#im really trying to reach the target audience here lol

[teplavecernice]

cover 📸 girl 💃💃 put ‼️ the bass 🎙🔊 in your 🫵 walk 💅💅

[astronautbeans]

Ok so I have this plotted in my head (thebyter here btw sorry I dont wanna use my main Helpp) With how lkke. The ceremony is planned out but I KEPT THINKING HOW THE OTHER INVIS PLAYERS REACT TO SEEING THAT ONE GUY WHO THEYRE ALL TOLD TO KILL ON SIGHT. BEING THE ONE WHOSE THE CEREMONY FOR. In my head this is Ash doing such a massive show of power "The guy who is trying to take me down is now wrapped around my finger" And spoke has no option like ash said. He lost his knights (mapicc and leo) He has nothing to go back to and it feels so nice to be praised and such And Just OHJY GODODDD IM SIRRY I M STILL GUSHING OVER THE ENTIRE FIC ITS MAKINGME GO INSNEEEE!!!

The fact that the only people who can pseak during the ceremony would be ash an d spoke but Spoke wouldnt mutter a word , maybe out of habit now. the Mafia changed him ,he probably denies it but he knows its true and Fuck FUKC MY LIFEEEE Aaah aaaAaaaahAAAAH Theres also this wntire thing tht I have inmy brainwhich in parrot's newest uu video he taunts parrot with a diamond player by his side (spoiler warning) !!! after dean's death and whn the diamond player brings himto ash what If In the fic Its Spoke who is by ashs side. He brings himto whereever he goes Its almost like showing off. a trophy Ok Im gonna Shut the fcuk up and Go cry in a little hole and never speak to anyone ever again Im not ok Shaking and crying and screaming

Would it be kinda crazy if ash had a chess board set up next to his desire board and after the ceremony the black queen changes to white Like H.HhhHh Aah AaaAaaAaaaah inthe chess analogy would jamato be the king piece? but slightly off the board. Not knocked over but behind the spaces. Planet would be a bishop and both the knights and 1 bishop are off the board , knocked down. I might genuinely pull up some chess set up to draw this and Spoke whil ewalking to like the main hall or dining hall for the ceremony sees the chess board and after all of that he notices the change in the queen and just stares at it

ok sorry My brain kicked into overdrive instead of asking I just ramblwd I mgith do more cuz Iv e been thinkignaboutthis fic for like almost 24 hours LOL! I NEEDHEPP

dghfsgkfdshghjfds hey man :D

yeah gosh i honestly haven't really thought of how the ceremony would go but Spoke absolutely would be terrified out of his mind, with minimal armour and the faceless, diamond-rank players staring at him like he's their next kill. the only reason he'd feel safe is because Ash would have to give the word to kill him. he'd be forced to trust Ash isn't that just evil of me <3

ALSO YEAH GOSH THE MAFIA CHANGED HIM. he'd rather keep his mouth shut because it feels more natural now gfdjhksdf

oh my dayssssssssss if Spoke was the diamond player there, torn between his loyalty to Ash and jumping down to comfort Parrot who's so stricken with grief,,, BUT YEAH HE'S PRETTY MUCH ASH'S THROPHY OF COURSE ASH IS GONNA SHOW HIM AROUND BECAUSE DANGIT HE MANAGED TO SWAY SPOKE WHO HATED HIM THE MOST ough yeah i'm normal

that chess analogy is great btw gfdskhsjdf he's switching sides and he's no longer got a say in it teehee bishop Planet oh my days AND IF YOU DO MAKE ART SEND IT TO ME GDFHSKDS

don't be sorry man i'm glad you enjoyed it this much!!! target audience reached >:3

[koipepo]

I found your blog recently and your art is STUNNING

I only found this community (whump and alike) a year ago. I always felt weird and it felt scary exploring that part of myself (I have Harm OCD). Now I know other people are like me I feel a lot safer.

I was wondering if you went through something like that too and how you found your community?

Thanks a lot anon! I'm glad that you managed to find a welcoming community, it must be really freeing to have people you can trust and know that you won't be judged for your fantasy (⁠*⁠˘⁠︶⁠˘⁠*⁠)

I never really in denial about liking whump/noncon (i guess im never in conflict about fiction morality like antis do) but i found my niche thanks to thramsay (ramsay x theon from game of thrones)! They're the beacon of noncon dynamic imo and maybe that's the reason why i met many wonderful and exceptionally kind people when i was still active in the fandom. We didn't try to shoot each other or police what others create in fear of being "problematic", all that energy and time were all spent on creative discussion and engaging conversation ☺️♥️ it was so productive!

Thramsay fandom being all open from the get-go about the toxic content and dynamic in the characters naturally weeds out antis/judgemental people. There's no pretense or cover anyone can dig up because the craziness is all laid bare lol... You literally can't complain when the noncon and master/slave dynamic are just TEXT!

in other fandoms even the ones i was into after thramsay, i still feel unsafe, like im just one step away from being a target of angry antis if my post/art reached the wrong audience. I got handful of death threats here when i was into spiderverse but fortunately my blocking muting skill handled the situation.

