#i was never a 1d person and i don't know what actually happened but

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Wait, I was reading your posts and came across something I've found confusing. How is Adrien asking Ladybug wth she is doing in Volpina a bad thing? From Adrien's perspective, Ladybug's a celebrity tracking down a middle schooler with zero clout and humiliating her for lying about meeting her before. That's, uh yeah? Imagine if that happened irl lmao. Millions of teenage girls would perish at 1D's hands. My middle school would be a horror story. And it's made clear multiple times in the episode that her motivation is jealousy. It's one of the few episodes where the lesson Marinette gets makes sense I think, because she was genuinely spiteful in shitting on this random girl in front of her crush. That's significantly different than Ladybug just asking for a retraction from the Ladyblog. It's also one of the few times when Adrien's celebrity background actually affects how he acts, and it makes sense that Marinette doesn't make the connection between superhero=celebrity=not allowed to scream at middleschoolers in public. If half the kids in her school didn't lie about meeting Ladybug before, my suspension of disbelief is gone.

I've seen this argument before and it makes no sense to me, especially in the context of the lie that Lila actually told and the way the Lila confrontation actually goes down. A lot of people who have this take seem to think that Lila's lie was, "Ladybug saved me," and that Ladybug made a big public confrontation which is not what canon actually gave us. The confrontation was done in a mostly private setting and, while we never see Lila's full Ladyblog interview, this is how Ladybug sums up the interview in Volpina:

Ladybug:(sarcastically) Well hey Lila! How's it going? Long time no see. I saw your interview on the Ladyblog, awesome job. Oh sure! I remember our instant connection when I saved your life and we've been really good friends ever since! Practically BFF's! Uh actually, when did I save your life again, Lila? I don't recall. Oh yes! Of course, now I remember. Never! And we're not friends either! Miss Show-Off here was trying to impress you and everyone around her.

Lila didn't just lie about meeting Ladybug, she lied about having an ongoing, close relationship with Ladybug, two very different things. And Ladybug isn't just a celebrity, she's a superhero who is fighting an active terrorist. If I had to rewrite this confrontation, I'd keep it pretty much the same and just change the "Miss Show-Off" line to something like:

Miss Show-Off here was trying to impress you and everyone around her, putting herself and all of you at major risk! You know that Hawkmoth would do anything to get these, right? (gestures at her earrings) Did you even stop to think about what he'd do if he learned the identity of my supposed best friend? Of course not. You were too busy trying to look cool to stop and think things through like an actual superhero! We keep our identities and relationships secret for a reason!

Is this the kindest, most gentle way to confront someone like Lila? No, but it's very in character for Marinette to be filled with righteous fury when she sees someone using her name for their own personal gain. I really can't blame her for getting incredibly angry at this total stranger presenting herself as a Ladybug authority and using that authority to manipulate Marinette's friends. As I've said before, take away the crush complication and Marinette's actions still make total sense to me.

I'm not a huge proponent of virtue ethics. That's the idea that you need proper motivation for an act to be morally justified. If you do the right thing for the wrong reason, then the act is bad no matter how good the results and vice versa. If you view the world that way, then sure, you could possibly argue that Marinette's actions were wrong just like you can also argue that Gabriel's actions were totally fine, but I don't view the world that way. Switch Marinette's motivation from jealousy and a little righteous fury to pure righteous fury and almost nothing changes. She'd still need to confront Lila, the words would just be a little different.

It's not like this confrontation stops Lila, either. Chameleon gives us this:

Lila: (in flashback) Not only did Ladybug save my life, we've become very close friends. Marinette: She lies with every breath. Nino: Wait. You eavesdropped on Lila and Adrien? That's not cool. Alya: A good reporter always verifies her sources. Can you prove she doesn't actually know Ladybug?

Quick mini rant before I give the next Chameleon quote: this isn't how verifying your sources works, Alya! You should be verifying that Lila does know Ladybug, not the other way around! Right now, Marinette and Lila have equal authority on the topic as far as you know and there is no evidence to support either claim, so you should be looking for proof that Lila isn't lying! Proof isn't a first come, first serve problem even though a lot of people fall into that trap. This is especially true since Lila goes on to make claims like this:

Lila: Of course Ladybug saved my life. She never misses an opportunity to rescue her best friends. Max: Didn't your tinnitus give you vertigo when you went up the Eiffel Tower? Lila: Oh no. Ladybug knows me so well that she brought me an earplug to stick in my right ear.

So Lila keeps right on lying about her relationship with Ladybug, presenting them as close friends, making it even harder for me to get on the "Marinette was in the wrong for privately confronting Lila" train. If anything, Marinette was too tame! She needed to go full scorched earth and have Alya post a public retraction that included a message about the dangers of claiming to be personal friends with someone you don't actually know.

If the show went that route and had Ladybug give an equally furious smack-down and Alya posted it without a second thought, THEN I'd probably be on team "Marinette needed to tone herself down because she went too far" because that isn't a heat-of-the-moment reaction. It's something Marinette would have time to think through. But Volpina didn't go there. Instead, we just get Marinette reacting live to someone using her name to flirt with her crush. Remember, this is the setup to Marinette transforming and jumping in to stop Lila:

Lila: Not only did Ladybug save my life, we've become very close friends because we have something very special in common- it's what I wanted to tell you about. I'm the descendant of a vixen superheroine myself, Volpina. Adrien: Volpina? Marinette: Volpina? Adrien: Wait a minute! I think I read about her in my book. Lila:(stopping him from grabbing the book) Of course she's in your book. She's one of the most important superheroes. More powerful and more celebrated than Ladybug. Between you and me Ladybug doesn't even make the top ten. My grandma gave me this necklace. [Marinette runs off to transform] Adrien: (holding Lila's necklace) Are you telling me this is a Miraculous?! (Ladybug lands in front of them)

This wasn't a planned confrontation. It was Marinette reacting live to some pretty massive lies. If Ladybug had been swinging by and just overhead this, then the scene once again wouldn't change much. That's why blaming Marinette for confronting Lila in the "wrong way" feels so victim blame-y to me. "How dare Ladybug not be perfectly poised at all times and react with grace when someone lies about being her close friend and teammate!" is not a take I'm ever going to agree with. And if you want to use the middle schooler defense? Then it applies to Marinette, too. She and Lila are the same age. Why the different standards just because Marinette has fame that she never asked for or sought out?

I've never been much of a fan of holding celebrities to an "always on" standard where their every interaction needs to be done with poise and grace even if the interaction happens out in the wild and not at a planned even where the celebrity can be mentally prepared for dealing with fans. That's extra true for accidental celebrities like Ladybug. Marinette didn't take up the earrings for fame and they certainly haven't brought her fortune, plus she has no PR training. Expecting her to be a PR master who knows how to handle her accidental fame is, once again, a little too victim blame-y for my tastes. Ladybug is here to save the world, not sign autographs. You can hold her to politician standards when you start paying her for risking her life on the daily.

There's a version of Lila where I would have a different take. A version where the lie really is minor and Marinette really did "overreact", but even there my lesson wouldn't be "Marinette was totally in the wrong" because I genuinely think that sends the wrong message to kids and kids are the show's target audience. Think about what you're actually saying here, "Because Marinette is famous, she needs to accept that people will lie about her and just ignore them even if people believe the lie."

While that isn't exactly a wrong take, it's still really messed up. It's not okay for people to use Marinette's name like that just because she's famous. The reason she needs to learn to let it go is because that's what's best for her mental health, not because her fame makes her lesser than others when it comes to things like personal privacy. The lies are not magically okay just because she's well known.

