#i liked mira BUT CANDEROUS

[hnnny]

Surprise! I've improved a lot since--*checks date of old post*--April 28th, 2021?? Hello???

Listen, it's not hard to believe that I've been obsessed with this game and its characters for a long time lol

This was a heck of a lot of fun to draw though! I had to get creative with the composition to fit some of the characters I didn't originally include, but it was worth it lol

Here's an alternate version under the cut where Brianna and Mandalore aren't covering up the midground crew:

[sporadicsweetswitch]

Was playing my annual run through of KOTOR 2 and a friend who's only seen the clone wars and doesn't know the EPICNESS (*yeah I said it) of the early 2000's KOTOR series was watching. They asked why Bo Katan looked like that. I asked them to explain....they thought Mira Han was an early Bo Katan concept that had been changed (*kinda like Resident Evil changing Chris's face in RE7) and thought the game was post clone wars/pre-mandoloran series. The red hair and headband are the main reason for this confusion. Also, it didn't help that I put her in Mandalorian armour.

So onto the headcannon!

Mira who was confirmed to be a Mandalorian slave is actually an ancestor of the Kryze line and grew to be influential on how the Mandorlorians rebuilt themselves. No, I don't care that their 4000 year apart. Let me headcannon!

Bonus:

I also got to explain Canderous, Revan, Meetra Surik etc.... and now my friend is gonna play the games as well!! Gonna update her progress on this cause it's gonna be funny.

[attonposting]

So KotOR II, when you train your companions into Jedi, I think most of us immediately give our Force Friend Squad healing and lightning and whatever else is gonna make combat go quickest. But looking at them as people, what powers would they actually have an affinity for? What's natural for them to learn and use?

Atton cannot heal to save his life – and it would, given his tendency to get himself into trouble. However, what he does have a knack for is Revitalize, channeling his ability to hang in there and keep fighting no matter what. He's also got a nasty predisposition towards a couple of dark side powers, especially Force Choke. At first Atton is pretty irreverent about how he uses the Force – a blaster bolt or an exploded guy, dead is dead, so what's the difference? - but the issue is that, as before, he likes it. And he doesn't want to feel that anymore. Atton would also be quite good at mind tricks, being both a duplicitous asshole and an ex-assassin with specialized training on how mental domination works, but it's a moot point because he stubbornly refuses to learn them.

Bao-Dur's first foray into the Force involves learning to manipulate the currents in droids – they're the easiest energies for him to connect to, and disabling or overloading machinery from afar comes naturally. What also comes naturally, unfortunately, is Force Scream, especially when they land on Dxun and all his old war wounds are torn open. Canderous joining the crew was not a good time for him, and honestly, when Bao-Dur talks about how he feels calmer in the Exile's presence? I think it makes a lot of difference whether this chat happens before or after Dxun. Bao-Dur's a whirlpool beneath a calm surface, so psychic blasting people with repressed anger and pain hits pretty right from where I'm standing. He has to work a little harder to learn Force healing, but channeling his energy into reconstruction is something he eventually strikes a deep, quiet connection with.

Mira was the hardest for me to peg, at least with the game's power roster. We already know what she's best at through the Force – a strange combination of hunter's instinct and empathy, where she can find people by understanding how they think and what they need. There's no power equivalent to that, though. What I do think she'd excel at is Stun and Stasis. It's part because she always strives to disable people without killing them, and part because that's kind of her whole aesthetic (or at least that's what the design team would like us to believe, smh) – appearing nonthreatening and then taking you down before you ever realized you were in danger. A non-Dark-Side Mira would have a lot of trouble with blatantly lethal powers like Force Lightning and Force Choke, and if she doesn't, that's allll on the Exile's freaky influence warp.

Brianna is a master of combat buffs – at first mastering her own body, and then channeling that near-preternatural surefootedness to her allies. Master Speed, Force Valor, deflecting blaster bolts with her bare hands, it's all in her wheelhouse. Can totally see her in the middle of a pitched fight tossing people around with Force Wave, literally leaping across a battlefield with lightsabers flashing and landing with a shockwave that throws a dozen men back. Girl could go very anime if she wanted. Let's face it, she's earned it.

Mical is absolutely a healer. Guy already had medical training, and more importantly, he is friend-shaped. It's not something that companions can learn or use in-game, but I think that persuasion would also be in his wheelhouse – not for the sake of domination, but out of a sincere desire to seek better solutions where tempers, greed, and pride otherwise rule. Like, c'mon, he becomes a senator in some of his endings – now imagine that, but not completely disillusioned with the galaxy. He could cut you down, but he'd really rather you go home and rethink your life choices. I think there's strong grounds for him getting Force Enlightenment down the road, which is another exclusive-to-PC power that's beyond the scope of many Masters. Mical has about the most complete view of the Jedi Order anyone could aspire to, understanding without excusing its flaws and the easy pitfalls the Code can lead to while still truly believing in the good it can do for the galaxy.