But yeah, it all boils down to thramsay. I owed my art's development to them too. Amazing ship, with dynamic and characters that's never going to be matched in any other fandom, if im going to be honest ❌🦑♥️♥️♥️

[solarwynd]

just felt like sharing some of my thoughts on recent topics:

- i think nj’s album is objectively decent. if anything my biggest critique is that, similar to indigo, he insists on singing and anyone else that jumps on the record eats him up. i really did like the production and after tuning him out a little i really enjoyed the vibe. i actually think its a lot more refined and grounded than indigo despite being a mess thematically/lyrically but i actually think that thats what he was going for lol, a sort of “emotional clusterfuck”.

as for army’s reception, i think he’s def trying to build his own audience and he’s aware that takes time. he went in a totally different direction than his previous release yet its still very him. armys might not be the target audience but its better for him to build a small but loyal base that will continue to tune in for his solo stuff rather than just expecting armys to like everything every member puts out.

its rich for other kpop stans to drag him when despite doing what he’s done he’s still more successful than most korean artists, so its funny for me to see people think they can drag him for not getting streams in korea which if im not mistaken have the lowest residuals for streams and are the flakiest audience (but maybe thats just me being petty lol)

- nwjns new song not doing that hot on global spotify doesn’t surprise me. they are an aesthetic-leaning group, yes their songs are cute but its because of the aesthetic theyre accompanied with that they feel so grand and trendy every time. the aesthetic for how sweet is minimal and kinda getting old so people dont seem to be buying into that so far (outside of sk) but im sure that as soon as there’s a cute tiktok trend to go with it they’ll end up biting. the song is cute, but i have to admit this trend of “flat”singing is tiring me. open up those vocal chords and SING dammit.

- random, but i wonder if supernova by aespa doing that well is some sort of reaction to the whole mhj-bpd drama. imo drama was a million times better and didn’t do as well as it shouldve

- idk if im over my fixation, but nothing thats come out of the kpop industry this year has been genuinely interesting or exciting. i mostly just tune into female artists and a handful of soloists. there’s been some cute concepts here and there but the music is just meh.

“i really did like the production and after tuning him out a little i really enjoyed the vibe.”

Im sorry this is taking me out. Tuning out the very person whose album you’re listening to is crazy 😭 but I kinda get it lmao.

After watching that minimoni special this morning and how he described rpwp basically as a rant, an “emotional clusterfuck” is aptly named tbh. It’s gonna be really hard for him to get a solid solo fanbase because he doesn’t have personal reach or appeal beyond the armys that already know him and his music and the music he’s been dropping isn’t really attention grabbing either. Like I’m sure there’s people who are out there that know he’s a good rapper and can respect him for that, but it’s still not enough to make them stan him and that’s where the problem will lie for him.

Njws (or mhj) are following a theme that doesn’t allow themselves or their music to evolve, because beyond the different outfits and hairstyles everything is starting to feel repetitive. Real one trick pony-ish cause it seems like this is all mhj knows how to do. Like you already know what to expect from them and I find artists who just stick to one sound kinda boring (though I have my exceptions). I see what you’re saying about the “flat” singing lol but imo not everyone has to like sing sing if you get me? I’m not just talking about belting but just typical singing. Even though it would be a nice switch up from them I feel like they’ve just made that they’re brand.

I actually just listened to supernova after I drafted this and ended up really liking it. It’s a cool song. I listened to drama too, not bad either. It’s a possibility that the whole mhj/bang debacle might’ve had a positive impact for aespa, but sometimes the k gp just likes what they like and blows it up. I know they loved queen card by g-idle but I still do not like that song at all.

I’m a casual listener of a handful a groups and I’ll check out their releases when they drop. Any other song I listen to apart from them is just because I wanted to see what the fuss was about but all in all everything is just so typical. I’ve had releases I’ve enjoyed but everything still has that standard kpop sound to it so I agree nothing has really been exciting.

[lousydrawingsforgoodpeople]

hello! first of all, i am a new casual fan of yours who simply adores your art and have subconsciously learnt to be kinder to myself through it, even without realizing i needed to hear you mean to say. im very curious however of the blog's history. why did you start it? what kept you going in the beginnings when you may have felt like your message wasnt being reached out? how or why did you reach out to the ED community specifically? and lastly, do your little blobs have names? thank you dearly for what you're doing here. thank you for existing today, to make our days a little brighter with each of your posts.

Oh wow, thank you so much for all of your kind words and questions! I’ll try my best, here it goes:

- Didn’t really start the blog intentionally to be a blog. I’ve always doodled, and it was suggested by my therapist to be integrated into part of the ‘distress tolerance’ and self-soothing aspects of cognitive behavioral therapy. It was natural to continue to doodle as I delved further into recovery from self-harm and my eating disorder. Someone remarked that I should share them somehow, and Tumblr was the only platform I ever really felt comfortable being on at all, so here we are.

- I always doodled just for myself, so the question of an ‘audience’ never really came into my mind. A while into posting I started getting these rad asks from people who identified, and the idea that my struggles could help - or even help prevent! - someone suffering blew my mind. So I vowed to keep going and posting every day, even if I had to queue things up to make sure new content was delivered. My goal is always to make all of us feel less alone, which might sound cliché or self-aggrandizing, but it’s my truth. I wish none of us had to suffer.

- I never really targeted a community, I just post what I deal with. Fortunately I’m not that unique. 🙃

- The potato blob person is me, and my name is Ainsley, but you can call them whatever you’d like. The skull used to just say “LOL” when I started these, so they used to be called “lol skull.” Again, you can call them whatever your heart desires.

