. thank you for your time

C (heart-crushing): 

so. there are two specific instances from rebirth era Jason i want to bring up here and much like a lot of these it’s less a headcanon and more of an inference based on observations, but i wanna take a sec to discuss Jason’s relationship with other people’s death. early in rebirth, Tim ‘dies’ from that whole thing in detective comics. he didn’t actually die, we as readers know, but in-universe they all very much so thought he was dead. frustratingly a lot of the batfam wasn’t really shown mourning him aside from in the Detective Comics Rebirth title itself (which just. when a major character dies even if its temporary- that should have a ripple effect) BUT an exception to that is in RHATO 2016, where we get this offhanded comment in Jason’s internal monologuing

similarly later when Roy, who like, had an incredibly close relationship w Jason that had just gotten mended before Heroes in Crisis, gets fuckin murdered in that whole thing... Jason doesn’t go to his funeral either. He leaves a dramatic voice mail and then visits the grave on his own later, choosing to instead keep working on the mission they’d started rather than going and taking the time to mourn properly.

Jason’s relationship with death is incredibly complicated, obviously. He has died, he has come back, and he now is willing to cross the line most other bats won’t and will kill people when he deems it necessary. I think thats something important though- he doesn’t just like... go around killing for fun (usually, some writers preboot made him a little murder happy but even then usually this still was vaguely followed) he kills people he thinks deserved it. Like, even looking back at the mess of Morrison’s Jason during Batman & Robin 2009, Jason was still trying to bring a sense of justice with who he was killing (”punishment that fits the crime”), it wasn’t killing for the sake of killing. He sees things in this kind of almost black and white ‘people who deserve it’ and ‘people who don’t’ way, and he has no problem dealing with death when it’s with the people he thinks deserve it. 

but when someone who doesn’t in his mind ‘deserve it’ gets killed? i think he just goes into total avoidance mode. throws himself into other things he’s doing, tries not to dwell on it too much no matter how much he still thinks about it (this is especially evident in him consistently telling people “i’m fine!” after what happened to Roy, despite bringing Roy up literally like every few issues for a WHILE after he died and very clearly still struggling with it, Artemis is the only one who gets through to him on it a little bit) 

but yeah, I just think that from Jason’s relatively unique situation of having been murdered, he knows what it’s like and he is perfectly fine wishing that on people he thinks are bad and deserve it, but it crushes him to imagine the people he loves and cares about having to experience something as painful as what he went through. not to mention the whole “I came back, why do I get a second chance at all this when they, who are a much better person than I am, probably won’t” mindset we get some implications of him having 

D (canon is a coward and won’t) 

hello DC i am once again insisting a batfam member is bisexual

CASS TIME

A (realistic headcanon): 

ok so we know cass likes ballet. thats canon. however i think we also should in general explore cass experiencing other types of dance/performance as well, be it herself as a performer or even just watching. like... god imagine her & like my brain just automatically for group activities puts her with tim steph and duke but also for this in particular I feel would be a Jason embraced activity, but like them going to see a broadway show or some other professional theatre or something, and her just being enthralled by the reading of body language of the performers! like again by any point in current stuff cass does have like, the ability to speak fine (reading still hard tho) but even so I think like. okay im a theatre kid if that’s not obvious from the Everything About Me but one thing I always do after seeing a show is ya know spend dinner afterwards discussing it with whoever i saw it with.

I just think that like, bringing those people i just mentioned to the table to discuss seeing a show after would be so FASCINATING because cass would bring this whole perspective of critiquing their acting on a whole different level- not based on how well they delivered lines out loud, but by what their body language was saying as they moved on stage. like im very amused by the idea of cass getting a totally different picture in her mind about what a character’s motivations were because she was paying way more attention to what their physicality was saying vs the words that were written and how they were delivered. i think the debates her and the others would have would be EPIC there. jason defending the text as it was written adamantly and cass being like ‘ok yeah sure but thats not what they did’

B (hilarious): 

cass having no concept of money because why would she bother? is SO funny to me. like it’s not that she couldn’t be reasonable if she wanted to, but like, she knows that the Waynes are well off so it’s not something she actually needs to be concerned about, so she just goes hog wild. takes steph out to fancy dinners and makes steph order for them since cass ya know doesn’t really read the menus, and steph’s like ‘jesus christ this costs-” “don’t worry about it” “but cass-” and she just holds up one of bruce’s credit cards and steph’s still like “but you don’t even know the range-” “it is fine”

bruce does not have the heart to tell her to stop

C (heart-crushing): 

i mean this is pretty much canon but especially now after death metal where she’s remembering, not just being told by a guy using weird alternate timeline technology, that she used to be an adopted member of the Wayne family... like that hurts so bad. To look at these people who have ya know been kind to her, Bruce has still been a father-like figure to her (i mean literally from the moment they met in New 52 canon during the flashback in Batman & Robin Eternal, where he’s telling her that she’s not a monster just because of what people forced her to do.... that she’s a hero... that hug.... dad behavior), and they do to some extent treat her as family... But to then really know, to feel and remember that she was actually adopted! She was a part of their family. To look at how she’s been calling herself Orphan while working with them this whole time... that’s so heartbreaking! I have cried about this idea so much! I want so badly a conversation between her and Bruce now where he offers to officially adopt her again, I need it so bad and if it doesn’t happen at some point in the next year or two I will be so distraught.

