#i still hate john winchester

[castastik]

a blessing from the take a book leave a book at my local cafe

[princess-aziza]

"John Winchester loved his kids" and "John Winchester was a shitty father" are two statements that can and should coexist

[minalblood]

God, the look on everyone's faces here tho speaks volumes! Seriously consider the fact that out of all 5 of them there, John is the only one saying and thinking this and he's also the only one who's actually not had any real experience with the damage that monsters can have on your life. Realistically, he here has no true personal stake or motivation that would get him this black and white about hunting monsters. Henry is dead sure, but at this point it's be a life time and also it's still unsure how he died so for John to immediately make the decision that all monster, no matter what kind or what they do are just evil and irredeemable is telling to me. It means he already has this black and white mentality instilled in him, he already opperates on a us vs them mentality, and that is very dangerous. This scene also makes something else clear for me. If a hunting royalty like the Campbell's (aka Mary here) is this disturbed by John's reaction, then it further makes sense why SPN!John isolates both his kids and himself from other hunters. And that's still only a tiny percentage of them really, because the hunting generation SPN!John is a part of very much operates itself with an us vs them mentality. But we see that this older, more nuanced view of monsters isn't a spnwin AU only thing, because SPN!Samuel, for all his maaaany flaws, still had this sort of disturbed reaction to some of Sam's more black and white, cold decisions.

Anyways, my point here is, John and the hunters that SPN!John hunts with, that generation after Azazel gets rid of the Campbell's and others like them, have a veeery different approach to hunting that is far more dangerous. Like I genuinely think if season 3 Sam was living in the hunting sphere of like spnwin then he wouldn't have had other hunters tracking him down and trying to kill him juat because of rumors. But he didn't have that, he had hunters from SPN!John's generations and with John's (spn and spnwin) attitude toward the supernatural.

Anyways this is part 1 of ? of my "BMOL and hunters are really the same problem and that made s12 a chore to watch". I will at some point do more of this.

Well, I'm guessing whatever the Akrida's doing to lure monsters to Lawrence is bringing [Tony] here.

[seasononesam]

Dad didn't have a choice with us, okay? But with Adam, he did. Adam doesn't have to be cursed. He's a Winchester. He's already cursed.

in/sp

[batcavescolony]

S4 E3 Supernatural

Now THIS is a good episode. Castiel took Dean back in time to 1973! We find out Sam and Dean's maternal grandparents, Samuel and Deanna Campbell, and Mary are hunters. On top of that, Azazel is playing match maker so he can have his little psychic children be the best of the best, and he made a deal with Mary to revive John after he killed him. Also as if Azazel hasn't killed enough of Sam & Dean's family they killed Samuel and Deanna too. Oh this is so interesting, then Castiel taking Dean back, saying destiny can't be changed but Sam is going down a dark path and either Dean stops him or angels do.

[jackalhadrurusluvr]

reading fanfic is all fun and games until you get completely hooked on one that’s almost 500k words long

[enobariasteeth]

yeah yeah supernatural posting whatever but dean winchester is such a tragic fucking character holy shit

[imagine-to-be-a-pike]

Yes. Headcanonizes most of my kins as trans. BUT DEAN WINECHESTER...don't get me wrong, I love him but no one can tell me he's not a "haha I'm a gunship helicopter" type of person. NO ONE

(yes,yes sure sure Dominik.. wait 3 months and I'll headcanon it. I had the same with Arthur Pendragon) (my friend keeps reminding me about this)

[loserchildhotpants]

Genuinely love John Winchester as a character.

He’s codependent, he’s emotionally immature, he’s obsessive, he’s negligent and emotionally abusive w his kids, his grief and rage are merged and explosive, he’s doomed by the narrative, he thinks himself righteous and so never can be and had he been a good father, the Righteous Man would never have been

He loved Mary in a horrendously toxic way, he raised his boys as lambs for slaughter, he betrayed fellow hunters if his life or his quest for Azazeal was threatened, he is forgiven by his Maker, he let his boys go hungry while he went insane

He hated his eldest for so completely embodying Mary and he hated his youngest for so completely embodying him, he loved them as much as his paranoia and narcissism could allow him to and it wasn’t enough

His legacy is so complicated, some people remember him as a good friend and loving father, some people remember him as a friendly drifter, others remember him as an obsessed, heartless killer constantly walking a fine line between man and monster, and even his sons are undecided about him

John is a fabulous blorbo. Want him in jail forever <3

[1337wtfomgbbq]

Yall, take it from me: spreading love makes you so much more happy than spreading hate does.

[cannibalisam]

i have fully been converted into a john winchester apologist at this point but i still don't want to watch the winchesters because it just doesn't look like. Fun

[codeerr0r]

John Winchester try to keep a happy, safe and sane family challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)

[ebenelephant]

okay but what if max miller lived and travelled with the winchesters for a while and sam kissed him on the mouth, huh? what then?

