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[dotthings]

I'm just going to call a spade a spade. The obnoxious Jensen stan twitter queens who are toxic and over parasocializing and overbearing simply don't care. They don't care how they look. They don't care how many Jensen fans they alienate--real, actual, long term Jensen fans.

Jensen stan twitter's joy policing, harassment, dogpiling, negative projections onto Jensen, misinformation, hatred, ship shaming, or spiraling and attacking people over perceived slights, and in some cases, the way they shame other fans for merely existing while not stanning Jensen in the narrow terms "they" (meaning, the hard core Jensen stan twitter queens) decided was the only way to stan Jensen, plus blatant disregard for basic 101 objective and universal fandom etiquette like: don't steal photo ops, erase the fan from the photo to turn it into a manip (WTF??? Are they this parasocially desperate?? Do they understand Jensen and Danneel are ACTUALLY MARRIED??), then show hostility and absolute disrespect about the rights of the owner of the op.

(And they have the unmitigated gall to ship shame?? To try to paint destiel shippers as The Problem??? Are you effing kidding me??? It's not easy to face you've become what you supposedly can't tolerate and they'll likely never get there.)

And facts are facts are facts. They will have to cope. I don't gaf how angry they are. Let them rage. They can't undo facts.

Many people love Misha and ship Destiel and that includes many Jensen fans. Nor are the Jensen stan twitter queens the entire universe of Jensen fandom. Period. No, stfu. There is no argument here. I'm giving facts.

You are not less of a Jensen fan because you love Misha and Cas and ship Destiel. Period. Inarguable. No I don't gaf about any counter arguments. No, stfu. This is not arguable. Get lost.

Jensen is very very fond of Misha and they are close friends. Period. No. Stfu. No arguments. Accept reality or get out.

They're mad that any Jensen fans look up to Danneel. They're mad that JenMish fans--who genuinely like both Jensen and Misha and respect them BOTH--exist. They're angry people even so much as ship cockles (even when that lane is legit less boundary crossing and less parasocialized toxicity than the stans who keep hating on them). They're angry that Destiel shippers exist. They're angry that anyone still loves Cas. They are extra angry that any Jensen fans also love those things and that they have to share Jensen with us. They're a gatekeeping hyperparasocialized toxic mess.

Well. Same. However much they want to gatekeep the rest of us away from Jensen that's how much I wish they would stay away from Jensen. Quite the impasse, isn't it. The way they ignore or disregard or trample over actual Jensen perspectives for the convenience of their hate projections puts me into a parasocialized defensive mood. Get away from him!!!!!

And I am over the excuses. "But SPN--" "But Cas--" "But Misha stans--" "but hellers--" cool story, and Jensen fans have a right to their own sets of grievances, I have many myself. But it's moot, because it's not an excuse to keep being a-holes.

[thephantomcasebook]

When you dislike Olivia Cooke so much as a person (because she “disrespects” you as a fan), why do you keep talking about her? Sorry, but if she annoys you that much just don’t talk about everything you hate about her.

I really liked your blog but now it’s full of negativity and bad vibes. I’m not trying to be disrespectful towards you. But besides the whole negativity about HdtD actors, i like hearing your opinions etc, and i liked that you were even critical about some stuff. But when it’s only negative things, it’s hard enjoying this blog.

Hmm

Fair and true.

I guess my whole thing is kinda two fold.

It's a frustrating feeling to know - with every fiber of your being - what is about to happen to something you've gotten reattached too whether you like or not and wanted to be or not, and know that you're helpless to stop it cause no one who can understands what's about to happen.

It's almost as if I can see it, as if it's happening right in front of me.

Let me tell you, Nonny, what's about to happen.

Amazon is losing money and prestige on "Rings of Power". They know they've been humiliated by HOTD and their studio head just got a hit piece written about her in "The Hollywood Reporter. Trying to save face, and bloody the competition, they'll payoff "Vanity Fair" and other "Journalists" to smear "House of the Dragon" in order to boost "Rings of Power". These trash Journos will use rage bait to knock out the core fanbase of HOTD and turn the audience against one another.

They'll use Olivia Cooke and Emma D'Arcy's activism as a catalyst to do so, knowing that both are too stupid to understand what they'll touch off. When they do press for Season 2, a Journo will ask about Feminism and Patriarchy, and how it relates to today and even fan responses. Cooke and D'Arcy will be lulled by their indifference to the fanbase and show and be hyped up for a chance to virtue signal and will insult and belittle men and fans by claiming fake victimhood in ordinance with their bimbo feminism.

The fans will retaliate ten fold, going hard at the actress on Twitter and Youtube - Conservative and Independent media on social media will excoriate them and it will be a huge Culture War story. Cooke and D'Arcy will double down and lash out. Then, the media that started the whole thing will release dozens of articles saying that HOTD fans are misogynists and Transphobes.

That's when fans will organize and boycott, while Twitter bots and stans defending Cooke and D'Arcy will create a toxic environment that drives normal people away from the show. Youtube heats up with negative videos and take downs of Cooke and D'Arcy that creates animus till a majority of people - former viewers - will actively root for the show to fail. And when the entire show's reputation is in shambles and the fandom tears itself apart. That's when Warner comes in and cancels HOTD.

And why?

Cause the two people who should care the most are too dumb and self-absorbed to see that they're about to be the Typhoid Marys' that will be used to destroy the show and the fandom.

There's something haunting, futile about it, stony in quality - as if it's already happened and we're just waiting for the Stone Burner to go off.

