#idk how canon that actually is bc again ive only read a few issues of robin93 however. i do think it would add a rlly impactful umph to red
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ENOUGH of tim drake has poor self esteem fic!!! give me tim drake has totally overestimated his own importance fic!!! no more "i cant tell anyone theres something wrong because they wont care" only "i cant tell anyone anythings wrong because batman will start killing people".
its about equally wrong imo in terms of characterization but its way funner and hilarious To Me. and more accurate in terms of he does actually have a very firm understanding that he cannot under any circumstances die or be maimed because batman would NOT react well its just that that moreso shows itself as extreme caution rather than hiding injuries
#my thots#đĽ#disclaimer ive read only Some of robin 93 and most of my tim knowledge comes from yj98 & red robin#second disclaimer that this post is a JOKEEEEE#bc i saw another 'tim learns to love himself' fic and thought. 'what about tim teaches other people to take their health Very Seriously'#idk how canon that actually is bc again ive only read a few issues of robin93 however. i do think it would add a rlly impactful umph to red#robin if he previously was rlly cautious esp about his health and now hes running away to paris robbing museums losing his spleen#& not immediately reporting in about it hell getting kidnapped and not reaching out for help#i just think its a neat added dimension to how objectively Weird he is during rr era#hopefully this makes sense im not into comics again btw im just temporarily caring about them until erha7 comes out. and then ill be#normal again
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more pjo/rqg crossover thoughts
so i canât turn my brain off once itâs started and i realized thinking more about this that rqg has a very good mechanic for true crossovers in that it contains several characters getting yote by a planar shift, which... they could end up anywhere!
(fair warning: i havent read the apollo books, and ive only read the last couple seven-demigods books once, so iâm mostly basing this on the first PJO series bc i remember them)
so: sasha and grizzop emerge in the PJO universe, probably still in neroâs palace, which in our world has sunk into a hillside and from what i can tell is a) partially tourable, b) an active excavation site. and c) partially unsafe, which as far as I can tell translates to it being infested with monsters in the PJO world. plus its in rome so like. very dangerous.Â
this means they get into a fight fairly immediately, at which point a few issues rear their head:
the mist affects sasha. sheâs probably more resistant to it than the average mortal, and can see things when theyre pointed out to her with enough insistence, but it is absolutely interfering with her perceptions.
the (ambient) mist does not affect grizzop. they dont realize this right away, but itâs because he pings it as a monster.Â
sasha isnât quite sure why he starts firing on the lost-looking people wandering around this weird buried palace; grizzop feels like at this point sasha ought to know a zombie when she sees one. she gets with the program when they start attacking and donât go down with a stab to the kidneys, though.
one thing grizzop does realize fairly quickly, to some only marginally well-managed panic: artemis is weird here. probably he thinks at first that this is what azu and ed were talking about: he can feel something when he prays, sheâs not gone and after a hot second of delay she does bless his aim, but he canât channel positive energy to just blast the zombies, and his armor isnât glowing. thereâs something wrong.Â
but they win the fight, barely; sashaâs not in good shape, and grizzop canât heal her, which is becoming a pattern and he doesnât care for this shit at all.Â
they find their way out of the palace, and start to notice that (nearly) all of the people around are humans, but they donât dwell on it, partly because theyre also in the future and partly because no one seems to be remarking at grizzop, which means there must be other goblins around and just not that many here right now. grizzop is especially willing to accept this because he sees a (fairly small) number of monsters around.
theyre much more concerned about the fact that theyre very much not in kansas anymore. theyre looking for a place to buy healing potions, at which point some kind stranger approaches sasha and asks if she wants an ambulance/directions to a hospital. she reluctantly accepts directions; the aphrodite and artemis temple hospitals werenât bad, but this is rome and sheâs concerned. but it also becomes clear that this person thinks that grizzop is her child. theyâre mildly alarmed when he gets upset and cusses them out about this, but... clearly these tourists are going through it. is sasha sure she doesnât want an ambulance? itâs a ways to walk, especially with a toddler to manage... (sheâs sure)
thereâs no magical healing at the hospital; sasha tells grizzop that magic just doesnât seem to work in rome, but he points that the sun works wherever they are, and most of it doesnât seem that monster-infested, so... unclear.