Visas joins the party pre-equipped with a bunch of Dark Side powers, which makes me weep. Like, Force Horror? She's projecting the overwhelming trauma of Katarr. Choke and Lightning? You know Nihilus used them on her liberally. It's awful. But I'd like to think that on a Light Side run, as she grows into her own, she develops different affinities. I get support vibes again, but for Visas, it's about endurance, and sharing what she's gained with those who helped lift her up – Force Barrier and Energy Resistance, Force Aura, maybe Force Resistance. She can still wield her grief and her anger, but it doesn't rule her – she's not like Atton, where those powers hold a real and present danger for his psyche. She still feels that pain, and she's unafraid to use the darkness when necessity calls, but it's not the only thing that fills her heart anymore.

[aeskanera]

My personal ranking of Kotor companions from most to least favourite:

Juhani - naturally the top spot goes to the first lgbt+ character in star wars media. we love a lil lesbian

Mission Vao - this is my child, goes without saying

T3-M4 - he beeps! he goes deet deet! he has a flamethrower! he cost like a thousand credits though hence the third place ranking

Hanharr - so I know no one ranks him very highly ever or talks about him cause it’s actually pretty hard to get him in a play through but like. if you can find his dialogue options online and read through all his conversations I would so recommend it. He is absolutely fascinating whether you’re giving LS or DS answers and he’s an extraordinarily interesting character study (as are all the Kotor II characters but he’s a particularly underrated one). They took a lot of elements of Zaalbar but also Juhani and really fleshed them out and since Juhani’s my fav it makes sense I’d like him

Canderous Ordo - bioware let me romance him I’m begging you on hands and knees. that being said I know my opinion of him is biased for this reason so to be objective he’s a few spots down

Atton Rand - normally I don’t get the obsession when tumblr goes nuts for the most average men but like. i get it this time. Especially because he’s not average he’s arguably the most nuanced and complex star wars character to exist, even more so than Kreia (to me) with insane depth and his romance is certainly the best written romance in star wars. but also this man doesn’t shower

Mira - I feel like sis never gets enough credit for definitely (in my mind) being down bad for female exile. like she fully rejects male exile if he comes on to her and then when she comments to the other girls like “back off he’s mine” she follows up with clarifying that if anyone is going to turn him in for a bounty it’s her. and if female exile asks if Mira knows anything about men Mira’s just like “I know how to hunt them for bounties. What else could you possibly need them for.” and when you read her thoughts she only wonders how male exile still looks so young but for a female exile she specifically is like “she’s just so naturally beautiful” cue hearteyes. That being said her being wlw is not canon and she absolutely reeks of performative third wave feminism

Kreia - Kreia, sis, take a chill pill. wonderful, fascinatingly written character and all but like. damn. also middle of the list for being a parasocial mother figure to me in all the good ways and the bad. She would be lower but she was a fucking beast in combat plus carrying on the Star Wars legacy of losing hands in lightsaber duels

Carth Onasi - they said cookie cutter hero even down to the dead wife but also give this man the worst trust issues you’ve ever seen and make him awful at flirting. I did not know the game pseudo forces you into his romance even if you reject him, cause I’ll not lie the first time I played through the game his awkward and downright terrible rizz captivated me. but also if I didn’t give Mira a free pass for product-of-its-time writing, it’s not fair if I don’t also judge Carth for that so like negative points for pushy sexism

Visas Marr - don’t like that if you’re a male exile it forces you to have only saved her life out of sexual desire no matter what you say about it. and if we’re judging Carth’s romance for that, we have to judge this too. plus she’s so bad in fights, I don’t know what it was but I could never get her to stay conscious for any fights even low level ones no matter what I did in a play through. But also my darling with the best fashion taste in these entire games. Shy lil sweetheart who also fully was preparing to slit your throat. Like I love her, the uselessness as a companion is fully the reason she’s so low

Bastila Shan - she is as preachy as everyone says and it’s so much worse when you learn she’s supposed to be like 20 years old (which yikes x1000 for male Revan) but even with female Revan I was always willing to overlook the preachiness as a character thing back when I thought she was closer to the same age as Revan, like in her 30s or close to equals at least. But it does become much harder to overlook the arrogance and lectures when this snotrag is like at least a decade younger than you. also what even is battle meditation it’s a stupid power. but I cannot deny the mommy issues did make me relate hard plus now that legends isn’t canon (not that it ever was) that means legends is whatever I want it to be so in my brain Bastila is at least 30

