#i have a dance performance coming up & i have 3 choreo ideas i cant decide between 🤔

[skyborneveggie]

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[hhuta]

every day i think about how they changed the le bien qui fait mal and l'assasinphonie choreography so salieri wasn't dancing close with sexy half naked men. do we know why. i have tried and failed to pinpoint an exact time. i feel like im going insane. they no homoed a dance

anon.. i think about that daily too... im so happy someone else loves the original choreos like i do 😭 it took me a while to reply cuz i was on a mission to answer ur questions as best as i could. so... finally... here is what i found out:

first of all if u wanna read my rant about the changes, in general, here are the posts about le bien qui fait mal and l'assasymphonie

second of all "do we know why" is a good question. meaning i dont have an answer dlkjaskl i just now started to learn french so if they ever talked about it in a video, or something... i missed it. so right away im telling u that i can only offer my guesses.

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starting with LE BIEN QUI FAIT MAL, as i said in that post i linked, i tried to figure out whether they only degayed it for the 2011 proshot or not and i found out that no, the changes were also present in live performances.

then an anon told me massimiliano (the dancer who manhandles salieri) couldnt be at the 2011 proshot recording. i checked the video and he really wasnt there at all, but that still doesnt fully explain things, bc as u will see from my extensive, very professional research, unlike in the 2011 proshot, in live 2011 shows massimiliano was there, performing, in other parts of the musical. just not during lbqfm. i know he is an irreplaceable icon, so much that i couldnt find a single video where he wasnt the one manhandling salieri (even tho other dancers, from other parts of the choreo, kept switching), but to me its now clear that that was not the case. they really just decided to change the choreo.

so now lets see how it all progressed

for that its helpful to know the dates of mor performances. based on that i was insane enough to watch as many videos as i could to try to pinpoint when the choreo changed. except it wasnt that simple. i quickly found out that a loootttttt of other changes happened before that major one, before massimiliano left. so here it is

THE LBQFM CHOREO CHANGES I NOTICED

03.01.2010 last PDS performance, still the original

6, 26 february 2010 original

11 march 2010 original (massimiliano's skirt fell off 😭)

20 march 2010 original

8 may 2010 original

9 may 2010 not so much the original anymore. this is the first change i've noticed. @1:28 originally its a male dancer who bends back salieri and then there are 2 men and 2 women who .. idk how to describe it, but do that push and pull motion. here one of the guys is not there

(10, 11, 12 no performances)

13, 15, 16 may 2010 now the other guy is gone too, only women left (but the dancer is not really gone. im pretty sure hes there, doing another thing next to them)

(cannot find a video from the 17th, that was the last performance in lyon)

performances at zenith de saint etienne begin at the 21st but i couldnt find a video from it

22 may 2010 original again (sidenote salieri is really unhinged here)

27 may 2010 change. female dancer who's usually interacting with salieri during the first verses isnt there, just massimiliano. not sure if its the same woman who calls him during the bridge and moves him thru the dancers but anyways shes also not there, he walks around alone. so when the Climax happens, again, only massimiliano is there grabbing him

31 may 2010 and 6, 10, 13 and 19 june 2010 another change. the female dancer is back, but during "j'adore l'avoir dans la peau" usually there are two dancers next to him mimicking playing a harp with their bodies but not this time

now the dates that matter the most i cant find a single videeooo 🤡 which are the performances in limoges (25, 26 and 27 june 2010) so all i can say is that

3 july 2010 is the first time i could find that massimiliano wasnt there. aka the degayed choreo. but i cant say if it is the first. also the original choreo for the "j'adore..." part is back again. thats the only performance they did in nancy and its also the last tour performance from 2010. a bunch of people were at the curtain call, even albert cohen was there, so its very weird that massimiliano was absent. im so mad i couldnt find those videos from late june bc all i got is just one video of him not being there, which makes me think he just couldnt be there so they had to change the choreo

9 november 2010 they are back in PDS and its the original again (also this is just for me but he still has the original cravat here. im trying to kill two birds with one stone)

2 december 2010 original (salieris beautiful cravat is gone 😔but this is one of my fave videos)

