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Hi, probably weird question, but can you offer any tips on how to co-write, like two different authors working on the same fic? How does that work?
hello there is actually nothing i would rather do let me give you the unabridged version because I think people romanticise it and it's important to be real. I'm going to give you all of my experiences and why I did it and which ones worked and which ones didn't.
HERE IT IS :
2-Let's start with @greenvlvetcouch who was my first duo writing experience. I was heavily part of an online thing at the time and I met him there, and we somehow (I genuinely can't remember how but I think it was me) ended up DMing about something, which actually pretty quickly evolved into me throwing a concept idea into the chat, and it just took off. We ended up losing our minds over the library scene from God Eater and that was that. I had read Zar and Jude's fic where every 15 min they switched (I think??) and I'm not a "minute" writer so I suggested to Green we did 700-1200 words each and pass it back. I also have a background in theatre, and I am part of a improv group in my city so improv games was part of my curriculum and I've always LOVED IMPROV GAMES, especially in small groups. (this is relevant for later). That's how God Eater was written. it happened very organically. We wrote it all in four months, in a doc, and didn't talk about publishing it until we realized that actually it was going to be a thing we were super proud of, that we would want to post it. The writing experience itself had none of the stress of "what if it's bad". We just wrote until we were done with no expectation. There were a lot of inconsistencies we fixed when we were done and TA-DA.
Since then Green has been a writing partner for a lot of published and unpublished works. We have several projects, some which we started and never finished because we lost the interest, some that we might publish, we don't know. I think he and I are aligned on the fact that writing is meant to be this fun thing and if the joy isn't there when writing, then the project dies. We had a LOT of really cool fun projects that only lived inside our mutual DMs and I think it still makes them real and great. They just weren't tangible enough to see the light of day. Green and I's writing process isn't *super* involved. We rarely fangirl over each other's works. I think we've reached a healthy balance of we *know* we love each other's writing, so we don't need to tell each other that. We will when a line slaps particularly well but other than that we mostly just hype the story up which is our way of saying we love working together.
Which is a perfect segway into inthesquare and I's writing process (hi I still don't know if I can tag you so imma send it to you after).
2-I'm currently writing a story with her, and our start was very different. I read this fic from hers and lost my mind. I cried and was very upset, it was such a great story, so I left a comment (as one does). What would you know, a few days later I get a comment on my fic about how she freaked out because she liked *my* work. So we literally met the most organically way possible: through ao3 comments. Then the normal pipeline happened: Tumblr, then Discord, then Whatsapp.
I wrote one fic that felt very much like something she would do and asked her to participate and add bits and bobs, she said yes, I was overjoyed. And then a few months ago I popped in and was like... *you like myths, right?* and TADA we have the amaranth hymns.
The writing process with us is very different. We each write until we're done with a scene (which usually ends up capping at 1500/2000 words-ish). We are posting as we go, we have 0 plan, zero foresight, we're just hoping for the best, rocking with a Pinterest board and voice noting each other at 3am going "hey do what was this thing you wrote and what does it mean?" "oh cool" "and so does this mean that X? Cuz we need to Y then" "Yes, right". We're problem solving as we go, and I think we're both kind of unbothered and unstressed about it: the story will write itself, we're just along for the ride. We also don't really hype each other up (a little ya know, when a line slaps), but we *do* talk about the fic itself a lot, which I think is our way of showing our engagement. We talk about the fic because we like writing it (I have a point to make later on bear with me).
3- You remember how i LOVE improve games, right????? WELL. There is a game called the "yes" game. A scene starts, you have a theme and a concept and you can't backtrack. Whatever the person throws your way you have to work with it....hence the "yes". You can only move forward, never back. That's how Raise Hell was created. I asked a bunch of my friends if they wanted to create a frankenstein fic, some said yes, some said no, and Raise Hell got started. I knew all of these people beforehand, so that made it easier. We still want to finish this fic but ya know, life got away from us.
What ended up happening is that there were no "writing" rule aside from : you must write enough to propel the next person. Give the next person *something* to work with. So what accidentally ended up happening is each person ended up writing a chapter.
Now let's talk about the rest:
As stated before, I love writing with people: I have the bandwith to work on numerous fics at once (it keeps my brain fed and entertained, I like the community of it), I like it, and thus I seek it.