I just find it harder and harder to stay positive about something that I really did enjoy that is built with cracking and crumbling foundations. I've seen Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, and DC Comics - things I loved deeply - ruined by the same type of people that are now in key places of HOTD and I was already burned badly by the way that "Game of Thrones" ended. Believe it or not, I was once on several "Game of Thrones" podcasts and a regular - and sometimes major contributor - to fan media at GOT's height. And I brought that same enthusiasm to HOTD when it was getting good around 1x03.

But lately, I'm seeing a coming repeat of Season 8 of "Game of Thrones" but worst - much worst. Cause at least the actors of "Game of Thrones" actually cared about the fanbase, and cared about the characters they played. I just don't see it that way with this cast. I don't think you'd see Coster-Waldu, Gwendeline Christie, Kit Harrington, or even Emilia Clarke, disparage their character or the fans. They had a passion for the show and their work. Most of these new actors just see HOTD as a stepping stone to something else or an excuse to go drunk-fooling with other cast members.

They're certainly a far cry from the professionalism, class, and charm of the Downton Abbey cast - who I could watch all day.

But, I think you're right Nonny. I've let my growing bitterness of what will most likely be inevitable cloud my ability to see that I've let off a bit of too much steam lately. And while being a cynical person and extremely hardboiled about people and life in general, I should probably reel it back in ... or at least as much as I'm capable of in my old age of 33 years - which is ancient on this site.

Though, to be fair, I have 84 Asks piled up since my birthday in late-December and a lot of them are either hate toward me personally or people as cynical as I am about the show. So, it's not like I'm exactly fielding any positive energy out here.

I'll do my best to reign it in, but I also have asks to answer and I'm gonna be honest as I can be. No bullshit, not ever. So, if people ask, I'm gonna tell them how I feel.

You can either live with that ... or you can't.

[reflections-in-a-critical-eye]

Hi, BMT!

Omg, Hybe fans/BTS fans (idk what to call them because I don’t understand why they’re riding so hard for a company and BTS isn’t involved at all…?) are really showing their asses with this whole Hybe v. Kakao v. SM situation, it’s almost embarrassing 😭 There are people complaining that the acquisition proposals/attempts/whatever are being called a hostile takeover because it’s “too judgmental” of a term 🥴 I guess when a large portion of the Twitter fan base is made up of either immature children or simply ignorant adults, though, it can’t be helped.

P.s. after SM’s latest video drop, I’ve been dying to hear your thoughts 😭💀

That's literally how the strategy is called. A hostile takeover. It's a real term. "Too judgmental", omfg. Kids should not get themselves involved or talk about adult business. And if adults don't understand it, that's fine. They can learn or stay on the side. I barely get half of it, but I'm not going to pretend that I'm some expert just because I watch Succession and I read the business section in the news.

The release of the youtube videos, the press responses from all sides, it's all part of the media play and negotiations that are taking place. Fans taking sides doesn't make sense. They are defending greedy men, be it SM, Kakao or Hybe. Decisions like this one are taking place all the time in various sectors. Gaining more, expanding a portfolio, dominating markets, that's how the business is done. And yes, it happens at the expense of workers, artists and the people at the bottom of the pyramid. Look at how LVMH was created and you'll understand better what happens now. And I think we'll understand the actual consequences on short and long term once some time passes and more information comes to surface.

And as a piece of advice, I'd say for anyone actually interested in this mess, stay away from any type of hybe or sm group fans because they are promoting their own agenda, even if they sound objective. Look up the information and not some threads on how Hybe is the white knight saving the kpop industry from Kakao or how alternatively Hybe is the ultimate evil while ignoring the Kakao involvement. Taking sides in some business war on part of company stans is not worth it.

[anewbeginningagain]

Skate Canada's pushing of Piper and Paul was penny smart and dollar stupid. At least I think they woke up towards the end of the season and we'll see more investment in Marjo and Zak moving forward.

I think C/B will def retire, P2 could go either way (they will if they're smart, their criminal overscoring gave them the wrong impression and Canada needs a young team to be able to move up), FB/S will stay if they're able, and I'm pretty sure the Italians will continue. The only thing that could throw a wrench into things is if Russia is allowed back in - they'll be aggressive and they'll push for a podium finish to secure spots (otherwise why would they be making StepBuk contintue?). So the only medal I can see F/G potentially squeezing out is a bronze this upcoming season. If the situation continues like this, I can easily see P/C try to come back because these teams are truly holding the door open for them.

As for the Finnish team, we have to look at it from the perspective of how Finland has stepped in to host events and these medals have sort of been their repayment for it. The best thing about it is that Pirihara get to go to Europeans and Worlds next year. We also have to look at how the different feds are trying to court Italy because it's hosting the upcoming Olympics. The Finns are with an Italian coach, a lot of teams/skaters are training in Italy, so on and so forth. What's interesting is that it looks like the Russians are trying to adopt the Montreal model and moving all the teams to Zhulin to concentrate power (I'm 98% certain that's where Khuda/Bazin are going). There are too many unknowns atm to say anything for sure, but in terms of who will cement themselves within the next 2 years as the team to beat, my money is on LaLa - they have the talent and the tenure.

Yoooo I was right! Khuda/Bazin to Zhulin! Lmfaoooo if he can't get skaters from multiple other countries to come train there, his dream of being Russia's response to Marie-France is dead. I thought he was considering retirement after he got pummeled in the team event? I wish he'd just go tf away already.

As mentioned, I fully tend to believe all top 3 are sticking around. Though I will stan both Madi and Piper if they opened those 80s spotify playlists just to fuck with fs twitter, that will be hilarious tbh.

Not doubt Finland stepped up in a big way, and I also do think T/V are a good team, but their scores and especially the GOE does not match what is being shown of the ice and that's my main criticism. Like they have great lifts but was their combo lift the best of the season? Hell no, their twizzles are often horrible, some of their moves are basic, and the themes they use are repetitive. That should be reflected in the scores.