Zaalbar - I want to like him so much more than I do. He’s just I think one of the worst cases of Kotor I having a very limited system of good and evil so like all of the nuance that his character could have is pretty straightforwardly handled and very black and white

Jolee Bindo - take notes Kreia on the superior grey jedi (even though I ranked him so much lower than her lol). but yeah mad props for being the only true grey jedi to exist in these games, at least when you first meet him. I just unfortunately have adhd and since his whole character and all his interactions are just longwinded war stories, I get very bored very quickly. (and yes Canderous is similar but his stories are shorter and don’t make up his entire relationship with Revan and also I want to romance him)

Bao-Dur - we love to see disability rep just would be nice if I could have more than like three conversations with him. as great a setup and backstory as the rest of the Kotor II companions and then they do basically nothing with him even if he learns Force wielding

HK-47 - he’s mostly so far down because I think he’s extremely overrated. like he as a character is fun but he’s treated like the greatest cleverest writing to have ever existed when it’s literally just the same two jokes over and over again

Mical the Disciple - I do love him actually but yeah everyone’s not wrong about him being the blandest most milquetoast nerd to have ever existed. I do have affection in my heart for him but unfortunately he must also lose brownie points for replacing Dvakvar, an infinitely cooler character

Brianna the Handmaiden - this girl would have bullied me in high school I think

Dvakvar Grahrk - why did they replace this cool alien with yet another boring human. clearly they did not think it would be believable that Atton would be jealous of an alien’s relationship with f!exile or else he’d have been more jealous of Bao-Dur as well. star wars made aliens only to hate on them and quite frankly I would like to have recruited and possibly (depending on the quality of footage that could have existed) even romanced Dvakvar. Unfortunately because we know next to nothing about him he must come at the bottom of the list. RIP to what could have been

G0-T0 - I literally forgot about him at first, I simply do not care about this thing

Honorary mention: Bao-Dur’s Remote - he’s just a lil guy that zooms around! no flaws nothing but perfection. would be number one if I considered him an full companion. Also honorary mention to Trask Ulgo, gone but not forgotten

[thepunchingbag]

One day, Mira notices Mandalore looking in her direction (or, as far as anyone could tell, with that helmet on), maybe a little too long for comfort.

After a while, he comes over to her and starts speaking to her in Mando'a.

She's rusty, but she understands him. And maybe she even croaks out a broken response.

She asks how he knew, and he says he could "just tell"

After that, he starts looking out for her more, offers to maintain her weapons, gives her extra grenades, even offers her some practical fighting advice. All in Mando'a, of course. Mira isn't sure what to make of this, but she guesses having the local warlord on her side is a good thing.

After the events of the game, when Mandalore escorts everyone (sans Exile and Atton) to safety, he pulls Mira aside and offers her a place with the Mandalorian clans. "Come home again" is the rough translation.

And for a split second, she considers it. The sense of belonging. And she remembers the Mandalorian scouts rustling her hair and bringing her back gifts (things that were likely taken off of corpses, she shudders). As fucked up as that is, having nostalgic memories of the people who enslaved her and killed her family. And it's even more fucked up that she's even considering going back to them.

After a moment, she tells him she's already found a place. But thanks.

He gives her a nod. He doesn't say a word as he leaves.

(Dude, Kreia's whole line about Mira's "true father" just made me wonder... I mean, did Canderous Ordo look at Mira and think "Hey, that kid looks really similar to this woman I knew awhile ago. Wait a minute, let me do the math... oh my god...")

[theultimatekotorcharacter]

9. worst part of canon

10. worst part of fanon

13. worst blorboficiation

22. your favorite part of canon that everyone else ignores

For the ask meme

9. worst part of canon

This is not an unpopular opinion at all but the revan book lmao

But in terms of just the canon of the games, both beginnings (Taris and Peragus) are a slog to get through (again not an unpopular opinion lol). And not a lot happens in either of them until the back half. Nar Shadda is also a chore to get through, unlike the other planets I usually have to break up my sessions with them (Nar Shadda is saved by all the interesting character moments, Atton’s backstory, and Mira, also that’s usually where I get Visas <3)

10. worst part of fanon

This is a very very specific to the not tumblr crowd and I haven’t seen it a lot myself, but what creepy fanboys do to Mission. -*insert the “she’s 16!” Meme here*-

13. worst blorboficiation

Honestly I am in full support of the blorboficarion of all of the characters that get blorbofied ahsghdgdgdf

Like Revan, HK-47, Canderous, etc etc were asking for it 

22. your favorite part of canon that everyone else ignores

These games have been picked apart many times over so I feel like there’s not any part that’s super ignored? If I had to pick something it’d be Mical the Disciple ™ ‘s poorly executed backstory. Though that’s purely the result of the rushed production of kotor 2. I think it’s actually a pretty interesting concept that didn’t get time to be developed properly (like the rest of Dantooine)

[soundlesslament]

KOTOR Characters If They Were Feeling Jealous

I love writing fandom lists - half character analysis, half hilarious hypothetics. I blame the old Bleach Lists blog. So here’s my take on how the KOTOR characters (both games) would act if some rando was to hit on their partner/crush.