But I think (and THIS is my point) that people romanticise it and it can stress people out. This is what I mean:
I started writing fics with several other writers because *I like it and I seek it and it brings me joy*, but some writers didn't like feeling like they were one in a lineup.
I wrote 30k with a writer and then the story died and we never picked it back up.
I have had two people I was writing with tell me they didn't like it because I wasn't 'involved' enough (by this I think what they meant was that I wasn't showing enough hype and enthusiasm for their writing).
I had one person tell me that our writing didn't match up and it felt weird and they didn't want to continue.
I have had one person tell me I hurt their feelings because I made them feel like their writing wasn't good enough by the way I edited.
I think it's important to mention that co-writing *is* a skill and it's not something that will work for everyone.
I have a graveyard of fics and a few friendships that died because of that, too. I'm not a big hyper. I do edit a lot. I show my enthusiasm in ways that perhaps isn't obvious enough. I don't praise other people's writing that much because in my mind, the fact we're writing together is proof enough that I love their writing, but that actually isn't always enough.
And I think the difficult part of all of this is that writing is a very personal endeavour. When you expose your guts to another person and they do not react the way you want them to, it's not very easy I think to say "Hey, you hurt my feelings because you didn't tell me you loved this and that". That's another layer exposed and because talking about hurt feelings is hard and uncomfortable, sometimes it will drag on and take proportions that lead to broken friendships.
So you do have to be careful.
...But I also don't know how, in the sense that *before* you start writing with someone, you won't *know* how they will react to the duo process.
What I'm saying is it' a gamble and actually I have lost more than I have won, BUT I still don't regret trying. I personally have had good experiences every single time. I have grown and I have learned.
I know for instance that writing with Green and Inthesquare is a great experience because we approach writing in the same way and we are all very confident in our own writing. We like how we write. We like how the other person writes. We know that, we don't feel the need to say it.
But I think I tend to forget that some writers (even really good ones!!) can feel self-conscious about their own writing and need more praise than what I give.
So bearing all that in mind here is my advice:
-Talk about what you need from the experience BEFOREHAND. How much hype, can I edit, how much editing can I do, etc etc. When green and I edit our works, we fully destroy each other's parts. We will go in and add and remove a LOT, to the point where it really becomes kind of undetectable, who wrote what, because we're in each other's lines everywhere. This isn't something that will feel good for everyone. When I write with inthesquare, we *barely* edit each other's work. The separation is much more obvious, and I don't really know why this is? It just is? We just kind of never edited the other person's part. And it works really beautifully, too. My point is these are two very different approach yet there isn't one better than the other, it's just different.
Some people do not like when you tinker with their writing too much. Some people do not like when you tinker with their writing at all. Make sure you know what each person is comfy with.
-Decide on a plan: are we writing each for a set amount of time? Of words? Are we each doing a chapter? The only rule is the one you make up.
-Don't put pressure on the work. See where it goes. If it dies, let it.
-I would advise against posting as you go if this stresses you out. That way if the story doesn't finish, no stress.
-Start with someone who you feel very confident writing with. Someone you know, who knows you, where the communication canals are OPEN. You're gonna need to be able to tell each other if someone does something that wasn't appreciated.
Not all co-writing will end up with a fully fledged fic. Not all co-writing will end up being a good experience. If the person you really want to write with doesn't want to write with you, don't take it personally. It just do be like that.
But I'm the kind of person who really has come to love it, and while I'm a lot more picky now with who I write (because I'd love to like, not lose more friends), I think I will always seek it out, especially with the people with whom it's been a success before. I love, love, loveeeeee writing with my friends. I find it so rewarding and fun and great and I have nothing bad to say about it. I just really, really love it.
And if you've made it till here just know I have ONE fic I wrote with 2 other writers that we published under anon. and it's just out there. Doing its thing.
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To bring up the categorization of books, we also have to acknowledge who provides the metadata of said books - the publishers. The publishers are picking and deciding which BISACs to give books and those BISACs are partially decided upon by: the creator(s), the editor(s)/editorial dept and the marketing dept.
This metadata will be what decides where a book is placed in retailers both in brick and mortar stores along with online stores like HOOPLA, Amazon, etc and in libraries. This metadata also decides what age level, reading level, genre, etc are and where they'll also be placed.
