#i love TCW and also Satine Kryze

[mytardisisparked]

Can you imagine if you were a smuggler on the black market, unloading your evil wares on Mandalore, and then the freaking Duchess of Mandalore herself shows up to arrest you personally??????

[omaano]

Hi! If you're still accepting requests for the poly poses!! How about IH for Obi-Wan, Cody and Satine? Because yk he has two hands 🫡🥹

He does indeed have two hands, and both of them should be occupied at all times :3 Thank you for asking @lightasthesun 🥰

Polyamorous/platonic poses for sketching

and the other drawings I’ve made for them (I am halfway through all your lovely requests for reals this time!!)

[tomicaleto]

if you're taking the reverse trope writing prompts - strangers to enemies plz?

Hi anon! Here you go!

REVERSE TROPE WRITING PROMPTS

Strangers to enemies

This is an AU where Anakin goes to rescue Satine instead of Obi-Wan. If you wanna know more of how that happened, I would love to answer it!

Disclaimer: I don't recall if Anakin and Maul met during TCW but in this AU they haven't, enjoy!

“You are not Kenobi…” Anakin glared at Maul sitting on the Mandalorian throne. Around them, most Death Watch members that had been standing guard were knocked out, some even dead after trying to stop Anakin from confronting the Sith. 

Kneeling next to the throne, the duchess, her hair in disarray, probably from being thrown into prison and her escape attempt, her outfit, once elegant and regal, dirty and thorn at the hem of her dress. She had dark bags under her eyes, her appearance gaunt compared to the last time Anakin had seen her. 

“Release the duchess, Sith,” Anakin spit out, lightsaber humming at his side. From Maul’s other side, Savage took a step forward, his own lightsaber ready but the blade shed. Maul raised a hand and his brother stopped. 

Maul’s bloodshot eyes evaluated Anakin, from the stolen Mandalorian armour to his lightsaber to his face. “I remember you.” He hissed. “You were but a nasty, little pest, following that Jedi.” Anakin only braced himself. “Should have run you over when I had the chance.” He moved his hand, pointing two fingers at Anakin.  Savage immediately thrust himself against Anakin, who crouched down to avoid the massive Zabrak before swiftly kicking back, managing to land it on Savage’s back and make him stumble. 

He jumped forwards, swinging his lightsaber towards Maul, who swiftly avoided it and turned on the black saber. But Anakin had successfully put himself where he wanted, between the Sith and the duchess. Maul measured him, giving Savage enough time to recover and turn around.  As both Sith readied to charge forwards, Anakin changed the lightsaber to his other hand and quickly grabbed the duchess by the waist. Without wasting any minute, he ran towards the closest picture window and kicked the glass, jumping to the city below.  He readjusted himself and the duchess and turned his head towards the broken glass, where both Sith seethed as he fell. “Master Kenobi sends his regards!” He taunted, as the Sith finally left his sight and he focused on slowing down their fall into the underbelly of Sundari, Maul’s furious roar vaguely reaching their ears. 

Thank you for asking!

[separatist-apologist]

Hi MB!

I hope you had a wonderful May 4th!!

I’ve just recently gotten into StarsWars (specifically the clone wars) and have discovered Obi Wan and Satine. Are you a big fan of them?

Is Satine only in the clone wars or are there also books that she is in? And what are your favorite Obi wan books?

If you do ship them are there any fics that you have read that you recommend?

I consulted @melting-houses-of-gold for this list, anon- anyone looking for a SW fanfic rec should ABSOLUTELY hit her up (AND FOLLOW HER), she is a compendium of knowledge!

Had You Said The Word by @velidewrites:

*crawls out of delusion box* But what if Satine DIDN'T die?

OR

TCW Season 5 Episode 16 reimagined to spare our feelings and simp for Dark Side!Obi Wan.

a map toward honor by @/galateagalvanized:

"Wait, I’m sorry, Satine, did you—did you steal two million clones?”

“‘Steal’, Obi-Wan? You can’t steal free-willed people." Satine laughs. "No, my dear. Kal sent me the access codes for every landing pad, door, and defense network the Kaminoans had, and we shut it all down. I don’t think even their automatic toilets were working by the time we walked through their front doors. After that, well. We had a nice chat with the clones, and we killed every single Kaminoan that tried to stop any of us from walking back out.”

Or: Satine steals some clones, steals a Jedi, and saves the universe. This is the way.

Morning Star by @/kurenaino: this is a series, so check out each work for the summary

The Jedi And His Duchess by @/sulis57:

Satine Kryze is a pacifist because of the Mandalorian civil war. But the idea first takes root in her mind after watching something terrible happen to Obi-Wan Kenobi.

