#ikemen genjiden kurama

[ga-yuu]

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[shatcey]

Tamamo Route (Kurama Advertising Company)

It was amazing. I already mentioned that there was a big scene with Kurama at the beginning of the route. But I didn't expect how much he would affect the plot at the end.

And he was really good. I was even afraid that he would outshine Tammy in the same way how Yoichi outshone Shigehira on his route.

But no… Foxie used a pretty strong card and secured his first position. Barely.

But about Kurama…

Our girl needed his advice. Weel… I can't explain it without a spoiler, so let's leave it that way. A meeting with the leaders was arranged. I squeaked when I saw Yoshi (I missed him so much). And… Kurama literally attack her. And when, despite her fear, she defend herself, he agreed to help. Explaining that only few people are capable of this. He evasively admitted that he respected her. This is… huge. Kurama considers humans to be weak creatures, so he doesn't pay any attention to them.

It's not a reference to Gilbert, is it???

I've already thought about it… We have 3 ayakashi in the game. They all have different backgrounds, and they have different ideas about who they are and what is important to them. I don't know anything about Ibuki, but I've heard a bit about him, so I have a couple of ideas…

But they all think that humans and ayakashi can't mix. Not in any sense, not just romantically. They are too different. And on the Tamamo route, we see how people are afraid of them. And that's what Kurama is talking about. Unless Ayakashi disguise their power… people are instinctively afraid of them. And it doesn't let them get any closer.

Actually Kurama is a mediator on this route. Totally unexpected. He's usually don't talk much. And here… he told MC about Tamamo's past and why people are afraid of Ayakashi and… even helped… No wonder I thought he was a love rival.

And on their mission together… he carried her as he flew.

I love this takeoff/landing animation… It's so simple, but beautiful.

So… my point is Kurama is really cool, complex and funny person. And the developers showed this in one of the launch routes. But his route came out only a year and a half later.

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[reccyls]

Kurama and Ibuki's Act 2 announced for Jan 16, 2024

[omkookie]

✨Ikegen memes because you found Tamamo✨

[dear-mrs-otome]

Went for the ecb because 1) why keep holding on to my 200+ stamina sets and 2) KURAMA

[redheadkittys]

...more wigglewiggle 😆...

[ask-misun-and-oc]

I want still play Ikemen Genjiden although it's discontinued

Misun!bot

I don't know why. Although it's very late, i want translate the main route of Ikemen Genjiden. There are reasons why i want it.

*There is Yoritomo*

I admit i love the design but not the personality... i hate it because of the real history. Well, mostly i love the design and the voice at first. The history also interesting. It's related to Battle of Atsukashiyama which appears in Touken Ranbu Hanamaru S2 (when Imanotsurugi has insecurities about when Yoritomo dared to kill Yoshitsune) and in Musical Touken Ranbu: Atsukashiyama Ibun. So, when i noticed Yoritomo in IkeGen, i remember "Battle of Atsukashiyama" in Touken Ranbu. Beside Battle of Atsukashiyama, some battle with Yoritomo's lore also included in game such as "Battle of Oshu". Overall, i love Yoritomo based on the design and the voice (and the route reminds me to Touken Ranbu).

*A good thing to build my saniwa lore*

In Eiga Touken Ranbu 2: Reimei, there is Ibuki which mean... Shuten Doji appears. So, when Ibuki debuted in IkeGen, i remember how he appeared and possesed a young man who is also named "Ibuki". Beside, Abe no Seimei also appeared in the movie. While in Ikemen Genjiden, Yasuchika is reincarnartion of Abe no Seimei. So... so much thing to know more about the route in Ikemen Genjiden to complete my saniwa lore. The main route (i mean the act 1 and act 2) is become a good story for a mission in Touken Ranbu fanfic. I mean Ikemen Genjiden told a story about what if Yoshitsune is still alive in Kamakura era (about 1193 A.D)

*Some Touken Danshi are related to the characters*

Let see the examples.

1. Benkei was told if he had collected a thousand swords, and Iwatooshi was rumored to be one of them. Then, both Imanotsurugi (rumored just like Iwatooshi) and Hizamaru belonged to Yoshitsune. While Yoritomo had Higekiri. Shishio also belonged to Yorimasa, Yoritomo's ally and perhaps he had ever taken care or even met Shigehira.