Also agree about the Russians, I legit fear their return, men is tolerable but the rest of the disciplines are legit suffering tremendously from their presence as much as it's unfortunate to admit as I don't like generalizing about skaters from the same federation this way. But no way in hell should they return, not while they are still state-funded and institutionally doped.

The russian federation is 100% trying to make Zhulin as a copy of I.AM, it's basically I.AM if they were racist, abusive, and sucked at choreography and packaging. They are now sending most teams to him and I won't be surprised if Krylova's team will be convinced to move to him as well. And once he will have top 5 Russian teams and Russian is allowed back in, they will push for teams from Italy, Georgia, Spain, and so on to go to him as well until he will become a dance hub like I.AM is and increase his political force. And this might be the worst development of them all (maybe tied with having Eteri and her minions ruin women skating again, and having Russian pairs doing shitty programs with sbs 3Lz and quad throws and winning stuff). Sigh this is depressing.

[shinydixon]

saw that you were wondering about the 'via association' comment one of your anons made in regards to how adam treated his wife and the difference between how joseph answered that question. so joe said that some nasty people took rumors and misinformation and ran with it and grace got hate for it via association, meaning she got dragged just for being his friend. the association part is important because vqs were expecting this entire speech for months, they kept wishing someone asked him about the hatred she was getting because they wanted joe to expose how much she meant to him in front of all those quinnies and steddies. they'd make threads upon threads about how amazing it would be to see joe defend 'his girl' in front of everyone. and then when it finally happened, his response boiled down to 'people started rumors, she got hate for knowing me and it sucks that it happens.' and having personally witnessed the threads in which the vqs expressed how mind blowing it would be to have joe just protect the love of his life from all this hatred, it's been pretty funny watching them trying to ignore the fact joe called THEM out and trying really hard to twist that 'yeah, it sucks' into something bigger and romantic lmao oh and about adam driver not using the association thing. i think that anon was pointing out the difference between a committed man standing up for his partner vs a friend standing up for another friend. i know we're all upset but i honestly have been preparing myself for this situation for a while. after german con, tokyo con and the paris con, grace hit a very low point and she was obviously making it known on the net in some or another. her lovely stans then also started calling joseph a pig for not even standing up for her and i remember them really losing it on his twitter. there was just a lot of hate targeted on him for not wanting to talk about something private involving his friend. grace stans were also extremely upset with joe having no problem posing with jamie or being very close to him. then at nola they kept trying to force that hellcheer pose and i remember that was on a staurday. people were saying grace was upset and then on sunday, they said she seemed even worse and that's when joe stepped in and went out of his way to hype her up and hype her character up too. since then i've just prepared myself for the vqs forcing interaction and forcing responses to fit their narrative. i thought we would be ok this weekend because it'd be just joseph but i forgot how many gvd stans decided to make it their mission to ruin shit for everyone else. anyway, i'm following this one twitter that always posts a summarized version of joe's panels and i'm relying on some sweet mutuals to post joe pics from cons. i'm staying the hell away from con news and joe twitter during the cons he's got in june. i'm hoping this insanity will die down once he's in some other projects and she's ding her thing streaming and whatnot, but i'm preserving my energy until then.

Thank you nonnie for explaining 🤍

I follow a twitter that do summarize of panel as well and i know some people who will go to fanexpo so I'll rely on them and on you guys👀 i don't go on twitter anymore

[snapbackslide]

i wasn't gonna do a commentary on this one bc 1. it's spittin chiclets & 2. i forgot i even used to do these 😭 but i'm creating a new layout and i put the interview on while i worked, then interesting things started being said... so... commentary szn is back baby

(warning: it is very long, because.. well. it's matt.)

1h 30 into the video......... for reference................

first of all i didn't even know this interview was being made at all, i literally just stumbled on it tonight. AND i was not prepared to open old wounds. that day, that lunch hour, my break was almost over but i extended it by 30 minutes so i could cry in my car. i couldn't believe it. now i laugh about it.

man, i was going to be so dedicated to nashville. i knew he wanted to stay there for life and i was gonna make my peace with never seeing him in a habs jersey, if it meant he got to win a cup in a city he loves, that loves him back.

"i got paid to go away", "it killed me", "i called them and begged them not to do it, literally in tears", "i read it on twitter before i got the call" ah, man. how wonderful. how. wonderful.

and that's two teams he was in love with that treated his exit like crap! and this time he really didn't want to leave. to think at the time i believed that old ass gm was the worst thing about the management.

but if there's any silver lining to all this is that he doesn't seem too bothered about the colorado situation, and he's still friends with landy. that's... that's something that little old me, at like 18 years old wasn't doing too well with :') my my how times have changed.

"i'm an absolute mess, i've cried more than i have in my whole life, i'm not a crier", "the owner called me and i just started crying on the phone with him", "my son heard me say out loud i'm not a predator anymore, and he started crying, so then i started crying"...

can we. can i. can i not have to hear this from another fave again. like. seriously, is it possible for my faves to just. be happy. be cherished where they are. not have to cry over their careers and circumstances. is that possible? wtf.

that hurts me deeply. and i can't believe it's happened to both my top two.

side note: i wish he'd say what the other teams were but i know he wouldn't 😭😭 i just wanna know if the habs called... i don't think they did... i know berg wanted him, but hugo... if they got rid of toffoli cause of age and speed or whatever 🙄 yea they probs didn't even try. and if it wasn't the habs then i don't wanna know who called at all actually 😂 it would probably feel awful tbh. imagining him elsewhere, again. i'm so glad he picked dallas. and i hope i never have to see him in another jersey again, UNLESS IT'S MONTREAL. okay. side note over.

