#i remember youre snowgraves

[the-legendaryphoenix]

I couldn't help myself lol

[yeets-ix]

GUYS WHAT HAPPENED TO MY TMOSTH COPY, WHAT DID I DO

HE CAN'T ACTUALLY REMEMBER NO WAY

[malumphoenixsart]

F A I L U R E! The prequel to my snowgrave ~ fatal post I made on my main a while back. Faith: The Unholy Trinity armirite?

[wolfkitty42]

Look how far we've come

To celebrate the new Umbrashard video

bonus below cut

[marx-the-personly-blog]

Ȋ̵̦̯̠̬̋͠ ̴̳̓̅̓͂́͂͐̅́͛̒̚͝͠͠d̶̢͔̭̙͈̮̉̾͑͐̐͋̊̽̈̍̚͘͜͝ö̵̢̫̠̖̫ͅn̸̨͙͈̱̘͓̭̖͖̤̟͐̒̓̓͊̋͒͂̂͂́͠'̵̞͓͕̬̄̋́ț̷̢̟͈̗̳̠͉͚̟͚̹̺͕̠̘̓̿̀̔̀̒́̐̄̃̔͛͜͝ ̷̢͓̥͈̯̦̤͍̬͖͉̤͖̰͍̗̽̽̐̌̒̿̀͠f̸̹̲̑̂̎̓̈́͗͗̒̆͗̚͝ͅe̴̝͇̥̱̣͔̞̼͇͓͇̮̪̗̎̋͗͛̓̈́̌̋͑͠ẹ̷̛̫̦̞̻͔̥̳̦̖̾̔̓̓̓͌̿͠l̷͔̳̪̻̭̹͉̠͈̜̠̀̈́͊ͅͅ ̶̢̦̯̲̫̙̠͈͔͓̗̮̘͌̽́̋͐͝ș̸̡̢͖̰̬͇͈͈̳̹͓̝̬̂͆͋͘o̷̞̗͕͈̫̖̤͇̬̠̤͛͛̀̽̌ ̶̛̗͚̝̔͗͑͋̈̃̅̿͋̐̕̚g̴̩̦͈̪̗̝̹̠͎͓͉̱̟̠͎̠̬͋́͆̾o̶̢͋̎̉͑͑͋̄̋̿͌̍̈́̕͘ŏ̷͇̽d̶̙͍͙̀́̂̕ ̶̢̨̝͔̘̳̩̬̺͓̯͉͌́̌̔͊̐̈́͂͝͠͝͝ę̷̛̪̻̞̰͔̻̫́̑́̎́̑͒į̵̡̧̝̳̩̖̬̠͍͚̱̙̳̾̀̿̀̆̇̈́̐t̴̛̞̟̥̖̫͔̹͇̫̩͂̄͌̾͐͋̒̊̕͝h̸̪̀̀͗e̷̳̲̤͛̀̃͊̃͆̀̊̏r̸̛̗̯̹̤̥̬̱̄̃̋͆̈́̽̊̃̐͆̌̓̏̐͂̕ ̵̛͚͐͛̓́̚

[photos-print3d]

I'm going to genoseam you

[marisiss]

Part 1/2 (or more, who knows)

Remember about that ask from your thoughts of time rifts, @ashfluffys ? I FINALLY MANAGED TO DO IT!!! Introducing a new AU "Era of the Ice Queen"!

And just for it, i made comic from beginning of Ice Era, here we go!

(I hope i wrote it understandable for it to read-)

So, as i developed Hat Kid and Mu are only alive creatures on the planet and no more, everyone else turned into ice statues (EXCEPT SNATCHER, he just disappeared)

So, if you move much earlier, then after going to Vanessa's manor and reaching the attic, Hat Kid almost already took the timepiece, but Vanessa abruptly came to the attic and in a panic, Hat Kid, before she could take it, runs straight down through the window.

Vanessa wondered why she needed this shiny thing. Looking at this shiny hourglass, Vanessa was able to see something in it, and she saw in this hourglass her past, when she was not cursed. And she thought that this was a chance to bring everything back, but suddenly changed her mind, because her prince betrayed her and it makes sense to return to where your lover betrayed you.