2. There are swords that belonged to Taira clan. They are Kogarasumaru and Nukemaru (and in IkeGen, the last survivor of Taira clan is Shigehira). Maybe Shigehira had relation to Taira no Masakado.

3. Back to event "Hyakki Yakou Operation" 2 months ago, there was a man with kitsune's mask. It confirmed if he is Kitsunegasaki which was forged during "Kagetoki's Incident" (Kagetoki hid in a place where Kitsunegasaki was forged)

4. Ibuki a.k.a Shuten Doji, back to in Heian period, was slain by Minamoto no Yorimitsu. The legend said Ibuki was slain using Dojigiri and Onimaru Kunitsuna. In IkeGen, he appears again, which mean... there is a potential he will be slain again by Onimaru or there will be a story when Bakufu army order Touken Danshi to slay Ibuki.

5. There are some yokaii that famous and Shishio told if he was used to slay Nue. Meanwhile in IkeGen, ayakashi is part of yokaii too, including Ibuki, Kurama Tengu, and Tamamo-no-Mae (oh, Rikka is ayakashi too). Who knows if Ibuki or Tamamo had ever meet Nue in the past. Higekiri who also known as "Onikiri" perhaps know well about Ibuki.

*Some characters are familiar*

Back to the reason why i love Yoritomo. Don't you notice if Yoritomo is much like Nobunaga? Their personality makes me think if Yoritomo is 'the ancient Nobunaga' or... Nobunaga is 'the copy of Yoritomo'. They are ambitious, teasingful, rude, arrogant, and possesive. Even both of them are pinned the MC in their route.

Beside that, there are some characters that familiar as i play games.

Sueharu is similar as Date Masamune and Shokudaikiri by the design.

Morinaga is similar as Date Masamune and Hideyoshi.

Yasuchika's clothes is similar as Mikazuki Munechika.

And again, Yoritomo. The face and the design are similar as Hijikata from Hakuoki (i mean look at the kimono. Both Hijikata and Yoritomo has purple kimono. Yoritomo's appearance also same as Hijikata with short hair).

The last one, Kurama Tengu. He is much like Hizen Tadahiro.

*Some accounts announced if they won't continue the route*

At first time i play, i felt difficult to read the route and then i stopped playing it. Yet, i started reading it again after know the translation. At least i know the summary and the selection. Or if i feel lazy to play it, i just read the translation from some account (btw thanks for @archiveikemen @aishangotome @ga-yuu / @gayuu-the-necromancer @sakura-samsara @dear-mrs-otome @aoi-aoi-chan and @shatcey for translating.)

Unfortunately some route were incomplete and some accounts decided to stop playing Ikemen Genjiden even permanently. So... i want to continue the incomplete one rather than waiting it although the game is discontinued. I'm still curious about Shigehira, Kagetoki, Tamamo, and Rikka.

So, it makes sense i had to know about the route.

[gayuu-the-necromancer]

just wondering but what's Yoshino's personality like? She sounds like a great woman from the way you speak of her :)

Great is an understatement, if you ask me. She is the BEST WOMAN TO COME OUT OF CYBIRD!!! Of course, this is not a biased statement by any means. You can ask any players who have played genjiden, they all have only nice things to say about her! If anyone says, they hate her.................................................well, they have bad taste in women. That's all I can say!

My Yoshino is the definition of cute! You can google the definition of cute and the very sentence describes Yoshino. From her design to her personality, all screams cuteness!! Ikemen MCs are like a symbol of purity and kindness and I think out of all the MCs (excluding Kate for now) Yoshino fits that perfectly! She is very kind, considerate of others, adaptable, and very brave indeed. I'm not exaggerating this. As a doctor, she will treat anyone she can! Even including a demon. You can argue that it's because she is a doctor and all doctors would treat a wounded person regardless of whether they are friends or enemies. That could be true, but Yoshino's goal in life is also to open her own pharmacy and help anyone she can as long as she is alive. She doesn't do her job half-heartedly and treats everyone's injuries carefully as if she really wants her patients to be healthy. She also doesn't think she is too great of a doctor, because she also wants to study. If she finds any books on medicines, she will be sitting down and studying them for the whole night to the point that male leads have to carry her to bed. All male leads love watching her work because it heals their heart, but they would also have to make sure that she doesn't overwork because, yes! Yoshino is kind of a workaholic. I'll come to this matter later!