1h 40 .. ha ha .... "no it was not them" about minnesota 😂 and for that, we STAN. thank you. bc if it was.............. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

so this was mostly about nashville and the buyout, seemingly. and again, as a 17 year old getting into this sport, it's crazy to me to witness all this. i'm very sentimental and nostalgic. i struggle with letting go and the passage of time. to think back to my old self, at school, in my old bed at my old place, listening to songs i don't listen to anymore, the night he got traded from colorado, to imagine all this happening now...

the reason i latched onto him so hard at 18 (after going through a period of not being able to stand him... lol talk about enemies to lovers) is both the fact that i see myself in him so much, AND that he reminds me that men like him exist. he's also sentimental, he's also christian, the way he feels about music, it's so similar to me. it's so comforting.

he said he still isn't over it and i get that. and i also get people thinking it's weird that he compared it to grief, but if that's the way he sees it then i don't think we should judge. especially since he consulted with a therapist, and defining it that way is what helped him understand it and navigate it. and i love him for being so vulnerable. i love him so so much.

i'm always gonna be on his side. and there's a part of me now at 26 years old that is so sad and worried because i don't know how much longer i'm going to be able to watch him play hockey. and i don't know if my dream of seeing him as a hab will ever happen. we got so damn close. and i can't believe soon enough i'm going to watch all of my faves retire.

and that's why i'm latching onto the younger guys on our team, i guess. looking towards the future helps. it's a lesson i'm taking with me in my life as well. i felt so old at 25. then i turned 26 and realized just how young i still am.

and i'm kinda getting off track now but with the new year starting, and with matt talking about how he's really cherishing every single day now, that's how i wanna live my next year. every day is a blessing from God. i'm genuinely so happy. i'm so excited.

every new interview of him is legit like candy for me. and i can't wait to watch him win a stanley cup.

[littledancingphoenix]

i just went to my best friend's wedding (we've been friends since childhood, and we are both fans of tekken). we are both mexican Latino women and we had a great time. then i went to bed, and i had a nightmare. it was a new dlc story for tekken 8 after the shitty one where heihachi comes back from the dead gundam seed style. jin and xiaoyu are getting married, then miguel shows up out of nowhere and he is about to shoot jin kazama to kill him like he promised in tekken 7. but just as miguel was going to kill jin, xiaoyu jumps right in front of jin and she gets shot 3 times (just like how Rikiya from Yakuza 3 died saving Kazuma Kiryu from that one stupid looking bastard). xiaoyu dies from blood loss, meanwhile miguel starts to act ooc and becomes a villain screaming "you killed her, jin. it's your fault you met her, you should have never met her." then other stuff like miharu blaming jin for her dying and jin not even being allowed to attend ling's funeral because ling's parents also blame jin for losing their daughter. i woke up early at 4 am in the morning not only because of that nightmare, but also i needed to pee badly anyways. i also remember when i told someone at a convention that i like jin and he's probably my favorite male character in the roster, then the white girl sakura haruno cosplayer said basically, "are you insane?! jin is racist towards spanish people he should be cancelled on twitter and sasuke stans shouldn't compare him to a man who is racist to spanish people, how could you like him if you're a latino woman. you should be disowned by other latino women." like now i shouldn't like jin because i'm a latino mexican woman?!

a week or two later, my best friend noticed i was a little stressed while we were eating lunch at Lupe's. I finally told her about my nightmare. She said "it's okay, look even if she dies she'll probably be back to life in tekken 9 anyways. also don't listen to twitter idiots. you can still like jin, also i don't like miguel he's basically eddy 2.0". (my best friend does not like miguel, she finds him annoying to fight and she thinks he is eddy 2.0. i'm ok with him tho.). i get so worried about xiao (who is my secondary main, lili is my main btw) and also sick of the tekken fandom being hella stupid.

i hope you have a good day.

HOLY SHIT I HAD TO READ THIS A FEW TIMES CAUSE DAMN!! Naruto people really don't have a damn clue about what a complex character Jin is, and I don't expect them to. They refuse to see past the surface level of the shitty writing they've done for him.

That's a crazy nightmare, and honestly, it does make me worry how Harada plans to make Jin suffer next.

And honestly, yes. The Tekken fandom as a whole sucks out loud. Most especially on twitter and reddit, which is why I stay FAR away. It is shitty here, too, sometimes, but I steer clear and avoid it like this plague.

Whatever happens, though, I take comfort in the fact that my Jin and I are in our own little paradise~ And the games are set in some trashy parallel universe. XD

I appreciate you reaching out and sharing all of this with me. You are always welcome here! 🧡

[maganne-bonete]

Life and interest update ramble that no one asked for: General

And I'll probably make more for a while on a variety of topics

So I've been having, not necessarily stressful, but stress induced couple of days. It's hard for me to pinpoint but I think it's me getting overwhelmed with things. Partly my fault because of dumb decisions I've made for the past couple of weeks, and it's called going through the Youtube comment section.

But that's not necessarily the worst thing. It's more of, me deciding to air out opinions abt online celebrities in twitter dot com more than anything 'cause stans are some of the weirdest people on earth and one of them tried using my age as a gatcha for telling them off for being parasocial about a bunch of people's relationship. But anw, that doesn't really bother me anymore 'cause the twitter side of that fanbase just proved themselves to be the worse kind of fans for literally trying to emotionally manipulate their CC.

BUT, other than that, I guess it's also the reminder that I'm running out of time.