Film and tv is similar, producers, the studio, and the creator(s) will decide on what genre, age bracket, etc a film or tv show will be. This all will effect how the marketing dept will decide on how to market said project.
I view these things more from a marketing perspective first and foremost. Sometimes the marketing for A Thing won't align with what The Thing actually is; this is a failure on the marketing dept and studio typically in my experience.
The recent The Crow (2024) film is a good example of bad marketing for an alright film.
For me saying that something is BL if and only if there is prominent romance is a misunderstanding of the genre as a whole and limits our perspective and discussion of what BL can offer audiences as a whole. Lots of BL has romance, but not all of it. Similarly, lots of shoujo has romance, but not all of it. Lots of shounen has action, but not all of it.
[ @ineffable-opinions goes more into this in their reblog]
Is Death Note not a shounen series simply because there's no power-ups and action fight scenes? This is where my marketing perspective comes into play again, Death Note was published and marketed as a shounen series, 4 Minutes is marketed and made with the intention of being a BL series. I don't think either series being mystery thrillers negates those facts it's just an expansion of what we stereotypically think of the genres as a whole.
If I'm marketed a romance and it doesn't have a happy ending, idk I'm fine with that? If the tragic ending is earned and narratively fits; Romeo + Juliet made almost 3 times it's budget and it's a romance/tragedy film, Moulin Rouge is also a romance musical that ends in tragedy but it's also beloved by audiences. Lots of amazing romance stories - be they films, or books - don't end in a happy ending.
I wouldn't invite Alice to the party b/c a lot of creators of color in comics publishing have a problem with them, and their overall xenophobia (as well as the accusations of tracing/copying a lot of BL manga for Heartstopper tho the proof of tracing is shaky) lol but if we're going to say romance is central to BL then I don't see why Heartstopper is exempt. The original webtoon is categorized as "romance | school" after all.
Alice doesn't want to be invited to the party - because of their ironic distain for the genre - okay, but BOC is promoting and categorizing their series - from 4 Minutes, to Dead Friend Forever, to Kinnporsche - as BL so why does Alice get say but BOC doesn't?
I think people are gonna think I'm a bitch for being so pedantic about this snaps lol but I promise I'm not trying to be a bitch. I'm mostly just seeing a very limited idea of what BL has to offer, what it is, what it can be, and I just think that's a bummer? There's also the aforementioned xenophobia that I've seen just around~~ fandom in general. Where if something is "to good" then it's not BL, or "to much plot" it's not BL. Or if it appeals more to individual western sensibilities it's "not bl".
Again, this isn't like ~calling out anyone cause call outs are evil and fucking stupid, just a general observation of fandom behavior in general that I've seen across multiple social media platforms.
The people on here getting mad about one couple getting too much screen time or another not doing enough in 4Minutes are the same to me as the booktok people who can’t read anything without romance. Sometimes it’s about storytelling that makes you scream into your pillow every week idk what else to fucking tell you
#chaos pikachu speaks#hey op if you're not cool with this discussion on your post btw hit me up and I'll stop/delete
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➥ welcome to the club
hey i'm Ash and welcome to my acc
For my presentation: I'm bi, trans / use he|they pronouns and I'm 20 ! ٭ ٭ ٭ click "read more" for the rules and masterlist! [Stopped writing fics for now]
rules !
1 If you're under 16 please do not follow me. I have been engaging more and more in NSFW content and I don't want any minors reading my stuff :) and if I find out you're I'll block you (IF YOU DON'T PUT YOUR AGE I'LL IMMEDIATELY BLOCK YOU THANK YOU)
2 Do not repost my fics. I know they're not much but I just want to make it clear for everyone.
3 No transphobia, homophobia or racism is tolerated here. That also includes if you're a weirdo/pedo you'll be immediately blocked and reported.
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side note: I do not mind women/female aligned people on my account but keep in mind one thing. This account is mostly for the male audience and non binary/ gender not conforming people. I have decided that I'll not write for women since I'm not comfortable with it and it makes my dysphoria a big problem. Please do not ask me for it and search for someone who will do it gladly.
