#i have seen antinus

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seeing how people choose to spell antinoos’ name in the epic fandom over the next few days is going to be funny

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The Wisdom Saga: My Thoughts

Hey all!!!! Here are my thoughts on the Wisdom Saga from EPIC: The Musical!

Overall it isn’t my favorite (Circe/Thunder my beloveds), but it’s still pretty good imho!

Legendary

Love how upbeat this one is. MICO as Telemachus is VERY good, and I especially liked the little trembles/voice cracks (?) as he sang! Gave Tem a “young” vibe.

also loved that “L-L-L-L-Legendary” lol

ITS THE ANIMATIC FROM THE REFERENCE VIDEO :D

The Suitors’ voices 👌 also ANTINUOUS JUMPSCARE. HOW DARE YOU CALL PENELOPE A TRAMP WHEN YOU’RE THE ONE TRYING TO GET INTO HER BED.

Antinuous’s lines are the perfect ick. The ToA Discord and I were all typing out various amounts of EW, ICKY, GET OUT at his parts.

Fight Little Wolf

This is possibly my favorite from this saga! I’ve been looking forward to this one for a while, and I was really excited for it! Athena coming in was brilliant and I love it :3

We’ll Be Fine

ATHENA CALLED ODYSSEUS FRIEND. OWIE.

Anybody else pick up on a similar melody to Open Arms? Because ow.

Love In Paradise

LOVED the flashbacks at the beginning!

The unhingedness Gigi gave Calypso LMAO Zero social interaction does that to you lol

“Last I checked goddesses can’t die!” Stream gets censored

I PANICKED AT THAT LMAO

all I hear are screams…the ptsd is real

“Stay in my open arms” and then IMMEDIATELY triggering an Open Arms reprise. HOW DARE YOU JAY.

NOT ONLY THAT. BUT ALSO EURYLOCUS REPRISING LUCK RUNS OUT AND ANTICLEA’S WAITING. OUCH.

God Games

This is in battle with Little Wolf for favorite Wisdom Saga song lol

THE INTRODUCTION TO THE GODS SLAPPED. WOLFY YOU WONDERFUL WOLF THAT WAS AWESOME.

APOLLO GIVING A LIL BOW AND CASUALLY WAVING TO (us) HIS ADORING FANS (also us)

don’t mind me fangirling he’s my favorite and he was GORGEOUS

Hephaestus being voiced by Jorge’s dad!!!!

I really liked how Luke Holt delivered Ares’s name. Very gritty and perfect I love <3

APOLLO’S LITTLE SMIRK WHEN HE SAYS “GREAT.” I’M DEAD I’VE DIED RIP ALDER

APOLLOOOOOOOOO

his part was sadly short, but honestly? It makes sense why it would be! Apollo really has no beef with Odysseus, and the Sirens are a little out of pocket, like he was assigned to play the game but is throwing Athena an easy thing to counter so he can get back to Orestes and also Athena owes him a solid so EPIC’s explanation for Athena helping Apollo in the Oresteia? 👀 I’m a nerd connecting the dots leave me be

“If that’s true then release him 🙄💅” Apollo has no time for this bullshit he’s like “come on dad why did you pull ME into this?” Lmaoooo

Hephaestus’s part about trust!! I love. Also the lyricism here and in Apollo’s is very very good <3

APHRODITE. Unlike Apollo and Hephaestus, who were rather quick to support Athena, she’s moments away from going “no ♥️💋”

ARES’S ENTRANCE WAS SPETACULAR NO NOTES I LOVE

DISCO HERA!! ANNIFLAMMA THAT WAS SO GOOD AHHHHHHH THE STYLE THE SWAG THE SASS 100/10

THUNDER BRINGER REPRISE AHHHHHH WITH BEAST MODE ZEUS

Also Athena ain’t dead lol she comes back in King isn’t it? Also she’s a GOD. Who CAN’T DIE.

I’ve seen criticism about Zeus attacking Athena, and about how he wouldn’t do that because she’s a favorite…but the thing is, in The Iliad, he does threaten to blast her and Hera off their chariots at one point…plus Apollo’s a favorite too, and he was nearly thrown into Tartarus by Zeus! Being the favorite doesn’t automatically mean you can get away with anything and everything, so I headcanon that Zeus got a bit more peeved than usual because of just how quickly Athena swayed the others (this can connect to the Odyssey then too, because the majority of the gods already agreed that Odysseus had suffered enough and were quite willing to let him go).