D (canon is a coward and won’t) 

i want an in-depth exploration of cass’ relationship to her own gender. being raised without language and you know with so much of her life being independent (remember: CASS RAN AWAY AROUND THE WORLD WITHOUT REALLY KNOWING ANY SPOKEN LANGUAGE) and outside of an organized society impressing too much of gender expectations on her, i feel like the way she experiences it would be very unique! like sure she’s so far been fine with being assigned ‘girl’ (ya know that comes with batgirl, and how people just automatically treated her based on how she looks) but in terms of gender expression and like her actual relationship with ‘traditional femininity’ etc like... because of how she was raised I just think she’d have a really different perspective on it that could be cool to explore, and I think she’d fall outside of the binary after she really thinks about how she identifies.

tldr on that: she/they nb cass is what i’m getting at here

[jebentnietalleen]

okay so i wanted to take my time and go over the episodes so that i could actually give a proper answer. just know that i started to watch because of destiel, i am that basic bitch, so most of the episodes on this list are destiel heavy. i am pretty sure that this will change over time, but right now my top 5 eps (in chronological order) are: 

6x20 the man who would be king (please give misha an oscar. damn that episode is just… it’s a lot. i love it so much. i could easily watch it as a stand alone ep whenever i feel like witnessing the greatness that is the secretly good supernatural that only exists in our heads)

8x17 goodbye stranger (they were all dean!! he couldn’t hurt dean!! ‘i need you’ when i tell you i wanna yell.) 

13x01 lost and found (widower arc!!!! this is maybe my favorite late-season spn story arch. yeah. no i am sure actually, it’s one of my favorite things spn ever did, period. dean’s grief made me bawl my eyes out)

13x05 advanced thanatology (again, because of the last 5 minutes. the way dean’s face is lit in the car when he realises it was cas that is on the phone. the song that plays in the background, culminating in ‘it’s never too late to start all over again’ just as he sees cas. the way the camera ONLY pans between dean and cas. the fucking illuminated cross that is a parallel to romeo + julliet. when i say this story arch is one of the best things spn has ever done, this is why) 

15x09 the trap (i just love everything about this episode. it is such a well done episode from start to finish. i love the symbolism of them reconciling in purgatory, the place where their relationship really started to change. a place that has been described as ‘pure’. i absolutely loved dean’s prayer to cas and i CRIED so hard fucking hell. give jensen his oscar!!! and also just… ‘you don’t have to say anything. i heard your prayer’ the implications of this are too much for me to handle. love love love it.

the rest of the episodes that i loved the most, because they made me Feel Things and/or were just that epic, are under the cut.  

4x01 lazarus rising (what an introduction to both a new story arch and a new and important character)

4x16 on the head of a pin (please give jensen an oscar - not the last time i’ll say this during this list)

4x22 lucifer rising (the whole sequence in the angel waiting room was so well done, and the moment cas choses to help dean out? chefs kiss) 

5x04 the end (just all around epic, lbr)

5x18 point of no return (‘i rebelled for this?!’ ooffff go off, cas)

7x17 the born-again identity (listen i just… missed cas a lot during s7, so of course the episode he returns is one of my faves. also amnesia!cas was a pretty interesting concept, especially when you look at how dean dealt with it)

8x7 a little slice of kevin (purgatory, man…. purgatory. SIGH)

9x06 heaven can’t wait (oh boy. human cas… i do have a weakness for you. i felt so sad for him when he thought he had a date and turned into the babysitter. plus, dean looking at him from the parking lot??? hello???)

11x04 baby (i will be very honest here and say that when i heard there was an episode from the car’s pov, i thought it was gonna be a comedic episode with a voice over or something, and didn’t have any expectations at all. but i really really fucking loved this episode? it was so well done. i was kind of in awe tbh)

12x19 the future (the mixtape!!! AARHHHFGGGHH!!!!)

12x23 all along the watchtower (just for the last 5 minutes. dean’s reaction to cas’ death…. god i wanna cry just thinking about it istg im not even exaggerating) 

14x08 byzantium (the beginning of the ep where dean, cas and sam are celebrating jack’s life while they get drunk and laugh with each other, something we rarely get to see, really stuck with me. plus, of course, cas’ deal with the empty, and jack being reunited with kelly in heaven)

honorable mentions to these episodes that mostly just made me laugh and feel good:

7x01 meet the new boss (castiel as god is literally the best and funniest thing ever)

8x08 hunteri heroici (cas trying to become a hunter is somehow both funny and endearing, and honestly looking back on it i love it even more because this was the start of him becoming involved in hunting because he wanted to help the winchesters and i just!!! wanna scream!)

13x06 tombstone (the cowboys! dean is happy! cas wants to please dean! cas knows dean is an angry sleeper, like a bear! i’m your huckleberry!) 

i am SO sorry this is so long holy shit sjfhdsjh but you did ask!