IMPORTANT: I've stated this before but I'm gonna remind you. Fem aligned people are welcome to my account, after all I mostly do gn reader but what I'm not that comfortable is with them liking posts DIRECTED towards cis men/ trans men. I do understand that it might be good written for you, but please, these are for them. Not for you. I know I don't have the power to tell you what to do. But I can block you. So understand that if I see someone like She/her - she/they (with also lesbian on their bio) liking my male reader posts I'm gonna be uncomfortable.
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content I'm okay with writing!
⊹ NSFW, fluff, angst, crack, common/ mild kinks, character x character, reader x multiple characters, monsters, vtubers (not making it like it's real), one shots, head canons & series about character x reader
content I'll not touch!
⊹ Adult character x child reader/character (as in a romantic aspect), real people (I'll only take vtubers online persona), incest, non-con, really explicit kinks, disturbing ideas that people might ask, furries (monster fucking doesn't count I guess), pedophilia, hate speech towards minority groups
specific exceptions :
✂ dub-con but only if people are okay with it (my other account has dark content if you're interested), heavy kinks only if I'm comfortable (somnophilia for example), monsters (like fucking a tentacle monster, a werewolf, etc) and I think that's it.
some fandoms I've written for:
☕︎︎ MHA:
- Boys Headcanons
- Deku (Angst/Fluff)
- Tamaki (Appreciation Post)
- Boys (Small details)
-Izuku (With Love)
- Let me be (Izuku 1)
- Let me be (Izuku 2)
- Let me be (Izuku 3)
- Let me be (Izuku 4)
- Let me be (Izuku final)
☕︎︎ GENSHIN IMPACT:
- Zhongli (messy outcome remake) 🔞
- Tighnari (Cursed fantasy) 🔞
- Tighnari (Silhouette) 🔞
- Dainsleif (Aimed to Kill)
- Kazuha (Fluff)
- Pantalone (Teasing) 🔞
- Zhongli (Dom Reader) 🔞
- Kaeya (Heacanons) 🔞
- Diluc (Flames) 🔞
- Xiao (Angst)
- Xiao (Brat tammer) 🔞
- Albedo (Body Open) 🔞
- Albedo (Fluff)
- Albedo (Succubus) 🔞
- Thigh Riding 1 🔞
-Thigh Riding 2 🔞
-Thoma (Is that so) 🔞
☕︎︎ MYSTIC MESSENGER:
- 707 (Stargazing)
- RFA Eyes
- Wounds 1 (TW sh)
- Wounds 2 (TW sh)
- Late Confessions 1
- Late Confessions 2
☕︎︎ LUXIEM / SHXTOU:
- Ike (Killer High heels) 🔞
- Ike (4 am)
- Luxiem hot 🔞
- Vampire Luxiem 1 🔞
- Vampire Luxiem 2 🔞
- Needy Shoto 🔞
- Mysta (Brat tammer) 🔞
- Kyo (Slow your grind) 🔞
☕︎︎ REDACTED AUDIO:
- Gavin Fanart 🔅
- Gavin Fanart 2 🔅
- Redacted Headcanons 🔅
- Redacted Headcanons 2 🔅
- David Fanart 🔅
- David Fanart 2 🔅
- Redacted Art Dump 1 🔅
- Redacted Art Dump 2 🔅
- Oc's reunion (Darlins) 🔅
- Red Redacted 🔅
others I'm interested in include ── kimetsu no yaiba / attack on titan / obey me / nu carnival / ouran high school / saiki k
ෆ Hope this clears up any questions you have! ෆ
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Just read the new Houseki no Kuni chapter, what a ride! So many new developments...
(More thoughts/spoilers under cut)
Okay so first of all, at this point I don't really have any particular predictions/expectations regarding what happens next, I'm mostly here for the ride lol.
Art-wise, this chapter was lovely! I've seen people mention that the (ex-?)gems' hair looks a lot more light/fluid now that they're lunarians, and I think that's really cool!
It was very sweet seeing Cinnabar so happy about being around flowers now that their poison isn't an issue, and I like seeing them so integrated into the community, especially in comparison to how isolated they were at the beginning of the story.
From what I've seen in online discussions of this chapter, there seems to be some dissatisfaction regarding the characters' attitudes towards Phosphophyllite's situation. While I do agree that they seem rather uncaring, in my opinion it does align with what we've seen of them thus far.
