#i still hate john winchester

[castastik]

a blessing from the take a book leave a book at my local cafe

[princess-aziza]

"John Winchester loved his kids" and "John Winchester was a shitty father" are two statements that can and should coexist

[minalblood]

God, the look on everyone's faces here tho speaks volumes! Seriously consider the fact that out of all 5 of them there, John is the only one saying and thinking this and he's also the only one who's actually not had any real experience with the damage that monsters can have on your life. Realistically, he here has no true personal stake or motivation that would get him this black and white about hunting monsters. Henry is dead sure, but at this point it's be a life time and also it's still unsure how he died so for John to immediately make the decision that all monster, no matter what kind or what they do are just evil and irredeemable is telling to me. It means he already has this black and white mentality instilled in him, he already opperates on a us vs them mentality, and that is very dangerous. This scene also makes something else clear for me. If a hunting royalty like the Campbell's (aka Mary here) is this disturbed by John's reaction, then it further makes sense why SPN!John isolates both his kids and himself from other hunters. And that's still only a tiny percentage of them really, because the hunting generation SPN!John is a part of very much operates itself with an us vs them mentality. But we see that this older, more nuanced view of monsters isn't a spnwin AU only thing, because SPN!Samuel, for all his maaaany flaws, still had this sort of disturbed reaction to some of Sam's more black and white, cold decisions.

Anyways, my point here is, John and the hunters that SPN!John hunts with, that generation after Azazel gets rid of the Campbell's and others like them, have a veeery different approach to hunting that is far more dangerous. Like I genuinely think if season 3 Sam was living in the hunting sphere of like spnwin then he wouldn't have had other hunters tracking him down and trying to kill him juat because of rumors. But he didn't have that, he had hunters from SPN!John's generations and with John's (spn and spnwin) attitude toward the supernatural.

Anyways this is part 1 of ? of my "BMOL and hunters are really the same problem and that made s12 a chore to watch". I will at some point do more of this.

Well, I'm guessing whatever the Akrida's doing to lure monsters to Lawrence is bringing [Tony] here.

[seasononesam]

Dad didn't have a choice with us, okay? But with Adam, he did. Adam doesn't have to be cursed. He's a Winchester. He's already cursed.

in/sp

[batcavescolony]

S4 E3 Supernatural

Now THIS is a good episode. Castiel took Dean back in time to 1973! We find out Sam and Dean's maternal grandparents, Samuel and Deanna Campbell, and Mary are hunters. On top of that, Azazel is playing match maker so he can have his little psychic children be the best of the best, and he made a deal with Mary to revive John after he killed him. Also as if Azazel hasn't killed enough of Sam & Dean's family they killed Samuel and Deanna too. Oh this is so interesting, then Castiel taking Dean back, saying destiny can't be changed but Sam is going down a dark path and either Dean stops him or angels do.

[jackalhadrurusluvr]

reading fanfic is all fun and games until you get completely hooked on one that’s almost 500k words long

[enobariasteeth]

yeah yeah supernatural posting whatever but dean winchester is such a tragic fucking character holy shit

[imagine-to-be-a-pike]

Yes. Headcanonizes most of my kins as trans. BUT DEAN WINECHESTER...don't get me wrong, I love him but no one can tell me he's not a "haha I'm a gunship helicopter" type of person. NO ONE

(yes,yes sure sure Dominik.. wait 3 months and I'll headcanon it. I had the same with Arthur Pendragon) (my friend keeps reminding me about this)

[loserchildhotpants]

Genuinely love John Winchester as a character.

He’s codependent, he’s emotionally immature, he’s obsessive, he’s negligent and emotionally abusive w his kids, his grief and rage are merged and explosive, he’s doomed by the narrative, he thinks himself righteous and so never can be and had he been a good father, the Righteous Man would never have been

He loved Mary in a horrendously toxic way, he raised his boys as lambs for slaughter, he betrayed fellow hunters if his life or his quest for Azazeal was threatened, he is forgiven by his Maker, he let his boys go hungry while he went insane

He hated his eldest for so completely embodying Mary and he hated his youngest for so completely embodying him, he loved them as much as his paranoia and narcissism could allow him to and it wasn’t enough

His legacy is so complicated, some people remember him as a good friend and loving father, some people remember him as a friendly drifter, others remember him as an obsessed, heartless killer constantly walking a fine line between man and monster, and even his sons are undecided about him

John is a fabulous blorbo. Want him in jail forever <3

[1337wtfomgbbq]

Yall, take it from me: spreading love makes you so much more happy than spreading hate does.