[As usual, Revan and Exile are custom characters so your mileage may vary. These are a calculating anti-villain DS!Revan and LS!Exile. Pairings assumed in this are Revalek, Carth/his wife (plus Carth’s crush on Revan?), Juhani/Belaya, Exile/Atton (and Mical’s crush on Exile?), and everyone else with hypothetical love interests they might meet.]

x+x x+x x+x x+x x+x

Revan: Never admits it out loud, remains absolutely calm and collected. Instead, she would tell some horror story about the time she punished someone presumptuous enough to believe they could take her place as Dark Lord - all while staring down the Rando and projecting the creepiest aura. And the Rando would get the underlying message, if they didn’t want to get death field-ed by the end of the tale.

x

Malak: Does not know what subtlety means. Would tell the Rando to know their place before blinding them for daring to look at Revan in such a way.

x

Carth: The guy who would try to act cool and just trust his partner and say nothing, but the grumpiness would be unmistakable. Extra grumpy for the rest of the day.

x

Bastila: Never had to face these issues and arrogantly thinks she’d be beyond them. Hint: she wouldn’t. She’d be the person who says nothing at the moment, fumes to herself, then gets mad later.

x

Canderous: Straightforward. Would walk up to the Rando and tell them to get out or else. Problem solved.

x

Juhani: Wants to be subtle because she knows she should not have a partner in the first place. Would end up hissing at Rando under her breath regardless. 

x

Exile: Tries very hard to not let it bother her and feels guilty about being jealous. Would end up speaking to the Rando and politely explain that Rando is making her partner a bit uncomfortable and should stop. Which of course would be motivated only by her desire to help and not her own jealousy, or so she would tell herself.

x

Atton: Would be staring daggers at Rando while conspicuously standing way too close to the Exile. Once they go away, spends the rest of the day making jokes at their expense. Never forgets the Rando’s face again.

x

Mical: Like the Exile, feels guilty about being jealous and tries hard not to. Would try to hide his jealousy from himself by being polite to Rando but fail to keep a normal smile on his face, and would still be thinking about it later.

x

Mira: Half straightforward and half petty about her jealousy. Would put an arm over her partner’s shoulders or pull them close in some way, making a show about it, and then smugly ask the Rando if they needed help with something. Would also remember the Rando’s face for the future.

x

Visas: Tries not to say or do anything, but can’t help that it bothers her. Would end up making some underhanded cruel remarks towards Rando, not-so-unconsciously hoping to creep them out and keep them away from her partner.

x

Bao-Dur: Wants to be reasonable about it. Would in fact take a deep breath and be reasonable about it.

[attonjaqrand]

What kinds of music do you listen to?

“Different moods, different types. Generally though, I like music with a thick bass. I like punchy, fast paced tunes when I’m flying. When I’m relaxing or tinkering at the workbench I’ll listen to slower, more ambient stuff.” He was going to leave it at that, but was reminded of something that made him chuckle.

“I may have blasted one particular song throughout the Hawk when everyone else was sleeping. Totally by accident. A couple times.” He gave a sly wink and after a brief search, found the song in question and hit play.

[thatwitchrevan]

theres a lot of bisexual mfs running around in the old republic

[allronix]

Carth and Force Sensitivity (crossposted from Reddit r/kotor)

This is for @k-she-rambles:

Okay, so while we're shooting the bantha crap over on KOTOR fan theories, u/134340Goat mentioned my all time favorite "Have you been chewing spice?!" fan theory when it comes to KOTOR: Is Carth Force Sensitive?

So this one starts with a story. I mentioned my brother in law, who is pretty much Keeper of the Jedi Archives. Seriously, he's an English teacher and my sister is a librarian. They met at a sci fi convention and their first date was Phantom Menace. We're taking not just geeks, but geeks who can throw the damn bookshelf at you. Brother in law bought KOTOR on the day it launched and turned it into a week long binge watch at his house. And because brother in law is that kind of geek, he's translating the characters into the West End D6 system. I'm watching him do a playthrough, and he's got Canderous and Zaalbar at Ajunta Pal's tomb.