they sneak out of the emergency room before sasha has to give any personal information, and wander around rome for at least a day, trying to figure out whatâs going on. grizzop prays a lot, and he has a dream akin to percyâs more symbological ones: he encounters a beautiful doe that he knows is artemis in an unfamiliar forest, but sheâs standoffish. he asks what heâs done wrong, but she doesnât answer; she leads him to some wild place outside rome-- probably Lake Nemi, close to a temple of Diana-- where Grizzop sees some hunters from a distance, and then the dream ends.
so the next day grizzop drags them out there-- maybe someone points them there, it seems to be a tourist attraction of sorts and i just remembered that grizzop has pretty shit survival skills. and they go off into the woods and get a bit lost, and then theyre found by the hunters.
it turns out artemis has sent thalia a dream to come there, but was... light on information, so the hunters arenât sure what to expect. i think probably sasha and grizzop are arguing when the hunters find them, and they see this situation and think: likely recruit is being harassed by monster, except when they go to âhelp,â sasha takes grizzopâs side.Â
iâm not sure how this would go on, or even when exactly pjo canon it would be set, but it would involve a lot of the hunters (and maybe artemis) wanting to recruit sasha, her being uncomfortable with this, but not wanting to leave grizzop. grizzop, meanwhile, is absolutely fascinated with this group of women who actually get to hunt with the goddess, and have immortality until they find something worth giving their life for, and yet theyâre all suspicious of him-- which heâs used to from humans, but heâs rarely met something he wanted this much and being rejected hurts. artemis herself is probably a bit thrown at being worshipped again, because the hunters and demigods certainly revere her but i feel like it doesnât have the same flavor of faith that grizzop would have?Â
they also want to get back; maybe trying to figure out how to do this takes them to camp half-blood and the oracle, where they meet the core pjo cast? idk if theyâd be able to get back, though, i canât think of a mechanic for it in the pjo universe? much to think about...
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Romance head canon â¤ď¸ in all the fan fiction I read its Valkyrie initiating the relationship/kissđ , her flirting. I read this piece and it was like from ghastly POV and he picked up on the way skul đlook at her. Want some head canons of skulls POV. đ
oho do i have some shit for you
seriously anon i think this might be the longest fucking post ive ever made
the way i read the books, skul starts to realise heâs in the process of falling for val when sheâs 17-18. which is dodgy in some parts of the world, and idk where youâre from anon, but in my country the age of consent is 16 so iâm cool with interpreting it like that
the first instances of like, gentle flirting, from him are in death bringer and kotw.Â
1. âYouâre late.âÂ
âIâm beautiful.â
âYouâre always beautiful.â
âIâm always late, too.â
skulduggery is from the 1600s, and flirting back then was not as obvious as it is today. this is roughly the time where he starts complimenting her regularly on her appearance. âyouâre always beautifulâ is a pretty safe compliment to give any girl, especially a girl like val whoâs fairly vain and aware that sheâs beautiful. i think here heâs kind of. testing the water? like not openly flirting with her, but more seeing whether sheâs receptive to that kind of comment coming from him? whether he should bother to keep them coming? because if sheâd responded here with an immediate awkward or disgust reaction, or if sheâd kind of gone âthatâs a little weird, skulduggeryâ i bet you none of the other semi-flirty stuff in the books wouldâve gone down. he wouldâve backed off, immediately
but she doesnât. she just accepts it - we donât get a physical reaction from her, but he keeps the compliments coming so there was probably some vaguely positive physical cue, i.e. she smiled at him or something, and says, âIâm always late, too.â The âtooâ acknowledging that she knows sheâs always beautiful. Thank you. Which letâs be real, is a response to half-flirty compliments that heâs probably used to from china. Sheâs not told him to fuck off, so thatâs a positive.
