#idk feels like ian and mickey were very much always supposed to be a push and pull kinda couple
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alchely · 8 months ago
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Lip and Mickey had some SERIOUS beef going on in s5, what with Lip probably thinking that Mickey wasn't doing a good enough job for Ian and Mickey affirming his south side identity against Lip going to college.
I wonder how that relationship would have evolved in a parallel universe where Noel stayed.
That brief altercation in s11 did not cut it obviously.
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gallavictorious · 4 years ago
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#I really do wonder about the first one there#b/c to me Ian actually looks a little freaked out#and that could be b/c the conversation they're having and just where their relationship is at that point#it could also be the first time Mickey's been like that with him since he hit him in season 3#and even though they're back on at this point and they were just pushing each other against walls#maybe the pinning on the bed felt a little different#like I just feel like there are some real emotions in that scene (and that whole episode is such a call back to everything they dealt with#since 3x06)#but idk something about Ian's expression there just made me think 'hmm...'#or maybe he's just turned on :) I never said I was particularly good at actually interpreting facial expressions#so I'm sure it could go any which way but yeah that was always something I noticed (by @damngcoffee)
I've often wondered about Ian's facial expression here myself, though I have to admit I've never considered that it migh be tied to any memories of their painful encounter in 3x09. I suppose I've seen it as a for Ian fairly rare moment of complete and vulnerable honesty? There's certainly a lot going on in this scene, and their ”argument” over whether or not Ian should come to the christening is initially light and tinged with sexual tension; physical mock-fighting, the kind they excel at and enjoy. But during the brief course of it I think that Ian is coming to realize that this is a very real and important question to him, and one he's not actually feeling playful about – and so he follows Mickey into the boys' room, demanding to know if they're a couple or not. At this point he's lost the teasing edge; he's asking in all earnestness and he wants a serious answer. Mickey responds by pushing him to the bed, and in that moment I think that Ian honestly doesn't know what Mickey's answer will be, and that this uncertainty mingled with longing might account for that look on his face. It's a rare stripping away of any and all of his defences, an admission of vulnerability, and Mickey probably recognizes it as such, which prompts him to offer a sincere ”of course we are” rather than something teasing or glib.
That said, I think you might well be onto something more here! As you mention, they're back on at this point, and they seem generally perfectly fine togheter (apart from Ian getting fed up with being a mistress). They also seemed very much at ease with one another when they hooked up in 3x11, and back then the wounds were still fresh and reasonably more painful than they are now. At the same time, this might – as you point out – well be the first time Mickey's handled Ian at all roughly since then; getting pinned to the wall does potentially have a rather different energy than being held down. Furthermore, and likely more importantly, this happens right after Ian asks Mickey to admit something about their relationship and connection, which is exactly what happened before Mickey kicked his ass in 3x09. So while I don't think that Ian fears Mickey, there might still be something of that lingering, the memory briefly stirred by the similiarities of the situations. I could absolulely see that!
In the end, no need to pick one interpretation over the other. They work perfectly well together, I think, and this just adds yet another layer to this absolute gem of a scene. I love it; thank you for sharing your thought! <3
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ian & mickey pinning each other down ↳ requested by anonymous
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its-a-queer-thing · 7 years ago
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I loved Gallavich. In fact, I just recently rewatched their entire story and it's still as compelling. However, I love Ian and Trevor. I think they'll be really great together. I get how important ships are to people. I, myself, have had ships that I hoped would be endgame, but 2 things here: Noel has left the show with no plans current plans to return. It seems to me that the show closed that chapter and even Ian seemed ready to move on. That also happens in life. You think someone is it, but >
they end up not being. Time goes on, and you will probably always have a place in your heart for them, maybe even still love them, but you know the relationship ran it's course. I, personally, would be very satisfied if that was the resolution, and the show ended with Ian and Trevor together. I doubt it will because I know so many fans want at least a hint of Gallavich endgame. That's just why I support Ian and Trevor. Idk if this is the kind of response you were looking for, but that's my take.
I was hoping for more specific examples maybe about Trevor (or Trevor and Ian) but that’s okay! :) I keep seeing vague assertions about them and it doesn’t really help me see why people support Trevor or the ship. It’s too easy for me to quickly argue against, as I’m probably about to do....
Are Ian and Trevor great together? In season 7, I saw a lack of compatibility romantically, but a great foundation for a friendship. I saw Ian being encouraged to change without Trevor offering to change much, taking on more of a guiding role than someone who wishes to grow with someone. Ian and Trevor’s relationship lacks a sense of equality for me because Trevor seems to be so superior (or he seems to believe he is) and Ian just seems desperate to fill a hole that Mickey left. The whole relationship has been forced since the beginning, and in my opinion, the writers are arrogant for pushing Ian and Trevor harder rather than listen to legitimate criticism from the fans. If they wanted to slow things down and work their way to endgame, that’d be one thing. Maybe have them be friends, allow them to each be there for each other and grow together until a romantic connection is established and desired rather than imposed on the characters and fanbase. Then season 8 has honestly just been a mess, but it’s also my opinion that ALL of season 8 has been a mess so that isn’t a particular rag on Ian or Trevor.
As to your two points; yes, Noel is gone, but he has also said numerous times that he would jump at the opportunity to come back and always looks sad when people talk about Mickey, like he feels he lost an awesome opportunity or is disappointed in the overall way things have played out. And people seem to forget that he can’t just waltz back into the studios and start filming, he needs to be hired back and paid what everyone agrees to. Wells severely underpaid him in season 5 and all Noel wanted was a fair pay for a regular spot on the show. When he didn’t get it, or didn’t get enough, he walked, and I can’t blame him for that. I know plenty of people who don’t get a raise they want in any kind of job and immediately start job hunting for someone who will pay them better. And now Noel is doing really well but still says that if they want him back, he’ll jump on the chance, and I’m sure he will! As a guest star it seems they have an agreed upon per-episode price but it’s the regular spot they are having trouble with. That being said I find it completely plausible that they could bring Noel back for the last three or so episodes of the series to establish a Gallavich endgame, and I pray for it. And to your second point, yeah it is normal for some couples to fall apart, but here’s the thing: they weren’t supposed to. There is no doubt in my mind that Gallavich was planned to be endgame and they were going to milk Gallavich for all they were worth until the contract disagreement happened. So the way they broke Gallavich up is bullshit and random. I’m personally not satisfied with the Mexico ending because the whole prison break out storyline is bullshit. They should have either brought him back full time or not at all. The relationship did not run its course in the slightest and we see that because they were setting Gallavich up for a beautiful endgame and even with the border scene we see that their relationship is not truly over for either of them. Then the writers give half-assed attempts to destroy Gallavich and Trevor is unfortunately the cheap imitation and replacement. They can’t even give Ian and Trevor their own original moments together. Pretty much all of their positive moments together are borrowed Gallavich moments and that’s a huge insult to Trevor’s character and the Gallavich fandom.
Anyway, I didn’t mean to go off like that xD Sorry! Thank you for sending me your view and if you would like to counter-argue anything I’ve said, please feel free to respond!
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