And so, she thought, why does she need the past when there is a present? When you can change the present and become a real queen in the end, rule the WHOLE planet! Therefore, she EVENTUALLY left her house and followed Hat Kid. The whole pursuit of Hat Kid went ALMOST unnoticed, because Vanessa quite cleverly stole the timepieces from under her nose, but sometimes they collided and Hat Kid tried to get her hourglass back, but each time unsuccessfully.

That's how, having collected enough timepieces, she, like Mu, changed the whole planet in her own way, now becoming a truly serious and powerful opponent and queen.

There should also be a storybook about what Mu has been doing all this time, but that will be in a completely different post.

So, what about DESIGNS?

I only did Vanessa designs, other of Hat kid and Mu will be later, so here

I didn't decided which design i like more, but i got interested about HARD MODE of boss battle with her... Snowgrave wish (NO WAY, DELTARUNE REFERENCES?????).

She literally beast here, There are no human traits, only instincts of destruction and protection of one's greatness, but even here she will lose.

I even draw one scene of boss battle, cuz why not?

GO HAT KID, BEAT HER ASS UP!!!

In this battle, she became overpowered too much, even more than Mu in canon ending. No matter how Hat Kid tried to hit her, weaken her, Vanessa didn't get tired at all, but only fought much harder. And Hat Kid, on the contrary, weakened more and more due to the terrible cold, she practically did not feel her limbs, until in the end she fell in front of Vanessa, and instead of killing her, she made her a henchman in the ranks as a guard and because Hat Kid, despite Outwardly, she is quite brave and strong. Therefore, why not make her your slave, or rather a guard, while Mu watched in horror and ran away, almost crying, Realizing that this is the end, there is no longer any hope of salvation if that were the case, hehe.

That's it for now! More information and the relationships to the characters will be in the next part! I hope, you like it👉👈

[shayminlucario07]

It's so interesting to me that the widely accepted theory for Deltarune is that it'll end up being Us, the player, vs. Kris in the end. I understand why this is the perspective a lot of people have- Kris doesn't rip their soul out for no reason, obviously, and based on everything we've seen, such as the Post Spamton-NEO dialogue choices, it very much seems like we have the ability to make Kris make choices they otherwise wouldn't- but it seems especially cynical to me to assume that means Kris is going to be against us, or even that there is an antagonistic relationship between Kris and the player at all.

From everything we've seen, such as Kris' room in the light world being almost completely barren, and Toriel's memory of Kris asking when their horns would grow in, it doesn't seem like Kris likes themselves that much- and with that perspective, and the knowledge via Catti that she and Kris used to try and summon demons together, I've always had the perspective that we exist within the narrative of Deltarune less as a malevolent outsider forcibly imposing our will on the world and more as a benevolent force, called on deliberately by Kris' own actions to help them reshape their life into something they like more.

I think people tend to get very caught up in thinking of UTDR as very inherently cynical stories, especially in their metanarratives, due to the Undertale Genocide route. But that isn't what these stories are- or rather, it's not what they're *supposed* to be. The Genocide route, and its Deltarune counterpart, the Weird/Snowgrave route, are *corruptions* of the existing story and world, caused not by the player's mere existence, but by the player's refusal to engage with the game the way it asks you to- for Genocide, you have to actively go out of your way, to great resistance, to hunt down and kill every single monster, despite the game telling you that showing mercy is the best option. And in Snowgrave, you have to actively push back against the existing narrative in very specific ways, using the more diverse combat system to circumvent the restrictions it has- rather than attacking enemies yourself to kill them, as that simply causes enemies to run away, you circumvent this by manipulating Noelle to freeze them all with Iceshock, preventing them from running away. Noelle DOES NOT do this deliberately based on everything we've seen, and it is very apparent from her dialogue (both internal and external) that it is unnatural to her and that we, the player, are making her do this. And in the Snowgrave route, it is very understandable that Kris would take an antagonistic stance towards us, given, well, Snowgrave, but it must be remembered that the Snowgrave/Weird route is paralleling the Genocide route, and how did that route end? With the demon that comes when you call its name ushering the world, and our influence upon it, into oblivion. That sounds to my ear awfully similar to how the Roaring has been described. Some people have theorized that perhaps the Weird route will be necessary to avoid the Roaring happening- but what if it's the opposite? That's a separate subject, though, and I'll leave it for later. Given all the very apparent parallels between Kris' design and Chara's, mirroring the parallels between Snowgrave and Genocide, it makes perfect sense that Kris would be antagonistic towards us at the Weird route's end- but in the normal route, what have we truly done to warrant antagonism from Kris?