Allronix: Huh. That's odd. Why aren't commenting on anything when Ajunta is speaking?

Bro in law: Oh. They can't even see Ajunta. You have to be Force Sensitive to see a Force Ghost The stronger your Sensitivity, the better you can see it.

Allronix: Really? Then how come Carth can see it?

Bro in law (gets the "holy shit, I gotta confirm this" look): Really?! He just sees something out the corner of his eye or something?

Allronix: No, he sees Ajunta just fine. Understands what the dude's saying too.

Bro in law instantly rolls back to his last save, swaps Zaalbar for Carth, and sees the bit in question.

Bro in law: Oh. Dear. (Goes over to make some quick scribbles on Carth's character sheet)

Okay, so maybe that was a lore fail. I didn't really think about it too much until I hit that False Level Up glitch and ran around with Carth and Mission as Sentinels. Now, while I couldn't really see Mission as a Sensitive, that little bit with my bro in law nagged at me. And became a "once you see it you can't unsee it." Apologies to TV Tropes, where some of these were my additions to the Wild Mass Guess entry on this topic.

Any one of these on its own is pretty easy to blow off. After all, man is career military, and knows All this Shit is Weird. I also like to think of Sensitivity as a spectrum and not a switch. If all life is connected by the Force, then all life would be Sensitive to some degree or another. It’s just a matter of to what degree. It’s only as the list gets longer and longer does the case start looking damning...

What are the odds of surviving that attack on the Endar Spire, getting to the escape pods, sharing the last escape pod with the mindwiped Sith Lord, piloting through the chaos, landing in what passes for the "good" part of town, remaining uninjured, pulling the badly injured mindwiped Sith Lord from the wreck, evading Sith detection while all this is going on, and just happening to find a dump of an apartment where the landlord's not asking questions? That is one amazing string of coincidences and good luck. Get that many in Star Wars, and it's definitely The Force sticking its nose in things.

Piloting the escape pod to land in the Upper City, piloting the Hawk through the Sith Blockade of Taris, the random Sith patrols, the escape from the Leviathan, and the fleet around Lehon along with the crash landing that left the ship easily repairable. Now, compare to Atton who we know to be an excellent pilot and drawing on The Force who still manages to crash the ship at least three times.

He's a scary good judge of character if you're interacting with other NPCs. If you watch him with other NPC characters, he's got a pretty good compass as to which characters are being helpful and which ones are full of shit. The only one he calls incorrectly is Rukil, who is probably also an untrained Sensitive (the age, the "marked" comments) and half senile, which is probably throwing him.

Related to that, his distrust and wariness about something not adding up with the PC, the Jedi Council feeding the party a line of bull, that things just aren't adding up. And on all of it? Dead on. He's 100% right about the Player Character, he just expected something a little less crazy than "that's Darth freaking Revan."

If you play Female Revan, then Carth's the one who gets fried in the torture cages on the Leviathan. Saul comments how strange it is that Carth takes so much punishment and still remains conscious. Now, this is a low level thing, but in lore, Force Sensitives have drawn on it to keep them alive or conscious under duress. Explicitly, the first sign we got that Leia was a Sensitive when she withstood the Imperial torture droid.

Another of his scary ass judge of character feats? In the comics, Zayne (who is on the run from the Jedi, who framed him for the murder of his classmates) has a vision that Mandalorians are coming for Serroco. Saul? Laughs it off, throws Zayne in the brig. Zayne's own friends don't even believe him. Carth gets one of those creepy hunches and starts calling in "duck and cover" sirens as far as he can broadcast, which sends seventeen cities and millions of people heading for shelter. It saves their lives and Carth is called a hero for it. Armed with another hunch, he disobeys Saul (remember this is before Saul nukes Telos) and lets Zayne "escape" from custody. Mind you, not even the Jedi or his party members believed Zayne. Carth did.

Carth makes a lot of creepy weird offhand predictions about the future. He says he knows on some level he'll be there when Saul dies. That certainly pans out. He makes an offhand prediction that the Jedi have set the party up to take a fall. Right again. He tells a female PC that she'll have to make a choice soon, one she can't walk away from. And then we get the temple top. He even blurts out that "I sensed you would have to make a choice soon, and that was it*, I can feel it!"* If you specify a LS Female Revan, his recording for T3-M4 says he's had a hunch Revan would leave without warning. Again, spot on.

Specify a LS male Revan, and Carth will remark to Bastila that seeing the Exile reminds him "there are worse things to lose." The only other people who can see just how screwed up the Exile is are the Jedi Masters, Chodo Habat, and the Force Sensitive party members.