Earlier this year I wanted to get myself "prepared" for coming back to school. I took another leave to take care of my sister this time. Around last year's April she almost died after a fatal allergic reaction to an antibiotic. It left her severely disabled so I had to help her out.

In effort of trying to "prepare" myself I tried doing "productive" things like drawing, gardening, language learning, or generally cleaning up more. Which honestly, not that bad. I always considered gardening as one of my healthy hobbies. Doing more art is important for my field in the future. Generally doing other chores like putting my clothes away and cleaning up make-up brushes will be beneficial for me in the long run. I tried relearning french although it was very little like idk colors and numbers and such, but it's honestly barely anything.

But by the time it hit April I just got burned out ? And I thought, okay I'll be more productive by May. But would you look at that? It's already the end of May. And I haven't picked up a stylus, pencil, gardening sheers, or even downloaded duolingo. (Although I also have theories regarding this part of the year 'cause my mood tend to start shifting around this period)

But other than those things, I also tried writing again around those months 'cause writing has been such a struggle for me for the past few years for some reason. Like I use to write a lot but it just got difficult for me. And I NEED to get good at writing in general, fiction or non-fic, because I'll need it for college. But hey, last night I was able to write 600+ in one session over a fictional piece and I consider that a win.

Another thing that should've been something considered productive that I've been putting off was signing myself up for a comprehensive psychological evaluation. It was something I should've considered earlier in the year but the idea of leaving the house to go to Manila was always troubling for me at that time. For the past year I could barely leave the house so I could look after my sister. It wasn't really that bad. I'm fine with staying around the proximity of our house. But this year she has improved a lot and could even go to the bathroom by herself. But even then, I kept holding it off and now June's coming around the corner.

I think it's partly because I have this mindset of "I'm better compared to last year since I don't want to die anymore" but even then I still have OCD symptoms. I also still have really bad anxiety from time to time and I tend to get paranoid too. All of this is bad and are still problems that do bother me every other day. And honestly, out of everything "productive" I need to do before the semester starts, this should have been at the top of the list.

So I should probably get to it within the weekend, at least. And not get distracted with other things. I really really need to do that.

[fiftytwoeightythree]

i've seen stans getting angry at little women, how do il and in joo should've had at least a kiss and then seen stans saying how wi hajoon is a bad actor and how kim go eun's weakest performance was in this drama under the same breath.

i've seen a twitter post w the question 'what's the worst kdrama you know' getting qrt'd with dramas that are mostly popular in korea and has one of the best performances plot-wise and acting-wise ever.

i've seen stans watching bad and crazy only to ask in the end "why k had to go he should've stayed with suyeol :(" while the whole drama was about letting k go - because he was a part of suyeol's mental illness and childhood trauma.

i've seen hundreds of stans drool over gong yoo, but they haven't even watched anything other than squid game or train to busan while his career literally has a span of 20 years. all while crying that it's a classist sentiment of old kdrama fans when they say people should also watch classics to broad their view of how well-known and renowned actors and actresses got to where they are today.

i've seen people calling oh my venus, a drama about irrational beauty standards and a healthy weight-loss journey fatphobic just because shin min ah had to put up a fat-prop instead of being required to gain weight and losing it quickly after, to not fit the tag (and i'm saying this as a fat person who watched this drama while i saw only slimfits cry 'fatphobia' over this, mind you).

i've seen people getting angry about king the land because it's a ligh-hearted romcom, too cheasy and childish beyond reality while the same people cried how they have to turn to cdramas to watch a light-hearted show to ease their anxiety over real-world problems because kdramas are 'too dark'. and this genre has the most "x and y cannot act and are overall boring and clichéd" type of comments.

i've seen TONS OF PEOPLE shipping kim je ha with madame choi from the k2, altough the very same madame choi wanted to kill je ha and it was clear as day that he had no interest in that wretched woman because anna was his type - yet people claimed they had the best chemistry and anna was too childish for je ha. the same anna that was imprisoned in a christan monastery in spain, away from everything, all her life after witnessing her mother's death.

and the same anna that got portrayed by yoona, and stans still attack her for it, so the woman has to keep proving after 7 freaking years she had improved her acting and got better roles than this only for the so-called stans to overlook any other of her works - along with park min young that only gets attacked for it because you can mainly see her in romcoms.

and i also saw people claiming my liberation notes was only getting popular because an actor from it got viral on the internet. not because of the wonderful plot nor because of the actors' outstanding performances.

tl,dr: a little more context on how i feel when i see people open their mouth a little too soon and totally unnecessary especially when they're clearly media-illiterate and are full of hate towards certain dramas and actors.

i'm serious when i'm asking: if all you do, as a foreigner watcher of kdramas, is trashing plots and write messy think-pieces on twitter dot com about the actors' and actresses' acting skills all the damn time, then why do you keep watching kdramas at all? you know it's not obligatory, right? you don't have to watch anything other than squid game or parasite just like everyone else did, you're allowed to say 'i don't like this' and walk away peacefully from the scene and not engage with kdramas further because you're obsessed with hate-watching.

kdramas and kmovies are not for everyone, at least you shouldn't spread lies because you have 2 shows and 1 actor you liked and a 100 else you hated. if you can't take kdramas and kmovies the way the writers, producers, directors AND ACTORS presented it to you then crawl back to your lil world and watch shows from your country. simple as that ❤️

[aplateoflasagna]

When I heard Mashidam went on hiatus all those months ago, I was devastated. I cried writing a tumblr post about what I was feeling at that moment. Seeing the news now about Mashidam leaving Treasure made me feel empty. it's wierd. Maybe it's because I was at my job and I coudn't really express how I felt and now that we're already 10 hours later and I've had to chance to think about it, rationalise it, and finally come to terms with it.

