#i think of sirius as bringing out the best in remus and therefore barty bringing out the worst

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Hi! I love your brain.

So what are your thoughts on Remus x Barty.

Im not quite sure they could work together so that’s why im writing them together but I see Remus as a more sane Evan. And a tiny bit more of a loser.

Barty is fun. You know him quite well, anyway.

It’s like rosekiller but at the same time I can never see Remus handling Barty well, I think for wolfstar angst it would definitely work. Where Remus went with Barty (because Barty and Sirius do have a similar style. Just Barty does it better) and Sirius is really jealous. That’s where you could add Evan. Because Sirius and Barty, and Evan and Remus. My mind is all over the place so I apologize for how much of a mess this ask is.

Barty would be a toxic ex for Remus. They tried it, and it never really worked out. Unless there were others. Like if you added other people it could work, because the main thing pulling them apart is that Barty is much too insane. Other people could handle that part, and they could actually be happy.

Maybe Evan would work. I’m not sure, but that is not my point!

Barty is energetic and Remus is not. So it works like a family dynamic (which probably isn’t good for a relationship) so all that aside, now I’m wondering about friends. Because I think it’s all or nothing. But at the same time there’s so many factors to think about.

So, what do you think about it?

i must admit i’ve never thought about it before…but the way you’ve phrased it here has definitely piqued my interest. i’m a loser!barty truther, and i see him as the kind of guy to skip merrily over to a dungeons and dragons club after giving someone the best sex of their life. i see him and remus as somewhat similar in that sense (they’d both be classified as ‘weird’ in an american high school), and they’re mostly separated by the fact that barty is extroverted, and remus is not (↤ take this with a very generous pinch of salt). barty wears his ‘loserness’ with a sense of unbothered flippancy; he does not care that his interests are stereotypically ‘weird’, and he will happily ramble on about the latest instalment of whatever vampire comic series he’s into at the moment (whilst blowing vape smoke into your face). on the other hand, remus is somewhat more self-aware- he’s shyer and much more awkward, and definitely extremely self-concious. however, i do still see him as having that same cruel streak running through him that is very prominent in barty’s character, to an undoubtedly lesser extent, but nonetheless present in him as well. remus can be cruel when he needs to be, whereas barty is cruel when he wants to be.

the idea of barty being remus’s toxic ex…yeah. this is the option i’m leaning most towards in terms of a ship between them, because barty crouch junior is the ULTIMATE toxic ex. he might as well have written the goddamn rulebook on it. with ships like bartylily, bartylus, they all work sm better (for me) with them broken up, and i think it’s safe to say i will be adding bartyremus (we need a proper shipname for them) to this list. i can see them meeting at some sort of convention, maybe hitting it off (barty talks!!!! and remus listens!!!!), but, as you said, barty is a bit too insane for remus. i think barty could unlock that aforementioned cruel streak in remus, he could bring out the worst in him. and i think this would scare remus away more than anything barty himself could do- remus leaves because he starts to hate himself, not barty (although he eventually hates barty for causing it). ie- it’s not barty throwing a plate against a wall that ends the relationship, it’s remus.

a lot of the time i like to think of barty as a foil to james, but it’s also really interesting to now think of him in comparison to remus. in the grand scheme of things, they’re not THAT similar (hence the generous pinch of salt mentioned above), but i can see them being drawn to each other due to similar interests or whatnot. i don’t see them as working particularly well as friends, but barty as That One Ex-Boyfriend? who makes remus roll his eyes when his name is mentioned? who sirius despises with a burning passion? who will hit remus with the “u up?” text at 3am? yeah. i can see that very clearly.

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Snape > Ron !?

((OOC Becci: Posted it before but I couldn’t put a read more so... here it’s again.))

Topic: Killing of Ron to let Fred live. People said they'd rather see Ron dead. [German discussion translated for @captofthesswolfstar] Me: The way some people write here is really strange sometime. But since it's about Ron, it's no problem. It's "just" Ron. He has such a bad image here (in Germany)

S: Sad, since he has always been a loyal friend.

M: Loyal? What about part 4? Okay, one might Say now he had his 5 minutes but he had them quite often. Each life weights the same. But if it's about a fictional character people will always chose one character over another. It's human. If instead of a Weasley Tonks would have died people would care even less. In my opinion nobody had to die but Ron could have disappeared. Severus dead hit me hard. If Ron would have went missing I would have been happy.

