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I know we all horny for Nemesis in Hades II but like. I lowkey don't want her as a romancible option. Like I want her to be tough badass woman we all pine for as players, but she's more of a cool older sister type to Melinoe.
(Also bc lowkey I want the female romantic option for Mel to be Iris, just bc I feel like Arke is gonna be a boss fight and if I'm right, the arc and the interactions can just be so good and angsty but comforting)
#that said though#i will romance her if given the chance bc DUH#have you seen her?#i will worship mel's cool gf no matter what#bc she will have one#i don't think that's even an argument that she will have a male and female option#hades#hades ii#melinoe#nemesis#iris#supergiant games
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How does Venali's post-game/epilogue go for her? (her finali, if you will)
Also, how well does she get along with gale's cat (tara I think??)? Does she have any pets of her own?
AUGH i had a whole thing typed out but forgot to save it and lost it all so . Take 2
also i smile and grin whenever you send me an ask about her :)) 10/10 pun btw zero notes
under the cut for patch 5 spoilers
okay so i beat the big brain and got the Gale romance ending where he proposes and asks you to go to Waterdeep with him and Ven was like. Uhhh yeah. Duh. Of course. And then it IMMEDIATELY goes into the epilogue and I start hyperventilating. Narrator describes how Gale and Ven are super in love and happy in Waterdeep so already it’s a strong start.
I spoke to Shadowheart first and it was honestly SO nice to hear that she’s living a relatively quiet, peaceful life brewing drinks from apples and caring for animals. Gave her a hug :)
Then I talked to Karlach and immediately cried bc she sounded SOOOO happy to be back from Avernus and WITH WYLL!!! Both of their new armors looked SO good on them, and Karlach saying it’s easier to brave the hells with someone she loves 😭😭😭 AND there’s a chance she can fix her engine and return to Faerûn for good! gave Karlach a hug :) didnt get the option for Wyll idk if it’s a dialogue path thing or what but if it is I missed it :(
Spawn Astarion’s end was EXACTLY how I described their dynamic in the last ask and I was SOOO CHEERED by that! !! I’m happy for him finding something to do that makes him happy. Gave him a hug :)
Lae’zel wasn’t there in person but it really meant a lot to Ven the efforts she went through to send a projection of herself to see everyone at the party :)) Ven is really very proud of everything she’s doing for her people, but will never turn down an opportunity to see her. Wish I could have given her a hug ;-;
i must confess i did not bring Halsin out with me hardly at all but he had a good time at the party! got really drunk and turned into a bear, and he gave me a lil wooden duck that he carved :)
Jaheira was everything 2 me. I love that lady. She was SO fun to have around the whole time I knew her but referring to herself as “Fun Jaheira” was super good. I’ll never be unhappy to see her
Minsc was, of course, hilarious. Just brought a random guy along after dangling him over a ledge for two hours, and dude was more scared of the hamster than him. For good reason, I’m sure. Boo cuts a very menacing figure.
Spoke to the bard for a bit too, told him I know who he is so he’d stop being so depressed.
And then I talked to Gale and Let Me Tell You. Unwell. Unwell about it. I know if you ask him to stay in Baldur’s Gate with you, he becomes a house husband and picks up creative hobbies which is also REALLY good and I Love that a lot. But bc Ven went with him to Waterdeep, he becomes a professor of illusion magic at Blackstaff Academy and I am quite frankly over the moon about that. And he’s so nervous about being there at first but thanks you for dragging him out to see everyone!! AUGH. Whatever.
Also his new kiss animation for this. Whatever. Whatever. Whatever. i dont even caare. (<— cares so much).
And Tara was there!!! I saw for some people she doesn’t show up, I guess that’s if you piss her off if you find her in act 3? But I tried so hard not to piss her off and it paid off!
She’s a bit jealous about having to share Gale’s time bc she is his oldest and best friend, but Venali respects that and is very much fond of having Tara around. I like to think they actually work very well together and Tara even helps Ven with her own research. It’s so so sweet that she wants to have Gale and Ven around more for dinner with Gale’s mom. Ven never had pets of her own, but she loves animals. I think the first time Tara curls up on her lap is considered one of the best things that’s happened to her since moving to Waterdeep.