Remember, Marinette is a fictional character, but the kids watching this show are very real and they're way more likely to be Lilas than Marinettes. And the kids that do relate to Marinette in this episode? They'll be kids who have dealt with the rumor mill spreading lies about them or their friends without the celebrity complication. The show should not be telling either set of kids that Marinette is the one in the wrong here. That is the wrong moral and why I hate this episode so much. I might feel differently if the intended audience was teens and if this plot was allowed to be more complex, but none of that is true. The show is aimed at kids ages 5 to 12 and every episode is supposed to teach its own moral with Volpina's moral being "Marinette was explicitly and totally in the wrong here."

This is the age of internet personalities where there are more easily-accessible celebrities than ever and where many of them do not have the wealth needed to protect themselves from fans nor the PR training to know how to handle extreme fans if there even is PR training for that! That means that it's honestly really important for kids to learn to view these individuals as people who it's wrong to lie about and who deserve the same respect as non-famous people. Treating celebrities as public commodities is how we get things like the Kit Connor scandal where an 18-year-old actor felt forced to publicly come out because the internet wouldn't shut up about his sexuality. Oh, and since you brought up one direction, I'll also note that the band members have publicly stated that online shipping discourse has negatively impacted their relationships. So, yeah, I'm never going to agree that kids should be told that it's okay to lie about celebrities or treat them as fictional characters to play with and that the celebrities are the ones who are wrong if they get upset about that behavior. That shit is toxic.

If we go the "minor" lie route, then my version of this episode would be a very sad one where Marinette learns that people are going to ignore her boundaries and lie about her and there's nothing she can do about it. A lesson in mental health training that will hopefully help kids who are dealing with bullies, but that does not present Marinette as totally in the wrong. It just teaches her when to pick a fight and when to let it go, which is a very important skill to learn even outside of lies about your own person. There will be many times when you hear people say something that you vehemently disagree with and it's important to learn when to pick a fight and when to just let it go, knowing that no good will come from speaking up even if you're 100% in the right. It's a very sad, but also very necessary skill.

I think Adrien has a place in that story. A place where he still tells Ladybug to let it go, but it should NOT have been played the way it was in canon where he acted like Ladybug was totally out of line. He needed to be way more compassionate and understanding of her very justified anger. I've written Adrien giving advice on this topic before and it's always presented as, "people are going to be assholes and you have to learn to ignore them for your own well being," not as, "you are wrong to be upset about strangers telling lies about you. You agreed to deal with this when you decided to be a hero" because what kind of asinine lesson is that?

You could also keep Adrien's canon reaction and have the lesson be him learning that it's okay to have boundaries. That his fame doesn't negate his bodily autonomy and right to be treated with dignity. That people chasing him down, invading his personal space, and otherwise preventing him from living a normal life is wrong. I love it when fanfics take this approach to Adrien's part in the Lila conflict. It's very cathartic to see his friends supporting him and protecting him from Lila.

I really have tried to see Volpina from the "Marinette was totally in the wrong" perspective because I've come across it several times, but I just can't wrap my head around it. If you've got a counter argument, then feel free to try to change my mind because I've given you my full thoughts here, but know that I'm probably not budging on this one. You'd have to make some pretty dramatic changes to canon for me to feel like this take has a point. I think the only way that I'd be on Lila's side is if it was very clear that no one believed Lila and Marinette still had the same reaction that we see in canon as that does feel like going too far. But everyone believed Lila so that's not a solid argument and I'm just never going to agree that people have to be cool with others lying about them just because they're famous. I honestly despise celebrity culture so much and hate that people are basically forced to deal with that bullshit if they want to be successful in certain artistic fields.

[savebylou]

Now that it's been two weeks, I think enough time has passed for me to say what's been on my mind about the whole situation.

Zayn Malik has absolutely no right to act like he's "devastated" or "heartbroken" over the loss of Liam Payne. They were not good friends, and it was mostly because of Zayn's behaviour.

He has no right to act like he lost a brother when for years they hardly spoke. Now he feels sorry? I don't buy it, sounds like he's just saying that to look better in the media. He doesn't actually care.

Same way he didn't care when Liam was alive and the same way he doesn't care about the remaining 3 that are still alive.

I roll my eyes whenever that post comes back on my timeline of a source close to him saying "they aren't leaving him alone at this time." "He's in bits over this loss"

Hi anon. I don't know if you are sending me this so I can share my thoughts about your pov or if you are hoping that I agree with you. I disagree with you but I'm hoping that maybe sharing my thoughts can make you see other perspective.

I think when it comes to the boys there is one thing that is very clear to me: we don't know nothing of what happens behind the scenes. We know their public interactions but we don't know how much they have been in contact over the years and what happen between them. We really don't know how much in contact was Zayn with Liam after the hiatus and I don't want to speculate about it because of what I mention before.

I think anyone has the right to grief the loss of a person, especially if that person you know them for a period of time, doesn't matter how close or far apart your relationship became, the memories, bond and frienship still existed and the person impact your life.

All the boys had share how they are the only ones that know what they went through and how they have this bond for life. They live so many good and bad experiences, they know how much pain they went through, they so each other grow and struggle, they achieve so many wonderful things etc.

The friendship between Liam and Zayn during 1D was very obvious and they seem to be very close to each other. Liam look like Zayn's best friend to my eyes. I think that regardless of what happen after, he totally has the right to grief this loss. I do think he is suffering this loss as much as the other boys, they all are grieving more that we can imagine and all of them in a different way because everyone had a different relationship with Liam and grieving is a different experience for each person.

This was nothing that anyone expected. This is a huge loss for all of them, because when you think of One Direction you think of 5 members and regardless of how they talk or not now, I think eventually they were planing to find each other maybe just in private or in public we will never know, but now that future of the 5 of them being together again is vanish. The future of talking, find each other, grow old together, collab or visit each other is gone and that is a lot to process and grief.

About looking good in the media I personally think that Zayn has show over the years that he doesn't care about the press and do his own thing. He have the option to no post and grief in private, but he wanted to share a part of his grief with the public and honoring Liam.

I don't know if the media sources are legit or not but I do believe what Zayn share. About Zayn and the other boys we really don't know how is their relationship before what happen with Liam and after. Niall comment in 2023 that the group chat was active, but we don't know if Zayn was in there, we don't know if the boys have talk in private over the years, so we really can't be sure of anything unless they comment about it.

I do think is a possibility that maybe they all see each other again to say goodbye to Liam which is something so devastating to think about. Regardless I hope they are talking all of them and finding the support that they need in each other because this grief and bond only them will understand it.

I hope that my answer makes you see another perspective. I think is better to approach this grief with kidness, the world lost an incredible person, we need more love and understanding in this world to keep processing this grief.

Sorry if this is not the answer that you were looking for. I hope you have a lovely day/afternoon/night.

[zot3-flopped]

"Harry helped to actually keep all of them down and make sure the industry kept them in the dark to favour him." (goongiveusnothing) OH FUCK OFF

My observation of how Harry behaves or doesn't behave towards the others is this:

He knew from quite early on that he was the most popular. In the band, he didn't milk that, and he never acknowledged it. Since then if it's been addressed in interviews, he ignores the questions and redirects the focus. He did start dressing differently once Harry Lambert was involved, but that's it. There is no end of shade he could have directed at all the others and he didn't and does not.