[cannibalisam]

i have fully been converted into a john winchester apologist at this point but i still don't want to watch the winchesters because it just doesn't look like. Fun

[codeerr0r]

John Winchester try to keep a happy, safe and sane family challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)

[ebenelephant]

okay but what if max miller lived and travelled with the winchesters for a while and sam kissed him on the mouth, huh? what then?

[inplateaus]

season two of supernatural baby here we goooo

[squirrelofcelestialintent]

This is really well put, although think that the nuanced anti-John take is pretty well-expressed in fandom as well as the over-simple, boring black and white version.

And that’s because not only is the John-is-a-monster narrative not supported by the text, but it’s also that: boring. The complex version is way more tragic.

Because every heartbreaking moment where Dean let’s himself mourn his childhood, it’s the childhood that he should have had and almost did. He doesn’t fantasize about having a different dad, he dreams about having a version of John that wasn’t pushed completely over the edge into mania. It’s the fact that he was so damn close to getting that life, and all it would have taken were a few tiny tweaks in the timeline for John to have been a half-decent dad. Just like Henry probably would have been a great dad to John if he hadn’t been lost.

It’s a bunch of people yearning to be good and do the right thing but they’re so torn apart by trauma that they keep hurting each other instead. John’s probably one of the worst cases of it, but that’s still his story.

And you’re right that there’s nothing in canon to indicate he’s homophobic, but I think there is an argument to be made that there’s evidence that Dean perceived him as homophobic. We see so much of John through the things Dean did to please him: his appearance, music, attitudes etc etc, and we see the shit that makes him uncomfortable, and it’s a decent guess that part of that is him seeing it in John. But who the fuck knows if there was any evidence for it, or if it was just a scared, confused queer kid terrified of how their parent might view them and projecting all sorts of shit.

actually my one note is this: it’s a little weird to me how many spn stans still refuse to understand the point of the prequel or admit that their preconceived notions about it were wrong. it is not a pro john show. it is not a john apologist show. and don’t even get me started on the deep misogyny regarding mary in this fandom. you guys need to seek help for your deep hatred of women tbh. it is literally about ‘’the degradation of john winchester.’’

so far he has been shown to be a young man with severe ptsd from the vietnam war that isn’t being treated effectively. he is sweet and sometimes funny because there is still life in him. he likes a girl. he loves his mother. he’s loyal to his friends. he wants to help people. he is also chaotic, obsessive, violent, reckless, overconfident, and, let’s be honest, rather stupid sometimes. these are not personality traits that age well. they especially do not age well when you add in the brutal trauma of the supernatural world, his wife’s violent and premature death, decades of hunting, the looming presence of heaven and hell, and literal mind wipes.

no, it is not at all hard to see how this john ends up being that john and it’s just bizarre to me that people don’t…get that.

but, then again, of course they wouldn’t want to acknowledge it. that would mean admitting that maybe, just maybe, life is not as simple and black and white as they need it to be.

the spn fandom’s grasp of john has always been weak imo. they see him as some lumbering monster who was always a monster and never anything else. he is everything bad and everything wrong and always was. there couldn’t possibly have ever been good in him. they actively make shit up (there is no canon - since y’all seem to love that word - evidence that john was homophobic, you just need him to be for some reason) in order to make him worse than he already was.

the winchesters - with their very blatant writing, their explanation that not all abusers are born evil but made that way through various circumstances and that generational trauma is, you know, a very real thing - threatens their extremely black and white worldview and fucks with their miserable headcanons. so they write it off.

which sucks for them because putting aside the dense layers of generational trauma and the aforementioned ‘’degradation of john winchester’’ it’s honestly just a fun and entertaining show with nostalgic old school spn and buffy vibes and i think you’re all missing out.

[marvelfanfn2187a113]

Auntie Row

Rowena & Winchester little sister!reader, team free will & Winchester!reader

Requested by anonymous

Synopsis: Rowena has a soft spot for the Winchester’s little sister, and they get into lots of trouble together (I suck at synopsis, just read the fic it’s better)

Warnings: honestly nothing, time frame makes no sense with reader’s age but 🤷‍♀️

“Rowena, what do you think you’re doing?”