And that’s another thing, I really think Ven and Morena would get on so well. But I also think she would know about Ven’s wizard persona reputation before meeting her and that makes for a really fun awkward situation where she has to explain the whole thing to her future mother in law.
And Ven and Gale are married in the epilogue!! But Ven would also really want all of her friends there, so To Me they’re still planning the wedding and she invites all of her friends at the party :)
There are also a bunch of letters from the friends you made throughout the game and you’ll never guess! cried. The letter from Hope got me the most , my god. House of Hope is one of THE quests in the game and how it frames hope as a concept through Hope’s character is. good. So that letter definitely got me.
Loved the epilogue. So much. Really really happy Larian added that in, the closure was amazing.
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so whats your take on the catra/adora situation
I have a lot of thoughts about this and I’m gonna just unload them all below the cut bc this is gonna get kind of meta-y and pretty discourse-y, and I know a lot of people are trying to avoid that right now. The long n short of it is that I still like the ship.
I’m actually a little baffled by how much people don’t like this pairing now. It all basically comes down to the belief that Catra is abusive towards Adora, but people seem to be conveniently leaving out that Catra has been abused by the Horde as much as Adora. I’d actually argue that Catra’s abuse was harsher, while Adora was the favored child. That’s not to say that Adora wasn’t abused, because she obviously was, but there are different kinds of abusive situations, and in homes with multiple children, there’s often one that the parent/guardian clearly favors and manipulates and the other that gets the brunt of the abuse. Adora was manipulated and lied to and who knows what else, while Catra was physically threatened and harmed, emotionally abused, and pitted against Adora, her own best friend. They have different experiences, and Catra’s experiences have clearly led to the survival instincts she has now. I’ll also point out that members of the crew have stated that Catra’s portrayal is influenced by their own experiences with abuse (source). So flatout saying Catra is abusive and Adora needs to cut ties and leave her rubs me the wrong way. I think Catra is on course for a big redemption arc, because I think people who have been in abusive situations themselves want to tell stories of abuse victims overcoming it.
So that’s sort of the basics of Catra and Adora’s abuse by the Horde, and people have ended up saying, well Adora got out, why can’t Catra? First I’d like to point out the irony of the fandom pitting Catra and Adora against each other in the same way Shadow Weaver did, holding Catra to Adora’s standard. But what makes Adora and Catra different here? There could be a lot of things, you could get into discussions about nature vs nurture, you could argue that Adora has an inherent goodness because she was destined to be She-ra or whatever. But in the end I think it comes down to the different ways they experienced abuse in the Horde. Adora got to switch to the side of good because she thought she was on the good side all along, that’s what the Horde convinced her of, and she didn’t know anything outside of what the Horde told her. Then she also had Shadow Weaver favoring her, and the respect of her superiors and peers, so her life in the Horde was, comparatively, not that bad. But Catra knew it was bad. I’ve seen people calling Catra evil based on her duh, you just figured that out? line. But doesn’t it make sense that Catra knew she was being abused, because she was being treated so much harsher than Adora was? It was in her face all the time, but like Adora, she didn’t know anything beyond the Horde. Abuse was her norm, and she developed certain survival instincts because of that.
But Adora offered Catra a way out right? And Catra knowingly refused, so Catra is evil, right?? This is where I think Catra’s character gets extra complex, because it starts delving into the psychology of abuse victims, and one of the things that’s pretty well known is that abuse victims will often refuse to leave their situation, even when given the chance. That’s what abusers do, they make their victims afraid to leave the stability of their situation, no matter how awful it is. The devil you know, yanno? Adora wasn’t exactly offering Catra safety, she was offering her the chance to join a weak rebellion against the group that was conquering the world, a rebellion which massively failed the last time it was attempted. And leaving the Horde, and then losing? That would make Catra’s situation so much worse.
There’s a lot you can get into with Catra’s motivations throughout the season, but I’ll leave the deep details to Catra-specific character metas. I sussed out 3 big motivations for her from my 1 viewing at the asscrack of dawn.
