#iliad vent lol

[khaire-traveler]

You know what kind of bothers me is this strange UwU-ification of Patroclus from The Iliad. Y'all, Patroclus was ALSO a soldier, and he killed a FUCK ton of people before he, himself, was killed. Many warriors fell by HIS hand. The only reason he stopped fighting in battle was because Apollo literally hit him in the head and dazed him, catching him off-guard long enough for Hector to step in and rock his shit (as well as that Euphorbus guy). It took a literal GOD to slow him down!!! Patroclus is so fucking strong and cool and badass; stop making him out to be Achilles' lesser or weaker half.

[achillean-knight]

Yeah, turns out Achilles is my mega comfort character. As much as I LOVE doodling Patroclus, I always end up drawing Achilles when I'm in the dumps. So uh BEHOLD some Achilles doodles because I've been struggling super badly :') (Namely with anxiety and dysphoria)

(TW for death on the second piece btw)

Thank you Achilles for being both a sweetheart in Hades and a dick in the Iliad so I can draw both versions depending on my mood HBGDSFSDH

[dootznbootz]

Can I ask why you hate OdyDio? I’m not super familiar with Greek mythology yet, and I’ve seen OdyDio as fairly popular so I’m curious about the other side lol (I personally don’t ship it just because I can’t imagine Odysseus with anyone other than Penelope tbh).

Because people are literally mischaracterizing both Odysseus and Diomedes to make it work and it spits in the face of what Homophrosyne means 🙃

And people are nuts about it in a way that pisses me off more than any other NOTP/crackship I've had before.

I guess this post, This one, and This one that people have done about vague fandom is a good explanation if that's all you want as I do rant here lol. NGL, I don't...really care if I'm being mean right now. Like block, unfollow, or ignore me. I wanna rant.

Btw, yeah, I'm being a "hater" but I'll tag right so you can block "#anti odydio" if you must.

I already didn't care for it in the first place, (I've vented about it before) as I agree, OdyPen are literally soulmates. To the point where they have their own WORD for their love. And yet people will fucking insist that "Oh, Odysseus and Diomedes are more compatible". WHERE?

The Odyssey is literally about him trying to go back home to Penelope and their son. And even in the Iliad, Odysseus mentions her. The Odyssey only mentions Diomedes three times and never once by Odysseus (once by Nestor, twice by Menelaus) so... that goes to show how Odysseus feels about him. 🤷

I was just neutral about the ship existing because it's like one of those absurd crackships to me but with how popular, fanonized, and just...With HOW people have behaved about it to me ;~;

Ofc, I'm a huge Penelope fan but even with Diomedes, you can't go into his tag without OdyDio. I'm not even joking. I'm sad I've had to block Diomedes' tag as well because people don't tag right AND don't apparently see him as more than Odysseus' "fling" ;~; (I mean at least Penelope and Diomedes can relate to the fact that it sucks that a lot of people are only caring about them because of Odysseus and not because of who they are. :/ )

Even with OdyPenDio. I've noticed that it mostly means OdyDio (+ Pen in the footnotes) :/

Just in general, with my own reading of the Iliad, I...WHERE?! xD Where is the "ship"? They are comrades and they're very different from one another personality wise. Sure, they're a good team in combat but in life??? They are not "likeminded" at ALL.

They also have a fairly large agegap, Odysseus being one of the older kings while Diomedes is one of the youngest. I have them around a decade apart in my writing If you bring up pederasty, you will be smited. You're fucking disgusting. They also have very little in common other than them both being Athena's pets (which um. Penelope is one too, you know?). Odysseus is a fucked up lil warrior trickster who loves his wife and child more than life itself while Diomedes is a young child soldier boy who is incredibly duty bound and war is where he feels most comfortable.

Diomedes would not put up with Odysseus' rambling about his family and Odysseus WANTS to talk about that. They're like co-workers.

Diomedes is a younger king who looks up to all these older and more experienced kings. "Notice me, senpai" energy, and I love it!

That's just the Canon texts itself as to why I just simply disliked it. The fandom was... yeah ;~; made me hate that it even exists. (Not all! Some of y'all are incredibly kind and respectful of boundaries and I appreciate that! It's just that...Some were not.)

I mean I've had to deal with Aphobia surrounding my OdyPen and along with some asks/people in the past who were TRYING to make me write about OdyDio despite the fact that I've never liked it. "Hey, I know you don't like this thing, but maybe THIS will change your mind. You have fun ideas so I wanna see what you do with OdyDio!"

Do you know how shitty that feels? 😞 To have people, WHO KNOW YOU DON'T LIKE SOMETHING, try to make you like it? By sending you links and "headcanons" that will "still work in your writing?" Sending in your asks, DMING YOU SOMETIMES.

That was like, a year ago and thankfully it's stopped for the most part but I was in such a funk that I didn't even wanna write ANYTHING for a while.