Now her being considerate. She doesn't care if the person standing in front of her is an enemy or a demon. Her kind heart will be still praying for their safety first. This can be clearly seen in some scenes, for example, in Yoshitsune's chap 1 and 2, Yoshino finds a fatally injured enemy soldier inside a hut where she took refuge from the ongoing war. Despite knowing that he's an enemy, she still decides to treat his injuries. She went out to get some water for her treatment but unfortunately confronts Yoshitsune on the battlefield. Yoshitsune of course was about to slice her head off, and Yoshino, after knowing that she is about to die and there is no one to rescue her, the first thing she recalls is the injured enemy soldier who is waiting for her in the hut. She immediately stops Yoshitsune from killing her saying that she's in the middle of her treatment and he can't kill her until she finishes it. This is just one example. No matter which situation she is in, the first thing she asks about is if her friends are safe or not.

Yoshino is very brave and adaptable. As long as she understands that the enemy in front of her has no intention of killing her, she will not be scared and will talk to him normally. The best example of this is Kurama's route. As you all know, Kurama has a unique personality. Yes, he glares and threatens everyone all the time, but he doesn't find weak people interesting. In his Chap 1, Kurama doesn't kill Yoshino despite her being an enemy because she's weak (physically). When Yoshino learned this, she started being less wary of Kurama and soon started understanding his personality. Kurama too finds it fascinating, how she bravely, talks her thoughts to him, eye-to-eye, without trembling. After she's taken hostage, she looked Yoshitsune and the others in the eye despite being a tad bit nervous. Yoshitsune and the others immediately like that about her because in this way she conveys that she doesn't have hatred towards Yoshitsune and his friends. She later even helped one of their citizens, which led to all of them giving her a party.

Yoshino is also brave or sometimes even more than the male lead in some cases. She will go to any lengths to save her loved ones. Like in Kagetoki's route, there is literally a scene where she shoves a knife at Akihito's throat and shows that she is actually ready to kill him. But this was just her plan to lure out Yasuchika, so he could stop Akihito from killing Kagetoki because she knows that Akihito is Yasuchika's weakness. Another scene from Kagetoki's route, which is my personal favorite, is when Kagetoki was suspected of being a spy of the Imperial Court. When everyone was blaming Kagetoki, Yoshino stepped in to prove his innocence by doing the investigation herself and bringing in actual proof. The beauty of this scene is that no one asked her to, not even Kagetoki. She did it all on her own. Even Kagetoki was shocked that she would be this brave to do something outside her comfort zone. There is also this scene in Yoichi's route where she fights a demon with a little bit of encouragement from Yoichi. There are scenes like this in almost every route.

Now coming to my favorite part. Yoshino is super seductive. It's not she wears revealing clothes to excite the male leads and get's all touchy, but instead when the male leads talk to her, they are all so smitten because she's so honest! It's not like she's trying to woo someone. Whatever she says and whatever reactions give, all are so honest. When she wants to understand someone, she openly asks and when she's bullied by the male leads, she blushes so much. Yes! Yoshino is a masochist. She really enjoys it when the male leads are a little 'mean' towards her. I'm not joking! She actually said it herself. Also, she has her own pick-up lines to excite the male leads. Here are some of my favorite pick-up lines:

Yoshino to Yoritomo: "I know, Yoritomo-sama is a man who doesn't show his weakness to anyone. But at least when we are together, I want you to be yourself."

Yoshino to Kagetoki: "Okay, Ibuki. I'll be your woman if Kagetoki-san loses the chess match....so let's see Kagetoki-san, if you can actually win this or not."

Yoshino to Shigehira: "Whenever you want me, I'll always be there for you."

