#if fingolfin is a king of anything he is king of PR just like his mother
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soothingmoonlight · 6 months ago
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#if i have to read one more take about how “paranoid” Fëanor was #about something that actually occured as an important canonical plot point... #plus it's genuinely such an injustice to Fingolfins character to airbrush one of his most consistent traits just out of canon #if you can't admit that Fingolfin was a litttle bit of an opportunistic usurper do you even really like his character? #you'll also note that his “I will release my brother” refers to after Fëanors period of exile is served #(note the future tense in accordance with Mandos 'But after that time (exile) this matter shall be set in peace and held redressed #if others will release thee.’ #he's not saying “I forgive my brother rn don't send him into exile” #but “I'll forgive him once his exile is served”) #plus Finwë explicitly not endorsing him as regent or whatever no Finwë gets straight up usurped as well #as Melkor's “lies” said #(since I've often seen the hc that Finwë gave Fingolfin his blessings to rule in Tirion #as if that wouldn't completely invalidate his leverage on the Valar to rescind Fëanor's exile #and any credibility in showing Fëanor his support by joining him at Formenos) #the succession was in no way shape or form in question or open to debate until the Valar got involved #and even then Finwë made his position - Fëanor as his rightful heir - very clear
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Fëanor and succession
"High princes were Fëanor and Fingolfin, the elder sons of Finwë, honoured by all in Aman; but now they grew proud and jealous each of his rights and his possessions. Then Melkor set new lies abroad in Eldamar, and whispers came to Fëanor that Fingolfin and his sons were plotting to usurp the leadership of Finwë and of the elder line of Fëanor, and to supplant them by the leave of the Valar; for the Valar were ill-pleased that the Silmarils lay in Tirion and were not committed to their keeping." - The Silmarillion, Chapter 07: Of the Silmarils and the Unrest of the Noldor
„Though after the rule of the Noldor was committed to him [Fingolfin] by Manwë (in place of his elder brother and father) he took the name of Finwë.“ -Morgoth’s Ring, The Later Quenta Silmarillion (II)
"He [Fëanor] claimed now the kingship of all the Noldor, since Finwë was dead, and he scorned the decrees of the Valar." -The Silmarillion, Chapter 09: Of the Flight of the Noldor
"As he [Fëanor] said with some justice: ‘My brother’s claim rests only upon a decree of the Valar; but of what force is that for those who have rejected them and seek to escape from their prison-land?’" -The Peoples of Middle - Earth, Chapter 11: The Shibboleth of Fëanor
"Therefore even as Mandos foretold the House of Fëanor were called the Dispossessed, because the overlordship passed from it, the elder, to the house of Fingolfin, both in Elendë and in Beleriand, and because also of the loss of the Silmarils." -The Silmarillion, Chapter 13: Of the Return of the Noldor
"With him into banishment went his seven sons, and northward in Valinor they made a strong place and treasury in the hills; and there at Formenos a multitude of gems were laid in hoard, and weapons also, and the Silmarils were shut in a chamber of iron. Thither also came Finwë the King, because of the love that he bore to Fëanor; and Fingolfin ruled the Noldor in Tirion. Thus the lies of Melkor were made true in seeming, though Fëanor by his own deeds had brought this thing to pass; and the bitterness that Melkor had sown endured, and lived still long afterwards between the sons of Fingolfin and Fëanor." -The Silmarillion, Chapter 07: Of the Silmarils and the Unrest of the Noldor
"One thing only marred the design of Manwë. Fëanor came indeed, for him alone Manwë had commanded to come; but Finwë came not, nor any others of the Noldor of Formenos. For said Finwë: ‘While the ban lasts upon Fëanor my son, that he may not go to Tirion, I hold myself unkinged, and I will not meet my people.’" -The Silmarillion, Chapter 08: Of the Darkening of Valinor
"Fingolfin had prefixed the name Finwë to Ñolofinwë before the Exiles reached Middle-earth. This was in pursuance of his claim to be the chieftain of all the Ñoldor after the death of Finwë, and so enraged Fëanor that it was no doubt one of the reasons for his treachery in abandoning Fingolfin and stealing away with all the ships." -The Peoples of Middle - Earth, Chapter 11: The Shibboleth of Fëanor
"So it came about that to Fëanor the rejection of þ became a symbol of the rejection of Míriel, and of himself, as her son, as the chief of the Noldor next to Finwë: […] So Fëanor would call himself 'Son of the þerindë', and when his sons in their chilhood asked why their kin in the house of Finwë used s for þ he answered: 'Take no heed! We speak as is right, and as King Finwë himself did before he was led astray. We are his heirs by right and the elder house. Let them sá – sí, if they can speak no better.'" -The Peoples of Middle – Earth, Chapter 11: The Shibboleth of Fëanor
"To his sons Finwë gave his own name as he had done to Fëanor. This maybe was done to assert their claim to be his legitimate sons, equal in that respect to his eldest child Kurufinwë Fayanáro, but there was no intention of arousing discord among the brothers, since nothing in the judgement of the Valar in any way impaired Fëanor’s position and rights as his eldest son. Nothing indeed was ever done to impair them, except by Fëanor himself; and in spite of all that later happened his eldest son remained nearest to Finwë’s heart." -The Peoples of Middle- Earth, Chapter 11: The Shibboleth of Fëanor
#preach op!!!#finwe#feanor#fingolfin#meta#silm meta#silmarillion#i couldn't agree more with everything you said!!!#i am so freaking tired of people dismissing feanor's legitimate concerns and accusations because in the end HE WAS FUCKING RIGHT#he was right about indis and right about her brat fingolfin whom she accidentally named aracano or “high chieftain”#it's not like she wanted to make a political statement and rub it in feanor's face or anything right?#but you know what - finwe finally opened his eyes in the end and realized what was going on#which is why he left both indis and her brats DESPITE fingolfin being the one “threatened” by feanor with a sword#like finwe is not stupid and he saw fingolfin's ambitions and desire to usurp his brother and get all the political power for himself#fingolfin RUSHED to the court meeting wanting to be there before feanor so he can trash talk his half brother in front of finwe#and also remind finwe that he has two other sons who are so much better and obedient to him than feanor... can you imagine the HUBRIS#unfortunately for golfin he was not as subtle as he might have thought and finwe saw through him right away#which is WHY finwe never took golfin's side - because golfin had alternative motives and provoked feanor then played the victim#which is also why finwe NEVER EVER endorsed fingolfin as king in his place#it was not finwe who put fingolfin on the throne and he never gave his agreement nor support for fingolfin to rule in his place#it was the valar and more specifically manwe who did it because golfin is manwe's most favourite boy#interesting isn't it... the same powers who sent feanor in exile also put feanor's politically ambitious brother on the throne#another coincidence i bet#fingolfin is such a two-faced treacherous power-hungry snake#i just cannot stand him#and everyone is falling for his PR games like total fools#if fingolfin is a king of anything he is king of PR just like his mother#playing the innocent victim with a heart of gold in front of the public and they are always being so nice to you when face to face#but the moment you turn your back on them they stab you in pursuit of their goal
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