It's very heavily implied, if not outright stated, that Kris' life before Chapter 1 is... not exactly good. Their parents are divorced, very messily, their brother is away at college, their friendship with Noelle has grown distant, and they've been unable to befriend Susie like they wanted to. But then, we show up, almost out of nowhere, and Kris is whisked away on a magical adventure, where they can be the special version of themselves they've always wanted to be. Sure, they can't use magic themselves in the Dark World, but they can ACT, which seems to be enough. And yes, we can make choices they don't necessarily agree with, like saying Kris is fine after Spamton NEO, but Kris also has Ralsei and Susie as a support network, who see through that lie- and many of us don't make that contrary choice at all. I know *I* didn't. And the crucial thing to remember- we aren't completely controlling Kris. Even when Kris HASN'T removed the Soul, they've acted independently of us. They block King's attack at Susie, they back away from Spamton NEO, and perhaps most importantly of all, is Ralsei- Ralsei, who on two separate occasions actively stops Kris from being observed by us, proving this is possible both without removing the Soul, AND for people other than Kris to do. Kris is not a slave to our will- they go along with us by choice, even when we make decisions they don't agree with. Because they DO have the power- the Determination- to resist us. But they don't. What does that tell us about Kris, and the greater narrative?

Circling back to the metanarrative point to conclude this excessively verbose post, what we need to remember moving forward is that Toby Fox is not a cynical writer- at least, not by nature. He expects you to engage with the narrative he constructs on its own terms, as any writer would, but he also wrote the Genocide route specifically to deconstruct how the refusal to do so will inherently ruin the story. As Sans says when he dunks on you, if you actually cared about being friends with him, you wouldn't be on the Genocide route. There's no reason Deltarune won't be the same. Undertale did not punish the player for playing the game, it critiqued the player for not engaging with its narrative. Our ability to Save and Load didn't make us evil- our influence being exerted on the world of Undertale wasn't inherently bad. Even when it comes to actions like killing Toriel at the end of the Ruins and reloading to spare her- this isn't evil. In fact, it is the opposite. Flowey attempts to make us think it is, but he's already been lost to the same apathetic lack of engagement that we are in the Genocide route. Our presence in Undertale is not inherently negative- without our part in that story, the monsters would never have been freed from the Underground. I have no reason to believe Deltarune will be any different.

TL;DR: Our influence over the story of Undertale was not inherently bad unless we misused it by refusing to engage with it on its terms. This led to the Genocide route. The Weird/Snowgrave route is a deliberate parallel to this. As such, there is no reason to assume our influence over Deltarune is inherently bad; it will only be bad if it is similarly misused. The same can be said about our relationship to Kris- it is not inherently antagonistic, and has no reason to be unless misused, such as in Snowgrave.

[shenhooo]

Kris I remember your snowgraves…

also yes I messed it up instead of defending its acting,,,but I am still happy with the finished product (ヽ´ω`)

the other images are just doodles when working on this :D(also for some reason Tumblr changed the quality of it,,)

I didn’t expect many people to like my Madoka art!!!! I will counting to post here more ^^

[carlyraejepsans]

speaking of dr, there's something that really annoys me about how shallow the ship discourse around kr4lsei is. I'm not sure I'm 100% behind this for the same reasons i doubt toby will go full in with noelle's mom being abusive, ie "those are very delicate and complex topics to handle, does he have the time and space to deal with them in deltarune's story?" so take this with a grain of salt.