L: Yes, M. Since part 4 I'm constantly annoyed by his jealousy.

S: M, I'm mother of a dead child and still I wouldn't wish someone else to die for my child to live. Snape's dead hurt me, sure. Ron made ONE bigger mistake in part 4. As a teenager. But he did so well for Harry and Hermione.

Me: I find this quite interesting. Ron did one mistake (that wasn't even "bad", plus he was in puberty and it was relatable) and gets so much hate. Snape did maybe one thing right (while he did so much wrong like bullying students, being a death eater and therefore killing people) and gets so much glorification. Something is REALLY wrong.

S: RIGHT!?

M: It's not jst that one time. It's from 4-7.2 and he constantly turns from one side to another. That's not just one mistake. Snape did "just" one thing right? I remember he tried to save Harry in every part and he was only "mean" to play with the Dark Lord. Other than that he also is Dumbledore's man and does many good things. Having a look at 4-7.2 I wouldn't have been surprised if he would have become a death eater in the end. That is why I dislike him.

Me: Ron doesn't "turn". He's very much his character and self-explainatory. He's very "in character" and a loyal and a self-sacrificing Friend. He would put down anything anytime for Harry, would risk his own life for him. In fact he did! Snape protected him and? He bullied the students, made their lives hell. He never learned from his behavior, was always like that. How much "good" he did remains a secret. We can't read about it. It's only assumptions.

For Ron it's so much. His lovely, caring nature, his loyalty, his humour, his insecurities that make him so human. I find it horrible when people reduce him on part 4 or the Horcrux-thing. That happens all the time. But it's also the movies' fault. The books are so complex and show much more of him. In the movies they changed some lines and even gave them to Hermione. So he looks like an idiot.

M: I wasn't happy about part 5 and 6 neither. Even in part 3 he was very weird to me. In part 1 he was very loyal and a good friend but he wouldn't become my friend there with his stubbornness. Part 2... well I think if Aragog would have caught Harry he would have run away. Part 3 he also had no trust in his friends. In part 4 he left Harry in the lurch and was against him. Part 5 he was neutral and nobody I liked. Part 6 jealousy because Harry got the book. Part 7: Horcrux as you sad. I'm no friend of Ron.

Snape was rough but he supported harry in every part the best he could without raising attention to himself. 1: Quidditch, 2: the snake and the bones, 3: Sirius/Wormtail, 4: Tournament, 5: Occlumency, 6: Book and friend and let him go, 7: his own sacrifice. That's the reason Harry's son carries HIS name and not Ron's.

MS: Snape tortured students over years! He also didn't support Harry in every part just because of caring but because he knew Harry had to live to kill off Voldemort. "Rough" is very understated. I mean... Neville who's parents were tortured by Bellatrix to madness says Snape is his biggest fear... you really need to think about that. And 3 and Sirius/Wormtail? He wanted Sirius to be handed over to the dementors without reason and told the whole school Remus was a werewolf though he knew what would happen. In part 5 he also tortured Harry with thoughts and memories and the lessons were also only because of Dumbledore. Snape has good sides but he was an asshole.

Me: First Snape. 1 - wow. Good job. While he made his and other students' lifes hell. 2 - ??? 3 - Sirius and Wormtail? What did Snape do to help? He tried to bring a innocent person into prison and let Peter run off. Great. And the talk about werewolves is also not the best choice. 4 - what exactly did he do? 5 - Because he had to. Dumbledore's order. 6 - He didn't give it to him. It happened by accident 7 - A sacrifice I'm not sure if he wanted to make it. I still can't understand how Harry named one son after loved people and the other after a manipulator who had used him and a teacher who caused his mother's death and tortured students over years (himself included). Why didn't he name his son after Ron? I guess it's like Remus. Whom he wanted to "give" to Teddy so he could name his child after him one day. About Ron [here I put a translation of this by @rondefencesquad]

M: Really. Someone can see everything negative. Snape killed off the snake and wanted Harry to go to the hospital wing instead of losing bones. Part 3 he wanted to save Harry from Sirius who he though would kill him. And Snape knew about the truth much later. And the werewolf-thing was revenge because of Lupin and the others.

4 - He supported Harry! 5 - he needed to do that so Harry could learn. What else should he have done?! 6 - Might be but he also didn't take it from him. 7 - He wanted. Because of Dumbledore. And to give Harry more time. He also gave Harry the sword in the lake. Severus' name is Harry's son's just like it was written in Cursed Child. Because he was a kind-hearted human and wizard.