I feel like it's been pretty established that gems and lunarians alike don't exactly have what would be considered "human" morals, and it kind of makes sense since they're supposed to represent separate components of humanity rather than a complete whole.
Overall, even though not all readers are happy with the current situation in the story, it does bring out the idea of change, which has been a very prominent theme in this manga. We see how change can have a variety of effects-it can improve the lives of some (like Cinnabar, who became a part of the community thanks to these changes), while some things may not be very affected by it (such as how the relationship between Diamond and Bort seems to still be less than positive) Some get swept up in the changes, like the many gems/lunarians enjoying life on the moon, while others get left behind, like Phosphophyllite.
Change is portrayed as something that isn't black-or-white, but rather it is shown that a single change can have a large range of results for different people, based on their personalities, beliefs, circumstances, etc.
I'm honestly pretty excited to see what direction the story takes next, but for now it's really interesting to see the different views on and interpretations of chapter 96!
If you've made it this far, thanks for reading!
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17 Questions, 17 People
tagged by @ravens-words, @onelonelytortillachip, @stellalore, and @tinselbuck - thank you all for thinking of me! I'm VERY late to the game but I've been meaning to catch up and do this! 💖
nicknames: most people just use Hayley - some people refer to me by a pun of my last name if they also know my siblings but that's not for tumblr haha
zodiac: aquarius (hiiii @arrenemris!)
height: 5'6”
hogwarts house: ravenclaw which stereotypically aligns with me well. I had to do the Pottermore test a few years back for a themed party with beer pong quidditch and a very alcoholic polyjuice potion
last thing i googled: 'weather tomorrow' and if that's not the most stereotypical thing too. Listen it's hard to know if it's a parka or a leather jacket kind of day out there right now, okay? Mother nature is fickle.
followers: 140 ❤ I am shiny and new to tumblr this year so big thanks to all of you for welcoming me into this space!
song stuck in my head: Stretchy Pants - Carrie Underwood, because the first time I heard my brain just bluescreened at the idea that it was just a fever dream. It is cute and fun and it puts me in a good mood every time I hear it.
how much sleep: somewhere between 6-7 hours on average which is not ideal and I'm trying to do better. I oscillate between getting way too little sleep and then trying to catch up in a single night like I'm still a teenager.
lucky number: 8
dream job: I... think I have it as of last year? Which is absolutely mind-boggling. I just wish I got to do it in person which was the part I really dreamed about because being an exclusively online professor can on occasion be horribly disenchanting. Thinking positive thoughts for the future 💕
wearing: forest green lace trimmed halter top and grey sweatpants. I have every intention of listening to Christmas music after this and going into my basement-converted-into-Christmas-workshop and wrapping all my presents like the last-minute person that I am.
favourite song: I don't even know. I wish I kept track of what I listened to a lot like I used to back in the day. I'm throwing back to the last time I declared a song "my favourite" which was ages ago and "I love you always forever" by Donna Lewis.
favourite instrument: I grew up playing the soprano saxophone and vibing on Kenny G (yes I know that's again a stereotype)
aesthetic: "cozy jewel tones and warm neutrals" <- imma just borrow this from @stellalore because this in fact my current vibe. Pre-pandemic was the dark blue jeans, brown faux-leather heeled boots, wears a mostly buttoned-up but open at the top dress shirt casually with the sleeves rolled up to the elbow with a tank top on underneath kind of 'gal.
favourite author: Suzanne Brockmann
favourite animal noise: the excited sound my sister's dog makes every time she sees me 🥺
random: you know those old teenaged heist movies where teens orchestrate to break into the teacher's office to steal the exam answer key so they can do well and graduate? I am the foil to that because the students would break in at 3am the day of the exam and I'd still be there sitting in the dark and glow of my screen like "oh sorry guys I'm still writing it my bad" 😂
I have no idea who to tag at this point because I am so late to this activity and I think many people who wanted to do it already have! But I'm going to tag @arrenemris, @ronordmann, @tails89, @midnightdiaz, @corgiqueen14, @marjansmarwani, @afoldintime and anyone else who wants to! (no pressure and if you already did one feel free to tag me in it so I can go read it!)
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