This is a much better reaction than I thought I would have btw. Like yeah, it hurts, but maybe, somehow, I already expected this news. Eventhough earlier this day, I was still thinking about the possibility of Mashiho and Yedam going on stage at the last day of Treasure's Japan tour and singing a duet together to announce their comeback haha... It feels silly now, but that's how I was coping I guess. I really believed they would come back, but knowing they won't maybe gave me some peace of mind. The uncertanty is gone, the waiting is over and now the healing process can begin.

We'll never know why exactly they left. We can only trust YGE's words that Mashiho decided to leave because of health issues and Yedam left because he wants to produce music instead of perform it. We'll never know what happened, so I'm choosing to believe Yedam and Mashiho shared their doubts with the company during Jikjin era and were put on haitus before they made their decision final. Mashi and Yedam had about 6 months to change their minds and they didn't.

The timing of the announcement is suspect ofcourse but I honestly think YGE made the best decision they could have to let fans get used to the idea of Treasure being a 10 member group. It worked for me. When their hiatus was announced I was so devastated + scared that Treasure wouldn't work as 10. Losing their main vocalist + main dancer/lead vocalist... I didn't think they could do it tbh... But now I've seen them perform their songs as 10 and they do it so well. They've had a successful comeback as OT10, they are still a unified group. And now I realise that's why i'll keep supporting them: They are still a group of people I fell in love with. I want to see them succeed and make more/new memories with them. I'll never forget them as 12 but I want to move forward with Treasure as they are now because I just don't have another choice. Not supporting them just isn't an option for me.

I'll miss Mashiho. I think he was born to be on stage. During Teuday and during Trace, I was in awe. He's so talented and passionate. He has all my respect and it breaks my heart that he has to say goodbye to his dream because of things that are out of his control. But his health should always be the number 1 priority and so I can only wish him the best and hope he's happy in Japan with his family.

I'll miss Yedam. I'll miss his silly personality. The fact that he was still a little kid underneath all those responsibilities. I'm having a hard time accepting the fact that I might never hear Yedam sing again. His voice is truly something meant to be heard. Knowing he'll never be a part of Treasure again hurts, but the possibility of never hearing his voice again hurts even more. I can only hope that Yedam returns to singing someday. Even if it's little snippets on soundcloud, or covers posted anonymously or an album 10, 20 years from now, I'll gladly take it. We'll never know the reason behind Yedams decision but I have always worried about the pressure that has been put on him since he was 11 years old. Hearing him perform his unreleased song during Trace only ampilfied my worry. I could never quite listen to it again, because it sounded to personal

Somebody need help, somebody need love

Just living in endless loop of pressure

Shouting for help, looking for love all along

Yes, he trained the longest, has spent almost 10 years in the industry, but maybe being an Idol is what everyone expected of him, not what he actually wanted for himself. Or maybe being an Idol isn't what he thought it would be. I keep thinking about that one Tmap episode where a Teume told Jaehyuk 'If you decide that being an Idol is not what you want to do with your life, I'll still support you' and I can't help but feel the same way about Yedam. It's his decision and eventhough I'm sad, I'm happy for him. If this is what he wants then I'm happy for him.

Treasure will be alright. Teumes will be alright. Yedam and Mashiho will be alright. We all just need a little time right now to adjust to the new status quo.

I'm looking forward to the Seoul concert and the Japan tour, but most of all I'm looking forward to making new memories with Treasure

[destinyc1020]

But why she is mad ?? Its a fake rumors but its not something bad like the viral vid !!

Did you read her IG stories Anon? 🥴

Zendaya said WEEKLY.

That means she's well aware of the constant nonsense ppl post on Twitter about her and Tom on the regular. Even if SHE herself weren't personally seeing it, ppl close to her surely are, and they're informing her about it.

What "nonsense" things on Twitter you might ask?

Oh idk.... How about: 🤔

People making big deals (and derogatory remarks) about the slight height difference of her and her boyfriend 24/7

So-called "fans" dogging Tom's appearance on the regular🙄 (and especially during his filming of TCR), so much so that Zendaya had to go to IG and Twitter and show support for Tom in posts about not judging people for their appearance, especially when their "look" is for an important role that they are playing.

Crazy stans making lgbtqia+ "jokes" about Zendaya being the "masculine" one in the relationship, or being a closet lesbian who secretly wants to date girls, even though Z has never even hinted at having any romantic interest in girls whatsoever. 🥴

Delusional and disrespectful "fans" on Twitter who salivate at the mouth over the mere thought of Zendaya dumping (or cheating on) Tom in order to go date one of her male costars like Timmy Chalamet, or any other male she happens to cross paths with, even though SHE HERSELF has CLEARLY made it absolutely apparent to anyone with a brain that TOM is who she loves, and has loved for years. 🙄

Racist Tom stans who love to pair Tom with any white girl that can find, and hope that Tom dumps (or cheats) on Zendaya, even though Tom has NEVER EVER even given another woman the time of day anytime he was dating Zendaya. 😒

Insane antis online claiming for almost a year that Tomdaya is just together for "PR" reasons 😒

Folks on Twitter making the beat down video go viral, claiming that it was her, when it most certainly was NOT. 😤

Disrespectful, racist, discriminatory, hurtful, hateful, and even objectifying tweets with her name attached to them. 😔

Seriously... enough is enough. 😤 Twitter is so toxic...I can't even....

It's obvious that she's been bothered by this stuff for a WHILE now. She's only human. 😔 Sometimes enough is enough!

I'm actually surprised it's taken her this long to actually say smthg. Zendaya must have the patience of Job, because I would have looong-since gone OFF on my so-called "fans", and I wouldn't have been as nice as she was about it either. 🤨

I'm not even surprised that Z has drastically limited her time on Twitter, and just social media in general.