You are so welcome! And I think this is the most I’ve ever talked about myself on here (or in my whole life) so I’m sorry!🖤

[hitchfender]

Im sorry but i really dont understand why are you guys so obsessed with proving to louis' lgbt fans that hes homophobic and hates them just bc he not pick up the flags thrown at him. There r loads of celebs who support lgbt people but dont wave pride flags. Taylor swift hasnt ever waved any pride flag thrown at her(n i assure u ppl do throw em)but she still shows enormous support to lgbt ppl. yall arent proving anything at all just hurting lgbt ppl for stanning someone you dont like n its shitty

Yeah n during hs1 harrys target audience was straight white old dudes too yet none of his current fanbase abandoned him lol. Louis hasnt ever shown that he hates his female fanbase or wants more old White men as his fans n is still proud of his 1d days which isnt the best selling point to old straight white men. Louis interacts more warmly n is more lovely to his female fanbase than harry ever has been to his fans for the past 5 years lol. Louis liking oasis doesn't mean he wants oasis fans

i’m going to begin this (lengthy, sorry) response by addressing some things you’ve said that i disagree with.

i (sarah) believe that louis is homophobic and hates his lgbt fans

dude i don’t know shit about louis tomlinson. in the post you’re responding to, i didn’t mention or even imply that he hates his fans - just that i find it odd that so many young queer women rally around his music, when artists like kasabian and the pigeon detectives are reaching such a different demographic. i have no evidence that he’s a homophobe, and wouldn’t throw that claim around lightly. nothing personal there.

louis, like taylor swift, does not wave pride flags, but still supports his lgbt fans in a manner comparable to the way taylor does

you’re wrong about that, and i’m a swiftie so i have proof! in 2019 alone taylor donated $113,000 to a project advocating for the rights of lgbt people in her home state of tennessee, she performed at stonewall, and she released a whole single about how being homophobic is silly and bad. even five years ago her lyrics marked explicit acceptance of her queer fans (“boys and boys and girls and girls”). whether you feel that those forms of support are meaningful or merely performative, they’re undeniable and quite bold.

you know more about louis’ allyship than i do, because i’m not a fan of his, but i just googled “louis tomlinson lgbt support” and this headline - from 2014 - was the top result:

frankly that is embarrassing. feel free to explain.

“during hs1 harry’s target audience was straight white old dudes” / “louis interacts more warmly n is more lovely to his female fanbase than harry ever has been to his fans for the past 5 years”

i mean, most of that’s provably false.

again, because i don’t follow louis, i can’t compare him with harry, and i welcome any evidence you have to offer. gotta say this google search doesn’t bode well

here’s what you’re right about: louis still talking about and being proud of his days in one direction isn’t going to endear him to many straight male fans, and his liking oasis doesn't mean he wants his fans to love them too. fair enough. my tag post, as i’ve said, was just pointing out the disparity between his fanbase and that of artists who are making similar music, and wondering aloud how he feels about it. as a fan, you’d have more insight there than i would, but i don’t think we disagree.

anon, i’m not trying to start a fight or publicly humiliate you, and if you’d like to come back into my inbox to discuss this further i’d be happy to talk. forgive me for the assumption, but i’m guessing you’re not straight - and in that case you and i are on the same side! we’re just two gay music fans trying to find artists we can see ourselves in! representation is important, and when you find a musician you love it’s natural to believe they care about you personally, but it’s just not always the case. as fans we have to decide for ourselves if we’re willing to overlook an artist’s potential shortcomings in favour of their art, or if it’s more worthwhile to seek out musicians who can provide that sort of distanced - but rewarding - emotional support. i know which one i’ve chosen.

[comicteaparty]

July 4th-July 10th, 2020 Creator Babble Archive

The archive for the Creator Babble chat that occurred from July 4th, 2020 to July 10th, 2020.  The chat focused on the following question:

What was an unexpected aspect of making webcomics you didn’t realize before making one yourself?

Krispy §[Ghost Junk Sickness]§

How much our comic and it's story we're going to change during the years of creation was the biggest and most jarring aspect for sure. There's scripts and thumbs that were all made before we ventured out to make GJS with paths completely different from what we initially thought we would take that have completely changed how we approach not only writing but reading webcomics too. Webcomics as a medium have the biggest connection to time, whether it be production or the consumption, they have this opportunity to exist and transform in the long hours it takes to enjoy and read them. It's honestly one of the biggest advantages imho. To see a story slowly unfold, listening to ur audience reactions, peer critiques, or new inspiration can make such a drastic and intense impact on a long form work- its both jaw dropping and humbling to be apart of!(edited)

Deo101 [Millennium]

For me it was the community aspect of comics. I knew a community existed on the reader side of things (comments!), but I didn't expect the creator side to be how it is! I don't know why, but for some reason I kind of always thought that all of us were sort of throwing our comics out from the void... I guess that was me looking at comics from a reader's point of view! But as soon as I started making comics, I started meeting people who made them too... and it's been incredible!