The story of how Obi-Wan and Satine fell in love when they were young, and how their feelings reemerged when they reconnected during the Clone Wars.

Told in dual timelines. Graphic Violence. Takes place pre Phantom Menace/post Clone Wars episode Duchess of Mandalore.

“Calm yourself, young one.” Qui-Gon’s large hands stroked her cheekbones. “Where is Obi-Wan?”

She stared at him with wild eyes, tears still running down her face. “They took him.”

Qui-Gon’s look changed instantly, his features fell as fear gripped his heart. “Where?”

“Down the mountain, by the river.”

“Who was it?”

“Five bounty hunters. Obi-Wan could sense them coming. He told me to run.” Her chin began to tremble. “But I heard him scream so I went back.”

Only Hope by @/tessiete: Another series, again check out the individual summaries!

She Said The Word by @/the_obiwan_for_me:

In one universe, Jedi padawan Obi-Wan Kenobi is not asked to stay by the love of his life, Duchess Satine Kryze. We all know how that story goes.

In another, she said the word.

How is the galaxy effected when the great Jedi Master Obi-Wan Kenobi never existed?

What does a galaxy torn to pieces look like with family man/consort to the Mandalorian Duchess Obi-Wan Kenobi in it?

[aspoonfuloffiction]

The choice to make Lizzo a Duchess of an independent outer rim planet that she’s successfully worked to reform after a war by introducing democracy, society, and art as opposed to violence. Bringing her home into a new age of prosperity and development. But in doing so her planet’s own military and policing system was significantly weakened and weapons were not allowed within its domed city walls. Where she chooses to exile, with the promise of potential future forgiveness, to the planet’s moon rather than punish a dude traditionally. (Also she’s in love with an outsider that isn’t super welcome on her planet because of his past in a group involved in the destruction of her home)

…that’s gotta be deliberate right? I know this show is bizarrely averse to saying her name but to me Satine was ever present in the episode essentially this episode in 40 some minutes basically blazes through the entire Mandalore arc on TCW. It illustrates both the sky high achievements and deep pitfalls of Satine’s New Mandalorian government through Plazir-15…hell Plazir-15 even LOOKS like Clone Wars era Sundari

Lizzo (I know the character has a name but she’s Lizzo to me) IS Satine.

I just can’t tell if I like this very obvious allusion or if it makes me even angrier about the exclusion of Satine Kryze. Because there’s literally NO WAY Bo-Katan wouldn’t immediately be reminded of Satine and Sundari this episode…

[impossibleprincess35]

Hello, I'm watching the clone wars again. and it had not caught my attention satine kryze until now, could you explain to me about his personality and character. Thank you for reading

Hi there!

Factually, Satine Kryze is the Duchess of Mandalore, and she is a pacifist, representing the New Mandalorians who have turned from the violent ways of their past. Without bias, it's pretty safe to say that she has a relatively high approval rating among her people, and she has done some incredible work rebuilding Mandalore following years of civil war among her people. Famously, Satine does not align Mandalore with the Republic or the Separatists in the Clone Wars, and instead, forms the Council of Neutral Systems, for other leaders who also eschew taking sides in the conflict. She is the daughter of a warlord (Duke Adonai Kryze, though other than his name, we know little of), and she has a sister, Bo-Katan Kryze, and a nephew, Korkie Kryze.

There are lots of little crumbs of information that Dave Filoni, Pablo Hidalgo, and one or two others involved in the making of "The Clone Wars" have dropped over the years in regards to things such as the age difference between Satine and Bo-Katan, and if there is another Kryze sibling to explain the nephew (who, it has been confirmed, is not Bo-Katan's child), but basically, nothing is established as canon, so we're all out there theorizing our asses off. :)

Also, when she was younger, she was put in the protection of Jedi Master Qui-Gon Jinn and his padawan, Obi-Wan Kenobi, for a year. During this time, she and Obi-Wan fell in love, but they went their separate ways, choosing Mandalore and the Jedi Order over each other. (It's canon that she nicknamed him "Ben." Also, a big fan theory is that Korkie Kryze is actually Obi-Wan's son, but it's not canon, so.. *shrugs*)

All this being said, Satine's fascinating. She's haughty, she's ill-tempered, she's snippy, but she's also compassionate and she's scrappy. She loves Mandalore fiercely, enough to take principled stances that make her unpopular with the rest of the galaxy, and she shows mercy to even domestic terrorists who bomb her city.

In my humble opinion, she is a vastly complex character that deserves so much more exploration, but because there's very little about her in canon aside from her episodes in TCW and a few small mentions in books, most of what you'll find is fandom content.