[inplateaus]

season two of supernatural baby here we goooo

[squirrelofcelestialintent]

This is really well put, although think that the nuanced anti-John take is pretty well-expressed in fandom as well as the over-simple, boring black and white version.

And that’s because not only is the John-is-a-monster narrative not supported by the text, but it’s also that: boring. The complex version is way more tragic.

Because every heartbreaking moment where Dean let’s himself mourn his childhood, it’s the childhood that he should have had and almost did. He doesn’t fantasize about having a different dad, he dreams about having a version of John that wasn’t pushed completely over the edge into mania. It’s the fact that he was so damn close to getting that life, and all it would have taken were a few tiny tweaks in the timeline for John to have been a half-decent dad. Just like Henry probably would have been a great dad to John if he hadn’t been lost.

It’s a bunch of people yearning to be good and do the right thing but they’re so torn apart by trauma that they keep hurting each other instead. John’s probably one of the worst cases of it, but that’s still his story.

And you’re right that there’s nothing in canon to indicate he’s homophobic, but I think there is an argument to be made that there’s evidence that Dean perceived him as homophobic. We see so much of John through the things Dean did to please him: his appearance, music, attitudes etc etc, and we see the shit that makes him uncomfortable, and it’s a decent guess that part of that is him seeing it in John. But who the fuck knows if there was any evidence for it, or if it was just a scared, confused queer kid terrified of how their parent might view them and projecting all sorts of shit.

actually my one note is this: it’s a little weird to me how many spn stans still refuse to understand the point of the prequel or admit that their preconceived notions about it were wrong. it is not a pro john show. it is not a john apologist show. and don’t even get me started on the deep misogyny regarding mary in this fandom. you guys need to seek help for your deep hatred of women tbh. it is literally about ‘’the degradation of john winchester.’’

so far he has been shown to be a young man with severe ptsd from the vietnam war that isn’t being treated effectively. he is sweet and sometimes funny because there is still life in him. he likes a girl. he loves his mother. he’s loyal to his friends. he wants to help people. he is also chaotic, obsessive, violent, reckless, overconfident, and, let’s be honest, rather stupid sometimes. these are not personality traits that age well. they especially do not age well when you add in the brutal trauma of the supernatural world, his wife’s violent and premature death, decades of hunting, the looming presence of heaven and hell, and literal mind wipes.

no, it is not at all hard to see how this john ends up being that john and it’s just bizarre to me that people don’t…get that.

but, then again, of course they wouldn’t want to acknowledge it. that would mean admitting that maybe, just maybe, life is not as simple and black and white as they need it to be.

the spn fandom’s grasp of john has always been weak imo. they see him as some lumbering monster who was always a monster and never anything else. he is everything bad and everything wrong and always was. there couldn’t possibly have ever been good in him. they actively make shit up (there is no canon - since y’all seem to love that word - evidence that john was homophobic, you just need him to be for some reason) in order to make him worse than he already was.

the winchesters - with their very blatant writing, their explanation that not all abusers are born evil but made that way through various circumstances and that generational trauma is, you know, a very real thing - threatens their extremely black and white worldview and fucks with their miserable headcanons. so they write it off.

which sucks for them because putting aside the dense layers of generational trauma and the aforementioned ‘’degradation of john winchester’’ it’s honestly just a fun and entertaining show with nostalgic old school spn and buffy vibes and i think you’re all missing out.

[dubina-dawkins]

WINCHESTER'S PICKUP, INJURIES AND CLUMSY KISSES

~1k words

>you get hurt while hunting with your uncle, John Winchester and his son. Dean can't help but help.

pairing:teen! dean winchester x teen! reader

warnings/notes: basically a really tooth rotting fluff, first love and first kiss trope, vague descriptions of reader's past (like death of their family), few but subtle descriptions of injuries, john winchester mentioned (and i mean he's a real trigger so that's important), gn reader, no usage of y/n

REPOSTS WILL BE APPRECIATED

Minnesota. A werewolf hunt. Ordinary case-- boring, in a way. Just had to catch the bastard and shoot it through the heart with silver.

It seemed normal even to you, even though you weren't even an adult yet. Had to grow up early, huh? God, you hated that phrase. It sounded like you were feeling sorry for yourself. And self-pity is weak, very weak! At least that's what your uncle, the hunter who raised you since your family died in a vampire attack taught you.

And besides, you and your uncle weren't alone on this case, but with "family friends" - the Winchesters. Were they considered family friends if every time John needed help hunting and Dean was busy, your youngest son, Sam, was left at your and your uncle's house? Hell if I know! But at least you got a good memory of that family. And the older son's face, his cocky grin, his brilliant green eyes, his perfect nose and distinct freckles...it was all getting to your throat.