You really need to stay away from some of that toxicity in order to keep your mental and emotional health & sanity. 😔

[dotthings]

I'm staying away from that place, but the cynical fake woke virtue signaling faux moral outrage from Jared stans on stan twitter is still raging on while they spew what is effectively propaganda trying to get everyone to believe Jared Never Did Anything Wrong and that multiple lanes who are supporting genuinely progressive work that Jensen and Misha are involved in are all fakes who don't really care about diversity. While they continue to scream down and attack progressive work just because it's got Misha or Jensen attached to it. (See their serial concern trolling against [insert project here] again and again and most recently tried to claim that Harvey Dent's allyship in GK 1.01 was meaningless).

These are dog whistles that are insidiously designed to self-victimize and blameshift. The thread I just read is a mess, they're screaming accusations at everyone else when it's actually a portrait of their own foibles.

This is how they can cover up their own attacks on diversity while virtue signaling. It's an absolutely warped dialogue.

Because deep down they're furious that the spn universe did not bend towards them and their narrow and single-minded ideas, so they're lashing out at everything around it. Anything Jensen and Misha are involved in, anything Jensen and Misha fans support.

They really think all this venom is activism.

And that transparent serial concern trolling is somehow going to impressive anybody with critical thinking skills.

[solahsaavan]

The more I age, the more my urge to stay away from fandom culture (social media in general to be honest) grows. The news of Song Joong-ki's relationship just once again confirmed my belief that being chronically online makes you a bitter loser. And as I am not entirely immune to internet culture either, I will be participating in this unnecessary conversation as well.

I will start by saying it was lovely to see a Korean celeb (male) not going to the extremes to hide their relationship. Also unexpected considering how publicised his last relationship was. Unsurpsingly, the entire conversation once again head back to his divorce a few years back. I agree with the sentiment that Song Hye-kyo was indeed the victim of misogyny by Sjk's rabid fanbase, the general public and the media during that brief period. I also believe the reaction of k-netz and media would have been much nastier if it was Shk dating a foreigner. What no one seems to be talking about is the thinly-vield misogynist comments thrown at his current girlfriend (because everyone is an active participant in this).

And this vile behavior was not exhibited by the 'culturally conservative' Korean general public but the progressive and enlightened international side of k-drama community(both his fans and non-fans included). I went to see the reaction of stan twitter once the news broke and it was largely negative and deranged to my unsurprise. Everyone kept expressing their disgust because he was dating a 'white woman'. Comments talking about how they wished he had dated a 'poc black/brown queen' or wanting to see 'poc representation' in the dating lives of Korean male celebs. This bizarre pattern of wanting non-black/brown men to date black/brown woman isn't just limited to the k-community. I have noticed white male celebs being put on a pedestal everytime they date a black/brown woman. This reeks of internal insecurity (and racism) that can only be healed if men outside your own race find you attractive. Why do you need Korean oppas to date your race for your existence and beauty to be validated anyway? And this comes all the way back to the 'y/n' part of fandom culture. If Sjk has dated a poc woman, this would have given (wishful)validation to his poc fans that they might have a chance too. And this has manifested in his fangirls by putting themselves against her. The same old misogynist tantrums thrown by fangirls in a parasocial relationship with their oppa: but this time under the more sophisticated banner of 'hating on a white woman'. To his 'GROWN' International female fans: beyond pathetic that you are unconsciously acting as the same whiny Korean 'oppa is mine' fans that start acting like immature teenagers everytime their oppa is spotted next to a woman (and that you so condemn a lot). To the others on stan twitter commenting about how 'Sjk degraded from THE Song Hye-kyo to a white woman': how very feminist of you to defend Shk from misogyny by indulging in more misogny. All of this is a consequence of hive mentality and echo chambers that come with being terminally online. These people are so deluded by the anonymity of social media, it doesn't even occur to them that the words they put on the internet can be a reflection of their deeply-held prejudices.

Might as well share some more random thoughts while I'm at it. His girlfriend is apparently half-Columbian and has more melanin in her skin than all his previous (korean)co-stars combined. This leads me to think some of the bitterness expressed by stan twitter is due to Sjk not dating one of their fave unnies(talking about delusional shippers here). And that woman is a gorgeous one and no less deserving of their oppa than a Korean beauty. Dismissing her appearance as bland and white because she is white doesn't take away from the fact you are still degrading a woman to uphold a man. Some of the commenters talking about this giving hope to middle-aged white Koreaboos need a bit of self-reflection. Having a fetish for Korean men isn't just limited to white women. Non-East Asian are very much Koreaboos. Ask anyone on the street and they might say the one with a social media account dedicated to a Korean male celeb is more appropriate for the term 'Koreaboo'. And not the woman who has no previous history with Korea or Korean men. Might I also add she is only a year older than Sjk so calling her middle-aged implying an older woman /younger man relationship is very weird and ageist.

All of this aside, the entire discourse around the experience of POC women has always seemed shallow and exhausting to me. The blanket term 'POC' itself is very vague and doesn't even remotely come close to describing non-white women. My experience as a South-Asian brown woman would be as alien to a black/East-Asian woman as it would be to a white woman. I have never felt represented by the depiction of black/East-Asian women in global mainstream culture.

[stormblessed95]

Just Say You're Jealous of Jimin and Go.

I wasn't planning on saying anything about the drama on Twitter this morning after the group photo was posted after the press conference. But its honestly ridiculous, so consider this me venting it out here for a moment. BTS dropped an amazing song, had a wonderful press conference, and dropped a group photo where jikook were... jikooking. It was amazing and I'll probably never be over it! And IMMEDIATELY hate started going around under Big Hits account and on the timeline for Jimin and Jikook. Its not even about ships anymore, its about basic respect for a group you say you "stan" and love.

