#i would die for dean and that's that
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Thinking about how the plot of season 6 wouldn’t make sense if you do not acknowledge the fact that Cas and Crowley working together was an affair, or at least it felt like so to Dean.
Majority of the people that I heard saying that they disliked that conflict, say that it doesn’t make sense because Dean should’ve understood Cas’ point of view. And that Dean has also worked with demons before, more than once, out of desperation. Which is why he doesn’t have the right to be mad. And I understand that. But it wasn’t about working with demons. No. Not really. The thing that hurt Dean the most about Cas’ choice was how he chose to ask for help from Crowley, instead of him. Cas chose Crowley over him.
“Look me in the eye, and tell me you’re not working with Crowley…”
“You’re in it with him? You and Crowley?? You’re going after purgatory together??? You have, huh? This whole time!”
“No, you had a choice. You just made the wrong one.”
“I was there. Where were you?”
The plot literally doesn’t make sense if you do not acknowledge destiel or crowstiel or deancascrowley. And I think that’s insane, especially for a show from 2005.
#and also I rewatched the whole scene and Dean NEVER talks about the insanity of opening up a door to monsterland#but he KEEPS talking about the fact that Cas chose to work with Crowley#and the fact that they reused Dean and Cas’ lines for a canon couple in a love triangle later in the series????#batshit insane#also I love how everything surrounding purgatory is just so GAY#purgatory the (gay) bar in Miami#purgaytory#also cas and crowley kissed for the deal I will die on this hill#unparalleled media experience#insane show for insane people#supernatural#spn#the man who would be king#tmwwbk#spn meta#spn 6x20#destiel#deancas#crowstiel#deancascrowley#drowstiel#dean studies#dean winchester#castiel#crowley macleod#dean x castiel#castiel x crowley#dean x cas x crowley#reiotalks
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10.17 - INSIDE MAN
#the queen#supernatural#spn#spn edit#dean winchester#rowena macleod#jensen ackles#ruth connell#season 10#I would die for her
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Castiel's love language ...
...was dying for Dean
#Cas would either say I love you#or die for Dean#but most often BOTH#destiel#supernatural#spn 12x23#spn 13x1#spn 7x1#spn 15x18
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Sobbing, screaming, etc. Happy Destiel Day to those who survived 😔💜
#not me I had to log off like 3x#I would die for them#Destiel#nov 5th#supernatural#spn fanart#spn art#fanart#destiel art#I don’t have much to say HAVE SOME FLUFF#I stopped using reference like half way through I’m sorry#castiel#dean winchester#spn
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If I was Adam Milligan after Jack restores the world I would kms in front of Sam and Dean or I would kill them no in between.
#you spend a thousand years in lucifer’s cage cohabiting with thee Archangel Michael#they have an agreement. become everything to each other#and then. you die.#but you come back. and the being who you have spent your lifetime with isn’t with you.#you have to life without someone you have FELT for over a thousand years.#he was never mentioned after the cage. of course he will never be mentioned again.#it is just sick. to think about them.#when they had freedom they just thought of exploring the new things of earth#how is adam going to continue his life??? having spent more than he will dream of living with someone else now taken from him?#i would kms actually and deadly. in front of sam and dean so they have another trauma forever#adam milligan#archangel michael#midam#midam spn
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common problem i have w/ a lot of fanon is that people tend to heavily overestimate how attentive dean is to sam's issues/needs. dean is often fucking clueless abt what sam is going thru lol. outside of the immediate strain it places on their relationship and their ability to do their Job.