But those who love her love her dearly, and those who hate her really fucking hate her, and you'll find most people feel strongly one way or the other.

Thanks for the ask and I hope this helps! If not, or if you have anything further, don't hesitate to reach out! I'm happy to answer/help/guide you in the right direction! :)

[kanansdume]

I'm finding my views on Satine Kryze to be really following my views on Padme these days, which seems appropriate given that Satine has always felt like a knock-off Padme anyway and her entire existence is intended to help parallel Padme and Anakin's relationship.

But I really hated Satine when I first watched TCW a few years ago. I couldn't stand the way she treated Obi-Wan, I felt like the entire romance was pretty shoe-horned and ham-fisted and full of a lot of romance tropes between hetero couples that I'm not fond of. And I also interpreted the explanation we get about Mandalore's current peace and what had to be done to make it that way as... not great and kind-of a cultural extermination of some kind.

Since then I've followed a number of people who happen to love and defend Satine and her political choices, read through their metas about why the warriors being exiled to Concordia was a reasonable choice to make at the time. I've also read a few posts that still condemn that choice the way I did initially.

And while I think the INTENTION of the writing here was that this was a reasonable choice for Satine to make, that she was exiling the people who refused to be peaceful and practice their culture without trying to start a war all over again, the way it's said and written does NOT feel like that. At least, not to all of us.

For one, the usage of the term "warriors" in the line. They say they exiled "all the warriors" to a nearby moon. They don't say "we exiled everyone who refused to stop fighting and killing for a war that had already stopped" or "we exiled Death Watch who were a well-known terrorist group" or anything like that. They JUST say "warriors" which does feel vague enough as a description to feel like she is exiling literally everyone who happens to be someone who knows how to fight and has based their culture around being warriors, regardless of whether they were a problem or not. It also then feels hypocritical of her to have done so when she very clearly has guards who can fight on her behalf, so either she didn't exile ALL of the warriors or she managed to get a few people she decided to give exceptions to in order to learn how to protect her.

And because of this vagueness, the natural assumption to make from there is that Satine has basically forbidden everything that WENT ALONG with warrior culture: wearing armor, using weapons, learning how to fight, etc. Everything that we've been told via other media is VERY IMPORTANT to Mandalorian culture. I think we can reasonably decide that this was... PROBABLY not true, there's no canon evidence for this being true that I can recall. She never SAYS anything about forbidding armor or learning how to fight and only forbids OUTSIDERS from carrying weapons. She herself personally refuses to use lethal weapons and doesn't appear to wear any armor ever, but I don't think there's any mention of her not allowing other people to do so. Obviously her guards do in fact wear armor and carry weapons. She doesn't even condemn Padme for picking up a blaster to help fight off some smugglers at one point, despite that theoretically going against the rule of no outsiders carrying/using weapons.

Satine ALSO seems to be someone who does, to some degree, take a lot of pride in Mandalorian culture and traditions. She says as much when Padme shows up. So in some ways, it doesn't make sense that she'd entirely eliminate a portion of that culture so long as those who practiced it weren't using it to actively hurt other people.

That being said, Satine is someone who is... particularly implacable in her beliefs. We see this MOST clearly with Obi-Wan and the way Satine discusses the Jedi and the war with him and the way she condemns his entire people for fighting in the war at all, despite all of the obvious reasons TO fight the war that we have as the audience. It's never made canon in the show itself, but we also know from Lucas's interviews that the Jedi didn't even have a CHOICE about whether to join the war as Generals or not, they got drafted. But Satine appears unwilling to listen to Obi-Wan's reasoning, to hear him out on why they're working to protect people, to re-evaluate her personal definition of "peacekeepers" for someone else's culture. She never budges on this particular issue, not once. She and Obi-Wan basically just stop discussing it at some point.

So with that in mind, it does feel in character that Satine could be so insistent on keeping a war from happening that she could exile everyone who refused to stop practicing warrior traditions, regardless of whether they were hurting someone else or not. Especially if she was a young traumatized teenager at the time, reacting to a civil war that kept her on the run for a year and appears to have done a lot of damage to the planet.

And then we come to the part where they tell us that EVERYBODY who had been exiled had died out. Everyone. Within a span of TWENTY YEARS, which is not that long of a time. Which calls into question certain things like whether the people who were exiled were allowed to LEAVE it in order to find a place to live that accepted them so long as it wasn't within Mandalorian space. Were they allowed to make contact with other people to bring them resources and supplies or not. If they had just said "everybody left the moon and we assume they have since found refuge elsewhere" that would be different. But they all are supposedly DEAD, which to me speaks of a more concerted effort to not allow those people to leave and an equal effort not to take care of them. While it's entirely probable that this report was a LIE given by Pre Viszla and all of those people have simply now joined Pre's Death Watch, neither Satine nor anyone in her government appears to feel all that upset about it. It's not a tragedy that no one was able to stop in time, a dark spot upon their history and Satine's leadership that she acknowledges.