Not only were weird edits made of Tae or other women idols in place of Jimin, but the amount of defensive "they are brothers" tweets and hate directed towards Jimin was insane. Its just a god damn photo. It's adorable, appreciate it or don't, but keep your toxicity to yourself.

All the comments about Jungkook being forced to pose like this or forced to interact with Jimin are straight bullshit. And I can't believe that is even a thing anyone has to say at this point. I'm fully aware basically all the hate came from TKKs. Which baffles me because there were a ton of adorable Taekook moments recently. Obsess over those? Is it because this singular moment was more intimate and telling than any other moment TK had that showcased their friendship? Take your jealousy and shove it.

Look! Taekook are cute as hell together! Can you just enjoy them without spewing toxic bullshit just because you see Jimin as some kind of threat to your ship? And no. Jungkook is not being forced into anything. Anyone who says that he is, doesn't actually know their idol AT ALL. Jungkook, Tae and Jin are the kings of "I do whatever I want... I don't listen to the company." Those 3 give off the biggest "wtf are they gonna do, fire me?" vibes. Yet people are still out here thinking they are forced into interactions they don't want or forced to stay away from each other?

Jungkook forced to interact intimately with someone he doesn't want to be with? This is the same man who was told he shouldn't get tattoos because its not okay for an idol, who now has a full sleeve and spent the live today showing them off in short sleeves. This is the same man who dyed his hair himself in the bathroom after the company told him not to. This is the same man who pushes the members off him whenever he needs space. This is the same man who has declined "fanservice" when not in the mood. This is the same man who stared down a bunch of fans and said "I am not your Oppa" even though RM was telling him its fine and to let it go for the fans. He does not do anything he doesn't want to do. This is the man whose slogan is "rather be dead than cool." Who doesn't want to live unless he is living with passion. He is a rebel soul at heart. And he is a grown ass man who can take care of himself. If he is hugging someone, its because he wants to hug them. So step off his ass and let him live. Damn.

And Tae? You think he is going to stay away from someone he supposedly loves just because the company said to? Tae? The same man who got on livestream on his birthday to inform the fans that the company banned him from saying anything about his mixtape... and then proceeded to say "But I don't listen to the company" and giggle his butt off while sending snarky looks to the staff as he played 3 to 5 second clips of his mixtape songs on live stream. The same man who also dyed his hair himself after the company said no. The one who said No, I won't flash my abs anymore, im not comfortable with it and had RM talk to the company to get their choreography changed along with the other members. The one who has no problem telling fans they have no chance with him in WeVerse replies (not very good fanservice there for a typical idol). Tae, who wrote a Christmas love song and wanted to have it be a duet with Jimin and had the company tell him that 2 guys couldn't sing the song and he had to record it with a female Vocalist and release it that way. And Tae responded by refusing to release the song, he wanted it to be Jimin, if he couldn't have Jimin, he wouldn't do the song.

Do either of these men sound like pushovers and doormats like people are making them out to be? Jin has a reputation in the fandom as the rebel. JinHit is a running joke. Everyone is willing to recognize it. But for some reason, that same energy is ignored in Taekook. Their shippers are willingly blind to it. If their shippers had to admit that Taekook had free will, it would dismantle their entire tragic star crossed lovers canon divergent fanfiction as exactly what it is... fiction.

Jimin is NOT the problem here. If Kookie didn't want to be in an embrace with him, he wouldn't be. THEY BOTH chose to pose like this and they all chose to post it. And I, for one, absolutely love it. BTS are all grown men who can make their own choices and don't need their so called fans victimizing them for things that aren't even a problem. Also, Tae and JK are both so endeared by and love Jimin so much, they would be appalled by the things people say about him in relation to their "ship" so everyone should just leave them all alone!

Ship whoever you want, but put respect on all 7 members. If you can't, then keep your mouth closed. Good lord.

Anyway, Jikook are SO loud lately and nothing you say will change how close they are. Stay Pressed and Stream Butter.

🖕🏼🤘🏻💜

[pjmdaily]

I'm not understanding why Jimin getting hate for no reason? Why they are dragging him? I don't understand some K-pop stans, like do they have commonsense? And all these hate for what??

The amount of shit my mind went through while reporting, this is first time I experienced such hate on someone who doesn't even know our existence? And I decided I'll stay away from twt regarding fandom circle and only care about what members are posting on it! I just felt so angry n sad even his posts on weverse didn't made me feel smile for the 1st time 😭 he is so precious why he is always getting hate😢 what he did to people? I'm sorry I'm just becoming emo!

It's okay! I've been in the fandom for six years and trust me the hate Jimin gets has often drained my mental health. I just report and move on nowadays, but I feel like this hate is so normalized that some or most armys just go "oh, he's getting hate again?" and don't do anything about it.

And the worst thing is they don't just talk shit, most of the hate Jimin gets is founded on homophobia, racism, transphobia and even misogyny and mostly reach people of these communities too. Me, as a lesbian woman, am very disgusted by it all. It can be very triggering for people who’s been abused and harrassed too! So PLEASE protect yourself first.

Jimin is one of the most lovable and genuine people in this industry, he didn’t do anything to them. 

You do good staying away from twitter! I would never want to put you in a bad mood, I’m just asking for help from those who still can do that! I couldn’t do it a while back too because I got so sad but now I’m angry the most and I’m reporting everything and hoping that the people who can will do that too! Not only for Jimin but for all the people who get offended by those comments too.