#idk i love how this abby/clarke storyline is concluded

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scene that has haunted me for years

[sometimesrosy]

I hope Raven gets a satisfying ending somehow. Although I have no idea what that’d even mean considering idk what they’re doing w/her arc. I have a theory that some of her arc deals w/abandonment & they were trying to go 4 that w/Wick & how there was a “moment” for them in 2x15 when Wick said, “I’m not leaving you.” & Raven said, “please don’t leave”. Then Raven to Sinclair “you’ll always be w/me.” Then B’s “We’re not leaving you behind.” Then Raven having to leave C but not Leaving Madi.

That is a good speculation. Do you think that wick’s exit kind of messed with Raven’s storyline a bit? That’s possible. The substitute of Sinclair in his role in s4 to give her that love and belonging and then the shoehorning of Shaw to give her the romance plot? 

Her storyline leaves me at a loss and I have to say that I am not satisfied with Raven’s character development or storyline. I’m giving them the benefit of the doubt to pull it out in season 7, because they did move her forward with her storyline with Abby, but I’m still waiting for the depth that Raven is capable of. They may have just been waiting to tell her story until season 6, like the way Octavia didn’t get much character development until season 3 and then it was like a crash and burn instead of growth which didn’t develop until later, because they wanted her almost lost. Fair enough. Now I can understand Octavia’s character development so the chidishness of seasons 2-3-4 doesn’t bug me so much. Because it was about her collapse and fall and then her struggle to be redeemed. 

So. What’s the narrative arc for Raven? It kind of got clouded for a couple of seasons. 

Abandonment is a good guess. She’s left without all the people she used to depend upon and now she has to face Clarke? I hope. As a sister, as a leader, as a competitor, as a friend? IDK. She didn’t leave Madi when Clarke asked her to take care fo business. That means something I think. 

Raven could have been the hero of her own story, but she is not the hero of this one, and I think this means that sometimes her story gets short shrift. But maybe I am just not following her story, or I need to see the end of it to understand what it means.

I am SO glad that we get a final season of this show and they get to conclude the story. That’s so much better than getting renewed indefinitely. Especially for a show like this, which is NOT a procedural, but a narrative with a beginning a middle and an end. 

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Not picking sides here. BUT why do you think Echo will still be mad at Clarke? I mean we saw in 5x12 (was it?) that in the end Clarke let Echo go, and told Madi to go with her to "save him" (Bellamy). Wouldn't that automatically conclude their feud? UNLESS the feud reignites due to Bellamy's instant forgiveness to Clarke? ASLO, 5x13 was basically calm before the storm.

That’s a fair question.

I think Echo will still be mad at Clarke for a few reasons.

JR said not all of spacekru would forgive Clarke as easily as Bellamy did. Monty and Harper are removed from the equation because they are gone and they did forgive her. So that leaves Raven, who will have issues with Clarke that need to be and should be addressed, can’t wait. MURPHY, who has shown signs of being on Clarke’s side (they call me a cockroach, looking through her sketch book and a pointed “thank you clarke,” for stopping the missiles. It was pointed at Echo for not believing in Clarke.) Emori… I have no idea how she’ll react. And ECHO. So I looked at Echo’s response to Clarke since she left Bellamy in polis.

So. Echo has blamed Clarke for leaving Bellamy to die. She did not forgive her for that just because Clarke changed her mind. She questioned her caring for Bellamy at all. She mocked her “for her people, oh right *person*” attitude. 

HOWEVER, she did promise to watch over Madi and she absolutely lived up to that promise. But then, Madi is the heda. She is ready to be her protector, no doubt. You saw it all during the war and after. This is not her problem with Clarke. 

She did NOT believe that Clarke would come through when she said she’d stop McCreary and the missiles. She does not KNOW Clarke. She does not believe in her or trust her. MURPHY does. Hence the above comment. 