And then heâs treated her to a gorgeous dress.Â
2. âThe dress was long and slinky, strapless, silk and chiffon. Her shoes were gorgeousâ
Iâm sorry, but if you see someone as a surrogate child, you donât buy them a sexy dress. You just donât, itâs inappropriate and wrong. And yeah, you might buy a dress like that for your platonic friend if you know thatâs your friendâs style, but val isnât a regular dress-wearer. so chances are, he bought her something heâd like to see her in, and hoped sheâd like it. Itâs not mentioned in the book, but itâs also possible he had to actually buy her underwear at this point. âLong, slinky, straplessâ dresses usually require panties that donât leave underwear lines, and strapless bras. Since val isnât a regular wearer of slinky clothing or dresses, chances are she doesnât actually own any suitable underwear for this dress. So either she went without, which wouldâve been kind of uncomfortable for her during the whole nonsense with melancholia that went down at the requiem ball, or skulduggery bought her underwear to wear with the dress.Â
how does he even know what size she is? either he asked ghastly, or he paid a lot of attention to that naked reflection.Â
âI thought Iâd spoil you,â he says. We know skulduggery spends a lot of money on the important woman in his life. China says he used to bring her priceless books and artifacts which wouldâve cost him an arm and a leg, and itâs probably safe to say he bought her outfits, too, while they were together. He doesnât seem to spend his money on people who donât matter to him (as much). You donât see him splashing out to get tanith a set of protective clothes, and he doesnât so much as take elsie through the burger king drive-thru. Yet, I googled how much it costs to remodel a house and the answers Iâm getting are all in like the ÂŁ40,000 to ÂŁ75,000 bracket, which might be out, but since I know nothing about house renovation, Iâm gonna run with that. So he spent over ÂŁ40,000 on doing up his house so val could essentially live there and spend more time with him. You donât spend that kind of money on someone youâre not planning on having there long-term.Â
He also implies that he wouldâve gone to Ghastly to get valâs requiem ball dress if he hadnât been so busy. ghastlyâs clothes are implied to be expensive. itâs one thing for skul to buy val protective clothes - sheâs his responsibility, and he wants to keep her safe, itâs an understandable expense. but splashing out just to buy her a fuckin expensive dress tailor-made by ghastly just to spoil her? dude got feelings
i mean letâs also take into account that that was what dudes did in ye olde days, right? they were the primary source of income. in 1600-whatever, the girl wouldâve moved in with the guy, put her own touch on the home, and it wouldâve been her husbandâs responsibility to âkeepâ her; to pay for her clothes, her food, her entertainment, etc
Whatâs val done in the past few years?
âMoved intoâ skulâs house - not full-time, but itâs implied she spends a lot of time there, put her own touch on it via having it entirely fucking remodeled to suit her, what with having the bathroom, kitchen and bedroom put in, and spent a whole lot of skulâs money. he spoils her. in exchange, she makes his house into a home - probably just by being there, bc lets face it this is val and sheâs no domestic goddess. but it mimics, i like to think, the way he wouldâve treated his wife. money no object to make her happy
if you look at it like this, heâs basically treating her as though theyâre in a relationship already. i doubt heâs actually taking that seriously and deluding himself that theyâre a thing, but again, heâs testing it out. how does she react to him treating her like this? does she have issues with it? is she comfortable? and sheâs totally chill with it, so another positive
Thereâs also this:
3. âNow she had her own bedroom, there was a bathroom with a huge shower and a kitchen with a fully-stocked fridge.â
So not only did he refurbish for her, but he refurbished with quality. Which, yeah, itâs skulduggery, heâs got expensive tastes, but tbh i think he let her pick out everything. which means she picked all this expensive shit that looks great but cost him a mint and he doesnât care, bc this is how he shows affection
4. âsometimes she wondered how much money sheâd cost him with her insistence on refurbishmentâ
So refurbishing was valâs idea. The fact that she wanted skulâs house changed for her probably came across as like. not flirty, exactly? but to him, sheâs saying that she wants to spend more time here. more time with him. she wants his home to be her home. he probably saw that as encouragement, tbh, he was so happy about it?Â
then in kotw, we have this:
5. âRemember that sorcerer who went missing?â
Valkyrie raised her head off the pillow even as she woke. For a moment she didnât know where she was, then she recognised the house on Cemetery RoadâŚ
âPatrick Xebec,â Skulduggery said, standing in the morning sunlight that streamed in through the window.