And that feels particularly condemning to me.

But the problem is that I don't think we're intended to see it that way. I don't think it was intentionally written as something the audience would actually condemn Satine for.

Which means that this is where we hit upon the Padme Problem. Which is when they care so little about their female characters that the nuances that are implied by the dialogue and writing are glossed over to the point that the character ends up seeming more of a terrible person than they were intended to be. Padme's brushing off of Anakin's massacre of the Tuskens makes her seem like a racist whose grand values suddenly don't exist, solely because Padme's motivations aren't the ones that matter in this scene and nobody cared enough about her when writing this to realize exactly how it would come off to an audience. With Satine, it's the unfortunate usage of the vague term "warriors" and the fact that they all died combined with her implacable attitude towards Obi-Wan and the Jedi which is a result of them using bad romcom tropes of the time for that relationship. All of which leads to Satine feeling like a tyrant who advocates for cultural extermination, because it's the only way some of these inconsistencies make any sense sometimes.

Which is too bad, because Satine perhaps COULD'VE been a better written character, could've been more interesting as one of the few characters in Star Wars who is actively advocating for pacifism and looking at how that fits into the world around her. But she just... isn't a better written character. Not unlike Padme. Or her sister.

[gffa]

Hey Lumi! I've been loving your Bo-Katan commentary and have appreciated the way you make connections to previous content from Clone Wars and Rebels, pointing out lots of things I would have missed otherwise! So I hope you don't mind a lore question. Has Bo-Katan ever been referred to as a "princess" before this episode? I was confused when she said that, since Satine was a Duchess, and I hadn't ever gotten the impression that Mandalore was a strict hereditary monarchy, but that the houses would rise and fall. I got nothing from reading Wookiepedia so I'm hoping you can shed some light!

Hi! Thank you, I'm glad the Bo-Katan commentary has been entertaining! I have to admit, I've fallen back in love with Mean Wife, she is so mean and so great! Unfortunately, I'm not going to be able to help much with the Mandalorian stuff because there's really not a lot about it in canon. Legends probably covered a bunch of stuff, but The Mandalorian is not part of the Legends continuity, so who knows what Favreau is going to do with this. I'm not sure we really know how Mandalore's royalty situation worked out, why Satine was Duchess instead of Queen, if there's a functional difference, if it's one of those situations like where Padme was Queen of Naboo, but it was an elected position, that maybe terms don't mean the same thing in Star Wars as they do in our universe, and "Duchess" means "Queen" to them, etc. All of that is speculation! I did get the impression that Satine's position was hereditary because she came into that position when she was very young, given the age she and Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon were on the run, but if she'd been elected, she wouldn't still be Duchess and she probably would have been more popular at that time. But also because House Kryze was established as a thing (like House Vizsla) in TCW, which is hereditary as well, if we're going by how long House Vizsla has history all the way back to at least Tarre Vizsla. But a lot of that is based on the vibes I got from how characters acted and how there was nothing mentioned of rises and falls or elections, like Pre Vizsla didn't become the Duke of Mandalore, instead it fell to the Prime Minister that he was puppet mastering, despite that Pre was from House Vizsla, which has a long, long history with Mandalore. So, the "Princess" line threw me, but I'm just assuming that, yeah, the Kryze family was royalty and that we're not meant to take "Princess" super literally in a 1:1 relation to our own world or that maybe she was Princess of Kalevala, but Duchess/Duke was a separate role that a person from House Kryze inherited. (And should have passed to Bo-Katan on Satine's death, but the political upheaval on Mandalore was too chaotic and they weren't willing to rally around Bo-Katan at the time.) Really, though, it's impossible to say, we don't know nearly enough about canon to say what the term "Princess" means or if Favreau doesn't care and just threw it in there because it sounded good. Never underestimate the power of something sounding good. XD

[an-old-lady]

Just ran into your blog for the first time after seeing the ask you answered with Padme's outfits, and you are amazing. You know those sugar cookies where people go all out and draw stuff on them with frosting. You know the vibe you get when you enter a kitchen that's been recently doing that? It feels like that. Cozy, but not in a sleeping-in way, but cozy in an "I'm 8 and I spent the last 8 hours playing out in the summer sun with my friends and now we're inside and our parents made cookies and we're playing with dolls on the floor of my childhood living room while the grownups are talking in the dining room and nothing bad has happened to me yet" way. Does that make sense?