Yoshino to Morinaga: "I wonder if I can be like you. If Yoritomo-sama is the one who changes the whole world, Morinaga-san is the one who saves his people. But I also learned that it is very difficult to save someone, I learned that today. That's why I really admire you....from the bottom of my heart."

Yoshino to Yoshitsune: "Please...Yoshitsune-sama....please leave a mark on me."

Yoshino to Benkei: "Benkei, can I hug you one more time? I feel safe and happy when I hug you."

Yoshino to Yoichi: "Just so you know! No matter what happens, I'm not giving up on you!"

Yoshino to Kurama: "Whenever we're doing it, I always end up fainting. I was a little sad because I thought I wasn't satisfying you enough. But last night, I didn't faint at all! So I'm not sad anymore!

Yoshino to Sueharu: "When I'm with you, I get excited. Even more, than you think."

Yoshino to Yasuchika: "I'll choose this purple one because it's the same color as Yasuchika."

Yoshino to Akihito: "I'll protect you from all the darkness in the world."

Yoshino to Tamamo: "I will never abandon you no matter what!"

Yoshino to Ibuki: "I didn't feel scared Ibuki. When I saw your horns coming out of your shiny blond hair, I thought they looked really beautiful under the evening sun."

Now let me explain some of her flaws so that no one complains.

As I said, Yoshino is a workaholic. Due to this she never takes care of herself. There was a scene in one of Ibuki's stories, where she ACTUALLY faints in the middle of the road at night due to anemia. Even though the male leads keep asking her to rest, she will still be stubborn and will always keep working hard. They all know that she loves her job but they also have to make sure that she doesn't go overboard. So the best way they find to stop Yoshino from working is to distract her by hugging and kissing her and whispering affectionate words to her ears.

She can also be reckless. She is someone who tries to do everything on her own. The male leads are always like "RELY ON ME!! I'LL PROTECT YOU!!" but this line goes above her head because she still becomes reckless no matter how many times the male leads begs her to not be reckless. In the end, the male leads gave up and told her to do whatever she wants and that they will be behind her back protecting her.

I could go on more if you want!

[cheshireliam]

cheshireliam's Ikemen Genjiden Glossary

⚠️ Please note that this glossary applies to THIS BLOG ONLY. Other translators will have their own ways to translating some terms and I respect their choices. DO NOT USE THIS AS A REPLACEMENT FOR AN ACTUAL JAPANESE DICTIONARY.

This post will be updated regularly, whenever I encounter a new term or I recall one.

Seriously, don’t use this as a dictionary. I’m not responsible if you fail your JLPT or something.

LAST UPDATE: 13 JULY 2024

Yokai Names

九尾の狐 (kyuubi no kitsune) — Nine-Tailed Fox

妖狐 (youko) — Fox Demon

⤷ Both refer to the same suitor, Tamamo.

酒呑童子 (shuten douji) — A mythical Oni & Demon King

⤷ Refers to Ibuki.

鴉天狗 (karasu tengu) — Crow Tengu

⤷ Refers to Kurama.

雪女郎 (yukijorou) — Snow Woman, Snow-Type Ayakashi

⤷ Refers to Rikka.

八岐大蛇 (yamata no orochi) — Eight-Headed Serpent

People and Places

大倉幕府 (ookura bakufu) — Okura Shogunate

鎌倉幕府 (kamakura bakufu) — Kamakura Shogunate

幕府 (bakufu) — Shogunate

⤷ All refer to the same thing: Yoritomo’s Shogunate.

反乱軍 (hanran gun) — Rebel Army

⤷ Refers to Yoshitsune’s army / faction.

御所 (gosho) — Palace / Shogun’s Residence

⤷ Refers to either Yoritomo’s residence or Akihito’s palace. The term is commonly understood to mean "palace” as in 京都 御所 (Kyoto Imperial Palace). However, the SHOGUN did not live in actual castles or palaces until the Ashikaga Shogunate built the 花の御所. Instead, the Kamakura Shogunate (Minamoto Clan) lived in luxurious villas. To avoid confusion, I will be referring to Yoritomo's residence in Genjiden as the "palace” and Akihito’s palace in Kyoto as specifically “imperial palace” in my translations.