Eightfish (Puppeteer)

@deo I never really understood what an internet community or internet friends were until I started making a webcomic

Deo101 [Millennium]

Yeah, I had been in (and quickly decided to not be in 0_0) gaming communities, but nothing really as wonderful as what I've found through comics. Closest I had gotten other than that was comments on social media

Shizamura 🌟 O Sarilho

Community definitely one of the big things, much like Deo pointed. I was kinda expecting to have get connections through readers, but it's much more with other creators, which is super satisfying in it's own way. Also gonna second Krispy's comment about how time affects how you see your story's past and future. A lot of things changed in the past four years that made my comic change as well and having so much time to think each individual scene allows them to be much more complex and interesting than they would when I first thought them through. Having the time really helps. This also kinda touches the topic of personal change too, which affects how I write and what feels most important to focus on and that's interesting to think about as well

eliushi [Keyspace]

How long things will take, the longer the story goes on! I started out being able to complete a page in 2h but then I found more I wanted to try on each page (colours, layout, composition etc) and even wanted to extend certain scenes. With 500 pages planned, I definitely thought I’d be farther along by now, heading into AWT’s first year anniversary in a month. That being said, I’m also enjoying the ride and it’s all thanks to the great community here and making connections with other comics folks/readers. I never expected to get comments and so each one has been a treasure to read.

Desnik

An unexpected aspect of making webcomics is how much people respond to them. I figured I'd be creating into a void but I met so many people as a result of publishing my dinosaur comic

shadowhood {SunnyxRain}

Ditto on the webcomic community. I didn't realize how far reaching it was to have a community that supports each other. And I've enjoyed meeting so many wonderful and creative people who raised each other up. Another thing I didn't expect, however, was how invested I got into my comic.(edited)

At first I was doing it mostly for fun. But the more I delved into it, the easier it was to get sucked into my story and want to draw it out. And as a result taking it a lot more seriously.

Desnik

yeah sometimes I miss my dinosaur comic even though I had some pretty good reasons for moving on. It was created out of desperation and evolved into something that made me feel good about myself

Haruh2 (Colony Life)

How much work and time it takes to keep a weekly update going with no backlog

Deo101 [Millennium]

Yeah same

Cronaj ~{Whispers of the Past}~

For me, I didn't realize how much it would affect my life to make comics, and vice versa. In a weird way, I didn't know how interrelated the two were, or how easily life could interfere with my comic, or the inverse.

eliushi [Keyspace]

Making comics became a lifestyle for me

@Haruh2 (Colony Life) When I had no backlog I was updating every two weeks with 7 pages per update; so about 14h of work. But this is with a finished script. I am also told I work fast.

Eightfish (Puppeteer)

omg

Cronaj ~{Whispers of the Past}~

That's soooo much, Eli!

That's at least twice as much as I do (edited)

Eightfish (Puppeteer)

For me, I didn't realize how much it would affect my life to make comics, and vice versa. In a weird way, I didn't know how interrelated the two were, or how easily life could interfere with my comic, or the inverse.

I hadn't realized how much I put myself into my comic! My friends who read it have all said that it's incredibly in my voice and reflects my opinions and worldviews Before I shared it with people I hadn't thought of it in that way at all

Joichi [Hybrid Dolls]

As an artist, I didn't expect how my comic production and mindset will change. Once I started comics, it brought out my ideas from thoughts to a physical form. I start to invest more time into it. Each project evolved through each chapter. How to balance script writing to a polished piece. I put alot of time and research in my works. It makes me glad to hear other creators do the same. I'm not the crazy artist who's wasting her time. One of the positive change was meeting other creators, how we give advice and receive praise.(edited)

eliushi [Keyspace]

The support has been amazing. It makes the work less lonely

Cronaj ~{Whispers of the Past}~

Fish, oh for sure! I didn't realize until recently how much my characters are all just facets of myself!

eliushi [Keyspace]

(I don’t work that quickly anymore and I’m making big changes to the format soon so it’s going to be a Transition)

Joichi [Hybrid Dolls]

I've been in school with art students who never made comics, so when I came to CTP discord, reading comic discussions. It was comforting and fun. I enjoy the cooperation our group has, helping each other.

eliushi [Keyspace]

I like to commiserate about the unique challenges comics have

Cronaj ~{Whispers of the Past}~

Hahaha, yeahhhhh

Joichi [Hybrid Dolls]

I agree, it's different from illustrations. Different approach(edited)

eliushi [Keyspace]

I am perpetually balancing time spent on a panel vs how much time the reader will spend on it

Vs illustration: lemme make all the details

Joichi [Hybrid Dolls]

Oh I agree, each panel takes longer than it takes to read it. Hence I dislike when readers call manga creators 'lazy'

Eightfish (Puppeteer)

how much time does it take to read one of my pages?

20 seconds?(edited)

haha

e.e

wait is that emoji supposed to be someone rolling their eyes??

i jsut looked it up

i might've been using it wrong this whole time

Cronaj ~{Whispers of the Past}~

Pacing

It's way different than in novels, and definitely came as a shock at the start

eliushi [Keyspace]

Yeah have to play to the strength of the medium. Still imagining AWT as an animated movie written from a novel, in the format of a comic

Cronaj ~{Whispers of the Past}~

Haha, same kinda

Haruh2 (Colony Life)

@eliushi [Keyspace] ah haha, that makes me feel better about my update habits, but thats a good goal for me to shoot for now that im learning a new way to make long comics specifically

cAPSLOCK (Tailslide)

I completely underestimated the amount of effort that would have to go into formatting, website design and maintenance, etc. If I got to do it again, a little more research beforehand probably would’ve saved me a lot of time and hassle.

snuffysam (Super Galaxy Knights)