ANYWAY, the question I had for you is are you thinking about doing outfits for those in TCW? I've seen you do Rex, but I'm wondering if you've been planning on drawing other characters because, if I'm not mistaken, Satine Kryze is the only Star Wars character based on a real-world leader. I wonder how someone based on the Elizabethan era would look in you're art style, since one can clearly see the Queen Elizabeth references in the last two outfits Satine wore in the Lawless arc (especially the dress version before she was imprisoned)

Love your art style XOXO

First of all, wow idk what to say, thank you so much! 💕😭

Also, thanks for bringing Satine to my attention, because I hadn't considered her! Ugh, now I wanna draw something with her and Obi-Wan!!!

And she would have Galadriel vibes FOR SURE.

[sandwrrm]

omg i love all ur hcs!!! i think it makes sense so many of them would be dark/depressing bc she is dark and depressing lol but that's why we love her!! pls feel free to continue if you want :)

Aaaaaa thank you!!!! And yes I agree, the fact that she is sad wet and pathetic is exactly what makes her so interesting!! Okay ask and you shall receive:

— I feel like Bo was also living a double life during the years leading up to TCW era, dedicating herself to building up and co-leading Death Watch but also maintaining the facade of her life in Sundari (to keep up appearances/maintain her position of status, but also mostly to collect government intel and leak it back to DW)

—Lowkey more of a Bo-adjacent HC but: in the wake of the events of The Mandalore Plot (after Vizsla is exposed as the leader of Death Watch) I feel like Satine just. Knows. her sister must be involved too based on how close the two of them always were (though she never suspected anything negative or dangerous going on between them) but she doesn't want to believe it. The next day, footage of Bo fleeing the scene of a DW-incited riot on a nearby world hits the news. She sneers directly into the camera. Satine knows the look was intended just for her.

(Aight I can't promise these will all be lighter but I'm throwing in some HCs that are at least random and a bit shorter:)

— The nite owl crest is the historic signet of House Kryze, Bo sees using it to represent her own elite warriors as a first step to reclaiming a bit of her family's honor and reputation

— She is extremely tall, like 5'11", and extremely freckled. I feel like she started out insecure about standing out and the attention that came with it, but grew to not really care and even use it to her advantage.

— Zero filters, swears constantly, extremely sarcastic, is never above inciting a fight or argument no matter how petty, etc etc

—Banter is her love language, platonic or romantic. If she can talk shit to and about you in a funny affectionate way and trust that you'll give as good as you get, that means she's truly 100% comfortable and trusting around you.

— Lowkey suffers from not like other girls syndrome. A tomboy who never aged out of her "ew I don't have a girly side and I never will" era. Pretty feminist outside of this one blind spot.

— She's all-in on taking down Satine along with her government, no regrets no personal feelings. The only person she sometimes feels a pang of remorse over in the whole situation is Korkie. I feel like when Bo was in their lives, they had a big-little sibling dynamic more than she and Satine did in many ways (based on my HCs they would've only been 5 years apart, whereas she and Satine would have been 10-11 apart.) She can mostly put it out of her mind but occasionally a bit of guilt over turning on him hits her. She hopes maybe he'll see reason and join the correct side when the fateful moment comes. (oops shit this one was long again)

Aight stopping before the post gets long af, thank you for inviting me to rant again!!! I.... could literally go on until the end of time if you actually want more....

[scottysketches]

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My primary fandoms that I write for are Mass Effect, Dragon Age Inquisition / The Veilguard, Star Wars: The Clone Wars and Assassin’s Creed Revelations / Odyssey, however I do also occasionally dip my toes into other Assassin’s Creed titles, Final Fantasy XV, RWBY, Thunderbirds Are Go (2015 reboot), Doctor Who (and its various spin-offs) and Sonic the Hedgehog.

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[radiosummons]

Love these notes @yamineftis lol I find Bo Katan very interesting as a character, in that I'm always wondering whether the reason I like her so much is either A) because I can enjoy seeing a flawed character so desperately trying to assert their idea of what their destiny should be/look like while the narrative continues to suggest something else ... or whether B) the writers just aren't as committed to seeing a flawed character's arc through and are simply writing them as an obstacle for another character they prefer.

(Not that there's anything wrong with that, it's just a thought I constantly have whenever I engage with any piece of media with this particular set up).

I do very much subscribe to the idea that the Mandalorians lost faith in her. Whether that was due solely in part to her inability to measure up to their standards, follow up on some promises she made, etc or simply because the Mandalore Bo Katan is fighting for ... just no longer exists.

Bo Katan, to me, is sort of a tragic figure. She seems to consistently hold onto a version of Mandalore that she rememebers and is desperately trying to get everyone else to remember, too. Just like her sister, everything Bo does, she believes is just in doing so. Or at the very least, that everything she's been through has to mean something. Because otherwise, what was the point of it all?