館 (yakata) — Manor

⤷ E.g. Yoshitsune’s residence

屋敷 (yashiki) — Mansion

⤷ E.g. Yasuchika’s residence, Kagetoki’s residence.

Others

陰陽術 (onmyou jutsu) — Onmyō Magic

黄泉 (yomi) — Underworld

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[sakura-samsara]

Kurama's Birthday (9/6) Homepage Card Lines

Kurama: Why are you shy all of a sudden? You were the one who said you would do whatever I want on my birthday. I won't let you go back on your word…

Other Characters' Lines

Yoshitsune: Kurama, it's because of you that I have never truly been lonely. Yoshitsune: I'm grateful that you appeared before me on that fateful day. …I wish you a happy birthday.

Benkei: Your birthday, huh… Do you even remember how old you are, Kurama? Benkei: Well, I guess it doesn't matter too much, anyways. Happy birthday.

Yoichi: So, Kurama, how old are you gonna turn? …Heh, that's what I thought. Even if you could tell me, I don't think I'd be able to comprehend it. Yoichi: At any rate, it's your birthday. Take it easy and have a good time today.

Yoritomo: Kurama, you are my enemy for as long as you stand by Yoshitsune—so today might be the last birthday you'll spend in one piece. You'd better prepare yourself.

Shigehira: Kurama-san, would you say that ayakashi have a different idea of what birthdays are than humans do? Shigehira: …I'm just curious. That's all. I have no intention of congratulating an enemy on his birthday.

Kagetoki: Tell me, Kurama. Do ayakashi become more powerful as they age? If so, it is troublesome, indeed… Kagetoki: I must make sure that this is your last birthday.

Morinaga: Kurama, I heard from Tamamo that it's your special day. Happy birthday! Morinaga: …Oh? He told me ayakashi aren't against being congratulated on their birthdays, too. So then what's with that look on your face?

Tamamo: The lives of ayakashi are long… Even longer than you are yet aware, Kurama. May you live as long as can be so that we can enjoy our time in this world. Tamamo: Have a happy birthday.

Yasuchika: Kura-rin, how do ayakashi celebrate birthdays? What kind of gifts do they give?? Yasuchika: I would love to participate in any sort of special birthday rituals you might have—hey, wait!! I wasn't done asking questions!

[ga-yuu]

Pregnancy stories - When Yoshino was pregnant with Izumi

Few days before Izumi was born...

Yoshino: "So...?"

Kurama: *touching her belly* "Ah. Baby feels healthy."

Yoshino: "Really! Thank god!....*rubs her belly* I can't wait to meet you."

Kurama: "You look happier than before."

Yoshino: "Of course I am. It's my first being a mom. I wonder how it's going to feel like. I'm really looking forward to it."

Kurama: "I see."

Yoshino: "Also thank you Kurama. You and all the Rebel members have been taking good care of me for the past 9 months. Thank you." *kisses his cheek*

Kurama: "For handling all your mood swings, I deserve more than a kiss on the cheek."

Yoshino: "Mm...." *kisses his lips*

Kurama: "Still...I don't understand, why those guys are excited more than me. I'm the father of the baby, yet they all are acting like it's their baby."

Yoshino: "Fufu...they're just excited about the fact that they're going to be uncles."

Yoshino: *looks at her belly* "You're so lucky. You're going to have some many people who's going to love you."

Kurama: "..........."

Kurama: "Yoshino."

Yoshino: "Hm?"

Kurama: "Why.....do you look so beautiful today?"

Yoshino: *blushing*

They both move close to kiss each other.

Yoichi: "Dinner's ready!"

Kurama and Yoshino: "Ah!" *moves away*

Sueharu: "I hope we didn't interrupt you guys."

Kurama: *glares*

Benkei: "Looks like we did."

Yoshitsune: "Yoshino, how are you feeling?"

Yoshino: "I'm doing fine Yoshitsune-sama, thank you."

Benkei: "Today, I made you your favorite Yoshino. Can you eat? Tell me if you need anything else."

Yoshino: "No no no. It's fine. I already feel bad for harassing you all with my mood swings for the past 9 months."