I have additional thoughts on God Games, but that’s for another post since it detracts from the actual livestream, but overall I really enjoyed this one! It’s the first livestream I’ve seen in full, though I do think Thunder Saga was more impactful to watch (I watched that livestream too, but came in at the end of No Longer You).

Two sagas to go!! I’ll be updating my tier list sometime soon as well, so stay tuned for that!!

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A personal review on Calypso's character

I've seen a lot of people with very mixed takes on Calypso's character, ranging from calling her horrible to calling her "not as bad as you think"

I think there's a way to adopt both of those views.

DISCLAIMER: I will NOT be taking the original Odyssey into account because 1: I haven't read it, 2: This is a review on Calypso from the musical alone, and 3: Jay has said many times before that the musical isn't supposed to be exactly like the books, so, I wanted to keep it separated.

Without further ado I gotta YAP

An argument I see used many times to demonize Calypso's character, is the comparison to her book version, when they say "she sexually assaulted him." However, EPIC's Calypso, as far as the lyrics go, wasn't exactly implied to have "done anything" to Ody (I'll get to that in a minnie), I say this because, if Jay had really wanted to emphasize or even imply that at all, he would've. Take it from one of Antinuous' lines, "why don't you open her room so we can have fun with her?" (Plus another line of his in the Ithaca saga, but that's spoilers, iykyk), here we see that Jay wanted it to be ABUNDANTLY CLEAR that Antinuous is a horrible, horrible man

And yes, I know there's the "Soon into bed we'll climb and spend our time" line, BUT, that feels more like wishful thinking from her delusion than a proper threat like Antinuous' line was. Whether or not it implies she tried anything with Ody is, lyrically, REALLY up in the air.

All we got from Ody's time in Calypso's island is that he was trapped there for a whole 7 years, possibly being babied by her and not getting any moment of peace away from her clingy ass. This is further reinforced by the scene by the end of Love In Paradise, not once does Ody seem to hold any kind of hatred or resentment towards Calypso specifically, he's STILL just reminiscing on the people who died because of him. The way he talks to her, "you don't know what I've gone through, you don't know what I've sacrificed", the way he kinda snaps at her feels more like he's *scolding* her for being so immature and obsessed about him (and she is).

All that being said... her behavior isn't unprompted at all. OBVIOUSLY she's not gonna understand basic human decency. Not only is she a goddess - which is already as "not human" as you can get, further disconnecting her from Ody's struggles and feelings- She's been trapped in that island, without any kind of contact with other people, for 100 YEARS. She was a CHILD when she was first sent and trapped there, like she said, it's all she's ever known.

Now, obviously, that doesn't excuse her behavior. I'm not saying she's a saint; She kept Ody as her prisoner for 7 years, was probably always trying to earn his love and replace his wife, which must've been EXHAUSTING to Ody. Yes, she's still abusive (even if she probably doesn't fully realize it). Yes, she's weird as fuck. Yes, she's CRAZY.

While I'm not excusing her actions, it kind of feels unfair to expect her to know any better when she had nobody to teach her to begin with. Not even Odysseus. 100 years is 100 years too late to learn to be decent. No, she's not innocent, but she's not the devil incarnate either (AGAIN. IN THE MUSICAL).

The way I interpret "Not Sorry For Loving You" is not that she necessarily loved him... I feel like she was more in love with the IDEA of being in love. She finally had some company and thought it would just play out like a fairytale from here on out. You expect me to believe this abandonment issues-coated deity can at all grasp the concept of genuine love? It's not genuine. She's delusional. But that's no thanks to her isolation.

Her emotions, her sorrow, her anguish are genuine, but her love is not. And Not Sorry For Loving You does an AMAZING job at showcasing all of that.

Speaking of... I really don't agree with people saying NSFLY was "trying to paint her in a nicer light" or "a bad apology" or anything along those lines, NSFLY does not read like an apology at all. That's the whole POINT of the chorus. It's a lament. It's Calypso still living in the delusion that she loves Ody and lamenting that Ody could never reciprocate and/or entertain the fantasy. It's SUPPOSED to be emotional and sad, because she IS sad. She's DEVASTATED, even when she doesn't realize how much she's been hurting Ody up to this point.

Anyway... I just wanted to share my two cents because I can tell she's a very controversial character just in general. But in EPIC, I personally just feel sadness/pity for her. Though, I think her being such a complex character makes her one of my favorites. Her song is so emotionally charged (and god Wangui's voice is ANGELIC. WHAT THE FUCK.) it makes me want to tear up every time I listen to it. Every single time.

I could've said a little more but I'm late to class now </3

TL;DR: Calypso is weird as fuck but you know what I kinda like her for it