Specify a LS female Revan, and Carth will insist that he would know if Revan were dead (again, scary ass intuition) and that there's an "emptiness" where she used to be. Now, remember one of the things about a broken Force Bond? It would simply be "empty, a wound."

You know how your party members in KOTOR 2 feel upset or even horrified as they realize they feel compelled to protect Exile and can't being themselves to leave, even when said actions are kicking puppies? And how they swing wildly from being crazy, almost stalker level possessive of them to being scared out of their wits and clamming up when you try to pry anything out of them? And the more potent (and untapped) their Force Sensitivity, the more they get hammered with the effect? (Mira and Atton in particular) Yeah. Now, Carth's "I don't wanna talk" looks a bit different, doesn't it? It could also account for that romance arc, especially if you roll a DSF Revan and go for that "everyone dies" ending.

Again, Ajunta Pal. Seeing a Force Ghost? Yeah. Some degree of Sensitivity needed. Understanding what he's saying? Yeah. Takes a bit more than that. And Carth makes a weirdly insightful comment about the Dark Side on top of it.

Notice that this a wall o text argument already, and I'm now just getting to the "Yeah, his kid is able to throw around mid-level Dark Side powers and packing a red lightsaber." Given the jawline and the muleheaded attitude, no way Morgana was fooling around with the pizza delivery boy. That's definitely Carth's kid, and that's definitely Force Sensitivity. Now, while it can skip a generation (see Theron Shan), it tends to run pretty heavy in families.

Lastly? Gee. He comes from a planet settled by and heavily populated by descendants of Force Sensitives who failed their training. I'm also willing to bet some bastard children of Jedi get passed off as "foundlings" and "orphans" and dumped there, too. Jedi are forbidden attachments, but not sworn to celibacy, so...yeah, bastard kids are gonna happen. There's probably a Jedi or two in that family tree. It's circumstantial evidence at best, but it still supports the case.

Now, any arguments I missed? Counterarguments?

And the million credit question: If there's a character who gets to break this news to poor Flyboy, who do you think would actually take that on? How do you think Carth would take that kind of news? And what, if anything, would come of it?

I kinda figure Jolee might be the only one nuts enough to poke that with a stick...I also kinda figure "Sentinel" would fit best. Consular? Hell no. He hired Mical for that. Guardian works with the feats, but the whole "ferreting out deceit and injustice?" Yeah. That's Carth.

[theacedumbass]

Imagine the crews of the Ebon Hawk all playing UNO together. They’d spend at least and hour arguing over rules, and Revan and Meetra end up breaking them anyway.

Imagine:

Revan and Meetra: *team up to give Kreia two plus fours*

Kreia: Betrayal! I taught you two better than this!

Or consider the OG crew all being on a team and the Lost Jedi being on the other. Imagine the bickering from both of them

Carth: Damn it Bastila! I though you said gou had a plus four!

Jolee: Nope, that was me.

Carth: *facepalm*

Alternatively:

Mira: Atton you idiot, why’d you skip me?!

Atton: I thought you could stack them!

Mira: *slaps Atton*

I could see T3, HK, and Canderous forming their own team, or just spectating. Omg imagine Canderous getting competitive when he’s not even playing.

I feel like no one talks about the hilarity that would ensue if the two crews meant.

[cinderedrose]

Some incorrect quotes I ran through a generator:

Revan : I woke up and chose VIOLENCE. I WILL COMMIT ARSON AND BURN THE GALAXY TO THE GROUND!!! I AM ANGRY-

Alek: Awwww, you’re so adorable! Give me a hug~

Revan : Wh-What? nO, yOURE SUPPOSED TO BE SCARED OF ME! TREMBLE BEFORE MY WRATH-

Meetra, recording: This is so cute.

~

Revan : What? I'm not aggressive!

Bastila: Last Tuesday, you whacked me with a pair of crocs and stole my chocolate chips?

Revan : Survival of the fittest, bitch.

~

Alek: Revan gave me a get better soon card.

Meetra: That's sweet!

Alek: I wasn't sick, they just think I can do better.

~

Alek: What are you in the mood for?

Revan : World domination.

Alek: That's a bit ambitious.

Revan: You are my world.

Alek: Aww...

Revan :

Alek:

Revan :

Alek: OH.

~

Juhani: Wow, this parking is as straight as I am.

Carth: I know I should be focused on the fact that you just came out, but HOW DARE YOU INSULT MY PARKING!

~

Jolee: I just had a long talk with Canderous and Juhani about hitting and now they are yelling “it’s my turn to perpetuate the cycle of violence” before hitting each other.

~

Darth nihilus: Hey I just got a pet snake. What should I name him?

Darth traya: A pet WHAT?!

Darth sion: William Snakespeare.

