#i love bojack horseman the show

[aaaaaaaaabbbbbbbbcccc]

Are you the horse from Horsin’ Around?

[theoriginalgayever]

FATHERS OF THE YEAR GUYS ❤❤��

[gl1tched-g0th]

Actually no I WILL talk about how much I adore the last conversation Bojack and Diane had.

He tried to make a depressing joke, ("Wouldn't it be funny if this night was the last time we ever talked to each other?"), assuming she'd play along or agree, but she didn't. Bojack gets visibly confused and maybe even uncomfortable by this. Silence. Bojack tries to save the conversation, only for Diane to cut him off. Bojack tries to avoid what he knows is coming - abandonment - but then Diane catches him off guard with a "thank you", and just for a split second he takes as reassurance that she's not leaving. Then Diane continues, tells him it's going to be okay and that she's sorry. Bojack gets that pit in his stomach again.

Diane says thank you once more, almost as damage control, as she tries to leave. Bojack desperately tries to keep her around to prolong the inevitable, just for a bit more. Just one last good memory. For the window of time that he tells the story, you can see Bojack loosen up. He gets hopeful again. He smiles. He almost forgets Diane is gonna leave after he runs out of words.

And then he does. His words stop, their voices die out with their laughter and the familiarity of the conversation. The familiarity of them. They have nothing left to do. No other way to end their chapter together.

Bojack decides to end it with another depressing joke, as has been customary for his and Diane's dynamic. But instead of laughing or agreeing, Diane goes against his words. Discomfort and confusion outline Bojack's features again. That's not right. That's not the Diane he knows. Then Diane talks about how nice of a night it is, and Bojack goes back to smiling and a more comfortable demeanor. "This is nice" he says, and looks to Diane for approval. He frowns when all she does is stare at the sky. The realization finally sets in, finally. Bojack looks at her with concern, praying she'll just say a simple "Yeah". But nothing. Defeat. And then acceptance. They stay in silence. You can see Bojack wants to say something, to try and save this relationship. But a part of him pulls him back. The part of him that knows the truth.

Diane changed for the better, when he just changed.

[sludgekludge]

what even was the point of wanting to make helluva about 'messy romance and complex characters' if they can't commit to that at even the most basic level. the narrative will just decide that a character has done wrong without explaining what or how, it'll completely ignore or justify legitimately dubious things, it's so desperate to tell you exactly how to feel about certain characters...

stella's dialogue is so cartoonishly on-the-nose evil and she has no actual motivations. none of stolas' mistakes are acknowledged until now, 2 seasons in (and even then, they're trying to justify them), half the stolitz-related conflicts are almost comically childish. blitz yelled at stolas, which is mean. instead of looking at this with nuance, blitz is in the wrong, and stolas is not. there is a wrong party and a right party, every time. there are no shades of grey.

where's the complexity? these characters range from cardboard to slightly thicker cardboard with maybe a drawing of a frowny face on it, except the frowny face changes colours every time you look at it because the writers worship inconsistencies.

[captainuranium543]

I feel so conflicted about fairy tail continuing after 100 year because on the one hand I know it's probably a bad idea. A lot of fairy tail current issues are symptomatic of it just going on too long, and that's fine, sometimes the things you love need to end. But at the same time it feels like such a waste because I KNOW fairy tail can be better, I KNOW it has potential and there's so much that could be explored even now. If fairy tail ends after 100 year I will be sad because as much as I think the time has come it has so much to it that has gone unexplored and if it ends then that possibility will end with it.

[teddybeach]

You're Bojack Horseman; there's no cure for that.

[thediamondarcher]

The difference between knowing how to write a bad parent having dementia without absolutely losing the point of how having an abuser as a parent can affect you and how you don't need to forgive them. (BECAUSE NOTHING SHOULD GIVE THE MESSAGE SHAMELESS GAVE)

In Beatrice's last scene we see BoJack empathizing with her but not forgiving her, because he doesn't have to.

He was genuinely feeling bad about her because he realized she's not the same person who abused him anymore.

We got to see Beatrice as a child, the abuse, the bullying, the being silent and mistreated, everything in just a couple of episodes. While in shameless we got 11 seasons to see Franks backstory and they barely showed that, the show ended with a scene trying to make us feel bad about an abuser without even explaining anything, we're just supposed to feel sorry for him because he has dementia? I'm not even saying that showing his past would've helped with the show giving a good message because someone's past doesn't justify their actions but they didn't even make an effort to try to write it in a good and not hurtful way.

I really think shameless is giving an awful point with Frank's character. They're basically telling you to forgive your abuser just because they're "also broken" which is completely ridiculous and can really affect other people's mental health and journey. While BJHM is showing not to forgive, just understand.

I know they're just shows but writers should be more aware of how showing these types of characters can affect real people who went through real abuse.

I don't hate Shameless but i do think the writers of that show should've thought things twice before giving this awful message (also being a famous show and a lot of people's comfort show this is even more dangerous)

you don't have to forgive your abuser!!

[dongslinger--420]

The no.1 rule of BoJack Horseman is that if anything has the potential to happen in a more stupid way than what you would initially expect, it will happen that way. Todd does NOT find the receipt under the chair, he sees a news story about Character Actress Margo Martindale and his ADHD does the rest of the work for him. Herb does NOT die of cancer, he dies of a peanut allergy he got after crashing into a peanut truck. Jessica Biel loses the election EXCLUSIVELY because she doesn't like avocados. BoJack loses all his money because the Xerox company sues him for negatively comparing himself to a Xerox because of COURSE that's how it happens.

[stanlunter]

Can we all agree that the funniest thing in the world is when those homophobic misogynistic little sigma boys join become the fans of the show/movie that as they thought makes fun of minorities only to find out this whole time they were the ones the show was making fun of???

[kindheart525]

What I’m noticing about my fandom habits is that I tend to get most active in the ones that I can make fankids for. Those always seem to be the more lighthearted shows where I personally feel there’s a bit more versatility to make the characters’ futures what you want. As an example, MLP has a lot of characters you can imagine as good parents, but most Bojack Horseman characters straight up should not have children. In general, I find it easier to add more serious themes to a lighthearted show than to add whimsy to a heavy show because of how fundamentally different the foundations are. A mixture of angst and joy hits different when the angst is self-created rather than baked into the show. I hope I’m making sense.

[wengenn]

They don't make light hearted comedy shows turning into dramatic but still keeping their humour like they used to

[imreallyonthishellsite]

add your opinions in the tags if there's a fandom I should've added

[bojackhorsemanobviously]

Bojack is a clingy parent, suffocating/very attached very loving.. and this might be fine for the kid until they reach later kid/ teen years and feel overwhelmed and try to get some space which bojack will take as a personal attack thinking they hate him forever ..

[lyril]

the only big acclaimed bojack episodes i knew about before watching were all the ones that are like the deepest hardest to get through episodes and last night we just watched the fish one that's a half hour of underwater cartoon shenanigans and animal jokes with no dialouge and were like Oh my god????? the whole entire time because i was not aware of it at all but it was incredible

[manwholovescabins]

oh season 2 episode 11 of bojack horseman you are so fucked up

[david-box]

There's a certain something something to Bojack Horseman that makes it not really furry media despite ostensibly having all the elements it needs. I think I need to rewatch that Patricia Taxxon video bc for the life of me I cannot figure out what it is