#he doesnt ask too many questions. for a reason. he is not equipped to handle the answers#like dean doesnt know jack shit abt sam's possession trauma which is 1 of the reasons he did what he did w/ gadreel#hes aware that 'sam would rather die' but what does that actually mean. how does it tangibly affect sam. in th short term and the long term#like no dean wouldnt actually be angry w/ meg or lucifer or gadreel for violating sam's agency#dean violates sam's agency himself like it's his life's purpose#he's primarily angry w/ them for Fucking With his marriage lmao. or for giving dean personally a hard time#same reason he hated soulless. not (primarily) bc it meant sam's soul was being flayed alive in the cage still#but bc soulless made his life difficult and confusing.#im being a bit uncharitable towards dean w/ this one But come on. ''putting sam's soul back in could damage him forever''#and dean's reaction is i DON'T care i DON'T care i have to try to get My Sam back#and it is perceived/portrayed as a selfless act. girl please. he had a version of sam practically begging him not to Put That Thing In Him#and he said Fuck you and your desires we're doing what *I* want with your body.#you Could compare this to s10 demon!dean cure however i won't be doing that rn <3 read my fic#spn
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dont understand how deangirls can hate sam as if loving sam fiercely and being protective of him isnt literally half of deans character
#dean would literally hate you#w!ncesters dni#AS A DEANGIRL I WOULD DIE FOR SAM BC HOW CAN I NOT LOVE HIM?? THATS DEANS BABY BROTHER!! THE BOY HE RAISED!!!#supernatural#spn#dean winchester#sam winchester
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DEAN: *is all watery-eyed and weird when cas dies the first time*
CAS: *returns and is very, very Cranky (TM) and yelling at everyone*
Instead of being happy, relieved, or appreciative of one another's fighting spirit outright, they fall into a pattern of fighting and banter. They're full of fear, fatalism, and their own discordant Hail-Mary-style ideas.
And they disagree with each other. Their fear, in general, manifests in being short with one another and hilariously calling each other's plans stupid.
They're very immature and ill-equipped to handle caring about each other, basically. It's kinda cute.
They could say "thank you," or "I'm glad you're okay." Instead? Cas flies out of the gate, bossily laying into them about needing to be more careful. Later, he arrives at the hospital and calls the plan of fighting Lucifer stupid.
When Dean responds that Cas's plan is even stupider, Cas tells Dean that he wasn't worth rebelling for at all because he's a failure and should shut the Hell up.
Glorious.
There's so much Weird tension getting in the way of what should be a renewed brother-in-arms-friendship. It should be simple, a hearty hug between friends, some thuds on the back—you know, a simple "we made it, brother!" style of camaraderie.
Instead, they're weird about it.
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And while Dean is usuallyweird (he's a weird, word-vomitey guy at heart), he's being epically weird in 5x03.
I'd say he's being even weirder than Cas is at times, and not just about his nervousness surrounding personal space.
It's everything.
It's even played for laughs a little bit. Cas says a lot of weird shit to the cop, and then somehow gains the cop's trust anyway.
Right after this, the cop calls Dean out, but not Cas.
"Uh, no, Kolchak."
In the end, Cas winds up having the advantage in this bizarre exchange. In a surprise twist, the officer has responded better to Cas's frank honesty than to Dean's sarcasm and indirectness.
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But anyway, it's no wonder Dean's being odd. Man's Hella stressed.
Per the conversation with Sam at the end of 5x01, Dean is barely hanging in there. "He's trying." But he's also feeling the weight of his own fatalism. "I'll fight, but we haven't got a snowball's chance in Hell of winning."
And I personally think he's still anxious post-Cas's first death.
That's a frightening thing to contend with, that one of your strongest, "seemingly invincible" Superman allies can die. It rocks the tenuous stability beneath your feet, so to speak.
Here's the strangest thing: Cas asks Dean to go on a mission with him. But even after Cas straight-up tells Dean no angel would dare harm him, Dean assumes that they're both going to die anyway.
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I think this speaks to Dean's issues focusing. His anxiety must be through the roof, because he's usually so good at hanging on to details like that.
There's also his guilt surrounding Cas facing Raphael alone the first time. And it's coming out this way.
This time, he's automatically cast himself in the role of being there alongside Cas, dying alongside him.
It's not until later that his denial falls away and the truth catches up to him, that Cas means to die alone:
Cas repeats himself, that the archangel wouldn't dare harm Dean:
This is not a revelation.
Cas told him as such right off the bat. But like in the scene with Chuck, Dean's brain prefers to dive straight into denial.
It's interesting for a character like Dean. He's VERY used to losing people, but with Cas, there's a creeping denial and disappointment clouding the whole thing.
There's probably already a crush there... it's coming out in watery eyes and hilarious ADHD-word vomit (Thelma-Louise, fussing about personal space and then getting into his personal space, Bert-n-Ernie-are-gay, last night on earth) because Dean doesn't know what to do with it.
He doesn't know how to handle the confusing mix of feelings. He had a lot of them when Cas died the first time. Now, where can that energy even go?
The face journey he goes on as he realizes Cas is expecting to die... again.
It's a little sad, tbh.
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And then later, when they face off against Raphael, facing him together as Raphael enters "their" kitchen, Dean's fears all come out as jokes and banter again.
It's his preferred defense mechanism against strong emotions. He's worried, but he can't show it.
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Another thing.