~

Darth nihilus: Don't worry, I've got a few knives up my sleeve.

Darth sion: I think you mean cards.

Darth traya: He did not.

Darth nihilus, pulling out knives: I did not.

~

Meetra: Guys, there’s a monster under my bed and it’s really ugly.

Mira, on the bottom bunk: Honestly, fuck you.

~

Kreia: Some people are like slinkies.

Visas: What?

Kreia: Not really good for much but bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs.

Visas:

Visas: Please don't push Atton down the stairs.

Kreia, pushing Atton down the stairs: Too late.

~

Disciple: War is heck!

~

Bao dur: Oh, fiddlesticks.

Atton: Look, I understand this is a tense situation, but let's watch the fucking language.

Generator:

[baodurs]

what’s your favorite scene from either kotor game (or both, if you’d like)? 🖤

ohh this is a fun one 🤔 rebuilt enclave from kotor 2 is too easy so setting that one aside, i'd probably say:

from kotor 1, the conversation between revan and malak after the final boss battle as he’s dying. i like that they get that brief time to reckon with everything.

from kotor 2, when you hear all the companions thoughts before leaving for malachor, especially bao-dur’s monologue at the end

other scenes i like are the personality test on kashyyyk, bastila fighting with her mother, and canderous’s dialogue after his personal quest. from kotor 2, kreia and atton in the cells at the polar academy, training mira as a jedi, and maybe the influence-locked dialogues with hk-47 where he gives you insight into revan and the war

send me "what's your favorite..." asks (or any asks i'm bored and not picky)

[elionwriter]

Aaaaand Knights of the old Republic 2 is also under my belt now! As adviced I tried to play with Mods but spectacularly failed to install them so I had to go with the basic version offered by steam. And BOY did I regret not managing to mod the game!!!! It lagged and glitched so bad!

I should say that the main problem was missing whole sections of dialogues but the thing that pissed me most was that the game kept referring a lot of times to Revan as "He" and "Dark" after I SPECIFICALLY set Revan to be a Female Light character! The situation was SO bad that by the end of the game I was very confused and had to go on the Wookieepedia to understand some critical plot points that had completely excaped me.

Everything considered, however, I can safely say I definitely like the first KOTOR better! There are a few things which I thought were huge improvements from the first chapter like the fact that you can gain and lose influence over your companions and that makes you unlock their backstory. Also, it's good that you can just keep levelling up your characters to your heart's content without the LV.20 threshold, if you manage to master it the new workbench is also a much more useful tool and the characters' skillset is also better managed (even if, for the life of me, I cannot find a point to Stealth. This skill, is completely useless in both Kotor 1&2).

I know this is purely personal but I liked the supporting characters a lot better in the first. I loved everyone of the first Ebon Hawk crew and I can't really say the same of the the second set. Kreia is an incredible and mysterious character and so is Visas and Bao-Dur isn't bad either. T3 is actually even better in this instalment than the first but honestly I was very disappointed by Atton and I couldn't care less for Mira, Disciple, Handmaiden and GO-TO. I was very happy to have my beloved HK back and to see Canderous Ordo becoming the Manda'lore!!!

I like the theme of the game that "actions can have a very different repercussion from the intention inspiring it", it's very complex and beautiful to reflect upon but generally speaking I found myself floundering in the COUNTLESS plots and subplots of the story. In my opinion this is one of those instances in which "less is more". The game would have really benefitted from being more tight. Following at the same time Kreia's story, Atris' fall to the dark side, finding the old Jedi masters to bring them to Dantooine, The reason behind your MC's trial, the force bond, the disappearance of Revan, the bounty on your head AND the story of Sion and Nihilus feels definitely TOO much. At times I found myself wondering ok, but, like, what IS my character's main objective?! Also, this means that the main baddies aren't nearly as focused on as much as Malak was in the first. Actually, that may be another thing, the story spends so much time talking about Malak and Revan that it doesn't fully focus on the matters at hand. The romances this time around feel pretty much lacking and pointless, expecially because you don't really see them come to fruition since you end up abandoning your whole crew at the end of the game.

So yes, while most of the concepts of the game weren't just good but great, I definitely think it was too much all together and preferred the simplicity of the Starforge story of the first. Also, there's no way around it, Revan is just TOO cool a character to not eclipse the Exile.

Anyway that's just my opinion, I would really like to know what you guys think.

[girlboss-revan]

I gotta know: What are your exile's different relationships within the Ebon Hawk? Like who's their best friend(s), and who do they avoid on board (if anyone)?

we all know what her relationship with Atton is so lets ignore him

T3: her best friend... her partner in crime... her loyal companion...