(warning for brief mention of incest, so I'm putting this under a readmore)

i think the discourse being framed as "thinking ralsei is presented as a romantic interest" vs "thinking ralsei is compared to kris' brother or like a family member" is incredibly stupid because those are... both true at the same time. yes, there's an unskippable "tunnel of love" scene, and it looks like ralsei could have somewhat of a crush on kris. but ralsei still 1) looks just like a dreemurr, 2) clearly plays, as a character, on our feelings and memories of asriel from playing undertale, as evident by their designs and their names being anagrams 3) i am 99% sure Noelle was going to say "that kinda looks like asriel" while looking at him eating cotton candy with Susie, and Susie herself suggests telling toriel he's "a long lost cousin". either way, if ralsei is meant to play on our feelings towards asriel, then as asriel's sibling, kris is likely gonna feel similarly.

are you uncomfortable? good! you should be. that's the point.

it's not random that the snowgrave route was framed and portrayed with the imagery of a wedding. first the freezering, then the thorn ring are explicitly compared to wedding rings. "we're just friends"/"we're something else". "YOU'VE BEEN MAKING [hyperlink blocked (...LoVE?)], HAVEN'T YOU?" noelle with whom kris had a strained relationship, whose feelings (platonic? romantic? we don't know) we brute force in what is the most chilling, manipulative, cruel iteration of chapter 2's story we could take... it's almost as if deltarune uses kris being forced into romantically coded situations they're deeply uncomfortable with as a way to showcase their lack of agency in the story.

and being pushed into romcom-like situations with a guy who looks like their brother works pretty darn well to follow that pattern, if you ask me.

now, if a forced romance with noelle represents their lack of agency in regards to the player, then... a forced romance with ralsei could represent their lack of agency towards Fate. The Plot/Story. unskippable cutscene, remember? not to mention ralsei's whole purposepilled shtick he clearly has a complex about.

this does raise a couple of questions about susie though, as the third option in the "who would you take to the fair with you" question, the one option kris seems to agree with, as well as being a character who is actively resisting the narrative.

because there's people who are very much FOR krusie, just as there are people against it, i doubt their getting or not getting together would work to represent kris gaining their agency back. and i believe i speak for everyone when i say that susie is going to play a huge part in that arc. either way, i'm curious to see how this develops.

idk! like i said, I'm not sure just how much toby is gonna go into this because it IS a very delicate subject. but it's an example of what i mean when i say "there's more to fandom than shipping" and "fixating so hard on Shipping Good Things" can be detrimental to analysis. I'm not cancelling anyone with this post, go on doing your thing whether it's kr4lsei or r4lsusie or krus1e. but if your first thought going into this was "I'm gonna ignore the part where the game compares ralsei to asriel because that would make my ship incest and that is Bad and uncomfortable" then... that's a very cheap way to interact with media? lol. sometimes being uncomfortable IS the point. god knows utdr makes you uncomfortable on purpose sometimes. ok rant over :P

[necromonica]

ive been having a lot of thoughts about epic mickey thinner route and i wish to infodump

this is. vaguely inspired by the snowgrave route in deltarune. but very vaguely. also minor derealization tw? just to be safe

so like. i was reading the fandom wiki on mickey mouse a while ago when i got to thinking. i dont think mickey would intentionally go kicking everyones ass with thinner if he knows there's another option (paint) but then i remembered

learning that you're just a cartoon (because you gotta remember this version of mickey seems completely unaware) and that you unknowingly ruined someones life not once but twice must be horrifying

and not only that but youre suddenly trapped in an unknown world with people that know you but you dont know them? with places that look so familiar but just different enough (toontown vs ostown)? the derealization must be strong with this one

so i think. the thinner route, if i were to write it, wouldn't be as much as psychopathic mickey as i've seen some others portray it. itd be more of a "mickey doesnt know what the fuck is going on and is too afraid to find out"

he isn't insane, just really scared and confused. he wants the enemies to go away, it isnt his fault the magical brush takes that as Murder Them.

besides, is it really hurting them if they were never real in the first place?

is it really hurting you if you were never real in the first place?