heâs. in her room. while sheâs asleep. at this point, they have no boundaries. skulduggery wouldâve been raised that to come into a young ladyâs room while she is abed is just. not done. the only woman it wouldâve been appropriate for him to do that with would be his wife, or a lover - women heâd essentially share a room with anyway (donât quote me on this, but i think a lot of couples in his era had separate bedrooms as standard? and then just slept together when they wanted to? because a lot of marriages were out of convenience and not love?). but im pretty sure thereâs also another scene of him doing it again - coming into her room before sheâs up and waking her up by talking at her - so either heâs just utterly lost his sense of propriety over the years or heâs so comfortable with her and she with him that they no longer have that boundary
6. âShe took a quick shower, dressed, and Skulduggery had a bowl of cereal waiting for her when she emerged.â
so not only is he a-ok with coming into her room while sheâs still in it, theyâve also got into a morning routine with each other. he makes her breakfast. itâs wonderfully domestic, a little gesture of affection in his very understated way. skulduggery is an over-the-top personality who doesnât do emotions very well, and val has no subtlety. heâs treating her like heâd treat his significant other, but because he hasnât actually smacked her in the face with a brick stamped with âI LIKE YOUâ in big letters, sheâs not picking up what heâs throwing out there
itâs also worth mentioning that like. in death bringer and kotw, he starts touching her a lot more. hugging her, or letting her hug him. that scene where he pushes her up against a wall and kinda feels her up to check if she was shot, even though sheâs wearing protective clothes and so he knows none of the bullets wouldâve hurt her. that bit in kotw(?) where she gets stuck in the hole and he has to pull her out. itâs pointed out on the skulduggery forums in the valdug thread that if you pull someone out by their underarms, like he tries to, youâre gonna touch boob. you just are. itâd be shockingly difficult not to. and again, no negative reaction from her, not even an awkward joke
again, for the most part of skulâs life, male-female physical contact was very limited. he didnt touch her very often for the first half of the series, and i think that had a lot to do with the fact that in his mind, it wouldâve been inappropriate. touching is something you do with the girl youâre courting. so like, heâll hug her if she needs to be hugged, or comfort her if she needs it or whatever, but thereâs no casual touching. but in the last four books, he touches her an awful lot. because he is kinda courting her
kotw i think is the point where skul stops dodging around on the edge of flirting, and starts actually flirting. and tries to let her know heâs got feelings for her, because heâs a whole lot less subtle in this book. thereâs this whole exchange:Â
7. âItâs just, if you were feeling somehowâŚunattractiveâŚâ
âSorry?â
âI donât mean unattractive,â he said quickly. âI mean, if you were thinking that maybe youâll always be alone -â
âYou think Iâll always be alone?â
âThatâs not what I meant.â
We know that when skulduggery was alive, he had a stutter. this isnât a stutter, but heâs definitely nervous, and you can tell? i can count the number of times skulduggery was visibly nervous in the books on one hand. heâs a very confident, very self-assured man. but this is the first time heâs kind of made it obvious to val that he likes her. this is him kind of going, iâm an available romantic prospect, valkyrie. but she doesnât let him get it out, she wonât let him finish. he phrases it wrong and loses his chance.
8. âI was only trying to be sensitive.â
sheâs hurt him. she wonât let him talk, wonât let him tell her how he feels. she âdoesnât need him sensitiveâ. sheâs kind of. pretty much completely dismissed that heâs also a person with feelings, and sheâs hurt him.