Ron - He bought the train empty and had much more than Ron. Also Hermione was already down there and saved Ron. 2 - point of view 3 - your opinion is not mine 4 - doesn't explain his behaviour 5 - you're just showing me how selfish he is 6 - you can't make him positive for me. 7 - someone can see you're a massive Ron fan I like everyone except Ron. Maybe because he's just a clown and I dislike that. Ron did some good things but not enough and I dislike his jokes. I like Snape more.

Me: Snape did a great job telling Harry to go to the hospital wing. Like... every decent human being would have done that. Still - point to Snape Snape KNEW Sirius was innocent and he wanted to bring him to the dementors because of hatred. Out of spite. Remus didn't do anything actually. Nothing we would know of, at least. 4 - pov. 5 - Exactly. Instead of learning with him like a teacher he tortured him. EVERY teacher would have done that. And look how great it turned out, how successful! 6 - Which reasoning? He couldn't get the book [though he tried] 7 - You know he wanted to die because...? He didn't say so, did he?

Ron - 1 - you're confusing something. 2 - his kind-heartedness is a matter of opinion? THat shocks me. But after Snape... nothing surprises me... still... WOW. 3 - Where are you not my opinion? THose are FACTS. They are written in the book EXACTLY LIKE THAT. You can't be another opinon. 4 - because a 14-year old was jealous for a moment you have to hold it against him even after years? Right! 5 - Selfish? Were? Please. Explain this to me. I don't get it at all how support can be something selfish. 6 - I don't want to make him look good. I want to tell you how he really was. 7 - It's facts. And I'm not a Ron fan. I like him not more or less than other characters. But I hate reducing characters on one thing.

Exactly like you do it with Snape. How he tried to kill off Trevor, how he tortured students, because he never had a good heart but was very selfish, ignorant and full of hatred.

Ron wasn't a clown and I get the feeling you only know movie-Ron. He's so NOT Ron in the movies. Book-Ron and movie-Ron hardly have any similarities.

M: When you watc Harry Potter or read it you get the feeling he's a hero. When I read it or watch it I think Hermione is the hero not Harry or Ron. I question everything people do and I thought a lot about Snape and really, you only see the "bad" snape.

Umbridge, Barty Crouch Jr as Mad Eye and some others were really evil but having a closer look on Snape one can see what a good human he was and he even sacrificed himself also for Draco.

Ron on the contraty how he's described he's selfish and some other things. How Ron really was knows nobody. We only know what was shown. I only want you to see how Snape really was. Not like many people think. He wasn't always nice but someone have to look closer.

Me: "How Ron really was knows nobody. We only know what was shown." Same for Snape then. And we saw a lot more of Ron. Also I see not a hero in the trio. One wouldn't be anything without the others. All of them or nobody at all. So don't put words in my mouth.

M: Well, by reading what you wrote about Ron one might expect that. You don't see mch of Snape so it's easy to make him good or evil and for me it shows he wasn't that bad because of Dumbledore and because of Harry's son. In my eyes Ron was an arse.

With Snape I question much but Dumbledore trusted him and he did so many good things for Harry though he didn't need to. Why shouldn't that count when it counts for Ron?

Me: You can't measure with Dumbledore. Manipulative. Can't stand him. Snape is ignorant, bullies kids, tortures them, terrorises them, wants to kill their pets, always has been a death eater with heart and soul until it was his fault Lily was killed. He only became "good" because of Lily. Otherwise he would have been a death eater until the end. Ron was good through and through. He made mistakes, yes. But he would never have felt entitled because of blood purity and would have killed because of that. Ron > Snape. And that is although I like Snape more as a character. I find him very fascinating and interesting. That is why I dislike him so much as well.

M: THat's the problem. Ron isn't good for me. Snape did a lot of things but he suffered from it and he knew that Voldemort still lived so he had to play his part. It sounds like you would find some excuses for Ron killing people but not for Snape. Snape suffered and he made atonement for his doings. You musn't forget that.

Me: I would never ever find excuses for a murderer. That's absurd. How superficial you are...

[That's basically it. People tried to interfere to quiet everything down. So... it stopped. Anyway. I'm still shocked by this. I mean... what the hell?! the German fandom scares me so much sometimes...]