Clarke and Echo are on the same team now, that’s true. Echo keeps her from going off in search of Abby, which is only commonsense and good tactics. Echo knows how to work with a team. Clarke does not. Maybe she never has, actually. IDK. Certainly not now after 6 years. 

So echo pretty much disappears after that. But that leaves us with some thoughts. And it’s true I wouldn’t have speculated that Echo wouldn’t forgive Clarke except for JR’s comment. So at this point, it’s more looking at Echo’s character and her interactions with Clarke through the lens of what JR said.

So here’s what I noticed.

There are exactly THREE minutes between when Bellamy hates Clarke and when he has forgiven her, outside of the ship. Raven gives us the countdown. And the door closes as the bomb is exploding. Bellamy forgives Clarke for her betrayal in EXACTLY THREE MINUTES.

CANON has Bellamy taking THREE YEARS to forgive Echo. 

I do not think that’s a coincidence. I think that’s a parallel that says something Echo will not like to hear. 

No matter WHAT happens with B/E and Bellarke, whether he stays with Echo, breaks up and is with no one, or breaks up with Echo and then goes with Clarke, it is going to BURN that the man she loves took THREE YEARS to forgive her when it only took him THREE MINUTES to forgive Clarke. 

I believe this will cause resentment. And I think she’ll be stubborn (and loyal) about it and refuse to forgive Clarke for leaving Bellamy to die. She will take it personally. And it will reflect upon her loyalty for her king.  I do think she has some misplaced king-worship going on with Bellamy. She built her life around serving her throne, and Bellamy took over, and he is sympathetic and handsome and it’s peace. 

Also, let’s go back to what JR said Echo’s story would be, about family, loyalty and wondering if her family loved her as much as she loved them.

THIS DID NOT HAPPEN IN SEASON 5. I think it’s going to happen in season 6. I think a lot of the emotional stories from s5 will take at least 2 years. 

So. Let’s think about that Echo story and how it might play out in s6. Her family is no longer just hers. They start accepting CLARKE into the family, Clarke who was the center of everyone’s life, but WAS NOT AROUND. Suddenly, she’s there. The most important thing. Where does that leave Echo. ESPECIALLY when her boyfriend is the FIRST to let Clarke in.

And when she starts witnessing how Bellamy TREATS Clarke, and she realizes for the first time that it’s not platonic or fraternal, because although she saw them before, she didn’t WITNESS the partnership, and she didn’t CARE like that 6 years ago. Watching her boyfriend have NON platonic feelings for his beautiful and important “non-romantic” partner is gonna be HARD. And it’s going to shake her identity to the core. Because, who is she if she doesn’t have her people? It used to be Azgeda, but now it’s spacekru.

So obviously I don’t KNOW what Echo is going to do, but I’m seeing cracks in her confidence.

Especially remembering 5.01 where she flat out SAID that she was worried about what Bellamy and Echo would be to each other when they got to earth and had to face the rest of the people, especially Octavia, who she thought was the most important person to him in the world.

OH. And then with the secret of Bellamy LOVING Clarke and poisoning Octavia ONLY for Clarke, and with Echo’s resentful and not very nice ENEMY KNOWING THIS? There’s another hard truth coming for Echo. Echo has ALREADY said that Bellamy posioned Octavia for “us.” She said “us.” It was NOT for “us.” It was for CLARKE. THAT is gonna hurt. Echo is not as important to Bellamy as she thought she was.

I don’t actually think that Echo will be a villain again, or against Clarke in the end, but I think it’s going to be VERY hard for her to deal with. And she’s never asked for something for herself, has always been the perfect servant. What if she WANTS Bellamy. WANTS to keep spacekru. Wants to fight for them? IT could happen. This will cause problems for her, though, if she sets herself up against Clarke. It might be part of the impetus for some of spacekru actually to start being on Clarke’s side. Which would make Echo feel worse, as it would feel like they are choosing Clarke over her and she is not part of the family.

There are just a lot of storylines with this issue going on. A lot could be done. 

That’s why I think Echo might not forgive Clarke.