9. âyou canât run from your feelings!â
âi can walk from them.â
he doesnât deny that there are feelings to walk from. by now heâs picked up that valkyrie is dense as a fucking wall, so the flirting is getting a little bit more obvious. and even though she just hurt him, and heâs now kinda pissed at her as a result, he still acknowledges that he has feelings
and then, in lsodm, we get this absolute fucking gem
10Â âtight trousers donât count.â
heâs given up, everyone. this is outright flirting, it even sounds flirty on the audiobook, he knows heâs not fucking getting anywhere and now heâs just not even bothering to be subtle
and then, going totally outside of canon, i like to think that the Big Reveal is essentially skulduggery says something even more obvious than the tight trousers comment, and val kind of pauses and goes, âare you flirting with me?â and skulduggery is just like
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so i made this post like. yesterday? two?? days ago? i dont actually remember but! i plotted out a ml fanfic while iâve been working on my tabletop moonlighter junk and ive come to a few different conclusions about how Will might be in a few situations (read: the version i made up of him in my head that has literally 0 track to canon bc canon does not describe Will at all [as far as im aware, i havent finished the fifth door stuff / started ng+ yet + the wiki is abysmally empty and also not updated to the latest patch. im also not sure if any ml fanfic already exists??? but i also havent looked BUT ANYWAY])Â
like. idk to me the Ideal Hero-Merchant Will of Rynoka⢠falls into that like. ârough around the edges but still goodâ dumb jock category. like. hes probably like, nice within reason, maybe far too casual with everyone. playfully rude to friends who are equally playfully rude back. has a general idea of when itâs a good time to stop / be more formal / handle An Issue but also like. generally misses stuff when it comes to socializing? maybe has a tendency to be a little too into the âlightly roasting people to show appreciationâ gig?
on top of that, i feel like he can be p easily assigned traits like âone track mindedâ / overconfident just bc like. thatâs what we can see through gameplay and everything, like, thats just How Things Are. like yeah he has to run the shop and everything but thatâs just a side quest on his way to doing more dumb things and pushing himself too hard >:c
so if you combine a jock that has like, maybe five braincells total, four of which are focused entirely on slicing through rocky monsters with a comically large sword, that one last cell clinging to not being a gross goblin who lives in the dungeons and only comes out to restock potions, you get like. a small mess of a human who is trying far too hard. like. youâre already like, mayor of rynoka through sheer capitalism power my dude please take a nap itâs been three weeks,Â
(side note: does anyone in rynoka like. sleep? if the entirety of your night is spent in dungeons, and the vast majority of your day is trying to run a shop to fuel your addiction to, again, crawling dungeons, like. when do you sleep? bathe? eat?? socialize??? do anything?? like. not even zenon like... vanishes at any point. hes either awake chillin by a fire or wandering around town. )Â
and on a more fanfic-y/shippy note i think heâd be like. the absolute furthest thing from affectionate at all. like. a datemate is just a bro who also happens to like. live in his house sometimes and hold hands with him. like ykno that tweet thats like âi have a whole baby with someone but we dont have an anniversary / never formally started datingâ? thats like. the whole thing here. thatâs how iâd imagine thatâd go down w this dude. not even due to like being emotionally distant or not invested in the relationship or anything itâs just the General Vibeâ˘. like you live together and have like A Thing and one of you stops saying âno homoâ and its just like âwell i guess this is real now ¯\_(ă)_/ÂŻ â
also he radiates the vibes of someone whoâd like. finger guns on reflex to pretty much any situation gone loosely awry. i am not sure how that came about, or why i associate that with him, but i reflexively finger gun all the time so he does that also. Â
all of this kinda rolls back around to the like. two ways to draw him post i made a little while ago, in which his two modes are Total Hoarder Goblin⢠and sweet white haired anime boyâ˘. i think thatâd be a p solid thing to reflect in any like, idealized version of him lolÂ
like at the end of the day itâs pretty much just like. making an oc that just so happens to inhabit an existing characterâs body, but also he like.... doesnât have a personality outside from Player Vessel⢠and i will noT STAND FOR IT heâs MY BOY
EDIT // he doesnât really have like. an age anywhere that i know of but i think heâs like. 19-25ish. heâs baby
thinkin abt what kind of character Will is considering the only thing we ultimately know about him in canon is that heâs an idiot
#kc chirps#its 330 am and ive been listening to sweet caroline on repeat for the past half an hour while typing this#bonus points if anyone can actually understand what ANY of this says bc i probs wont be able to tomorrow#im just thinkin bout moonmerchant
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