1. She’s being forced to act against Adora by Shadow Weaver, the woman who has directly abused her her whole life
2. She wants to take down Shadow Weaver as a form of revenge and surpass her in the process
3. She want to prove to everyone in the Horde that she’s powerful and capable without Adora around (reminder that Adora said displays of weakness were a no-no at the Horde, so it stands to reason that being the best and most powerful is a goal ingrained into them as cadets) because Catra has been pitted against and compared to Adora her whole life (this ties in to Catra’s sidekick remark).
None of this excuses her actions, but it does explain her backstory and allows the viewer to get inside Catra’s head and understand why she does the things she does. It deliberately paints her as a sympathetic villain, because you understand her, and it makes you want to root for her.
Catra being sympathetic is a big thing to me, because it’s done on purpose. They’ve planted the seeds for a big redemption arc, one that may run the course of the show, and that’s something I want to see happen. A well done redemption arc is incredible to watch play out. And I’ll remind everyone that the crew has pretty openly loved Catra as a character, and they’re very invested in her as a character, and I personally don’t see how a crew with abuse victims on their staff would create an abusive character and then care about her so much. That goes double for catradora, they’re all interested in them as a duo and post art and content that toes very closely to the line of ship art, and I can’t see abuse victims creating a show just to ship a character with her abuser.
When it comes to Catra and catradora, there’s a few big important things I think people are ignoring.
- Catra has all the groundwork for a bigass redemption arc. It’s something fans have been expecting and hoping for since the first info about the show was released
- In order to get a redemption arc, she needs to do something that needs redeeming. Think of season 1 as Catra’s villain origin story. A redemption arc has no payoff if we don’t see their misdeeds. But Catra’s misdeeds aren’t a case of Cool motive, still murder, because nothing she’s done so far has such long lasting effects. She attacked some people with the Horde, of course, but also keep in mind that this is a kids show, where things like that have to be exaggerated so kids can see that they’re doing Bad Things (remember that time Zuko burned down a whole village, kidnapped Aang, attacked them all multiple times? And he has THE redemption arc every other one is compared to)
- This is only the first season! There’s so much story left to tell, maybe more backstory for Catra, more flashbacks detailing her experiences, etc etc. There’s something like 39 episodes still guaranteed to come, and I’m not expecting season 4 Catra to be the same as season 1 Catra. She’s going to change, her relationship to Adora is going to change, and I want that change to be positive. That’s a big draw for catradora: positive character development
- The crew has stated multiple times that Catra and Adora’s friendship/relationship is very central to the story, and that definitely shows in s1. Telling people not to like this ship is telling them to not fully engage with one of the show’s main foci (and there are definitely positive moments within all the hurt we see. They love each other, in an environment that doesn’t want them to)
- I haven’t seen a single person say that Catra and Adora’s relationship as is would be healthy and perfect. Everyone knows they have stuff to work through. What I have seen is people caring about both of them as characters and friends, people who love each other and deserve to be happy. People WANT a redemption arc for Catra, and they’re shipping Redeemed!Catra/Adora. They’re looking ahead down the path of character development and hoping it leads to romance, because it very well could. One of the big reasons people latch on to ships like this is that it has so so much room for growth and development, for them as individuals, and them as a pair. I know it’s illegal to talk about vo/tron, but you can compare it to people who shipped k/ance and a//urance after season 1. Neither had healthy romantic dynamics in the first season, but people were looking forward to growth and development, and shipping that. The whole point is that you want to see characters grow together. Development is half the point of storytelling. Romantic ships where they basically start out all happy and good are dull because they don’t have the same space for character growth and development. They’re static, they’re boring.
- The crew of the show likes catradora! They care so much about these two characters and their bond, and I don’t see a crew of LGBT people making a romantically coded dynamic between 2 female characters, hyping it up, creating content of the two of them, just to have one be an evil abuser
This is also where I’ll point out that many other antagonistic characters have been much beloved by the fandom and part of majorly popular ships
- Zuko: Zutara & Zukka
- Bakugo: Kiribaku
- Sasuke: Sasunaru or w/e it is
And you’ll notice these are moooostly m/m ships, and people still stan them to this day. But catradora of course is f/f, and we know f/f ships are subjected to much higher criticism than m/m pairings. In fact, the defense for Zuko and Bakugo is their traumatic abuse backstory, so the same should apply for Catra.
I’m also going to say, at great risk to myself, that I think the discourse around this ship is mostly happening because the current She-ra fandom is largely made of of (ex) v/d fans, where discourse was basically a hobby. And for good reason, there was a lot of dumpster fires in that fandom and show, but I think it’s resulted in people coming into this fandom just chomping at the bit to jump on some discourse and be the most Unproblematic and Self-Righteous. Am I basically vaguing myself by saying that? Yeah, kinda, but I’ll have to stand by it. We’ve seen so little of this show and people are already making major decisions about what’s ok and what’s not because they’re coming off of a fandom with a pretty shitty crew, and they’re expected to be hurt again. But the She-ra crew isn’t the v/d crew, and they deserve the benefit of the doubt.
This got really rambly and stuff but the point is, I like catradora. I want to see them grow and heal and love each other, because I care about both characters. It isn’t about shipping an angsty abusive ship, it’s about wanting them to find each other again without the toxic influence of the Horde.
#keke answers#spop spoilers#catradora#discourse#its under a read more but you know just in case#anonymous#ask#abuse mention
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( &&. general information )
full name: charlotte elizabeth fortier
pronunciation: shar-lot
nickname(s) or alias: charlie, char
preferred name: charlie
current age: twenty-one
astrological sign: sagittarius
element: fire
title: miss
label: the halcyon
gender: female
preferred pronouns: she & her
sexual preference: bisexual
romantic preference: biromantic
resides in: princeton, new jersey
current occupation: student
language(s) spoken: english
native language: english
current marital status: single
( &&. background )
reason behind name: charlotte was her maternal grandmother’s first name and elizabeth is her paternal grandmother’s middle name
birth order: she is the youngest of three siblings
ethnicity: caucasian
nationality: american
religion: agnostic
political views: liberal as fuck
financial status: upper middle class
iq: 127
hometown: georgetown, washington, d.c.
( &&. physical appearance )
looks like: phoebe tonkin
height: five feet and ten inches
weight: a hundred and forty pounds
shoe size: eight and a half
figure/build: lean, slightly muscular
hair colour, Dyed?: brunette and no
hair length: medium length
eye colour: hazel
shape of face: square
tattoos: ‘joy’ in scribe on her wrist. a dainty sternum tattoo of two sprigs of lavender
piercings: ears are triple pierced with her cartilage
birthmarks/scars/distinguishing marks: n/a
dominant hand: left
if painted, what color are their nails/toenails?: it stays in the gray family, ventures into lavenders sometimes.
usual style of clothing: hipster skater chic vibes that is most likely hella comfy as well (lol does that even make sense)
frequently worn jewelry: two personalized rings on her middle finger with her first and middle name on it. a dainty gold necklace with her siblings’ initials on them
what is their speaking style (fast, monotone, loquacious)? insanely loquacious, although there are moments (aka that high life) she’s just insanely mellowed out and talks quite... slow.
describe their scent: she usually smells of citrus???
describe their posture: usually in a slight slouch
( &&. legal information )
birth name: charlotte elizabeth fortier
any speeding tickets?: one from driving in northern virginia (true story. me af. fuck u nova)
have they ever been arrested?: nope
do they have a criminal record?: no
have they committed any violent crimes?: no
property crimes?: no
traffic crimes?: no
( &&. medical information )
blood type: o positive
date/time of birth: december fifth, 1995 / 2:49 am
place of birth: washington, d.c.
vaginal birth or cesauren section?: vaginal
sex: female
diet: somewhat healthy... not really. hella junk food on occasion
smoker? / Drinker? / Drug User?, Which?: no / yes, socially / yes, mostly marijuana but the occasional psychedelics (shrooms, lsd, etc).
addictions: none
allergies: none
do they get occasional checkups?: yes
ever broken a bone?: no
hospital visits, what for?: torn acl when used to play soccer in high school
any physical ailments/illnesses/disabilities: none
any medication regularly taken: none
( &&. personality )
direct quote from them: “wanna go hang on the rooftop?”
positive traits: independent, understanding, charismatic, adventurous
negative traits: sarcastic, stubborn, hedonistic
likes: naps, fluffy sweaters, corgis, weed
dislikes: sour candies, breadsticks, roller coasters
fears/phobias: heights
hobbies: crocheting (hit up ya girl for hats and scarves in the winter)
guilty pleasure: watching reality tv aka the challenge
regrets: not telling a certain someone that she loved them
turn ons: being dominated, also the being dominant
turn offs: cockiness, little to no hygiene upkeep
lucky number: 13
pet peeves: when people who just ordered move to the front of the counter when there is a large crowd still waiting for their own food??
their motto: here for a good time not a long time
( &&. favourites )
food: pizza
drink: water
fast food restaurant: five guys
flavour: cherry
word: moist
colour: black
clothing: flannels
accessory: rings
candle scent: the winter candle from bath & body works
store: h&m
instrument: guitar
game: any of the pokemon games minus pokemon go
animal: kangaroo
holiday: christmas, duh
season: winter, also duh
book: milk and honey by rupi kaur
artist: ella mai
band/group: the eagles
song: take it easy by the eagles
movie/film:
tv show: the challenge (she’s a slut for reality tv tbh)
sport: baseball
sports team: philadelphia phillies
school subject: maths
possession: her rings that were given to her by her parents
number: 11
emoji: shady eyes emoji
mythological creature: pegasus
person: @gtglayla
( &&. skills )
talents: does balancing a spoon on your nose count??? or
ability to drive a car? Operate any other vehicles?: loves driving. will drive if you don’t want to
can they ride a bike?: yes
do they play any sports?: used to play soccer until she tore her acl
anything they’re bad at?: singing and drawing???
do they have any combat training? Why?: no, bc no?
( &&. firsts )
childhood memory: being pushed into the pool by her older brother
crush: paisley anderson in the third grade
email address: [email protected]
job: cashier at dairy queen
phone: sidekick
computer: imac
kiss: paisley anderson in the third grade ;))))))
love: natalie dent @tfnatalie
sexual experience: prom in the eleventh grade
( &&. childhood )
best childhood memory?: when she watched her little sister beat up some kid for making fun of her twin. she was going to hold her back, but y’know didn’t want to elbowed in the face
worst childhood memory?: losing her first soccer game. damn, that day was just awful.
what were they like as a child?: she was really curious, constantly bugging her parents with questions and just won’t stop until she was actually tired.
any crushes growing up?: several. her first was paisley anderson from the third grade.
did they know/like their parents?: she absolutely adores her parents
worst influence on them as a kid?: older cousins. they were the ones that taught her what weed was
did they have a lot of friends?: yeah, the girls on her soccer team were her closest friends
were they heavily punished?: not really? her parents were pretty lax about rules.
anything they wish they could cut out?: not really
were they more feminine or masculine?: she was slightly more masculine than feminine
were they an early or late bloomer for puberty?: late bloomer for sure
do they still know any of their childhood friends?: sadly, no
( && this or that )
expensive or inexpensive tastes?: expensive
hygienic or Unhygienic?: hygienic
open-minded or close-minded?: open-minded
introvert or extrovert?: extrovert
optimistic or pessimistic?: optimistic
daredevil or cautious?: daredevil
logical or emotional?: emotional
generous or stingy?: generous
polite or rude?: polite
book smart or street smart?: street smart
dominant or submissive?: dominant
popular or loner?: loner
leader or follower?: leader
day or night person?: night
cat or dog person?: dog
closet door open or closed while sleeping?: closed
( &&. family relationships )
father: peter ynes fortier
describe their relationship: she has a great relationship with her father. honestly between her mother and him, she is closer to her dad. he was the one to feed charlie’s curiosity about the world around her. he was also the one to encourage her to do whatever she loved.
mother: juniper marie scott-fortier
describe their relationship: she simply adores her mom. she was always there for every soccer game that she had. cheered her on through things that charlie didn’t even know that she needed to be cheered on for. she was always so loving and tender, understanding and kind.
brother: austin wyatt fortier
describe their relationship: her older brother is somewhat of an asshole?? but he’s the kind of person that would risk anything for his family. quite the character actually. he’s off in new york doing his own thing and making sure that no one is messing with his younger sister. and she basically does the same for him... in a less agressive way.
sisters: chloe anne and cassandra lee fortier
describe their relationship: the beloved twins of the family. she would say that they’re pretty close. although, they’re still in high school and sometimes... charlie can’t really relate to them??? teenagers man.
significant other: tba
( &&. other relationships )
best friend: layla evans
childhood friend: tba
enemy: tba
past romances: natalie dent, tba
pets: luna & shadow (her corgis)
roommate(s): tba
( &&. social media )
do they have a Facebook? Twitter? Instagram? Vine? Snapchat? Tinder/Grindr? Tumblr? YouTube?
if so; Name on Facebook: charlotte fortier
twitter handle: @char_fortier
instagram user: @char_fortier
vine user: RIP VINE
snapchat user: charliebitme
name on Tinder: charlotte fortier
tumblr URL: n/a
youTube channel: n/a
( &&. musical tastes )
Theme song: honey by kehlani
Can relate to: she don’t by ella mai
Makes them happy: sunday candy by chance the rapper
Makes them sad: we find love by daniel caesar (actually anything by daniel caesar gets her in her feelings???)
Makes them dance: wannabe by the spice girls
Loves the most: sam smith. literally.
Describes them: fine by vada
Never gets tired of: ain’t it fun by paramore
Would like to be played at their wedding: best part by daniel caesar
Would like to play at their funeral: promises by jhene aiko
( &&. miscellaneous )
Do they have a fake I.D.?: yes
Are they a virgin?: no
Describe their signature: there are only two distinct letters in her signature, one being c for charlotte and the f for fortier
How long would they survive in a zombie apocalypse?: probably not that long. i see her being killed in the first two days or so
Do they travel?: she loves to travel. last summer she went on a cross country road trip with her brothers
One place they would like to live: paris, france
One place they would like to visit: seoul, south korea
Celebrity crush: hayley kiyoko
What can you find in their pockets/wallet/purse: a hair tie / a two dollar bill / two packs of gum, her wallet, random makeup products, and lotion
Place(s) your character can always be found: rooftop of the pi gamma house, in the library
When does your character like to wake up?: honestly??? noon.
What’s your character’s morning routine?: wake up, scavenge for breakfast, go take a shower, throw on some clothes and pat on some makeup
What does your character eat for breakfast/lunch/dinner?: usually cereal or some eggos / skips lunch on most days??? but probs might ask someone to go to chipotle or something / dining hall anyone???
How does your character spend their free days?: smoking, napping, reading
What’s your character’s bedtime routine?: if she has the time to, she’ll take a bath and do a face mask. but if not, she just takes off her makeup and washes her face.
What does your character wear to bed?: typically an oversized shirt and just underwear
If your character can’t fall asleep, what are they thinking about?: a shit ton of things. what does her schedule look like tomorrow? what work she has to do? any emails that she has to get back to? all types of shit. random shit too. what are millenials really doing with their time? how effective is the sushi making contraption tube thing?
What has been their greatest achievement?: graduating as one of the valedictorians in high school
What or who is the greatest love of their life?: natalie dent
Most marked characteristic: honesty
How would they like to die?: peacefully and in her sleep
Do they snore?: no
Do they chew their pens/pencils?: no
Can they curl their tongue?: no
Can they whistle?: yes
Do they believe in the supernatural?: no, ghosts aren’t real wth *cue shane impersonation*
Have they ever cheated on anyone?: never
Have they ever been cheated on?: no
Has anyone ever broken their heart?: yes
Have they ever broken anyone’s heart?: no not that she knows of
Are they squeamish?: no
Have they ever killed anyone? Why? How?: no
Have they ever seen anyone die? What happened?: no
Are they a lightweight?: definitely not.
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