The witch looked up in surprise when the Winchester brothers entered.

“Sammy!” You, the brothers’ six-year-old sister, ran straight to your big brother and giggled when he lifted you into his arms.

“Oh, you’re back,” Rowena said, cringing. “That was quick.”

“Auntie Row is teaching me how to do magic, like Hermione!” You babbled excitedly.

“Rowena…” Dean growled in warning.

“Now now, she’s a growing girl!” Rowena defended herself. “Learning magic is a perfectly natural part of growing up.”

“Yeah, I don’t think so,” Sam scoffed.

“But Sammy!” You whined.

“Nu-uh,” Sam shook his head. “C’mon, it’s about time you had a nap.” He carried you out without another word to Rowena, who huffed dramatically and started to gather her belongings.

“When we said you could watch Y/N—“ Dean began, but Rowena cut him off.

“I know you didn’t mean this, but honestly Dean Winchester, how d’you expect the girl to defend herself if she can’t use magic?”

“She doesn’t have to,” Dean insisted. “We’ll protect her.”

“Oh honestly, you can’t be around her all the time! If she had magic, she could—“

“For the last time Rowena; no.” Dean’s tone left no room for argument.

“Uh, guys.” Sam returned to the room with a slight frown on his face. “Y/N said she wants Rowena to continue her story from last night. She’s refusing to sleep without it.”

“Well,” Rowena smirked. “Duty calls.”

“Hey.” Dean caught Rowena by the arm, and she glared at him. “Magic always comes with a price. I don’t want her to have to pay it.”

Rowena softened.

“I understand, Dean Winchester.”

His grip slackened, and Rowena left to go to you.

…

“I have a little something for you,” Rowena said as she stepped into your room.

“Can we finish the story?” You asked.

“Of course, sweet girl, of course. But first, I want to show you something. You remember that cursed necklace from the story? The one that protected the witch from the angry mob?”

“Uh-huh.” You nodded excitedly.

“Well, I think it’s time it protected someone else.” Rowena grinned, unclasping the necklace that was hidden behind her shirt and carefully putting it on you.

“Really?” Your eyes went wide as you stared up at the witch.

“Yes. That will protect you from anyone who wants to harm you. That way you don’t have to use any magic, just like your brothers said.”

“Thank you, Auntie Row,” you breathed sincerely, reverence painting your tone as you admired the glowing red jewel.

Rowena leaned forward and kissed your forehead.

“You’re very welcome, sweet thing. Now, let’s finish that story, shall we?”

…

“Kiddo, please, it’s just for a few days,” Sam tried to soothe you, but you still wouldn’t let go of his leg and continued to cry. “Mary’s gonna take good care of you, I promise.”

“I could really help you guys on this one,” Mary argued.

“She needs someone to watch her,” Dean reasoned.

“And why am I the automatic choice?” Mary countered.

“You two are not helping,” Sam said through gritted teeth as he picked you up, letting you lay your head on his shoulder. He hated Mary’s distance from you; you were John’s, but not hers. He understood her reason for not getting close to you, but you were just a little kid, and you didn’t deserve that. Sam just rubbed your back, still trying to soothe you as you continued to sniffle.

“If you boys needed help, you could’ve just asked.”

The three adults turned in surprise at the sound of Rowena’s voice.

“I mean honestly, it’s not like I haven’t babysat before.”

Dean was hesitant. “I don’t know if—“

“Sounds like a plan,” Mary said, going to grab her duffel. She tossed over her shoulder, “now I can help on the hunt!”

“Am I gonna stay with Auntie Row?” You asked Sam, your eyes wide and pleading.

“I…yeah honey, you are,” Sam sighed.

“Yay!” You grinned, wiping your tears away and squirming in Sam’s grip.

“Ok, ok,” Sam chuckled, lowering you to the ground so you could run to Rowena for a hug. “It’s probably best that you guys don’t stay in the bunker.” Sam directed his next words at the witch holding his little sister. “The bunker’s system still goes a little wonky with a witch inside, so one of your safe houses is probably a better idea.”