[the-legendaryphoenix]

so the matpatify browser extention

...

yeah

[shadowofroserade]

Is it weird to worry, that the acid tunnel of to an unsuspecting player can seem kind of queerbaity? I don't know how the narrative will address it, but unlike the weird route where the uncomfortable elements are readily on display, and there are a lot of heteronormative implications, rings etc. In the acid tunnel of love scene on the other hand, you need to the context of Undertale (Ralsei, Asriel anagram), and some vague hints (tea theory) for someone on the first playthrough to realize it's implications, and Ralsei is a character that certainly has queer undertones, it doesn't really have the readily available front-facing forcefulness that is in the Snowgrave route and show's that both Kris and Noelle are uncomfortable with it, in fact Ralsei seems to not be opposed to it, presumably despite Kris being uncomfortable with it.

I am BEGGING people to actually learn what queerbaiting means.

Queerbaiting implies that there is a significant monetary benefit to luring in a queer audience to your show/movie/etc only to not deliver to avoid the potential controversy of actually deliviring mainstream queer content. I hope I don't have to explain why Toby Fox engaging in queerbaiting does not make sense.

Now as for the rest of your points, I just think you need to wait. You need to remember that we're only on Chapter 2 of 7, and there will be plenty of opportunities for Toby to address the uncomfortable aspects of that particular relationship. I have no doubt that all of these implications of Kris and Ralsei's relationship will be built up slowly for an impactful moment of realization for even the most oblivious first-time Ralsei loving player.

TLDR: Let Toby cook.

[mifgirlcomics]

Approach the theory if you dare 🫵

I am a very down to earth person , I like realistic stuff and sciences .

So when something isn't logic for me I imagine a logic explication .

For Spamton I was always wondering what Pipis is . Bombs ? Plastic ? Eggs ?

Some people say that is clam but I don't believe them ! That doesn't look like a clam !

I arrived to the conclusion that Pipis are Spamton eggs because that's obvious !Spamton knows therefore how to clone himself .

It's possible in nature , some species do this ! We call it ''parthenogenesis''

HOWEVEEER !

Parthenogenesis is exclusively a female capacity .

So , two hypothesis , either Spamton is a female , or simply an asexual creature .

And I have worse for you !

Remember in the Snowgrave route the castle full of Pipis ? If we count , the number of Pipis is around 110 . That means that after became NEO , Spamton laid all of this in , like , 1 or 2 hours . That's really quick !!

So it reminds me queen bee . For queen bee it's 1500 to 2000 eggs by day . And Spamton NEO look like a big bug , it's Logic ! BUT !

Bee reproduction is sexuate ! Two hypothesis again , Pipis are just clones or they are made with normal reproduction.

Come on , last childhood breakup !

Spamton named some of his Pipis ''Ms.Pipis'' , it means that EITHER : He knows the gender of his offspring or he says that randomly .

If he knows he really look like a queen bee ! Bees can do that by choosing which eggs will be fertilized .

That would means that Spamton fucked with a man for it . Because I don't think that his own cells can do that by themselve !

But who ?

I have an idea buuuuut ... You won't like it !

The one and only person who was classified as '' Spamton companion '' is a short round hysteric demon ...

Fortunately for us I think Spamton met someone else after !

But let's recap :

Spamton maybe a :

- fucking chicken ( female )

- assexuate creature ( most plausible theory )

- Giant Queen bee

I hope your childhood is not to the hospital now lolll

Sorry if my english is bad , I'm french

Eh , I copied all this shit from the Spamton fan club ! It was long !

[hiis-theme]

love how "kris i remember you're snowgraves" became "human i remember you're genocides" became "human i remember your non-binary." very good progression great job nutdealer fandom-

[teammateswap-au]

There are 2 main routes in cryocrypt : the “I remember your snowgraves” route and the “I forgor” route