Boa-Dur: besties, but not really. They have a fairly comfortable relationship where they can hang out and talk, but there's always going to be some tension there that neither of them really wants to talk about. Chira enjoys standing by his workbench and watching him do whatever.

Mical: she avoids him whenever she can because he just brings back so many uncomfortable memories about the Jedi and who she used to be before everything went wrong. She sees him and sees a potential future she could've had and just... she can't stand it. She also can't stand his hero-worship/infatuation with her.

Visas: there's a similar type of discomfort that she feels with Mical, but she pushes through it because she wants to help her so badly. she keeps Visas at arms length but she tries to be kind and gentle (and honestly she just falls back into acting what she thinks a jedi is supposed to act like with their padawan)

The Mand'alore: her feelings about Canderous are complicated and need a thesis paper dedicated to them. enemies to annoying roommates au

HK: she's fond of HK, despite everything. he talks about murdering everyone on board the ship and she's just like "haha sure HK whatever you say..." she needs One semi-uncomplicated source of entertainment in her life

Mira: she has. no solid opinions on Mira. she joined the ship crew too late into the journey for anything to really develop.

The main think about Chira is that she's nice but you can tell there's a distance there. She's an amazingly charismatic leader and her crew will follow her to hell, but none of them can really say they know her, besides a few flashes here and there.

[theultimatekotorcharacter]

The Unofficial Knights of the Old Republic Popularity Contest

Welcome to the Unofficial Knights of the Old Republic Fan Favorite Character Tournament!

This specific tournament is just covering the party members and player characters, however in the future might go through and do villains, fan favorite NPC’s, etc. Whoever wins will be crowned the tumblr crowds fan favorite! 

This is all organized and helmed by one person, myself, y’all can call me Captain (they/them pronouns for anyone wondering).

All matchups were randomly generated, as I felt doing the matchup’s myself would be waaay to biased. No matter what I did though there were going to be unfair matchups. Since a few of these characters are significantly more developed/significantly more popular than others. I would like to formally apologize to literally anyone going up against Revan, Canderous, HK-47, and Kreia, y’all got your work cut out for you.

There will be a wild card round pitting KOTOR 2’s HK-47, T3-M4, and Canderous/Mandalore against each other. As that was the only way I could get the brackets to be even. The winner of that round will go up against the winner of the KOTOR 2 bracket, and then the winner of that round will go up against the winner of the KOTOR 1 bracket.

Each round is going to last a week, as that is easier for me to manage at the moment. Though that is subject to change as the tournament continues.

Obligatory don’t take this too seriously. This is all something I whipped up for fun since I haven’t seen anyone else do a bracket with these guys yet. (and technically HK-47 is the “canonical” winner since he’s the one with the best character awards lol).

Matchups under the cut!

Round 1 Matchups for Knights of the Old Republic 1:

Matchup 1: Hk-47 Vs. Bastilla Shan | Winner: HK-47

Matchup 2: Mission Vao Vs. Jolee Bindo | Winner: Mission Vao

Matchup 3: Zaalbar Vs. Canderous Ordo | Winner: Canderous Ordo

Matchup 4: Juhani Vs. Carth Onasi | Winner: Junani

Round 1 Matchups for Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords:

Matchup 1: Visas Marr Vs. Bao-Dur | Winner: Visas Marr

Matchup 2: Atton Rand Vs. Brianna | Winner: Atton Rand

Matchup 3: The Jedi Exile Vs. Kreia | Winner: The Jedi Exile

Matchup 4: G0-T0 Vs. Mira | Winner: Mira

Round 1.5 Matchups for Knights of The Old Republic 1:

Matchup 1: Revan Vs. HK-47 | Winner: Revan

Matchup 2: T3-M4 Vs. Canderous Ordo | Winner: T3-M4

Round 1.5 Matchups for Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords:

Matchup 1: Hanharr Vs. Visas Marr | Winner: Visas Marr

Matchup 2: Mical Vs. The Jedi Exile | Winner: The Jedi Exile

Round 2 Matchups for Knights of The Old Republic 1:

Revan Vs. Mission Vao | Winner: Revan

T3-M4 Vs. Juhani | Winner: Juhani

Round 2 Matchups for Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords:

Visas Marr Vs. Atton Rand | Winner: Visas Marr

The Jedi Exile Vs. Mira | Winner: The Jedi Exile

Semifinal Matchups for Knights of The Old Republic 1:

Revan Vs. Juhani | Winner:

Semifinal Matchups for Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords:

Visas Marr Vs. The Jedi Exile | Winner:

Wildcard Round:

KOTOR 2 HK-47 Vs. KOTOR 2 T3-M4 Vs. Mandalore | Winner: