#im not being the i have a thing for band kid allegations

[thxnks4themrms]

okay but like we can pretty much all agree someone wearing concert black is actually really hot right

[souryogurt64]

Have you ever seen Spectrum Pulse's video essay on The Young Blood Chronicles? Because you may enjoy it.

Im skimming this and it doesnt look like something I agree with— save rock and roll is my favorite album, i dont “hate listen” to it, and fall out boy being “an industry plant” is categorically not true. It also spends quite a bit of time saying the album is anti rap and racist, without really acknowledging that multiple rappers feature on the album and fall out boy continued to work with rappers even more in the future.

It also argues that the evil kid is supposed to symbolize them hating their fans, but the kid is androgynous/biracial and clearly supposed to be Pete, IMO, because there’s an androgynous and biracial kid in a lot of FOB’s works. I am just skimming, but it does not mention that Pete is biracial either. It also trashes the talent of a lot rappers like Kanye West and Big Sean which I fundamentally disagree with.

Conflating Pete’s dick pics with unnamed “allegations” is also a really unprofessional way to write in my opinion. Also pretending that the only reason why they got away with “sexist lyrics” is because critics did not care about them because they were unpopular is categorically and grossly false. Critics did not care about sexism and Fall Out Boy’s lyrics are incredibly, incredibly tame compared to other mainstream media of the time. The senior rock editor of MTV news and rolling stone literally co wrote the book in which pete talks about wanting to hit his teenage girlfriend. Critics knew— they just didnt care.

I do have to give this person a lot of credit for intentionally separating FOBs involvement in racial justice with their treatment of women. This is something the fandom and other creators like history book writers seem incapable of doing, and in fact uses their past involvement in racial justice movements as a tool to harass people who criticize the band.

Urghh and then they trash courtney loves performance too and say she ruins the song. Not true.

Also I feel like this essay spends all its time arguing that srar hates its fans and fans hate it, maybe that was true of older fob fans but I was 13 when it came out and I immediately loved it and so did all of my peers. Fob also continued making pop rock for years and years after that too.

Finally, I think interpreting the entire album as about the relationship between FOB and their fans/critics and bitterly hateful is honestly a bit self absorbed of the author and is skewing their perception of the record as “fall out boy hate their fans”. They bring up MMY as a specific example of this when MMY is pretty clearly about Pete’s ex wife. Etc. Its very bizarre to write like this.

I also think calling MANIA a corporate album is bonkers and like calling FOB an industry plant or Kanye West a bad rapper demonstrates that this person isnt very knowledgeable but is pretending they are. Mania is very weak in many places but it is not “corporate” and “kowtowing to trends” just because they dont personally like it, lmao.

The whole second half of this is just them whining about how every song and every album fob released past 2008 is the worst thing ever. Which like. Okay. Sure

Anyway this is why I dont read or like other bandom essays, I just think no one is very smart about Fall Out Boy and people are intentionally stupid ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ but people probably think that about me too lol. This essay reeks of someone who only likes pre-2007 FOB music and is desperate to sound smart enough to back this up instead of seeming like a petulant child, and also seems delusional in that they view all of FOBs music to be about “hating their fans” to make their opinion seem mutual and justified. Anyway this essay blows

[alarrytale]

You’ll disagree with me on this one and that’s ok but the general public does not pay attention to his parenting skills. The people that call him a deadbeat are Larries and Harries. Larries because they’ve been here during the whole fiasco (aka me) or have fallen down the bbg rabbit hole. Louis actually seems to be a recruiter with all these denials having the opposite effect. Harries will hate on anything Louis is about and get downright nasty about it. Louies either feed into the parenting role or don’t care. Same with the smoking and drinking. The general public sees celebs doing both of these things on a continual basis and don’t bat an eye unless you’re falling over on stage, which some have actually done. It’s normalized unfortunately. Same goes for the homophobia allegations. His performances with flags & light shows that fans have done, portray a welcoming atmosphere even if he’s not holding a flag directly. His little videos also show rainbows so that’s sort of an outdated thought too. With this promoting of donations for WarChildUK, he’s also been included in some pro-Palestine tik-toks and Twitter posts. So his biggest image problem to the general public is actually that he’s not known as a solo artist. Even with that positive press at Glasto, articles rarely mentioned his solo career. Just that he was in 1D. That’s his main issue.

I think you absolutely nailed it when you said his music choice with indie/pop is a factor. He’s too pop for indie and too indie for pop. With these festivals too, some just can’t get past his boy band history. Also his lack of radio play is a huge problem for him. I think people need to move on from that Spotify subject. They’re all losing large # of streams. This isn’t covid time anymore where all everyone did was sit at home and stream on Spotify. It was such a big deal because there were no tours or festivals. It was just streaming. There’s so many ways to listen and discover music now that it’s not the big deal people make it to be. His tour went well. It wasn’t perfect but overall with zero radio play, he did well. We’ll just have to wait and see what his next album will be. Though im secretly hoping for another mixture of pop and indie.

Hi, anon!

I agree with you on some things and disagree with you on other things. I think we sort of disagree when it comes to the public perception of Louis. I agree that the gp don't see him as a dead beat dad. They know what's been reported in the tabloids. Since it's always covered when he is with F, people may think he's an involved dad. On the other hand, fandoms know. Idk if you've seen the Bar*ry Keogh*an dead beat dad accusations, but i don't even pay attention to him and know about that. So i assume even tangent fandoms will have heard about bg, know that he hardly sees the kid, and question things.

I disagree with you, because i think people have a homophobic view of him. At least in the queer/queer supportive cohorts. I see comments on this all the time. Some think that's why he fell out with H. The rainbow lights aren't ever reported on. He's never publicly said or done anything in support of the queer community. What is reported on is the Jenn Selby debacle, let me tell you, journalists hate him (with good reason). The chicken incident was covered and it makes him look like he's still having issues with people shipping him or thinking he's with H. The only reason to keep going on and on about that, is that he's got issues with it that stems from homophobia. So fans and the gp alike think he's either super insecure or a homophobe.

He has supported WarChild, but he also got hell of a lot of backlash after being seen in Starb*cks and McD, so i think that was a bit of damage control.

I agree that his biggest issue is that people don't know him. I think people know he's a solo artist, but they haven't heard any buzz abut him (other than Glasto and Larry denials) and idk if that's enough for people to want to have a listen or check him out. If they do check out his music, it doesn’t look like he's able to keep them listening.

Like i've said before, for me it's not about finding a new audience, it's about keeping and appealing to his current one. He has 35 million followers on twitter. That means there are 35 million people who are interested keeping up with him and hearing what he's got to say. Those 35 million know he's a solo artist. He's got a large fanbase and a large fandom. Half his fans don’t listen to his music, go to shows or buy his merch, because of various reasons.

For me the biggest threat currently is the too pop for indie/too indie for pop issue. He's doing 1D covers for the 1D stans, doing solo songs to show he's a solo artist, doing indie songs to show he's not a boybander, but he's doing it to an audience who sees him as a boybander, while singing boyband songs. He's trying to unite two opposing forces. I just don't ever see this working.

[abixsupernova]

Hello!! X3

in this house we sip (and will always sil) on orphan tears (huge comeback of one of my interests which i never posted about ever ever LMAO)

Im HydraXavious!! Im an artist and animator (though, im not very good at animating, still trying to get better at it tho!! >_<), I am lesbian, aroace, genderfluid and i use any pronouns, or sometimes no pronouns at all!!! and i also dont care what you call me or what pronouns you use for me :33 I was bi before finding out i was lesbian btw!!

i also go by other names, for example:

D!SC0 (translation for anyone who needs it: DISCO or disco)

Partypunkz (translation: partypunks)

Cakepup

Abix

Yumeii

Vin / Vincent

Hydra

Silly

most of those names are the names of my fursonas/sonas in general!!

Some fandoms im in:

Half-life

Rayman

Postal

Portal

Pokemon

TAWOG

Homestuck

Arsenal (yes, the one on roblox. dont know if there even is a fandom for that)

Vocaloid

Furry

Cookie run

Valorant

Team Fortress 2

SkyCOTL (still dont know if there even is a fandom)

My Little Pony

Terraria

JMKit (yes, the one with those two bunnies called jinx and minx)

Regretevator

WuWa

Honkai: Star Rail

Lapfox

YFM/YFMTS

DNI list:

homphobes

transphobes

zoophiles

pedophiles

racists

ableists

anyone from my class (except for the people that i allowed)

also, please DO NOT call me a femboy. im being for real, i get bullied a lot at school and this is one of the things that simply make me uncomfortable, so please dont. (im not a femboy, i just dont wanna get called one because it reminds me of the bullying)

and also PLEASE keep in mind that i am a MINOR.

I am a scene kid, though right now im collecting clothes for the summer!! i do sometimes dress scene, though i dont get to do that oftenly because of people at school are bullying me bad. LIKE REAL BAD. so once i get more clothes ill start dressing scene, right now, ill stick to wearing only kandi bracelets and necklaces during my little phase of collecting clothes!! XP

Also, im not really interested in dating, though i dont mind having a partner!! (reminder: IM LESBIAN.)

Artists and bands i listen to!!

BrokenCYDE

Millionaires

Dot Dot Curve

S3RL

Metro Station

Disco warp

ISMFOF (i set my friends on fire)

Attack Attack!

JJ Demon

MAILPUP

Gynx

Vylet Pony

glitterpop!

Lapfox Trax

femtanyl

Golemm

6arelyhuman (i know their music is not scene, though i think its pretty cool!!)

and many others too!!!

ALSO IMPORTANT THING REGARDING THIS, I DO NOT SUPPORT ANYONE WHO HAS DONE ANYTHING BAD, I JUST SOMETIMES FAIL TO KEEP UP WITH CONTROVERSIES AND ALLEGATIONS.

Anyways, i think that this is all for now, byeee!!1!1 :P

[bhadpodcast]

When nonnie has to resolve to correct spelling cause they’re out of arguments

I mean, hehe. 

Andrew Matarazzo: my people-im-following list about to go way down real soon seeing how many people are posting black squares and absolutely nothing else. You cant just drop a black square so youre “safe & comfortable.” 😤SPEAK UP. and if you guys see someone im following who you have seen been silent/inactive this entire time please lemme know!

Andrew Matarazzo’s followers: Tyler Posey have been silent

Andrew Matarazzo: LMFAO just kidding

And that’s how you know Andrew is one of those privileged people who doesn’t give a fuck about racism and only uses BLM for clout. #Shameful

Well, no, lol. We joke, but it’s hard really taking your friends to task and I think it more just says they’re not that great of friends. 

Anonymous said to

Posey also has a donation link in his bio. So now the problem is it's in his Instagram stories and not on his page? So how about we get more specific about exactly how you want Posey to post? lol You're so pathetically transparent in showing that there was no way he was ever going to do anything you approved of,

A LINK IN HIS BIO?! WE HAVE TRULY OVERCOME!

The problem is his apathy cast a pall on the lackluster nature of his inactions. I’ve been very forthright with my disappointment because of this. And his refusal to acknowledge and fix it in a meaningful way speaks loudly of his character as a person. 

He ALWAYS does this. He messes up, then pretends it never happened and starts to pile on a lot of charitable efforts to make it seem like he was always on the right side and it’s a lie. 

The best thing he can do for me would be to sit down and shut up because at least then he’d be genuine. Otherwise he needs to really internalize this movement and show that he does cares by being openly active. This is the reason Hoechlin surprised us, he not only posted, but acknowledged when people told him how to do it properly. Then he continued with things that we know are important to him, but with the slant of advocating for human rights. 

You can’t touch Dylan and never could. We give the same heat and static to Ryan Kelley and Lord, Ian Bohen, god help us all. 

So you can keep talking about my white faves, but if this is the lie you gotta tell yourself that anything Posey does means anything, then maybe you need to question your fave. 

Anonymous said to

Does posey nonnie realize that posey still had to be told to do more by a cast mate after ppl already got on him for posting about his band and not Blm which then caused him to delete his Instagram only to come back and post 9 black squares which two have captions that are spelled wrong?

Nonnie knows, but would never admit it. See how they keep trying to compare his actions (and now his alleged future actions, haha) because they know on their own his actions look exactly as trifling as they are. 

Oh! That’s what they meant by the spelling thing! AND YES I CARE IF HE SPELLS THE MOVEMENT WRONG! What a twat. 

Posey cares less about blacks and POC than the nonnie does clearly. Which again, I don’t get why they chose him as their passion project. 

[strawberryspeachy]

So when i watched death note in high school it made me curious about real japanese police work. I read about it alot and came to the conclusion that their justice system isnt too great.

Im currently upset that a coworker who i took as a friend - not only disliked me all along - but went as far as to lie about me to get me in trouble. That no one cared to hear my side. That i was fired on the spot. That people turned their back on me immediately. That no one cares.

Well. 17 year old me would have said. But of course. In Japan your guilty until proven innocent. That japanese put on a show but dont truely like most people. That they band together and will go out of their way to avoid any kind of conflict. That they care more about a pretty appearance than solving anything. 17 year old me that only heard and read about Japan knew these things. 17 year old me imagined this cool different country that works because theyre proud of this... performance way that they live. And i was amused by it. All i knew was america and european history. I was so hungry for something different. I was so interested in different people.

Then I went to Japan. I got here and it was too similar to manga. How silly, i thought, those a comics - i didnt actually expect the country to be like those comics. And ive never really been able to place what that made me feel but id grown past this bemusement of different “alien like” people. Theyre just people who live in another country i thought. I dont like america and our norms. I know nothing but america but i dont agree with any of our steriotypes. You cant describe me the way most would try to describe a typical american. So why would people from any other country be different. Im sure theres people like the sterotype - but certainly more not at all like that.

And i got here and i watched the smiles on service workers slowly fade when they thought no one was watching. I watched children put trash where it didnt belong thinking no one was watching. I was girls laugh loudly and run around and yell at their boyfriends. I watched drunk college kids hollar and reak havoc in the city. Not robot people, not obedient children, not, quiet and demure girls listening to the men, not studious students worried about their reputation. Just people. The same people i saw back home.

And so i thought. Its the same. Different history. Varrying values. Same old people - judgmental and watching everyone ready to scold them if they deem it necessary.

But that guilty until prooven innocent thing. The fact that the old way of caring about your reputation is still a solid work practice.

These things. Make me feel like... i guess.... to my dissapointment. Maybe america really is more free...

I dont want that to be true. The us is so full of itself. Just like healthcare. I want universal health care to be a good thing and at very least in japan its not really. Its better. Its more affordable. Maybe their problem is just how much they hate drugs and thats what stops real care.

But. Ive always been a cautious person - i just dont want to get in trouble. But ive never thought id be in a situation i couldnt talk my way out of - because i dont do anything super bad. Maybe sometimes ive pressed the limits - but never outside of... like i drank underage. I tried to get into bars i wasnt old enough for. Ive dodged paying for the train fare. Dumb things. Things that the worse that would happen is i gotta pay it somehow or id get scolded. Drinking under age is against us law but its almost never taken too seriously.

But its occurred to me. Yeah. In japan it is guilty until prooven innocent. I really could have gotten in legal trouble for baseless allegations.

And japan is as racist and people say. Theyre friendly and try to talk to you in english and say nice things. And it doesnt seem like racism to a person from the states. Out racist look at you with digust. They wont touch you. They wont talk to you. They dont want to know about you

But here... it takes the form of a racist parent who grew up in the 50s and knows that theyre not supposed to be racist but still is.

Theyre welcoming and friendly to your face but talk shit behind your back. They ask a bunch of questions like (in america “where are you really from”) they refuse to accept you might actually belong. They constantly want to assert how different you are so instesd of telling you that your different - they ask questions or explain what theyre doing. And if you say ‘yes we also do this’ they react with disbeleif - what? No! You couldnt possibly get this - this is our thing and you are not us! And they constantly ask if you miss your home. Assume that you’re uncomfortable because they are. Also also. Instred of not wanting to touch you here - theyre much more willing to push you out of the way

Theres many mixed race kids here now though. I assume theyll have to do the same thing that happened in America. I havent met any mixed race adults but ive met plenty of white dads.... all trying super hard to assimilate to the point that they walk around talking like robots. Swearing that everything japan is great and they dont miss their home cointries at all. Pretty similar to the immigrants of america from when my mom was a kid.

So i still think at least for japan. Theyre way more similar to the west than they think they are. But these restricting regulations that they live by... really does make the country seem not as free as id ignorantly beleived it was.

It surprised me because their rules are so much like the way my great grandmother talked about stuff. And while were supposed to care... we just dont in the states. Respect your employer? Sure we say we do to their face but talk shit with coworkers. Worry about your reputation? Eh think im a bitch i dont give a fuck whatcha gonna do about it? Nothing thats right. Dont like another person? No one cares. Like that person or dont - it doesnt change anyone elses relationship with them. Make a mistake? Well if your boss fires you - everyone already probably thinks their an asshole cause generally mistakes are just met with some form of dickwaving belittlement. Pretty sure most of us get mad everytime we hear a story about someone getting fired because they posted a picture of them in a bikiki or having fun - most of this generation agrees thats dumb and has to change.

I feel more like an american now than ever. Americans are reluctant to change im told. Yes. I suppose we are. We might not know the rest of the worlds history but we kinda know our own. And as much as ive alwags agreed with the sentiment that cultures are different and thats just the way they want to be.... we used to be these ways but decided it was restrictive and controlling and mentally abusive and fought it...

Ive been reading more about the work culture in japan to figure out how he fuck this went so wrong. Apparently when young japanese people enter the work force, they cant even have friends as distractions outside of work because their boss will move them away from home.

Ive already read that japanese think suffering is good and seniority and witness first hand their preoccupation of appearing busy over actually being productive. Its just this constant performance.

Perhaps i did stress him out to the point of physical pain. I remember having a massive meltdown where i shook and it felt like my brain was melting after i tried so hard to be a good nice person. I did whag people apparently like. I changed myself to just agree with people and be positive and assume the best in everyone. Then my “friend” told me that i was a bad friend because i asked them if they would people drive their friends home so i could to sleep at 4am. And the two things just didnt click. I didnt go to sleep that night. I sat at my desk shaking for the next 5 hours and having flashbacks.

Im talkative. I talk as much as i do here in real life. And i have alot of questions. I talked to him a lot. Made him look not busy. I know he liked talking to me. I know he did. Thats why i got confortable talking more. He was always surprised when i asked him questions about himself but once he started answering he kept talking. Yeah. Its nice to have someone ask you what your thoughts are on topics. What your experiences have been. Did you like those things or not. I know japan it a group think culture - i guess they get there by really draining out ANY idea of individualality. He told me hed never been asked what he likes about himself. In the us were asked that constantly from elementary school “what do you like about yourself. What do you like about your friend. What makes you different?”

It kinda baffles me... questions and thoughts like these are so common in anime.... and obviously anime is popular in japan. Obviously obviously. Im confused how theyre watching these programs often with such deep meanings.... and not taking anything away from them. In the states our tv programs are always being restricted and stuff because they might give us “bad ideas” but they aren’t restricted here and yet... it seems no one takes anything from them

When i visited japan in 2013 i saw a teenage girl in huge heels lose her balance and stomp on a middle aged womans foot. That woman had already been standing like her feet were in pain and she made a face of being in so much pain. The girl rudely didn’t apologize and the older woman said nothing. She smiled through her pain...

And i also complained to my coworker. Not full on complaining. The small ones you make at work when youre not sure of the extent you can go to. At first he held off like the other teachers. But. Then. He started complaining back. It got to me not needing to be the one say an annoyance first. Like i asked how his meeting was. Other people i worked with might leave it ah it was a bit slow but necessary. And he started that way. But instead he started responding to me a succession of statements the slowly crept more toward his real feelings. ‘It was good... we didnt do much... or anything, i just sat and listened and took notes. we dont learn anything, it takes up a lot of time but we have to go. I dont like those meetings. I dont know their pupose... but were told to go so we must’

Whatever. Im just gonna keep rambling and complaining about this cause it sucks and is awful. Contracted woth my company i wasnt allowed to publically critisize japan. I imagine thats why you dont often find many things on the internet complaining. You will literally be unemployable if your name is attached to critisisms of this country.

Where as everyone can come to the states and tell us to our faces how much we suck and how much cooler their countries are. And generally the younger general is just kinda like - ‘you right’ people write articles all the time shit talking the states and we just go ‘ya we deserve that’ we do. Im not saying dont do that... but like... maybe just maybe. Were doing the good thing where were like

Haha call us fat! We are fat. We love us some mcdonalds. Hm.... why though. Actually we need to fix that. Why are people eating so unhealthy? What is the underlying cause of this problem? Lets try to work on that - and then we fight amoungst ourselves.

I like that... i like thay thing we do

In the states you might not want to become a ‘whistleblower’ and in some industrys you might get black listed for something dumb. But at least we talk about it and agree its a problem. In japan no one wants to even admit they have problems.

Know what else i told him. I talked about how were overworked in the states. That our work culture has gotten too similar to japans and we hate it. No one working 80 hour weeks thinks that they should have to do that. Of course i didnt go about it that way. I told him that my friends back home work 80 hour weeks and its unhealthy. That i cant work that much and refuse to. He i imagine counted how many hours he works and laughed and i said - oh haha yea i guess you also work that much. And he looked so much like he wanted to cry about it in the same way my friends back home. But said its natural in japan and that hes gotten used to it. But he definitely didnt mean it as he said it. I told him my friends say that as well. That i think theyre workaholics and i personally cant do it. That when work calls them they always pick up the phone even when they dont want to. But i dont do that. When my job called me as a server id ignore it and call them back later when it was too late for me to be asked to come in and ask them what they wanted.

Maybe to him my stories felt like when i read about students in europe being allowed to not go to school without reprucussions. It made HAVING to go to school evem more annoying. Why cant we choose to take breaks? I heard that place doesnt have homework - meanwhile im given at least 6 hours work a night! Not everyone has to do this? Other places learn things for fun?? They dont have to keep up with standardized exams that dont account for different teachers and school districts?? A 50% in that country isnt a failing grade???

Those were already shitty things but to read about them not bein universal did make having to endure it more upsetting.

Doesnt change that im stoll upset with him for not saying anything to me. Doesnt change that im mad that he made stuff up.

Really me rambling on about this doesnt change my presepective on any of it. Im just bitching