I really overestimated the "if you build it they will come" aspect of webcomics lol. Like, you actually have to work to advertise your comic in order for people to read it. Nobody ever got hundreds of readers just from posting their comic onto some hosting site without doing major marketing work.(edited)

dako

yeah, I feel that

I've never really been an advertising type before my comic, im learning to just get used to it

Deo101 [Millennium]

I've not really done much advertising tbh, it makes me uncomfortable

dako

it feels kinda...embarrassing? might be too harsh of a word

i dunno

Deo101 [Millennium]

its just uncomfortable idk! i feel awkward doing it

dako

yeah, same ive done it a few times on reddit but i have to force myself

Haruh2 (Colony Life)

it does feel, odd..hell most of the time it just feels like i open the door to my house and toss a bunch of paper to the wind hoping someone can see it

Deo101 [Millennium]

yeah, I dont know if ive done anything other than posting updates on twitter and talking about it in groups like this

and twitter is mostly just me talkin to people who already read it...

idk talking about my work without being asked first makes me feel like im inserting myself where im not allowed

keii’ii (Heart of Keol)

Self promo got MUCH less intimidating for me when I started thinking of it like: "okay, so my comic is made for readers like me, people who share my tastes. That means I only need to answer one question: what can I say to get me to check out this comic? I don't need to impress anyone else. I just need to appeal to me." (since "me" is my target audience)

Deo101 [Millennium]

mhm ^^

keii’ii (Heart of Keol)

But take it with a grain of salt because I'm still not really promoing

Haruh2 (Colony Life)

exactly, thats why i find it hard to tweet about it most of the time, but i get the whole if i dont care about to talk without being asked no one else will either

Deo101 [Millennium]

yeah lmao mood im like what would get me to read... hmmm... probably exactly what im doing.... I'll keep it up then :)

Haruh2 (Colony Life)

yea i get excited to draw out certain parts..but wouldnt want to just tweet about all the little tidbits of the story ruining it for others

Deo101 [Millennium]

sweats

dako

i made a whole side twitter for my comic cuz talking about it on my main intimidated me too much

it is my containment chamber

Haruh2 (Colony Life)

hm may do that, just to say i did it and to get my mind away from the thought

snuffysam (Super Galaxy Knights)

yeah same

Deo101 [Millennium]

My main is just whatever I want it to be idk. Its kinda for all my comics, since my comics are all I want to talk about

snuffysam (Super Galaxy Knights)

though my main is mostly just retweeting from my side twitter lol

Deo101 [Millennium]

it removes a lot of the pressure of like what if my followers dont wanna see this??

cause they wouldnt be here if they didnt wanna see it

cause its all Ive been doing the whole time

dako

thats a good point

i had my main way before my comic so most of my mutuals/followers dont follow for that

Haruh2 (Colony Life)

yea, it can feel abit disorienting when there is no interaction one way or another on anything you tweet (also if twitter has messed up and causes your tweets to not show up)

Deo101 [Millennium]

but yeah I dont really advertise cause it just makes me so uncomfortable >.<

dako

understandable

Cronaj ~{Whispers of the Past}~

I'm kind of somewhere in between. I advertise my comic mostly because it is all I wanna talk about, like Deo. But I also don't think it's gotten me many readers. Most of my readers came as far as I can tell because I was making something that appealed to them. (The whole "if you build it, they will come" thing.) Although, I really don't have a big audience, I do have an audience, and I am certain most of them came from me just posting.

I think it's determined a lot by luck, and also, how big your niche's audience is to begin with (and some skill tbh).

Deo101 [Millennium]

yeah like I think "gay sci fi" is a p big niche so ive got a big amount of people I could potentially reach

which makes it much easier to draw people in

Cronaj ~{Whispers of the Past}~

I'm particularly lucky, I guess, that fantasy/romance has a lot of readers (also more competition, but...)

Deo101 [Millennium]

yeah fantasy romance is a damn big one

Haruh2 (Colony Life)

eh i think im in an awkward void with my action/drama story (since im not doing romance drama)

Cronaj ~{Whispers of the Past}~

I just go with the mindset: "what makes my fantasy/romance different from the rest" and go from there.

Deo101 [Millennium]

mhm

tbh I dont think my sci fi romance is doing anything special?

but im having fun so :) I dont rlly care about that hahahha

dako

having fun the most important thing

Deo101 [Millennium]

its not my goal to make somthing mindblowing ^^ truley im just here for a good time

Cronaj ~{Whispers of the Past}~

I mean, LGBT+-inclusive sci-fi is pretty unique

I haven't seen a lot

keii’ii (Heart of Keol)

It's clear that your characters are people, and that's special, regardless of how common/uncommon

dako

think if i didnt love my comic as much as i do id have stopped a long time ago

Deo101 [Millennium]

thats true keiiii, thank you <3

also yeah its Sad that theres not more LGBT+ sci fi cause its like youve got aliennnssssssssssssssssssss you can do whatever you waaaaaant

Cronaj ~{Whispers of the Past}~

I knooowww

Deo101 [Millennium]

guess it shows what ppl want or something

Cronaj ~{Whispers of the Past}~

yup

Deo101 [Millennium]

off topic

so to make it back on topic

I underestimated how much people would like gay sci fi GJKLAGJLAJLKAGJSLAKGJKL

keii’ii (Heart of Keol)

One thing I learned specifically with my current comic... I did not realize how much difference the reader's cultural background would make in terms of interpreting my story.