Yoshitsune: "Don't worry about that. We understand how hard it is for a woman who is going through this phase."

Sueharu: "That was really an experience. But it was fun."

Yoichi: "Yeah, we got to see so many fun things. Especially, angry Yoshino."

Yoshino: *blushing* "Please don't remind me that..."

Yoichi: "Do you remember that day, when Kurama asked Yoshino to peel oranges for him? And Yoshino was like 'You lazy-ass, do it yourself! How about for once, take ownership for what you did to me and feed me oranges!' "

Yoshino: *blushing* "Hey, I didn't go that far."

Kurama: "Yeah you did."

Yoshino: "Kurama!" *blushing*

Sueharu: "Yeah. And Kurama never asked again. From then on, he was the one feeding Yoshino oranges."

Kurama: "Because the doctor told me that Yoshino's body was weak and she needed a lot of food to stay healthy."

Benkei: "Yeah, and you were only feeding her oranges. "

Kurama: "What's wrong with oranges?"

Benkei: *sighs* "Nothing, but she needed to have more healthy food to survive the labor."

Yoshitsune: "Yes. That's why I also helped Kurama to make rice cakes."

Yoichi: "Yeah and you two burned the entire kitchen."

Kurama: "I thought if I increased the flames, it would cook fast."

Yoshitsune: "I'm sorry Benkei.....I made a mess."

Benkei: "It's fine Yoshitsune-sama! You were only trying to help."

Yoichi: "Hey that's so unfair! Why is Yoshitsune-sama forgiven so easily while I and Sueharu was punished to clean the entire kitchen?"

Sueharu: "Yeah, that's unfair."

Benkei: "Because when you two were cooking, you burned the rice so much that it was stuck to the pot. Do you know how annoying it is to clean?"

Kurama: *picks up the Yoshino's dinner and starts feeding her*

Yoshino: "Ah! Kurama, it's fine. I can eat myself now."

Kurama: *glares* "Don't tell me what to do. Now, open your mouth."

Yoshino: "Aaahh...Mmph...Mm...This is actually yummy."

Benkei: "Isn't it? We all made it together for you."

Yoshino: *angelic smile* "Thank you, everyone."

Yoshino finishes her food.

Kurama: "Here have this orange."

Yoshino: "No, Kurama. I think I'm full----!!"

Everyone: "!?"

Yoshino: "Ah!"

Kurama: "What's wrong!? Is the baby coming out!?"

Yoshino: "It kicked."

Everyone: "!!"

Yoshino: "It kicked! The baby just kicked!!"

Yoichi: "Hahaha...looks like the baby really wants oranges."

Benkei: "Oh my god, is there going to be another Kurama who's only going to eat oranges for the rest of their life?"

Yoshitsune: "I guess so." *smiles*

Sueharu: "I wonder if it's going to be a boy or a girl. I'm curious."

Yoichi: "I bet it's girl. It would be cute to see a junior Yoshino running around here."

Sueharu: "Yep! I can't wait to bring her so many cute dresses to wear."

Benkei: "And cook her so many delicious food."

Yoshitsune: "And play with her."

Yoshino: "Fufu...you all are excited even more now. Kurama what do you think? Is it going to be a boy or a girl?"

Kurama: "Does the gender matter?"

Yoshino: "No...but it wouldn't hurt to take a guess, right?"

Kurama: "............" *closes his eyes*

Everyone else: *waits eagerly*

Yoshino: "Kurama?"

Kurama: "......I think it's a boy."

[shatcey]

Tamamo's route (friends)

I remember that at the end of Yoichi's route Kurama was also a little obsessed with becoming best friends. I wonder… he likes this idea so much or… he's just surprised that humans and ayakashi can be friends…

I can't wait to find out. I hope it will be on his route.

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[reccyls]

I'm liking Kurama's new look better in his sprite than in the previews we got earlier

[apfleur]

Super belated countdown post for JP IkeGen’s 3rd anniversary. XD;;;

[Day 13 to Day 7]

[Day 6 to Day 1] - Post Link

[dear-mrs-otome]

Oh my god this event is custom-designed to crush me isn't it? Two of my favorite routes, and more peeks inside their heads during it???