I think it's neat that they're squatting in this cute, dilapidated house.
Raphael appears in a kitchen, recreating the circumstances of Cas's first death in Chuck's kitchen.
Some other cute details about the house they're chosen. Dean has his usual cooler, but here he's put it near the hearth of the home, one of his motifs. He acts as bait, drawing Raphael nearer while Cas moves to attack him.
But the specter of the hearth is still meaningful.
And while Dean distracts Raphael, they lure him deeper into the home, a space they're controlling together.
And still, they banter. Cause they're immature and adorable.
DEAN: "Don't look at me it was his idea."
Aside// The lantern and the beer bottles.
Here, we get another glimpse of their symbols. For Cas, it's this dark lantern on the table; it's been on the table "with him"on his side" since the very beginning of squatting in this house.
It symbolizes both Cas himself and this concept of Dean waiting for him. "Where have you been?"
The fact that this lantern is OUT is a callback to Cas's death, and a nod to his current fatalism.
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Actually, the house they're squatting in IS pretty cute. The table they sit at together is cute. Here we have the two of them, mutually aching over their absent fathers... and reeling over the painful, complicated brokenness and betrayals with their respective brothers (Raphael, Sam).
The inside of this house is "dead and dusty," but there's new growth just peeking into the window. Greenness. Renewal.
This living room, where they're spending time together, also contains important Dean-Cas symbols: empty chairs, lanterns, and an unlit hearth.
While the two of them are trying desperately to fix their respective families, they're automatically carving out their own living space together, instinctually, almost without knowing or trying.
It's also funny that we see some of the strife that will color their relationship. It looks like Dean wound up doing a lot of waiting around, and he's irritated about it.
Note the prominently lit empty Cas-chair. While Cas runs off to do his suicidal Heaven errands, Dean waits up for him in a room with a hearth and a conspicuously placed lantern.
Cas appears in front of the stairs. Later, these stairs will be prominently lit by the only lit lantern in the entire house.
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Here we go. Dean and Cas return to face off against Raphael in the house they've come to bond in—in a home they control. Now, the stairs are highlighted by a homey, welcoming light.
It's the only lantern on.
It leads upstairs to the bedroom, or it's a nod to "Heaven" if you prefer that reading.
But it seems to me that this light is conspicuous like, despite the storm and the power outage, these two are carrying a secret torch for each other, a nascent longing to cobble a life together.
Raphael's pyrotechnics are exploding all the lights except this one, after all. Perhaps the lighted stairs represent them as a Heaven-Earth unit, Heaven + home, the one who guards the door + and the one who lights the hearth:
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And goodness, some of these images are lovely.
Raphael breaks the window, letting the storm into the little nook they'd carved for themselves.
The lantern and the beer bottle.
That's their table!
It's funny. It's almost like they instinctively gravitate to trying to fix/rebuild a home when they're together. They naturally want to fall into this weird... rhythm of life.
It's maybe a bit spooky for them, it maybe unnerves them, and they don't know what to do with that. They've both got so much baggage with their respective families that they mostly try to ignore it, and they get pissy and short with each other as a result of ignoring it and circling this...
...confusing thing.
#spn 5x03#dean cas#vintage destiel#adorably immature destiel#dean voice: it's not like i wanna marry you or something#except hey would you stay forever and promise not to die?
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the hill that i will die on is that cas would have never said he loved dean if he had to deal with the consequences of it afterwards, meanwhile dean (who was SUPPOSED to tell cas he loved him in the original crypt scene script) would have eventually worked up to saying it without external pressure
#listen#LISTEN#i know there's a bunch of takes out there that basically amount to dean being too emotionally stunted to know what he's feeling#but dean's problem has always been being TOO connected to his emotions and being unable to process that#meanwhile cas our sexy avoidant king and chronic ghoster would rather die than acknowledge something that big#like are we forgetting that cas's big move after fucking everything up was to go insane and basically not deal with the problem#meanwhile dean is trying to have a heart to heart with every family member love interest and pseudo adopted daughter every six seconds#ANYWAY yeah#if cas hadn't have made a deal with the empty and if that deal didn't ultimately conveniently correlate with saving dean's life?#cas wouldn't have said shit#FREAK <3#mean while dean winchester (WHO HAD MORE TO SAY IN PURGATORY!) would have eventually worked his way up to it#and im not saying he'd handle it well bc he'd probably drop it and then be weird about it forever#but he's more likely to be the first to acknowledge it if they weren't being pressured by outside forces#dean studies#cas studies#im so fucking normal about them#dean winchester#castiel
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perhaps a slightly out there idea, but I want Dean to feed Sam like a baby bird so bad, it's insane. Like the mother-brother-lover ness of it all and how he wants to take care of Sam and the cuteness of it all and how it's not cute at all. I want it so bad omg.