Deo101 [Millennium]

!!!!!

I actually almost mentioned you in class once tbh keiii

keii’ii (Heart of Keol)

Big oversight, in retrospect

!?

Deo101 [Millennium]

saying "someone I know makes a comic which they noticed, it's interpreted completely differently just depending on cultural backgrounds" kind of a thing

keii’ii (Heart of Keol)

like I would not have made the comic any different, but I would have approached the... presentation differently. Like, talk about it differently

Deo101 [Millennium]

cause we were talking about how narratives affect rt

Cronaj ~{Whispers of the Past}~

I guess another thing that was unexpected about making webcomics was... there are way more people with my exact tastes than I thought

Deo101 [Millennium]

and I was saying that I think the viewer's narrative affects art more than the artists narrative

I mean, the artists narrative obviously is what makes it so.

keii’ii (Heart of Keol)

In the eyes of the beholder

Deo101 [Millennium]

but interpretations and all that... yeah!!!

so. actually I might have offhandedly mentioned you I cant remember if I did or not

lemme check

I did! very like "second hand" offhandedly mentioning though ahaha

hope that doesnt make you uncomfortable GSKLGSJALGJLGK no one replied to me so e.e

in the class I mean

keii’ii (Heart of Keol)

I am super uncomfortable and offended !!!!!

j/k

Deo101 [Millennium]

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but... yeah idk starting out I truly just was making it cause I really love my characters a lot, the idea that other people would like them too is very unexpected :) in a good way

I also definitely didnt expect how important enviornments were e.e

didnt plan those well enough.

Cronaj ~{Whispers of the Past}~

that relatable feel

sssfrs (JOE IS DEAD)

I really desperately advertise my comic everywhere. I don't really know how to do marketing effectively though & I don't know if its working

eliushi [Keyspace]

I find what increased readership most consistently is still the feature aspect from the hosting sites. It’s really about finding the right readers/right readers finding you

Eightfish (Puppeteer)

Same, I'm basically a rounding error away from being 100% reliant on the features for subs

sssfrs (JOE IS DEAD)

I don't think my comic has ever been featured on the hosting sites. My numbers have always been low on Tapas and maybe thast why

Cronaj ~{Whispers of the Past}~

Yeah, features help a lot

I've been featured on Webtoon, but not Tapas, and you can really see the difference in readership there

Deo101 [Millennium]

Ive been featured on both, uhh in a couple of diff places, if you wanted a breakdown of how many readers i got from the diff spots and stuff ever just lmk im happy to share

keii’ii (Heart of Keol)

I've been featured on both. It certainly got people to check it out and even sub, but retaining those people (even if they've subbed!!!) is a different story. I think my story is just not the right type for the platforms, but eh, even if 99% of the platform users aren't into the kinda thing I'm making, 1% increase is still an increase.

Which is another thing I learned over the course of running this comic, specifically (since the internet has changed so much after my first two attempts). Just because the majority of your subs don't actually read the comic, doesn't mean your work sucks. Today's internet caters to casual users, and there's a bajillion factors affecting who's actually reading your stuff.

dako

i agree

my comic has never been featured on either, and webtoons doesnt have a guideline on what they pick but tapas does and my comic doesnt really meet their featuring requirements so i dont think either site ever will feature mine haha

so i gotta advertise on reddit and use twitter tags a lot

keii’ii (Heart of Keol)

Don't go too crazy with twitter tags; they can make people zone out and not look at your tweet.

dako

i try to use 5 at the most, i know too many is unpleasant to look at haha

Jib {WIP haha}

Oh huh, my rule of thumb is to use 1-2 on twitter and as many as I can on Insta but I’m no expert lol

keii’ii (Heart of Keol)

Yeah, IG seems to be where you want all the tags XD

varethane

Webtoon's algorithms are like turning a hose on and off lol

The difference between views and sub growth during periods of being featured vs not is stark(edited)

carcarchu

i've never been featured by webtoons but i've seen series grow from 100 followers to 10k overnight

not an exaggeration

varethane

I put my new comic on webtoon in november 2019, and in 1 month I crawled up to.... maybe 50 subs?(granted I only put up one episode and then paused for a bit)

Then in December I started updating it weekly and got placed in the new and hot section of the app

And bam, 6k subs

It last 2 weeks and then the section updated and all growth stopped, and subs went down by 10 or so over the next week

Krispy §[Ghost Junk Sickness]§

(Omg featured is like the new Daily Deviation goals from DA way back in the day!)

varethane

Until it got another feature on a different part of the website and went up another 2k. It was like playing with the handle on a faucet lol

dako

I got some pretty good growth during canvas week, but beyond that not really

I get 1-2 subs after an update if I'm lucky

varethane

I feel like their algorithms are very reliant on the regular rotation of features that staff have to do manuallt

Outside of that, discoverability is quite weak

Mostly because of the volume of comics on there

boogeymadam

same boat as vare. the only thing i know about webtoons features is they have stated a couple times one of their recquirements is consistant updating, so if u skip a week that disqualifies u for a lil while i imagine

varethane

I wonder what they count as consistent. I was doing every 2 weeks for awhile, but this month I'm gonna try weekly to see if it helps me earn more $$ from ads :U

dako

I wish there was more incentive for readers to check out the new section on webtoons and tapas

carcarchu

i have found some amazing gems in the new section

i swear i've seen stuff in featured that were not at all updated consistently

dako

I have too, there's a ton of good comics that get overlooked because they're not in the front page

some featured comics havent updated in months sometimes

varethane

I definitely would not have considered myself consistent at the time of the first feature, considering there was a gap of a month between episode 1 and 2 lpl

carcarchu

the consistently updating thing is more of a recommendation than a requirement i feel?(edited)

boogeymadam

ooohh good to know!!

varethane

I'm sure it cant be a hard rule, especially for comics that have just launched

boogeymadam

im just going off their canvas qna's from last year

dako

if it's actually a hard rule for staff to feature comics that regularly update they break that rule a lot

i also heard a bot picks up comics too

carcarchu

well i at least think the staff or bots or whatever at webtoons are doing a better job with features than tapas is

tapas is always pushing their premium comics way more than their indie stuff

boogeymadam

tapas needs to bring new comics onto the frontpage more often than it does, yeah

dako

yeah I agree

keii’ii (Heart of Keol)

I mean, I get why they put premium on the front page. But I feel more variety would help them because it's more interesting for the readers?

dako

I can't tell whats premium or not with tapas sometimes

boogeymadam

i do like that they've been asking stuff like this in the forums tho

carcarchu

more distinction would be helpful to me too dako

i don't think its as clear as it could be

dako

yeah, webtoons at least it's clear what is and what isnt featured or canvas

Jib {WIP haha}

Huh, anyone remember that really popular writing podcast? I forgot the name

Or have any recommendations I guess

Moral_Gutpunch

Terrible writing advice? It's sarcastic

snuffysam (Super Galaxy Knights)

is this related to the topic?

Moral_Gutpunch

It's a podcast about writing, so I'm going to say yes.

keii’ii (Heart of Keol)

I think snuffysam meant the weekly topic for the channel

Moral_Gutpunch

Oh

Just for this channel, no. I'm too new to know that.

Cronaj ~{Whispers of the Past}~

Please check #rules

Moral_Gutpunch

Sound more like someone forgot context than the rules

That's why I'm hardly here. I don't know stuff people who've been here for a long time know like podcasts or older comics(edited)

keii’ii (Heart of Keol)

Basically each of the channels under "CTP Activities" on this server has its own topic of the week.

Cronaj ~{Whispers of the Past}~

It's not a matter of being here for a long time or not. This channel is used solely for discussing the weekly topics, and such information can be found in #rules

Moral_Gutpunch

Kudos then. I came for creator babble only.

keii’ii (Heart of Keol)

For general webcomic creation-related advice (either seeking or giving) and such, #shop_talk usually is the place!

creator_babble is for answering the topic of the week

It's not actually for generalized "creator babble" despite the name.

dako

looks like they left

Jib {WIP haha}

Oh my bad, it’s been a while since I read the rules, I brought up the new subject

keii’ii (Heart of Keol)

Happens!

Cronaj ~{Whispers of the Past}~

No problem, we were just reminding you all :)

Jib {WIP haha}

Ty for that then haha

dako

I think one unexpected thing for me is that no one tells you how crazy the highs and lows can be

well I guess people do but you really don't know until the highs and lows happen to you if that makes sense

Cronaj ~{Whispers of the Past}~

Oh God, that's so true

Burnout is way more dreadful than I could ever guess prior to experiencing it

Feather J. Fern

One unexpected thing for me was how many people I would meet because of my comic. It surprised me greatly that I found so many cool people through the comic community and made the friends I have made now. Love you all

rajmews

The unexpected thing for me was just how much you have to just...predict...what the market will want to read. Like even if you research a whole lot, and you draw really well, and have been doing art professionally, you can still strike out. It's a humbling experience, but being able to just let go of poorly received pages and move on and try things differently is a lot of the battle for doing a webcomic. It teaches you how to fail gracefully because...it's all a process of learning your readers better. Even if they're few at first.

LadyLazuli (Phantomarine)

My major unexpected thing was how much my initial ideas change as I work through a page. Everything from the expressions, dialogue, and layout can change as I look at it and 'solve' it more closely than I did in thumbnails. There are pages I look back on and realize they are ENTIRELY different than what I had first sketched. And they're better for it. Allowing myself the freedom to edit during the artwork... it's created some majorly awesome opportunities.

Deo101 [Millennium]

Yes!!!!! Me too!!!

It's exciting thoufh

Eightfish (Puppeteer)

Absolutely same

Could plan something out meticulously but then change it in the last 2 secs before uploading

Deo101 [Millennium]

Yup... I don't thumbnail much ahead of where I'm at cause of this(edited)

I thumbnail a scene at a time, and then usually I end up changing stuff halfway through ahahfjjdkskdkss

varethane

Same hat, haha. I often make changes at every stage-- even the thumbnails will often depart from the script. If anything, I wish I made even more changes-- I feel like my page layouts tend to be pretty standard, I do a lot of pages with the 3 rows of 2 panels each, and I want to break out of that more. But... well, that's a work in progress.

[axel-mania]

NOAH The Infinity (3/21/21)

(mohammed yone & shuehei taniguchi defeat akitoshi saito & masao inoue)

it was fitting that yone and saito had the most passion between them as the leaders of their factions. the burning hatred in saito was good, but yones performance was even better. the way he subverted his playfulness by teasing a dance and delivering a stiff hit instead, getting inoue in a chinlock that he turned so the whole audience could see his pained face on display. meanwhile, taniguchi remained relaxed even while he lead the charge for his team, a clear statement of who the youngest and most capable person here is, and inoue remained the biggest target but fought hard to postpone the inevitable with exciting late kickouts. i do wonder if id have enjoyed this match as much without the faction absorption stakes, or even watched it. i think if they still showed this amount of pride and resistance to their age, i definitely would. 