He waited till April 2017 to release a single. He didn't craft it to be a better version of what anyone else was doing. There wasn't even a radio cut of SOTT. Had he wanted to 'keep all of them down' he could have released a pop hit but actually, he held off and released something that wouldn't compete. Was that him giving everyone time and space to do their thing? He will never tell. It's an interpretation, though. (One of many, I admit!)

He's never talked about Larry except that mealy-mouthed roundabout answer (that was still a clear no!) when someone suggested Sweet Creature was about Louis. So we know that a lot of Larries will ignore his words regardless, as they do with Louis, but if Harry weighed in on Larry, Louis would have lost some fans, which he couldn't afford. That's just how Louis' fanbase shook down at the end of 1D. Harry could have kept Louis down by losing him fans if he said Larry was all bullshit. An easy win, if he wanted to win.

He mentions the others so rarely by name. What would happen if he did? A big old Harry Styles headline and more reunion talk in the press. It's my belief that Harry isn't hankering after a reunion, so he doesn't want that to overshadow his solo work. But the others have all had solo work as well, and if you notice, they don't bring up the reunion either: it is the interviewers. It's not just him trying to achieve space between 1D and solo work, they are all doing it. The exception was Liam and that's just a sad story, he needed the mentions and the connection, for himself if not for his work.

The simple fact about Harry is he looks the part, he seems to enjoy dressing the part, he and his people make music that the GP like as well as 1D stans, and that is that. He has aged into a face and a body that's intensely appealing to a lot of women of all ages. He doesn't talk too much, he is an enigma, and he seems to be lovely to people when he does talk. Fgs, he is hardly keeping anyone down through good looks and good manners lol. He is not wearing a sparkly jumpsuit with his pecs out in order to make Niall, Louis, Liam and Zayn look bad.

(I'm sorry this is so long, it is just such a stupid idea, I don't even know why I wasted my time writing it out, that person is a total lost cause.)

👏👏👏 Agree that if Harry really wanted to 'keep the others down' there's plenty he could have said. A hint that he found one of them difficult to get along with, or favouring one member's solo music over the others in a big interview. He never did.

I've wondered for a while where the extreme rage and bitterness on that Nothing account comes from, and finally we know. She's a Louis Tomlinson fan. Unfortunately for her, Harry lives a quiet, blameless life, so she has to focus on things that make her look ridiculous - endless obsessing over his hair, for instance.

[walkingintheheartbreaksatellite]

Hiiiii there! I really liked your Meltdown one shot! It made me think about Save My Life and if you wanted could you write something about that song? I had an idea but you don't have to do it. But what if Niall is having a hard time after 1D break up and when he meets y/n she basically gives him the motivation and encouragement to write his own songs and have a solo career?? Only if you want to do that or even write it.

Thank you so much lovely!!! That means so much!!!🥹 I hope this is everything you hoped for! I do try when writing for this precious baby.

Save My Life

Niall Horan x Reader

Summary- Niall was depressed. He was lacking motivation and he wasn’t sure what to do anymore. But one day, he meets someone who just might save him.

(Wrote this in Niall’s pov so I hope it’s okay!)

Niall’s POV

January 2016, London

It had been a long couple months since we agreed to take a hiatus, and the boys all got to work on their own thing. But me? I don’t even know where to start… It came so easy to me before and now? I can’t even think.

I decided to get out for a bit, and visit a new pub Harry had been telling me about. I decide to take a walk there, needing the fresh air after being trapped inside in an attempt to write.

I enter the almost empty pub and I’m greeted by the most beautiful girl I’ve ever seen. She smiles at me and my stomach fills with butterflies, something that hasn’t happened in a very long time.

“Hey! What can I get for you?”

I smile and take a seat across from her at the bar.

“Just a pint of Guinness, please.”

She smiles and makes it quickly before she slides it over to me.

“Would you like to start a tab?”

I think about it for a second before nodding.

“Yeah I think so. But shouldn’t you check my ID?”

She giggles and shakes her head before giving me a smile.

“No need. I know who you are, Niall. I know you’re old enough. But not like in a bad way because you’re not old-I mean not that I have a problem with older people but…Sorry I’m just rambling now.”

I laugh and shake my head.

“No worries. I appreciate it. What was your name? I don’t think I caught it.”

She smiles and her eyes glow in the light.

“That would be because I never gave it to you. It’s Y/N.”

I tilt a pretend hat and she lets out another beautiful laugh.

“So what’s a girl like you doing working here, Y/N?”

She dries another glass as she looks back at me.

“Just putting myself through school. Going to school overseas isn’t cheap and I’ve got aspirations in life. What about you, Mr. Pop star? Surely you’ve got plenty going on but yet you’re in a bar by yourself on a Wednesday night.”

I let out a sigh and I grip my glass with both hands.

“I guess it’s just been hard since the band went on hiatus. The boys are starting to all branch out and do their own things and I… don’t know. I’ve got so much pent up creativity and no idea how to get it out.”

She nods and puts her rag down before she leans on her elbows and looks at me.

“So you’re in a creative funk and you’re unsure if you can actually do it? Here’s my advice. Don’t compare yourself to others. You’re your own person, Niall. Not Harry, not Louis, you’re Niall. And that is enough. Do what feels right.”

I smile a little and nod.

“Are you in school to be a therapist, Y/N? You’d make a great one.”

She laughs and shakes her head.

“Actually, I want to be a writer. But for now, bartending keeps a roof over my head. I’m glad to be of help though. Got some inspiration ?”

I nod with a big smile. I finish my drink and slide a few pounds to her.

“Thanks Y/N. I think I should get to it before I lose the lightbulb!”

She nods and waves. Her smile is the last thing I see before I turn my back to her and I’m out the door, heading home.

October 19th, 2017

I storm into the pub, as usual, but this time, I’m not as calm as I usually am.

“Y/N! Y/N, you have to help me! I’m freaking out!”

She raises a brow and sets down her rag as I walk up to the counter.

“Niall? What’s wrong? Why do you look so upset? Shouldn’t you be getting ready for your listening party?”

I shake my head and place my hands on the counter,

“I can’t. I’m freaking out! They’re gonna hate it! I’m gonna fail and it’s-.”

She places her hands on my shoulders and it grabs my attention.

“Calm down. You’re gonna do great! Your music is so unique, Niall. No one could be like you. You are one of a kind, Niall Horan. Your fans are going to love your album just as much as they love you. So don’t worry, okay? It’ll be great.”

I let out a sigh and I give her a small smile.

“Would you… Would you come with me? I- I really want you to be there…”

Her eyes widen and her mouth drops.

“A-Are you sure? I don’t want to impose-.”

I smile and shake my head.

“I want you there, Y/N. You’re my friend. Of course I want you there!”

She sighs and I smile, pulling her around the pub and out the door before she can argue.

>>>———————->

August 2018

I’m finally home from tour, or at least back in London, and the first place I go is the pub. As soon as I walk in, Y/N’s eyes train on me immediately. Her eyes light up and she runs through the empty room and pounces on me, hugging me tight.

“Niall! Oh my god! You’re back!”

I smile and nod, hugging her right before pulling away.

“I missed you, Y/N. I really did. Talking on the phone wasn’t enough…”

She looks at me confused and I let out a sigh.

“Y/N… I have feelings for you. I’ve never felt this way before… With anyone. I-I think I love you. A-And I understand if you don’t feel the same but-.”

Before I can say anything else, she cuts me off and surprised me with a kiss. I melt into her touch, pulling her closer to me as our lips move in sync until she finally pulls away with a smile.

“I love you, Niall. I feel the exact same.”

I hug her tight and hold her close, afraid to let go.

>>>——————->

March 22nd, 2020

I hear the front door open as I slump on the couch in the living room of my London home. Y/N comes in, a worried expression on her face.

“Niall…”

I hold my arms open to her and she climbs in my lap, laying her head on my chest. She lays her legs across my lap and I instinctively wrap my arms around her.

“They had to let me go… A-And your album! You were gonna tour with Lewis! A-And now-.”

I let out a small fry as I hold her close, running my fingers through her hair.

“I-I know, Petal. But it’ll be okay… I hope… You’ll move in with me. We’ll quarantine together. That way you can focus on school and you won’t have to look for another job. Okay? Does… Does that sound okay?”

She’s quiet for a minute before she nods against my chest. Things were rough, but at least I had her.

>>>——————->

June 2020

I sit at the piano, agonizingly as I attempt to be productive. Quiet patter of feet echos through the house until I feel someone sit next to me on the bench. Y/N. I turn my attention to her and she runs her fingers through my hair.

“You okay? I could hear you dropping f bombs all the way from our room.”

I sigh and shake my head.

“I-I’m frustrated, Y/N. I’m tired of this… I didn’t get to tour and I just- I don’t know… The most I can do is go live on Instagram… that’s not exactly a concert…”

She kisses my cheek and I sigh again.

“You’ll be able to put in your show, I promise. You’re doing what you can right now and that’s all we can do, babe. It’ll come to you. But you don’t have to do it alone. I’ll be here. Every step.”

I smile and peck her lips.

“I think you saved my life, Y/N. And you do every day.”

She pecks my lips a few times and loops an arm through mine.

“And you saved mine.”

The next day

I find myself back at the piano and for the first time since lockdown started… I feel inspired. Extremely inspired. I want to write a show.

>>>————————->

January 2023

“Please Niall? You said you finished it! I want to listen! I love your music! You know I do!”

I laugh and shake my head as Y/N clings to me with a pout.

“I’m sorry Petal, but I can’t do that. You’ll just have to wait like everyone else.”

She puts more and lets me go, folding her arms across her chest as she slumps on our bed.

“I should write a column on boyfriends keeping secrets from their girlfriends. I’ll get a lot of hits since YOU’RE KEEPING IT A SECRET FROM ME.”

I laugh and shake my head as I take my place next to her on the bed, taking her hand in mine.

“I promise, it will be worth the wait. Can you do that for me, Y/N? Just hold on a little longer. 5 months then it’s all yours.”

She sighs and squeezes my hand, giving me a small smile.

>>>———————->

June 9th, 2023

“Niall, please? It’s the release day! I just want to listen to it! I’ve only heard the bits you’ve teased!”

I laugh and shake my head, taking a seat next to her on the couch as I pull an AirPod out of the case and I place it in her ear.

“You can listen but I want you to listen to this one first. This album… I’m so proud of this one. This is everything I’ve ever wanted to make. And it’s all thanks to you. This is save my life.”

I hit play on my phone and she smiles as it begins to play.

Eyes are bloomin'

The floor is shakin'

Walls are movin'

Feelings changin' now

So, I'm rolling through it

Like I'm floatin' ten feet above the ground

As you float up to me

I just gotta tell you now

Ever since you walked in

I'm seein' a new light

Ever since you walked in

It's startin' to feel like

You might save my life

She tears up as she listens and before it’s over, I pull out the AirPod, much to her protest.

“Niall! I was-.”

I pull her into my arms and place my lips on hers, pecking her lips a few times before I whisper to her.

“You saved my life.”

She smiles and pecks my lips, cuddling up in my arms. I was lost before I met her. But she saved my life.

>>>—————————->

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[scriptapermahrukh]

Now that it's been two weeks, I think enough time has passed for me to say what's been on my mind about the whole situation.

Zayn Malik has absolutely no right to act like he's "devastated" or "heartbroken" over the loss of Liam Payne. They were not good friends, and it was mostly because of Zayn's behaviour.

He has no right to act like he lost a brother when for years they hardly spoke. Now he feels sorry? I don't buy it, sounds like he's just saying that to look better in the media. He doesn't actually care.

Same way he didn't care when Liam was alive and the same way he doesn't care about the remaining 3 that are still alive.

I roll my eyes whenever that post comes back on my timeline of a source close to him saying "they aren't leaving him alone at this time." "He's in bits over this loss"

So first of all I will say that everyone has the right to have their own opinions and views on any matter .

Secondly if you're asking me, then I will say I don't agree with your point of view .

Every 1D member has had problems in different regards in the past - we can't just not acknowledge them.

Some opened up about their struggles and some didn't. Zayn was one of them .

Zayn being devastated is clearly justified as he really did lose a brother as every one of us know how close he and Payne were .

The most heartfelt notes were written by Louis and Zayn as they mourned him in a more personal way in front of the world. And clearly my this statement doesn't say in anyway that Niall and Harry aren't mourning him.

Again some people show and some don't.

If they themselves can let go of their past grievances and just remember the good time they spent together, we should too.

They know they were immature and do acknowledge it.

What happened afterwards was a mixture of adult problems, misunderstandings and not being able to find their footing in this world yet.

To disregard a person's feelings completely just because they didn't talk anymore or that they didn't see eye to eye is so very wrong on so many levels.

Like if I don't like my brothers sometimes, it doesn't mean I don't love them enough or that I wouldn't be devastated by their death. I hope you will keep in regard people's feeling next time.

We never know anyone's state of mind and their thoughts.

On a side note, Liam was the most kind and funny person and he didn't get enough love and support that we should have given him .. I had recently started following his every post and story for the past 2 to 3 months and I was so happy that he was making time for us.

Gracias

xx

[campbyler]

the perks of being european: u can start ur day with beautiful new 30k chapter 🙏🏻♥️

i admire everyone who read this chapter in less than an hour. u guys r insane. it took me like 2,5 hours to read it but i have to stop to scream into my pillow.

mike and will r so.. idek how to describe them. scared? they r not stupid cause in both povs we see that they realize that their dynamic has shifted.

like will observed in the vending machine scene their kisses became more soft? romantic? u can tell that they r not just attracted to each other physically they really like to spend time together.

the stargazing, the hand holding, the longing stares omg. i get why mike wouldn't go further. even if those feelings aren’t new the circumstances r and it Is scary considering their complicated history. (unrelated but i hope history by 1d is on the master playlist 😭)

we actually got to see that mike feels the same when he got upset that will said the “wither away” thing. that so like their pre isolation cabin selfs - insults each other just to control the urge to start making out 😭 glad that will didn’t control it this time and i can bark cause of kissing shoulder scene.

poor will almost had a stroke cause of mikes edward cullenofication And his best friend only made it worst with her deductive skills. but i think max dropped this conversation too fast. i have a feeling that it will come out after some time. it must be so scary for will to open up like that especially, if i remember correctly, nobody really knows what actually happened between he and mike. also “i don't wanna keep secrets just to keep u”.

i loved el and her dedication to all the good stuff she can eat. i bet she’d murder that one poor little camper who would take the last pancake 💔

and i Really liked that little dad son bonding moment. van camping doesn’t sound that bad for me will!!! at least u don’t have to sleep outside 😭

“twenty stitches in a hospital room” and it actually two band-aids in the middle of the forest. at least we know that poor mike won’t get a gangrene 💔

will feeling better when he’s around mike even if he does such an unpleasant thing as wilderness week. what if i die?

“Really – now that the beast has been vanquished, what’s the worst that could happen?” the phrase after which nothing never goes wrong 🙏🏻 im not scared at all 🙏🏻

i also have a question about chapter playlist. how do u guys choose song for each chapter? does the person who write this chapter does all by themself? or u brainstorm the best songs from the master playlist altogether? have u ever added the song to the chapter playlist even if it wasn’t in the main one?

thank u for the chapter suni! i hope ur feeling better and im giving u ur favorite soup 🫂

sorry for such messy comment it turned out so long and i feel like i didn’t write the half of the things i thought about 😭

hi alya! sorry it took me one million years to answer this ask but it was so thoughtful and thorough that i wanted to wait until i had the time to do it justice with the response 🫡🫡

first, i am sooooo so glad you liked chapter 7 because it was insanely fun for me to write! really enjoyed writing it and their shifting dynamic and i’m super glad that came through! you’re so right in saying that neither of them is stupid enough to Not notice how things are changing between them, and they both are definitely coming to terms with the realization that they do enjoy each other’s company in a way that is more than just physical. i think for meeee one of the most fun things abt this chapter was writing the different ways they approached that realization, especially from will’s pov. the feelings definitely are not new for either of them, which i think is pretty obvious by this point in the fic, but both of them are used to turbulence and are anticipating that and don’t really know what to do without it! super glad you picked up on mike’s hesitation as well — i think people tend to characterize our mike as “all in” or a lot more open about his feelings than will is, which is true to an extent, but he has his limitations just as much as will does and maybe even more at times.

anyways all that to say that i’m really glad that the chapter came through the way i was intending! the other parts of it were so fun to write as well — the hopper and will moment, el and max, so on and so forth. re max: it definitely is very hard for will to say the things he’s feeling to her, and battling with not wanting to keep such a big secret from his best friend vs not wanting to betray the newfound trust between him and mike is absolutely something he has been struggling with. very excited to see how that plays out hehe ( <- knows exactly how it will play out)

as for your last question, we have a couple initial songs for every chapter that have been in the playlist doc for a while, usually the “main” song for that chapter, but it’s pretty much up to whoever is writing to choose the rest of the songs and move them around/add and remove as desired! we try to keep it about 5-6 songs per chapter to keep the playlist from getting monstrous (bar some very Long and Dense chapters that are getting more) but what we do is we assemble the chapter playlist as we write and then let the others know in case there is a song that someone thinks doesn’t fit or has a better suggestion for. we’ve absolutely added songs that aren’t in the master playlist before, especially ones we stumble across and realize would be perfect for a chapter.

so sorry for taking forever to answer this and then writing an absolute essay in this response 😭 thanks soooo much for the love alya we appreciate you sm 🫶🏽🫶🏽

[twopoppies]

Hi Gina. It just hit me that if Harry was bisexual he would have CO at the beginning of his solo career because there is 0% chance that his team wouldn't have capitalized off it - they capitalize off everything else so why not that? Lol. He would have been encouraged to CO and it would have been a huge boost to his image because he would have appealed to women, men, straights and gays - everyone. He did seem ready to CO after 1D, and when he recorded Medicine the media was reporting that it was a bisexual song and it was his CO... but something changed and the articles were then buried. There's been plenty of times he could have CO as queer, easily with Medicine or even Lights Up. He wouldn't have lost any fans, he would have gained them. They've been pushing this ambiguous image for the whole of his career when it would have been easier for him to just CO as queer, he would have gained more from that. But the fact that he hasn't done it by now when he's had multiple opportunities tells me that he's not in the closet because he's bisexual, it's because he's gay. Being gay isn't as appealing to women (obviously) and he would lose a lot of fans. Although other musicians and actors who have CO have all said that it was worth the career hit, and nowadays it isn't quite as career damaging as it was before. I don't think Harry is in the closet necessarily for privacy reasons because you can CO and still have a private life. I don't know why people take that comment as gospel while dismissing everything else he says. To me it's just a reminder to the gp that he has a private life that is different to his public life. Maybe his closet is more down to the fact that he doesn't like lying and he does it sparingly, which is why he doesn't do many interviews and the ones he does around promo are usually so scripted. So him CO as queer or bisexual wouldn't feel true to himself as a gay man. So maybe he's waiting until he can CO with Louis or another man and not half assed do it. I'm not saying he'll never CO as queer/bi as that is an easier option considering how many beards he has had, but him not doing it much sooner could be down to it not ringing true to him.

Hi sweetheart. I think when he started playing Medicine in concert in 2018 there was a definite push from his team to mark it as a “bisexual anthem”. There were too many articles in major publications at the time for it not to have been syndicated.

Maybe that was seeding an outing that didn’t happen, or maybe they were using the fact that Harry was never going to address it directly to fuel speculation. That way he doesn’t lie, he doesn’t come out, but he’s piqued the interest of queer fans and people who think he’s closeted, still maintains the interest of straight/bi women, and anyone who refuses the idea of him being queer will dig their heels in and battle everyone over it. Voila! Very little risked, very few fans lost, lots of people talking about him, he gets to dress and behave a little more flamboyant when he wants to because now maybe he’s bisexual, and his private life stays private.

As for whether he actually is bisexual, I personally don’t get that impression, but it doesn’t matter to me. He’s somewhere on the spectrum of queer. That seems really clear to me.

And why hasn’t he come out? I don’t think we can possibly guess and I really don’t think we should, TBH. Only he knows what he wants to do and why he’s doing things the way he is. But even if he never discusses his sexuality or who he’s dating, it would make such a difference to see the end of him having these embarrassing PR relationships. But that’s the fan in me talking. His team may feel differently. 🫤

[letstalkshipping]

*ahem*

I know I'm not active on here at the moment (a personal choice) but I had to come back to vent about something. No surprise here, but it's about the unexpected recent death of Liam Payne.

I was never a Directioner, but 1D are so deeply ingrained in the popular culture of my generation that this still made a huge impact on me when I heard the news just now. I also recently watched a video by Film Cooper about Liam being a douche lately so that was extremely fresh in my mind, whereas I wouldn't have known much about this particular member of One Direction before that.

At first I couldn't believe it was true, but after reading the news reports, it made some more sense.

And while this news is distressing and pitiable, the actual death is not what makes me mad and brings me to type viciously on my keyboard here. The reason for that is the life that Liam was living before he died. There is a certain look that celebrities sometimes get that scares me. Liam started looking like Johnny Depp. Power corrupts, but fame destroys. These 1D members were practically kids when they became famous. And they weren't from families with parents who were in the spotlight, who could have known the pitfalls of this lifestyle and given them some clues and guidance along the way. What I'm saying is that often, people do NOT HAVE THE TRAINING to manage global fame and success and the problems it can bring.

But to another point I have... I am a Christian and I do believe that we live in a world with a spiritual dimension. I believe that there are good and bad spirits and forces at work all around the world, in a variety of different forms. And I also believe that God is the one who should be worshiped. To this point, I see superstars with superfans as an example of idolatry. (And as an avid fan of various famous people, yes, I confess to this sin myself.) These people are worshipped by others, and not one of them that I could think of off the top of my head reflects that worship back to the one who created them. [Letitia Wright was an outspoken Christian actress and guess what happened to her! The whole "Covid" thing where they were forcing people to be vaccinated left her without work and as the but of a lot of ill will because she took a stand for something counter-culture. Yeah, in this industry, a Christian doesn't get very far.] Instead, there is another force at work mentioned in this Bible verse... "Wherein in time past you walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience..."

So, someone who is fully seeking their own worship, denying all trace of God in their life and living it up in 'the devil's playground' of this world as it seems Liam was doing... don't you think it might be reasonable to say that Satan was having his way with him? I wonder that about certain celebrities I see and there are TONS of examples from the past of people getting their time of fame and then ending up as absolute destroyed wrecks, including many suicides, early deaths, and substance addictions etc. Because Satan IS a manipulator. He started at the Garden of Eden and he's still working his tricks. He offered Eve knowledge and wisdom and the beautiful looking fruit in the garden. He offers people now fame and high-profile or multiple relationships, and money and 'the perfect body' and everything else that's shiny... But he is also a destroyer. Liam isn't really famous anymore. He's been called a "washed up star." What if the Devil was finished with him and decided to pull the rug on the deception? Look at Harry... There's something weird going on there, in my opinion. I think he's a current pawn of darkness. Do you really think he will end up having a fulfilling long-term relationship and settling down with a family or something where he could do good in the world and staying healthy for many years to come? It doesn't seem likely to me. And people will call it "the industry" and to an extent it is, but I think it is also the darkness at work behind these things.

With that being true, I still also think part of this is the lack of guidance and training for people who are thrust into the limelight. I mean, people go to college for 3-8 years to be qualified for their career paths. These kids had nothing like that. I don't think fame should be this polarized and extreme. I don't think it is ever healthy for the person receiving the fame. When people work hard during their younger years building up an acting profile until they get a big break later on after milder doses of success, that's different. That means there can be some maturity and experience and understanding about how to manage such insane things, but otherwise, I think it can lead to such issues. And having such success and fame also comes with free access to money and all it can buy. Which includes alcohol and drugs, which, as we know, contributed over a period of time to the life I mentioned that Payne was living, and possibly eventually his death.

In conclusion, this news is gut-wrenching, but not entirely shocking. I hope this message might get someone else thinking about these things, and reconsidering how our society looks at celebrities and fame. It's not normal, natural, or needed. Be real.

[gracefullou]

"For the millionth time, i didn't say anything that she hasn't said it herself in that video"

You can say that a million-and-one times and it still won't be true.

She never once said she did what he asked because he was famous. You made that up.

She did not contradict herself.

She didn't imply that she was well aware of his intentions. She actually said the opposite. She said she was a Liam Payne fan and she was delusional and she believed she would be his girlfriend, and he was manipulating her.

And the reason I am messaging you is because I believe that when a fan comes forward and says that a singer manipulated them into sending explicit pictures of themselves, and another person says "No he didn't, she knew what she was doing", it's important to call that person out.

She said "i would send them bc i was like it's Liam Payne i'm gonna send them". Not Liam, not my favorite 1D member, not my idol. Liam Payne which to me implies that she meant It's Liam Payne, a celebrity.

"It's Liam Payne i'm gonna send them". If she thinks it's normal and there's nothing creepy there why, would she reason that he's Liam Payne to make her send them? I mean, c'mon celebrity or not its' weird that someone asks you for explicit photos and videos after a short conversation .

Her being delusional and wanting to live her Wattpad fantasies and be a boybander's girlfriend at the age of 24 is partly on her sorry. She didn't even say that he promised her that so it was all in her head.

She continued to do this for two whole years knowing he had a girlfriend (s)

Until the ask before this one, I didn't see the end of the video where she said he manipulated and he was harrassing her

"... And then it turned into him asking me, explicit videos and photos and i would send them bc i was like it's Liam Payne i'm gonna send them. Like this was me being delusional at age 24- 25. And this went on for two years and this was during times when he was in relationships, having babies. He was messaging me. Like two weeks after his baby was born, he messaged me to send explicit photos. And just to clarify, he never gave me anything in return and i kept this a secret for so long like i didn't tell anyone bc i wanted him to like me, i wanted him to message me. I thought i was gonna be his next gf you know?" This is the exact quote for what I was talking about and you obviously disagree but i don't see any implied manipulation here. She straight out sent him her explicit photos and videos because he was "Liam Payne" whatever that means and she wanted to be his gf

As i said since the first ask i'm in noway defending Liam's behavior. Celebrities using their status and fame to ask for such favors is truly disgusting and Liam is an abuser so it's even worse.

I believe what she said has happened and never said she was lying but according to what she said in the beginning of the video, she willingly sent those pics no manipulation needed.

And i didn't say he didn't manipulate her (or at least try to). I said that she said she sent them bc it's Liam Payne. She said it this simply. She didn't say i was pressured or manipulated to do it. So what do you want me to think exactly? Millions of people do these things for celebrities only bc of their fame, doesn't mean they're all abused and manipulated. They just have a thing for fame. She didn't mention any manipulation until later in the video (which i didn't see at first) so that's why i said she wasn't manipulated and i still think that her tone and what she says towards the end is contradictory to what she said in the beginning.

I'm sorry but i still don't get all those messages to me specifically, i have been calling out Liam (even though i don't give a damn about him) since Maya's blurb for her book. And even for this one, i called his behavior. I think you should've spent all this energy somewhere else

And when you want to call someone out come off anon. You'll be taken way more seriously then.

Finally, putting an end on this topic now. It was discussed way more than i intended to

[wishingicouldfly]

Debunking that Louis came out to the Rovers in August 2013 - posted January 11, 2023

I don't necessarily want to rehash old stuff, but I've seen a few people talking about this recently and it came up in one of my group chats this morning. I like context and I like to debunk things that aren't true about the boys.

This morning in one of my group chats someone brought up an OLD OLD OLD question. The story goes that in 2013, when Louis was signing on to the Doncaster Rovers as part of the reserve team for a charity gig, some of his football teammates congratulated him for being one of the UK’s first openly gay footballers. There are tweets that purportedly support this story.

It didn’t make sense to me that in 2013, Louis was coming out publicly to anyone in a group setting, and I had a bit of time, so decided to go down the rabbit hole a bit to find out more.

If you weren’t aware, a bit later in 2014, Louis tried to buy into the team. One Direction's Louis Tomlinson buys Doncaster Rovers | Doncaster Rovers | The Guardian

Disclaimer. I wasn’t here then. So, someone knows more than me for sure. Let me know if you remember something different or if you were here and can clarify, or if you know of anyone who has a master post about it.

Adding a cut.

Here's what started my research. This is a screen shot from someone claiming that Louis came out to his Rovers Teammates and that some of them congratulated him, mentioning that he was the first openly gay UK footballer, and then immediately deleted their tweets.

This screen shot is blurry but it’s what we started with. The poster states that Louis came out to his teammates through a loophole.

Through some searching, I was able to find someone with a better screen shot. Credit to Twitter user @/babyhykeem. You can see better here that these tweets existed. In August 2013, people were repeating the idea that Louis was the first openly gay UK footballer.

My original theory that they were faked or manips seems false. The tweets happened. Some of those users are still there and if you put "Louis Tomlinson first gay footballer" into the Twitter search bar you'll get a bunch of hits/reactions from August 3, 2013, so it happened.

Here's the thing. Just because something happened doesn't make all of it true. It doesn't make any sense that in 2013, at the height of 1D popularity, that Louis would in any way publicly announce his sexuality. Gay rumors were rampant, but no one was confirming anything.

One of my chat members (thanks, @/DawnieP12 on Twitter) looked at the team roster from 2013-2014. Louis was listed as #28, but none of those other names in that screen shot are listed. So these people were not teammates.

A bit more searching, and I found these screenshots of Tweets from a person called @/Ryan67_ (thanks to Twitter user @/monnbenn for the screenshots).

This looks like ground zero to me. On 8/1/13, this kid posts the "inadvertently came out" post that got picked up by all the other accounts. He was a player on one of the youth leagues and someone told him that L had come out. It was a rumor/gossip and the kid posted it. Maybe innocently. Maybe he made it up. We don't know. Maybe he believed something he was told. It's important to note that he never claimed to witness it himself.

There are allusions to these tweets on Tumblr and Twitter from the time as well as in football chat groups (some of them are super homophobic). But nothing that I can find from actual players to whom he supposedly came out.

My final analysis: The Tweets about Louis coming out to the team and being the first openly gay footballer WERE real, but they were not made by teammates, coworkers or colleagues, only propagated by people (possibly shading, you decide based on their tone) sharing a rumor/gossip started by a kid who was playing on the youth team and was given false information.

Some of the reactions seem well intentioned and honestly congratulatory, while some seem homophobic and mean spirited. Regardless, they all are feeding off something that was very likely false to begin with.

I'm not making any statements about how Louis identifies his sexuality either now or in 2013, just that I don't believe he came out to the team, or that any of the team made statements about his sexuality publicly.

If someone has a memory of this or knows something more, please don't hesitate to let me know here or on Twitter @Rosann_1986.

As always, there's always a chance I'm wrong, and I will willingly admit being wrong should alternative information become available.

[policemanofprincesspark]

If you were in charge of overhauling Louis' aesthetic for LT3 what would you suggest?

(Clothes/shoes/hair/artwork and colours for album and adverts/ poses and expressions in photos/to smoke or not to smoke)

For Walls & Fitf we got an unsmiling Louis on the album cover looking serious. Colours were fairly muted on Walls and on Fitf tended towards goth/emo with a lot of orange and red.

In my ideal world, Louis would go back to the theatrics and be fun again.

It still comes out once in a while, but he seems more stiff on stage as a solo artist than he was in 1D. In fact, he seemed to have a lot more confidence back then. Maybe it was because he didn't want to fade into the background and he had to compete with the others for attention. I don't know.

When it comes to clothing, I'd love it if he leaned more into mod style. Whenever he puts in effort, that tends to be the style he goes for. Rather than the bunched-up trackie bottoms and black tank-tops, he could stop sleeping in late and get back to this stuff:

I think it suits him and it's what he likes. Louis isn't the type of guy, at least as far as anyone is aware, who is into skirts or dresses, but his clothing style (when he tries) still looks very, very camp.

I'd also suggest he get his ears pierced to add a little more flair since he doesn't really accessorize. I've always thought earrings would look nice on him.

As for hair, he's had that bowl-cut look since he was a teenager. I don't hate it. I think that also looks camp, since it isn't like those really short and boring hairstyles that most hetero men favor. But I think Louis needs someone around to style it better. Like, this is him when he doesn't style it (which makes it look... not camp):

And this is him when he does style it, which does in fact look camp!:

I'd also prefer he stay clean-shaven, and, if not, then groom your facial hair! Make it look neat. It's the difference between these two images:

Though he should preferably stay clean-shaven now since he's getting gray whiskers.

Next, when it comes to poses, I wish he would stop standing with his feet twenty feet apart and holding his chin up with a look of disgust. It makes him look like a sulky toddler trying to get his way. Instead he should stick to the soft poses that actually cater to women, who are his core demographic. Like these:

Lastly, I'd love it if he did an album cover similar to the photo above where he's wearing the green sweater. It doesn't look all grungy and edgy. I don't think he should even make that type of music because it really doesn't work with his voice and who he is. I personally prefer his softer songs, like Lucky Again and Habit.

He has a high voice that is nice to listen to when he sings lightly. When I say he needs to work on his voice, I'm not saying he could ever have a powerful one. I don't think high voices are meant to be powerful. Only deep ones—both women's and men's—can be that, imo. Feel free to provide a counterexample if you have one though! He tries to scream in songs like Bigger Than Me, but it doesn't feel powerful; it feels like screeching. I'm not trying to be mean. That's just what happens when you have a high voice. Unless you're Ariana Grande and hitting unbelievable high notes, it doesn't sound pretty. Even her voice isn't something I'd describe as powerful. I'd describe it as angelic.

So, if Louis wants to be able to hit high notes, he needs to stop aiming to have a strong, powerful voice, because it will never happen. He needs to strive to have a voice like Zayn's or Ariana's, both of which hit those high notes but sound soft. High voices trying to scream just sound screechy and whiny. Deep voices like Harry's or Peter Gabriel's for example are the ones that sound powerful when belting.

[zot3-flopped]

There were and are so many reasons for Harry not to speak about Larry theories.

I think most importantly: Harry never talks about anything personal in detail, so why would he break that rule for something he surely thinks is nonsensical (if he thinks about it at all)? He's been clear about his rule since he was 17.

It's not that Larries have got an actual handle on his personal life, it's that to debunk them would come close to giving something that isn't work, and he says every album cycle, three or four times, that he's not doing that. (His haters never listen to him, though.)

Secondly he worked so hard, straight out of the gate, on expanding his fan base. He went into film: a good way for GP to get to know his name. SOTT not being pop, HS1 not being pop, both of those coming out in the run-up to Dunkirk being released: none of it was an accident, surely. (Some anon said maybe he delayed SOTT release till the others had had a go, to level the playing field a bit, but I don't think it was about that, I think it was tied to Dunkirk release.) Now people could see him in promo and when they google him there is a solo album right there.

He also did covers that were classic, beloved older songs: The Chain, Big Yellow Taxi, Sledgehammer especially. Like I don't think this is cynical, he clearly loves music from those eras: I just think it is super smart to have multiple, shareable clips out there so a whole different audience can go, oh wow, he's actually good. I didn't see the others do this at all (and they didn't have to do it via BBC radio, they could record something themselves, but they didn't). Niall has Lizzie McAlpine and Post Malone covers but those guys don't mean a lot really to a wider, older audience.

What I'm getting at (sorry this is so long!) is that if he's talking about Larry theories, or Louis, then he's keeping that link with 1D alive, and I for one think he wanted to break away very clearly and work on his new fan base. I think his 1D fans see this as a betrayal but that is because they think very simply and they don't want to be replaced.

But they have been replaced many times over, sad for them but they aren't the good quality fans. They are the annoying ones who talk a lot about 'the boys' 'they are still best friends' and cry for a reunion every time one of them says the name of another. They hold all of the 1D members back actually. Harry has said he wants to do his thing, it's different every time, go back and listen to the old stuff if that's what you like, doesn't bother him.

Also there is the Larry madness that makes them immediately turn anything Louis says into part of their conspiracy. Harry doesn't need any of that negative attention. Louis needs it or his audience dies (it is already happening). I am sure Harry sees Louis say something, and sees the result, and he is never going down that route, it is a waste of everyone's energy.

Lots of perceptive points here!

[personthattoleratesme]

So, you want to study new phannies?

well, same, i don't know what happened to me either but let me try to explain, you might find it amusing

you see, I'm 19 now, so back when they first were active i wasn't enough chronically online to be obsessed with any internet personality. (for reference, i was five when dan posted his first video.)

then covid and lockdowns happened and through some twists and turns i was catapulted deep into the 1D fandom, more specifically the larry portion of it. it was incredibly toxic and unhealthy, but it was also so much fun and taught me a lot about fandom and shipping culture. i eventually moved on into much healthier fandom spaces and honestly thought (and hoped) i was over being a fan of Real Living Human Beings.

now, i had obviously heard of dan and phil before but never watched any of their videos. so when they announced the return of dapg and everyone here freaked out about it i thought, eh, might as well take a look.

i don't know what it was about them, their dynamic, the casual happy queerness, the way they love and care for each other, their little stupid quirks, dan's way with words, but it pulled me in so damn quickly. so far i have no regrets, watching them is so nice and comforting.

however it also felt so intoxicatingly familiar to when i first got into larry, which scared me at first because i did not want to go back to anything like that time of my life. by now i have realised that this is different. it feels like a better version of whatever i had going on back then, because this time there is no need for wild speculations and intrusive theorising. them being themselves and sharing what they want to share is more than enough. maybe it's just hopeful thinking but i feel like it is actually possible to have a healthy parasocial relationship with them.

i might have missed it just a teeny tiny bit.

also!!! i feel like i picked the exact right time for this new obsession because there's so much going on, it's so fun and i amm excited for the future!

dunno if the tumblr phandom is the right place for me, right now i am pretty content with just lurking and watching you guys do your thing

with love,

a new phannie

first of all i want to say welcome new phannie! i hope you enjoy and benefit from the enrichment of our little corner of the internet.

i really enjoyed reading your story. as soon as i read larry i had a visceral full-body reaction ngl, i'm so sorry you went through that.

you have really chosen an excellent time to become a phannie. the toxicity is mostly out of the fandom, dnp are in control of the narrative now, and we don't have to deal with all the phan proof shit anymore.

it gives me so much joy that nowadays their queer happiness can be a factor in becoming a fan of theirs. there's just something so special about how after everything they've been through - and everything we've been through as phandom - that there is now this wonderfully queer and happy space that can feel safe and inviting for young queer people.

i really hope that this parasocial relationship with them will turn out to be what you're looking for. when i was a teenager they helped me through so much, and now that we're all older and have been able to grow as people i think we genuinely have a very good and healthy parasocial relationship with them as a fandom.

thank you so much for your sharing your story, i genuinely find it so fascinating to learn about 2023 phannies.

you're totally welcome to lurk here for as long as you want. i was a lurker for a long time cause phannie tumblr kind of scared me. i used to only exist in the anon asks of other users and feel free to do the same.

now i want to know: what was your first dnp video?

[statementlou]

I'm not gonna lie, Louis referring to his queer fans or the fact the he has them as "weird" would be pretty disheartening. one thing was to do that in 2014 around the great gay war, with so many indicators that they were actively fighting. another is to do this now, in 2023. and even a straight artist not for one second to consider his lyrics could resonate with queer fans regardless of larry would be a bit shitty. I'm just saying that whatever he says is gonna be VERY hard to believe he was forced to. And if he openly shits on Harry it's safe to say his career - as the chance of 1D ever reunite even for a quick photo - is over.

well I absolutely agree that he will not have been 'forced' to say anything that he says in this movie. And I hear where you are coming from, but I just think the catastrophizing is unnecessary. First of all, we have ONE (1) almost certainly made up and definitely purposefully shit stirring anon (and a slow news day) to thank for all this discourse, we have no idea yet what will be in the movie, and it is always weird to me that people are so ready to believe the worst when I, personally, feel like Louis always comes through for me and gives me the BEST. Have FAITH in LOUIS!! WHEN does he let us down like literally WHEN???? (Unless all you care about is him coming out/ ending it/ confirming larry, in which case, IDK, get your priorities right and appreciate what's in front of you? Cause those things are not happening.) But anyway...

I can completely imagine a scenario in which Louis says he thinks it's weird that so many queers feel inspired by him and it makes me want to hug him forever- because I think he does find it weird and remarkable. It makes me think of that one 1D days receipt where someone said they met him on the street and told him he inspired them as a gay and he was like "I don't see how with the way things are but that means a lot." I think that was probably made up, but also it rings true to me, I feel like he does find it wild that with the public face of everything we still are here and love him so much and see what we do in him and think he's brave. As for the Harry thing, anything he says about him will be taken wrong and distorted and picked on by everyone, if he says anything at all less than "he's my husband and has never done anything wrong in his entire life he is perfect" people will say he's "shitting on Harry"; but that said, Louis is an intelligent media trained person, why are people seriously debating whether he's gonna get on screen and talk shit about Harry Styles?! also literally when in Louis' entire life has he ever said one single bad thing about Harry come on It's not fucking realistic and that alone should tell you that that anon either made all that up or it's just a really bad interpretation of whatever was actually said because the person, like everyone else around here, was so busy expecting the worst that they couldn't just chill and listen to Louis. Like, worst case scenario, let's say he does say that Harry was being offered some really incredible opportunities and he wanted to take them and Louis hadn't really thought about what he would do after the band and so when that happened he felt blindsided and adrift by suddenly not having his ever waking moment scheduled and accounted for (as Liam has also talked about experiencing), would that be so horrible??? That sounds like real life stuff and I don't personally think anyone is the bad guy there or it's horrible to say, but also I BET HE DOESN'T SAY THAT. IDK man, I just think we should all calm down and wait and see, but I'm REALLY not worried that the bombshell of this movie will be Louis coming out as being against Harry or talking shit about his fans, you know?! Come ON. I expect that with the premieres before the release we're going to get a whole lot more overwrought interpretations of things but I don't buy it; I look forward to hearing what Louis has to say and I will be real surprised if it isn't reasonable and interesting and probably mostly NOT THAT BIG A DEAL

[meyhew]

you don't have to share this if you don't wanna, but it really is a breath of fresh air on here to hear people actually point out what is obvious regarding the whole harry/zayn/1D thing. it is so clear that work on making harry the next timberlake was going on fullswing and zayn made a very smart decision for his career. he must have pissed so many off with that lmao and i am glad!! but also one thing that always confuses me is why louis INSISTS on them having been perfect best friends. the only person in the band he has publicly shown his anger towards is zayn. i have believed in larry for ten years now (although my understanding of it doesn't match most others’), but all throughout mitam promo I was very *side eye* towards louis and harry suddenly being friends laughing around interacting again. i still look at that time with so much skepticism. i would love to hear your thoughts (anything around what i rambled, and only if you like)

cannot believe we r still having these conversations in the year 2023 but i think we will always be having these conversations bc we will never know the complete truth. anyway i do think zayn & louis were genuinely really really good friends. they both have a similar working class background and both seem to take immense pride in it, so naturally that would lend to a strong foundation in a friendship. and idk to Me it isnt that confusing that louis would be angry with zayn. like i dont Approve of the things he's done/said to/about zayn but it i can understand how that would happen. people tend to be more hurt by those that are closest to them and those they value most. whether zayn left for his mental health or because of industry politics or both, it's understandable that louis might be more angry with zayn than if it were liam or niall—because he was always closer with zayn.

but anyway!! mitam erea is sooo fascinating to me esp as a larrie bc genuinely why were harry & louis all of a sudden besties in a way we hadn't seen in years? there was that theory abt them being promised a coming out and that was plausible at the time and even a Little bit in hindsight but maybe not. or it could be bc they were trying to divert attention fom zayn's departure and they had to do something to keep the fans happy & afloat, a very large chunk of whom at the time consisted of larries. who knows man. we will never find out what actually happened and none of it will really make a lot of sense. soooo much drama and over a boyband!

tldr i think louis' anger was borne of love bc zayn was his closest friend in the band and he didnt rlly know how to handle the departure