Funny enough? I USED to have this "Oh, Odysseus and Diomedes are exes who fucking hate each other." idea where I aged up Diomedes to make it work, which I now no longer have because I realized I only wrote that way because I thought I HAD to in order to get people to be nice to me. ;~; Because if they're romantic at some point but simply don't click, maybe that'll be enough. To get people to just shut up and stop sending me things. (fuck the anon who sent smut last December. you suck.)

I changed that (now it's Greater Ajax who's his ex. lol. idk ask about it if you want.) because I realized yeah, it was making me unhappy and because I felt like I HAD to. ;~;

I also think it's weirdly because some Odysseus fans almost block out the Odyssey, you know, HIS story, and pretend like he didn't do everything to get home to his loved ones.

I've seen some ridiculous shit about Penelope as well. >:( like holy shit, misogyny everywhere.

"Oh, she didn't trust him and made him cry when she tricked him. She's abusive!" Literally one of the most stupid things I've ever fucking heard. She HAD to be sure it was him and when she knows for sure, she apologizes, explains, and kisses him. Kisses that he desperately and happily returns btw.

"After all Odysseus goes through from the Goddesses, he's afraid of women so he and Penelope separate." ...WHAT?! He literally wants to "embrace in love in their bed" as soon as they stop crying! And she holds him back only to know Tiresias' prophecy, which he DOES TELL HER BTW, before they DO "show love".

"Penelope becomes Odysseus' and Diomedes' surrogate!" ...Wow. Just wow. Love how people will talk about how ancient men in the past only saw women as "breeders" as though they're any fucking different with THIS fucking take.

It's annoying that I'll post a headcanon on tumblr and then the tags are "This but with OdyDio." or that people will often only like/reblog my ODYSSEUS shit and not my Penelope. ;~;

I love how people will be adamant about how "Odysseus never cheated" (true), and yet have him with Diomedes :/ Like at LEAST have OdyPen agree to have an open marriage before they're separated if you're going to pull that stance. (also give Penelope a girlfriend if Odysseus gets a boyfriend, you cowards)

So many people for some reason only see Penelope for what she is for her husband and that's all. As though that's all she is. And as if Odysseus isn't as intertwined with her as she is with him.

I just... stdrfgyh ;~; I wouldn't hate it so much if people were nice about someone not liking it but the fact that I literally cannot escape it and because some people were just so pushy, I just negative memories I guess.

Either way, I love Diomedes and Sthenelus together :) whether as a QPR or romantic or whatever, those two are like bonded pairs that cannot be adopted separately.

[irlwolfdog]

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[black-bird-red-belly]

Intro Post :)

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Will edit as time goes on!

[dootznbootz]

I saw your Helen timeline post and if it helps any a route you could go is just cut the pieces you don't like out of the timeline because the timeline is made retroactively anyways. For example I study Theseus extensively all the way back to Linear B Bronze Age when he's first introduced. The Iliad is carried forward from then. There is no mention of the abduction in the Iliad at all Theseus is literally only named to call him like an immortal because he was just So famous everyone knows everything about him thank you Homer. And it's not until like 450 BC there's this pot of Theseus chasing a woman and people say it's supposed to be Helen but that doesn't hold up with accounts that say Helen was a child. And the most complete versions of this myth are from 1 century BC to the Roman Empire with Plutarch Ovid and Virgil. Also to note in the 5th century Athenians were making plays about how epic and awesome Athens therefore Theseus was so anyone Not from Athens with a dislike for them would in turn naturally make plays and stories about how lame and awful Athens and therefore Theseus was

Sorry for the long ask lmao but hope that helps somewhat with getting an idea of how fucky these timelines are always going to be

Thank you very much! And don't be sorry! This is very helpful! I mostly made the post as a bit of a joke and a vent in a way, as I had around 7 pages in my notebook of the sources and stories of the myths (Bellerophon, Herakles, Theseus, Jason and the Argonauts, Atalanta, etc.) to pull from but realized that me trying to map out a timeline was a bit pointless (especially for just a fic, I got too lost in the sauce of research) as there are SOOO many different sources with so many different stories that contradict each other. Like you mentioned some Non-Athenians disliked Theseus, and a lot of Roman poets did not like Odysseus as they believed they were the descendants of Troy, so ofc they will have a personal take on the story. LOTS of politics eventually got involved with these stories lol.

I got so caught up in research, as I didn't want to possibly spread misinformation (even if it's just a fic, I know that that can change things) with something as small as a character making a joke about how Daedalus could make another Pegasus by making wax wings for a horse when Daedalus couldn't have possibly even known about Bellerophon because Bellerophon was later on but realized that there's not meant to be a timeline in the first place really and that I can technically pick and choose which version of the myth I'd use.

Now I'm mostly focusing on what I can find for the Mycenaean period. There was no sugar (and in some sources, I saw that if they did have it, it was used as medicine) and they used honey as a sweetener instead. There was no steel. They did not use saddles. Stuff like that.