(hayata & yoshinari ogawa defeat daisuke harada & junta miyawaki)

the stinger title defense seemed to be in kayfabe and in real life to be a match about stinger and harada stepping back a bit to let miyawaki show how much hes grown. there was a clear contrast between stingers constant support of each other (the kicks from behind the ropes whenever miyawaki ran them were particuarly brutal) and harada and miyawaki mostly spending their time in the ring alone. harada let miyawaki start, let him keep going when the smarter thing to do would have been to save him, and amusingly even kicked his injured back to send him into a pin on hayata as well as hitting it for encouragement. it wasnt apathy, but it was distance. he looked even more excited getting in stingers face after the match than he did during it, lol. i really like the simple yet brutal strategies of stinger, focusing on those grounding body slams and stomps more than anything elaborate. because they dont need to... miyawaki insists on walking into strike exchanges hayata wont honor and runs into their attacks. its cute, and so is his screaming and titanic like expressions reaching for harada. im glad that hayata looked geninuely desperate during miyawakis last stand at the end with that cool submission (double cross-arm breaker?).

(kazuyuki fujita defeats kenoh)

"kenohs judgement". it was like the match was designed by a person who hates kenoh and wants to see him brought down low, but have it really be him whos destroyed, not a weak imitation. it used the pattern weve come to expect, thats lead us to trust in kenoh: no matter what overwhelming odds he faces, he pulls out something ingenious in the end. you could feel fujitas confidence in the way he smirked at the kongoh group pose, the long staredown, when he allowed kenoh to kick him in the chest as hard as he could for over a minute. kenoh was strong enough to lift fujita. he found openings to hit his double stomp, too. but that didnt matter with the amount of power each single slap and each lariat had with fujitas body behind it. theres a reason real combat sports have weight classes. the other sugiuragun members that kenoh have beaten crowded around him on the ground, trying to keep kongoh from protecting him. when kenoh lost fujita treated it like a celebration. i guess kenoh being portrayed like this makes him truly a main character. 

[llycaons]

ep5: haven't we been here before?

I don't remember how accurate this is to the book, but if it is, it should have been changed. two rooftop sword duels between wwx and lwj involving alcohol, within the past three episodes? I don't want to see this again! I don't care that it's raining or that it ends differently (with wwx grabbing onto lwj forcing them out of bounds), it's just not interesting to see again

and I have to say, lwj attacking on sight of wwx doing something wrong is getting so old. can their dynamic progress please

I always thought that scene was weird as hell anyway. not as bad as it could have been but never one I liked. granted, forcing lwj to get drunk like in cql is only a little better, but at least they get closer by the end of it and we learn about lwj's tragic backstory

ohhh but the cold pond cave is very pretty

they don't bother making anyone's hair look wet lol

so yeah this is essentially the same in all adaptations except wwx putting on lwj's clothes omg. and admiring his body lmao

and here we see the famous ear blush. I was never really a fan of that ngl..I don't dislike it but it does nothing for me. im glad they didn't try to recreate it for the drama because I think that would look awkward in a live action. though lwj looks like, bloodless the entire time instead

I am so uncomfortable with their bare chests. I'm trying not to mind the differences in their physiques because it's not like, insanely unrealistic body types but you can tell they animated them with a certain audience in mind and the chiseled abs on super skinny guys is just kind of freaky. you know what it reminds me of the dudes from that anime free! OH it also reminds me of killua in caa when he takes off his shirt and has that six pack

a 15 year old and 15 year old. I don't like this

so I'm really trying to connect with lwj in this show knowing everything I know about him and with all the affection and admiration I have for him from the show and even from the book and it's just not happening. that character might as well be a walking brick wall. do people seriously write fanfic for this guy?

please god not another extended zombie action scene. the guqin power is really cool but I really don't care if they're getting attacked? we know they won't die. can we get back to relationship development

oh my god FOR A BUNNY?? A FUCKING RABBIT?? oh no we can't let a small woodland creature get hurt can we yeah it's definitely going to be attacked by fucking zombies and YOU, THEIR TARGET can keep it safe by carrying it ON YOUR PERSON. yeah the rabbit would be WAY safer with you especially after the zombies rip you apart. idiot

anyway. this this is new. wwx reaching for resentment this early on certainly differs from both other versions of the story I've seen. it fits in the story and provides a logical progression of events while making it clear that it's something he only considered when his life was in danger

as far as I remember there was zero messing around with resentful energy before BM in the novel, and in cql the first glimpse of the sword was when they defeated the tortoise of slaughter. this means that jc not realizing the mystery wen murderer is wwx is about 5 times dumber. this man has absolutely nothing going for him in the donghua huh

oh fuck there's an after-credits scene. was there always one?

lwj not reacting at all to hearing the rabbits would be eaten besides saying he'd keep them. go king give us nothing

well the rabbits are implied to have sex. was it worth it. are you all happy. sigh

the mental damage I'm taking isn't as bad as in the book but. christ. this is really faithful huh

those rabbits at the beginning creep me right out