(more meta/thoughts under the cut)

Now while I don't agree with how certain aspects of TCW/Rebels (the minor bits that I've seen)/The Mandalorian choose to handle Bo Katan or Satine ... I can see what the writers were going for; depicting two extremely different reactions to tradegy, where one sibling chooses the path of complete nonviolence and the other of absolute violence.

For the sake of time, I'm not going to get into the weeds with Satine (as there are others have done remarkably better jobs with discussing her policies/influence/impact on Mandalore than I can do atm), but I do want to mention how Bo Katan's reaction to their shared trauma sort of lead her down the path she's on.

Unlike Satine, Bo Katan believed the better way to go about "saving Mandalore" was by sticking to and doubling down on warrior Mandalorian traditions and beliefs. However, this did lead to a time when she herself becoming a dedicated member of Death Watch. A period of time which she seems to be choosing to straight up ignore (I know Favroni aren't really addressing her time in Death Watch directly as that's more of a Legends ref, but my generous take on this is that Bo Katan is ashamed of her history with Death Watch. Again, idk if that's what Favroni is actually going for so we'll see). Up until Maul killed Satine and then took the Mandalorian throne for himself, Bo Katan was a pretty loyal member.

There might have even been a time where Bo Katan didn't necessarily agree that the Darksaber should be used as a symbol of "the right to rule," but possibly saw it as a tool that could be used to help Death Watch take back Mandalore to the one she remembered.

(I'm leaning more towards this interpretation just based on how she refers to the Darksaber in TCW/Rebels/The Mandalorian, as she just doesn't seem to hold any sort of reverance for the Darksaber other than what it could do to help solidify herself as a leader).

However, once Maul claims the Darksaber, it's made clear to Bo Katan that this way of thinking is flawed as fuck. Because, clearly, using the Darksaber to choose the rightful ruler of Mandalore opens a pathway for non-Mandalorians to take over. And to Bo Katan and many other Mandalorians, this is absolutely unacceptable.

I think it's also interesting that Bo Katan is the only remaining Kryze we see consistently depicted across multiple shows. Out of everyone--her parents/her sister, Pre Vizsla/Death Watch, every Mandalorian during the civil wars and the brutal near massascre done on part by the Empire--Bo Katan survives. She's a living memory of everything Mandalore has been through. And she's one of the few still left to be able to tell of the great injustices done to the Mandalorian people, but also a reminder of the horrors that the Mandalorians inflicted on others and themselves.

However, her own people have lost faith in her. As much as Bo Katan wants to "make things right," it seems that she just can't do it. Or at the very least, she keeps going about it in the same way she's always done, never once considering that there might be another option.

Bo Katan is not an idiot. She understands why the Darksaber has value, even if she herself might not hold it in the same regard as others due. She understand the importance of symbols and of using said symbols to gain authority and respect. But she doesn't seem to know how to keep it.

My hope is that Favroni will finally give Bo Katan the opportunity to realize that there is another way. Her irritation/resignation towards the Darksaber as an authority status symbol, as well as her own personal frustration with her continued failure to unite her people is already fascinating to watch.

I would absolutely love to have Bo Katan be able to have some part in reuniting Mandalore, even if that meant she had to step back and accept someone else as the new leader of their people. It doesn't even have to be Din (although that would be a lot of fun to see, espeically considering he's from the very "cult" she has the most personal beef with). I would honestly enjoy seeing her finally come to terms with the fact that her part in Mandalore's destiny might not being the one who is leading, but maybe as someone who can aid the new Manda'lor.

The thing I fear for most is that Bo Katan just dies. It would be so absolutely frustrating and unsatisfying for her character to have gone through so much, only for her entire character arc to just end before it could be completed. I'm have no clue what Favroni has in store for her. I can only hope that they'll do her right.

Yeah I don't understand why anyone other than the children of the watch would give a shit about the darksaber. It holds no meaning to any of them.

[duchess-of-mandalore]

I have read a very unique theories that the actual child of Satine and Obi is Bo-Katan and not Korkie! That is why Obi didn’t know a thing about a “sister” and the fact that Bo is way younger than Satine.

What do you think about it?

Hi, piccola! Thanks for asking! Unfortunately, I fear I will make you regret it because I can offer no encouragement or enjoyment of this theory. In fact, I think it's a load of poodoo.

Ironically, you may have originally heard of the theory from me. I made a post that did some good numbers on Twitter and tumblr, but it was meant sarcastically, and I'll explain why.