It's gotten to the point where I found one (1) fic that contains that and reread it more than I want to admit.
Guys it's BAD. it needs to happen oh my god
#This is probably a little out there#who am i kidding#We're all freaks here#I just want him to be fed like a cute baby bird#I would die for this#(and maybe Sam throwing up in Dean's mouth)#samdean#wincest#weecest#weirdcest#Who knows if it's even slash-y#gencest
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11.15 - BEYOND THE MAT
#the silliest goose#supenatural#spn#spn edit#dean winchester#jensen ackles#i would die for him#season 11#11x15#he’s beauty and he’s grace
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no but the thing is the thing is orpheus turns and. you’re early. i missed you. he sacrifices his life to save his love and he still dies at 41
#(i do not subscribe to the words of actor man at con. call that a con man. So in my world 15x20 is 6 months later.#[- read that somewhere that it was the time in the first draft/og script? - though ig that would make dean 42 if the show is meant to#vaguely follow rl timeline with the confession happening in nov? who can never be sure. anyway]#he still dies six months later.)#youre telling me dean winchester resurrection guy extraordinaire dies and spends 10 minutes monologuing about how it’s his time#dies for real forever and ever and it’s after cas (to his knowledge) went to angel demon die forever land forever because he sacrificed#himself by loving dean so much venom took him there and these two things are meant to have no connection whatsoever.#[evie posted destiel hadestown today so im obligated to release this one from the drafts]
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I AM SOBBINGGGGG IVE BEEN TELLING MY BROTHER [he's 6] ABOUT SUPERNATURAL ALL WINTER BREAK AND YOU WONT BELIEVE WHAT HE JUST DREW FOR ME
He said this is Dean 😭💓
#no one talk to me#i love my baby brother so much#i would literally die for him#supernatural#castiel#dean winchester#destiel
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More Winchester vs Batfam thoughts
Dick and Dean bonding over being inhumanly beautiful people who were sexualized from an early age and using their sexual nature as a shield.
Sam and Jason bonding over feeling like they'll never be as good as their big brothers.
Sam and Jason bonding over love of literature.
Dean and Jason being total nerds about guns and Jason feeling so vindicated about his gun stance.
Dick talking to Sam about how everyone deserves a chance to reform and that resonating with Sam in a way that frightens him.
The four of them bonding over a super overprotective parent that also was cool with them being child soldiers.
All four of them bonding over living nomadically (or homelessly) in their younger years, and rheir various experiences with poverty (Sam and Dean totally make fun of the other two for becoming rich boys.)
Endless hours of morality debates that absolutely end up with someone with a broken nose.
Giving each other lock picking tips
Dick and Sam bonding over being The Smart Kids that then get shown up by a computer super genius (Tim and Charlie)
Winchesters making fun of the bat boys for being citykids, batboys mocking the Winchesters for being small town hicks.
All of them bonding over their love of cool cars (Sam acts like he doesn't care, but 100% has Opinions.)
Sam and Jason bonding over college dreams
Sam and Dick bond over being mathletes (nerds!)
Dick and Dean bond over thinking school overall was a waste of time.
Dick and Dean bond over having to take care of their dads when they were young.
Dick and Sam bonding over their desperate desire to be good but also harboring a lot of deep anger.
Jason and Dean not used to having to compete for being the funniest person in the room.
Jason and Dean bonding over their desire to protect young kids.
Dick and Dean commiserate in being the older, but shorter, brothers.
The four of them trying to compete in a trivia game. It does not go well. No one has a good time.
Dean: wait, so you two aren't real brothers?
Jason: I will shoot you in the face.
Dean: that's not what I meant!
#winchesters#batfam#dick grayson#jason todd#sam winchester#dean winchester#winchester bros#batbros#theyre all getting along here but 100% would eventually start to fight#i want to read an entire conversation of John and Bruce just Yelling at each other#it'd be so good#sam jason and dick are like yeah i regularly got into fist fights and arguments with my dad lol#dean looking at the three of them like theyre insane#dean being like “what so you just.... let your brother die and were normal about it?”#dick feels extremely judged
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team jess but not team literati. i am my own kind of cancelable breed.