But damn it, it had to be some old, abandoned house. Protruding nails, scattered things, wood that left splinters in fingers - it would be dangerous here, even in daylight, without the risk of having your heart eaten...and when there was that risk, every step was tense.

Especially when the "hunted object" - you tried not to think of them as people, or else it became too hard to hunt - had run right into your path. The rumble of falling things, the pop of missed shots. This werewolf was physically strong and dexterous, so it was hard.

Like when he threw you into the wall and some protruding, crooked, rusty nail pierced your shoulder. It's okay, we've been through worse injuries, you'd think. Until Dean ran up to you, completely ignoring his father's scolding.

"Hey, are you okay? Ooh..." He seemed to swear, but it was quiet, a whisper he didn't want his father to hear. Dean sharply threw your arm, whose shoulder wasn't injured, over his neck and lifted you up, not listening to any of your complaints about not needing help.

"Dad's gonna kill you- sshhiit..." You hissed as he pressed his shirt, previously hanging over his black T-shirt, against your shoulder, treating the wound. The fabric was soaked with whiskey.

Hearing your sounds of pain, Dean lifts his emerald eyes from your wound to your face. His gaze is piteous, concerned, and his thick lashes glisten in the moonlight.

He was too handsome. Objectively, of course.

"Like the first time I'm going to get a punch from him... All right?" He squeezes your healthy shoulder in the palm of his hand, then puts his hand on the collar of your t-shirt, and...stops. "I... Can you slip your arm out of your sleeve?"

All his arrogance evaporated, there wasn't a particle of it in the air. And it was cute.

"You want me to take my clothes off? Pervert," you laugh, but your face immediately frowns as you raise your arm. Dean doesn't waste a second and starts helping you.

And God, the touch of his somehow warm fingers - there was a cool breeze outside, by the way - send shivers down your spine, making you dizzy. But you don't think about it. At least you're trying.

A low whimper escaped your lips as he tightened a piece of cloth, torn from your shirt and soaked in alcohol, on your wound. Maybe it wasn't unusual, but it still hurt.

"You're gonna stay here, you hear me? There's no way in hell you're going to go fight that big guy again right now. I won't let you," Dean said, glancing outside his dad's pickup window. His dad and your uncle were still in the house with a werewolf, apparently. You two could have been alone...for a little while. But of course that didn't excite you at all. You and Dean were just friends, right? Hunting bros. Nothing more.

And the fact that your gaze fell to his lips, then to his cheeks, covered with freckles, sharp cheekbones, ash-black long lashes, brilliant green eyes.... It meant nothing. At all.

"Whatever you say, sir," you quipped, rubbing the wound under the piece of cloth with your hand. Dean just gently pulled your hand away, "Don't make it worse for yourself, buddy." And oh, his tone is so gravelly. You're absolutely done.

But he won't let go of your hand. And you don't want to pull away.

His green eyes came up to your face, and he suddenly just froze, as if he couldn't look away. Dean stared at you as if you were the most brilliant and expensive gem, as if you were a living angel he hadn't believed in for a long time.... Like something unearthly. It would be foolish not to admit that you looked at him the same way.

Dean squeezed your hand lightly, and slowly - yes, very unusual for Dean Winchester to do something slowly - moved closer, but in a friendly way for now. In the same second, however, he remembered who he was, and his hand went up to your neck - still tentatively, of course... "Listen, buddy-..."

"Dean, please..."

And that did it. Dean's one word was enough for him to press his lips lightly against yours. He wasn't pushy, he wasn't rough, he didn't even let himself try to deepen the kiss. His lips only phantomly touched yours, guiding you, somehow even mentoring you, gently (still unusual for Dean Winchester himself!). His lips were matte, a little dry, but damn it, you liked it better than the sweetest meals of your life.

He pulls back, takes a deep breath and leans into you again. You're so cooked.

Dean can't help but marvel at your ineptitude at kissing- God, he could have sworn it made it the best kiss of his life. His lips move hotter, feistier, more needy, but still tentative, dipping down a little to leave a few quick nibbles on your chin and on your jaw--

Until you start hearing John and your uncle's voices outside. Oh, God, not now!

"Sorry, baby, sorry-" the nickname slides off his tongue so tenderly, lovingly, as he quickly pulls moves away from you.

Because after today, the chance of Winchester allowing you to see Dean earlier than after few months was close to zero.

a/n: i needed to think about little dean that haven't experienced hell already (on s4 currently yaaay). young jensen on header only because i can't think of teen dean looking as original cast actor for this role. and because i love young jensen. like really much. think im starting to get a lil' bit too much obsessed with dean