The only reason it exists is that Jon Favreau decided The Mandalorian would be set all the way in 9/10 ABY. Season 1 premiered and then Katee Sackhoff gave Dave Filoni the idea to include her as live-action Bo-Katan in Season 2. Katee (starting in her early 30s) voiced Bo-Katan in TCW. When she first appeared, the story was in the year 20 BBY. That means there are 30 years in between her first appearance in The Clone Wars and her first appearance in The Mandalorian.

I understand why you said, "Bo is way younger than Satine." Katee actually said the same thing. She's the one who estimated that Bo is about "47 to 51" (like I wrote in that Twitter post). But that's not how Bo-Katan was designed. Dave Filoni designed Bo and Satine to be twins or very close to twins. In 2013, Filoni made several comments about how in his mind, something formative happened in Bo and Satine's backstories when they were both six years old.

So if they're twins, how old are the Kryze sisters?

Obi-Wan Kenobi is 38 years old at the end of The Clone Wars. Satine is close to his age because we know that they fell in love while they were on the run for a year. Thus Bo must also be in her mid-late 30s in TCW. And that's how it was *always* presented ... until The Mandalorian (In Rebels they added prominent forehead wrinkles to her design in the assumption that she was in her 50s, and that's only set in 1 BBY).

Plus, it also makes zero sense because if Satine is in her late 30s and Bo-Katan is 20 years younger (to make the Bo-Katan Kenobi theory possible), then this line is pretty dumb.

"There was a time when we weren't enemies. Remember when I was 30 and you were 10?"

Silly.

There are other reasons why the Young Bo theory falls apart, like the fact that Satine's father is killed before she meets Obi-Wan, but in The Mandalorian, Bo-Katan recalls that her father was with her when she swore the Creed. So she can't actually be that much younger than Satine. There is simply no way that she is not at least 60 years old in The Mandalorian, and given that I subscribe to the Kryze Twins assumption, I lean more toward her being about 68 or so.

All that is to say that I definitely don't subscribe to either the Young Bo theory or the Bo-Katan Kenobi theory and truly wish that there were no basis for either one, even if that means wishing Katee (who's awesome) never showed up as Bo (who's awesome) in The Mandalorian.

And it really makes me sad that in the name of justifying having Katee play her character 30 years into the future (and erasing all mention of Satine), they have now implicitly deprived Satine of having her sister in her life in all her years growing up. Satine is a character who already has so few canon relationships, and they removed her only living family member from her generation. It just makes me sad on Satine's behalf and Bo-Katan's behalf as well.

[kenobibabe]

tfw you’re trying to escape venom-mites but you drop the duchess of mandalore and injure yourself more trying to help her

[lightasthesun]

Being a fic writer means having a pinterest folder dedicated to your characters wardrobe.

[mandalorianchronicles]

Thanks for mentioning these, but I'm still not sure how anything you added actually contradicts anything here.

1) This timeline doesn't say that the surface of Mandalore was destroyed in the Annihilation 700 years ago. Sabine stated in Rebels that the surface was destroyed before she was born and it never had a chance to regrow. "This is what continuous war has done to my home."

2) Anything before 2014 isn't canon, so I don't see how a book published in 2012 claiming that Satine founded the New Mandalorians in any way affects what is written here. Neither are canon, but The Clone Wars suggests that the New Mandalorians had been around for quite a long time, unless we are expected to believe that a teenage daughter of a fighting warlord just singlehandedly transformed her whole society in 17 years.

3) The timeline says the Darksaber was forged around 1100 BBY. Wookiepedia says on the canon page that it was forged in 1050 BBY, but I haven't vetted their source. Every source I have on Tarre Vizsla puts him living at that time though, so it all lines up. The Darksaber was stolen in 1032 BBY when the Temple was raided. Rebels dialogue states the following:

Kanan: I didn't know Mandalorians developed a type of lightsaber.

Fenn: We didn't. This was one of a kind. Legend tells that it was created over a thousand years ago by Tarre Vizsla, the first Mandalorian ever inducted into the Jedi Order. After his passing, the Jedi kept the saber in their temple.

None of that contradicts this timeline. 1100-1050 BBY was "over a thousand years ago".

4) Everything we have heard recently from the Mandalorian also backs up this account. Bo-Katan confirmed that her father was a warlord and died in the Great Clan Wars (since that was the last conflict during Bo's lifetime). Boba's chain code showed Jango was adopted by Jaster Mereel. Nothing in TCW or Rebels contradicts this either.