#why have i never seen someone who loves jess but isn’t team jess#you either hate him or would die for him in this fandom#not team logan or dean either#team rory goes to therapy#jess deserves better#don’t cancel me#teddypickerry#gilmore girls#jess mariano#rory gilmore#literati#gilmore girls asks
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Re: Jess/Sam. I remember this great meta post that goes through Dean and Jess meeting in the pilot, and how Dean is really just assessing a threat and then asserting his dominance in his relationship to Sam. Immediately Jess serves as something "getting in the way" of Dean and his family/mission. Its really interesting to think about this in terms of fic where Sam gets married. I also wish something could have been played with more in the Djinn ep dealing with jealousy or expectations.
I think I vaguely remember the post you're talking about -- that Dean is initially just kinda jokey with Sam, and then when Jess comes into the room and interrupts he goes into ultra prickly defense mode. "Asserting dominance" always puts my 'why are we over-applying psych terms to nuanced fictional characters' hackles up, lol. But it's true that Dean does that ott aggro flirting (partly, I think, just to be rude to Sam, who has still very much hurt Dean's feelings and they haven't talked about that in any kind of substantive way), and pushes Jess away so that he and Sam can be oriented inside the circle of The Secret which she's outside of. She does get in the way and Dean needs to move forward and this is his instinctive move.
More interesting to me, though, is that it doesn't work, or not exactly. Sam takes the obvious insult and goes and stands next to The Other Woman, and tells Dean that, no, she is not outside the circle -- that she and I have formed our own circle, with you outside it. And Dean goes, oh, really? Well, let's test that -- and it's Sam who understands that oh shit wait this really is about The Secret, and it's Sam who tells Jess to leave.
idk about any 'dominance' being asserted, but it's endlessly wild to me that Sam continually says that he wants (or wants to want) this good 'normal' committed life away from all that stuff, but he's not actually committing to the relationship with The Other Woman. In the pilot at least, Dean isn't really representing himself as-Sam's-brother (not least because Sam has clearly indicated that he's not interested in Dean as his brother, given that they haven't talked in two years) -- he's the call to action, he's the wild weird horror of hunting itself, he's the Not-Normal -- and Sam turns toward it almost instantly! Of course he has a sense of duty toward the family and toward making sure innocents aren't hurt, even if he's been trying to smother it with a pillow for four years -- but Sam leaps at the hunt, he's good at it, he's running away from a car with Dean and literally making a leap of faith off a bridge and lying to cops and driving cars through walls and having the best time ever. He goes back to the apartment because he's committed to the life he's told himself he should have, but he'd being lying to himself (and viewers would be lying to themselves, too) if that whole adventure were interpreted as some horrible thing Sam had to do. He had fun. He is a hunter. (And it honestly doesn't matter why -- whether he's naturally attracted to danger, whether it was all nurture, if you want to be one of those tedious familyhorror people and say he was stockholmed into it, whatever. This is who he is, and it's interesting to look at his behavior on that level.)
So like -- if Sam actually stayed? If he and Jess actually got married? Oof. That door got opened and it would never stay shut. I don't believe in taking deleted scenes as canon, but there is that deleted dialogue about how Sam looked up hunts when he was in college. And we see Mary doing the exact same thing, when Dean was a baby and she was ostensibly "out" of hunting. It's entirely believable that he'd not be able to fully stay out -- and, in the sense that hunting itself is represented by Dean, that he would also 'cheat' on Jess with his brother -- or want to, which is as close to the same thing as would make no difference.
You know, that line Constance has in the pilot? Sam says, I've never been unfaithful, and she says, you will be. Eager wincesties want to take that as a direct brofuckin' meaning, but that's an overreading, and honestly you don't need to take it that far to make it meaningful. Sam made a commitment, if not out loud then at least internally, that he was going to stay away -- at Stanford, in normalcy, with Jessica. I guess, in a terrible way, he's lucky that fate & circumstance tore him away from that life and forced him into infidelity, before he had the chance to be unfaithful of his own volition. It was coming. One way or another.
#answers#sam winchester#re: the djinn episode tho#i mean yes it would've been fun to get more jealousy#but we have to remember that the djinn only has dean's pov#it's constructing a world dean will believe#and that's a world where dean sucks and no one likes him#and sam *should* get away and *should* get married#he's willing to accept that even#he only starts to break out of it hard when he realizes people would die as a result#the death of his heart is ignorable
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