“That works for me.” Rowena grinned. “How would you like to go to Paris, sweet thing?” She asked you.

“This is a horrible idea,” Dean sighed. But he still grabbed his bag and headed out to Baby anyway.

…

“We’re back!” Sam called as he stepped into the bunker.

“Sammy! De!” You squealed, running to your big brothers and reaching them just as they came down the stairs. Dean scooped you into his arms and held you tight, comforted to see such a happy sight after such a grueling hunt.

“Hey, what’s this?” Sam asked, noticing your outfit.

“Auntie Row took me to shops in Paris, and we got a lot of clothes!” You babbled excitedly as Dean let Sam pull you into his arms.

“You’re spoiling her, Rowena,” Dean chuckled, no longer quite so hesitant about the witch now that he saw how happy you were.

“And she deserves every bit of it,” Rowena said.

…

“Ow!”

“I’m sorry darling, but you must sit still!”

“What’s going on in here?” Sam asked curiously as he stepped into your room to see you and Rowena sitting in front of your vanity.

“I’m trying to do her hair, but she won’t stop squirming,” Rowena explained, running a little pink brush through your hair.

“It’s all knotty!” You whined.

“Well it won’t be in a minute,” Rowena said.

Sam just smiled as he watched you, finally getting experiences that you’d never had before; motherly experiences.

The more he watched, though, the more he noticed how much you were squirming, and how much you seemed to be whining.

“Hey, you seem kinda grumpy, kid. Did you get a nap today?” He asked, coming to stand beside you and Rowena.

“Yeah,” you sniffled.

“You’re kinda pale,” he muttered under his breath, getting on one knee and reaching the back of his hand out to touch your forehead. “Jeez kid, you’re burning up.”

“She’s ill?” Rowena put the brush down and turned your chair around so you were facing her, repeating Sam’s gesture and checking your temperature. “She is quite hot.”

“Hey, let’s get you into some pjs, ok?” Sam suggested, lifting you into his arms. “You should get some sleep.”

“I already had a nap!” You insisted, squirming in Sam’s arms.

“Hey Sammy, I think I found us a case,” Dean said, stepping into your room. “Something wrong?”

“She’s got a fever,” Sam sighed. “You should go without me.”

“Oh nonsense,” Rowena spoke up. “Just leave her with me.”

“I don’t want to leave her when she’s sick,” Sam argued.

“Oh she’ll be fine,” Rowena insisted. “I’ll give her some herbs and she’ll be out like a light, she’ll sleep until you get back.”

“I don’t know…” Sam sighed.

“How about this,” Rowena said. “You put her to bed, and leave once she’s asleep. I’ll watch over her, and I’ll call you if she worsens.”

“Alright.” Sam looked at you. “Is that ok kiddo?”

You nodded sleepily, suddenly not so eager to fight another nap.

“Sammy, my tummy hurts,” you whimpered.

Sam nearly melted at this, more reluctant than ever to leave you.

“I know sweetheart, c’mon let’s get you into some pjs and then you can go to sleep, ok?”

Sam helped you get dressed while Dean packed for the hunt. It didn’t take long to have you tucked into bed, and you fell asleep almost as soon as your head hit the pillow.

Sam lingered in your doorway, unsure about leaving you like this.

“She’ll be fine,” Rowena soothed the Winchester brother. “She’s asleep, and I’ll call you if anything changes.”

“Alright,” Sam sighed, grabbing the bag that Dean had packed him. “Just…take care of her, ok?”

“Always,” Rowena responded.

And she did. When the Winchester brothers returned, your fever had broken and you were resting on the couch with Rowena, some cartoon playing on the tv.

“Hello boys,” she greeted when she saw them.

“Hey kid.” Sam went straight to you, brushing your hair away from your face. “Are you feeling any better?”

Rowena went to speak to Dean while you answered Sam with a distracted “yeah,” continuing to watch your cartoon.

“Her fever broke,” she explained to him. “I think it’s best if she rests a bit more, though.”

“Thank you, Rowena,” Dean said sincerely. “She really seems to like you.”

Rowena smiled. “She does, doesn’t she?”

…

“Did you have fun?” Sam asked you.

You nodded, finally pulling your gaze from the cartoon.

“Yeah, I like Auntie Row!”

Sam smiled softly.

“I’m glad.”

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