So again, I'm aware it's not canon. But unless Disney puts out something that directly contradicts all of this, I'm going to assume it's accurate. I'm also aware that Tor Vizsla is a "jaded" historian, so the Republic "installing" the New Mandalorians might not be as accurate as the people on Mandalore simply got tired of the fighting and people with ideas influenced by democracy began to gain power. But it's the timing of it that is more important. It really doesn't make sense for the New Mandalorians to have just sprouted overnight being founded by Satine Kryze at the end of the Great Clan Wars. She might have reformed them into a purely pacifist sect, but there had to be a sizeable group of non-warrior Mandalorians on Mandalore for her to assume leadership of.

I'll look up that short story though...I love a good Kenobi read.

Mandalorian History 101

The following is a simplified timeline of all the major events in Mandalorian history leading up to The Clone Wars. This is compiled from the section of The Bounty Hunter Code dealing with Death Watch and Mandalorian history. It is copywrite 2014, the first year of the new canon. Though the book is not included in Disney canon, it was published after TCW episodes dealing Death Watch and not been refuted by anything in current canon, so there is no reason to believe it is not accurate. 

approx. 7000 BBY - The Taung race (Progenitors of present day Mandalorians) cleanse Mandalorian space of its inhabitants and lay down roots

approx. 4000 BBY - Mandalorians fight alongside the Sith in the Great Sith War, but are betrayed - Mand’alor the Ultimate opens up the creed to their slaves and conquered people because their race is dying out - They begin a campaign for galactic conquest called The Onlaught, but it was more to fill out their ranks with new recruits - They are defeated by the Republic and the Mandalorians lay low for a time

approx. 1100 BBY - Mand’alor the Uniter brought the best and brightest Mandalorians from the throughout the galaxy home - Warriors ruled, protecting the artisans, manufacturers, and laborers who supported them, and the vassals and servants who supported them in turn - The Darksaber is forged by Tarre Vizsla (the only Mandalorian to become a Jedi)

approx. 700 BBY - Mandalorians begin to stir again and the Jedi take up arms, nearly wiped them out in the “Annihilation” - The New Mandalorians who rejected the warrior ways gain power when the Republic installed them in the government - The Aka’liit (The Mandalorian Faithful to the warrior way) lived in the shadows, giving the allegiance to the True Mandalores they appointed

approx. 200 BBY - There is a split among the Faithful – some wanted to conquer any potential threats while others argued against starting wars and living by more peaceful means

approx. 60 BBY - The Faithful chose Jaster Mereel as the True Mandalore, who wanted to implement honorable rules of conduct for all Mandalorians on how they earn wealth by bounty hunting or the red trade - Tor Vizsla, who dreamed of Mandalorians returning to their roots as conquerors, split away and formed the Death Watch, becoming the Secret Mandalore. The Death Watch used the Darksaber (an heirloom of House Vizsla) as a symbol of their authority and made a decree than anyone could challenge the Secret Mandalore for leadership and “win” the Darksaber*

52 BBY - Tor Vizsla killed the True Mandalore, Jaster Mereel - Jango Fett’s adopted father

44 BBY - The Death Watch tricked the Jedi into eliminating the True Mandalorians for them

approx. 44-39 BBY - The Great Clan Wars take place within the ranks of the The Faithful - Adonai Kryze is killed in battle - Duchess Satine Kryze of the New Mandalorians assumes the throne of Mandalore - Tor Vizsla is killed by Jango Fett in 42 BBY - The Darksaber is entrusted to Pre Vizsla, governor of Concordia and the new Secret Mandalore of Death Watch, who takes in Bo-Katan Kryze as his protege

Since the Great Clan Wars take place after the True Mandalorians are wiped out, we know that Adonai Kryze was not part of their ranks. The following quote from Tor Vizsla concerning the Kryze family suggests that Adonai was one of his men, or was at least revered by him. Considering that Tor dies shortly after this is written, it’s not a big leap to see how Bo-Katan came to be on Concordia with Pre Vizsla, his successor. 

“Meanwhile, centuries of New Mandalorian lies had left the Mando’ade weak and soft. One of my kinswomen, the Duchess Satine Kryze, had been sent offworld as a child by her father, a mighy clan warlord, and she fell prey to the lies of the Jedi. After father perished in the Great Clan Wars, she betrayed his memory by becoming the leader of the New Mandalorians. Aided by Jedi tricks, she became the newest Anti-Mandalore, whereupon the exhausted Mando’ade flocked to her banner. Some of our warriors were exiled to the moon Concordia. Others – myself included – slipped away to resume the ba’slan shev’la.” - Tor Vizsla

* The decree that one could become Mand’alor by winning the Darksaber in combat from the current Mand’alor was an invention of Death Watch (in canon and legends), so it suggests a strong tie between Death Watch and the Children of the Watch that the latter is so hung up on this “tradition” when it’s only been a thing for about 70-75 years.