5, 11 december 2010 still the original

12 december 2010 changes again 😭 "j'adore..." harp dancers are gone again

14 december 2010 they are back <3 (funny video bc mikelangelo forgets to give florent the score)

18 december 2010 NOW HERE ITS WHERE IT GETS INTERESTING. a little change. massimiliano is there at the beginning, he drags salieri around but then hes gone before the first verse starts! and he doesnt come back !!! harp dancers are still there tho lmao

19 december 2010 massimiliano is fully gone 🎻 yamin even replaced him during la mascarade, like it happens in the 2011 proshot. i think since this date this change became the standard for a while, before they went back to the original. in the meantime, im guessing its when they shot the 2011 proshot

26 december 2010 still just the female dancer

4, 8 january 2011 still just the female dancer

9 january 2011 still just the female dancer but because it was the last performance in paris, before going on tour again, she has a whip for funsies. also they added, at the end, 2 female dancers sorta removing and quickly putting back salieris coat

28 january 2011 first tour performance, still just the female dancers. and i was not paying attention to this before, but i noticed for the first time in this video the 2 women dancing together, like they show for 2 seconds in the 2011 proshot. lesbian rights <3 i dont think it was part of the original choreo? its hard to tell exactly when they added that bc people usually record salieri, not the dancers, and hes not next to them when it happens (its before the bridge)

4, 5, 6 february 2011 still just the female dancer. but unlike before, this time (but idk exactly when it began) massimiliano was there for other parts of the show; yamin and other people didnt replace him (on the 4th: im pretty sure hes present in l'assasymphonie) (on the 5th: hes in la mascarade, le trublion, etc)

so. they really just changed it. massimiliano not being able to perform wasnt the case. we have to accept that they made a mistake <333 ldkajslk

19, 20, 27 february 2011 the original is back

19, also 19, 20, 23, 26 march 2011 it changed a little again but massimiliano is still there. no one bends salieri back and just one guy and one woman do the push and pull motion. also i think around here they removed the two women dancing together? maybe i just cant see it

20 mai 2011 original back once again

01 april 2011 .................... clearly an aprils fools joke bc massimiliano is gone again. i randomly picked this date cuz i knew it would be cursed dlkjaslk.. also again salieri doesnt get bent back and just 2 dancers do the push and pull... u knOW IT !!! WE GET IT !!!!! ok but i love him dramatically sighing and falling on the floor at @2:58 hes doing the most to make up for the flavour that got lost

03.06.2011 original again

12.06.2011 just massimiliano, no female dancer. im obsessseedddd with this video fully bc of the things massimiliano does!! obsessed with his evil smile @0:48, obsessed with salieri forgetting to throw the score on the floor, so massimiliano grabs it from his hand and forces him to kneel and stand up again. can u tell im a massimilianator and the choreo without him has no chance to please me?

17.06.2011 back to the original again

now im gonna skip to the very last performance from this production bc im honestly tired lkdajskl

10 july 2011 its the original thank god

TL;DR: 19 december 2010 is when the degayed choreo became the standard for a bit and on 19 february 2011 the original returns.

im confident that watching all those videos in a short period of time gave me brain damage but .. anything for science <3

ANYWAYS i started to do this to figure out why they changed It only to realise they changed A Lot of other things throughout performances (some things i didnt even mention, like the dance the woman does next to salieri during the first verse changes a lot) and they kept going back and forth to the original choreo. i think i can safely say not a single part (involving salieri) remained the same throughout the whole thing (not even the bending him back part was always there. i could swear it would be but!! no!). my guess is maybe because a certain dancer took a break or maybe they just wanted to do something different

in conclusion i figured out the exact dates but i cant tell u why massimiliano wasnt part of lbqfm for a while. i couldnt even find people talking about it on forums but, again, maybe bc im not fluent in french. to me it was a big loss, the whole thing loses its spice, i obviously prefer the original by miles. no idea why they simply didnt chose someone to replace him bc the other dancers changed all the time.

maybe it was in florents contract that only massimiliano was allowed to manhandle him <3 dlkjaslk im half kidding bc who knows? maybe it was a legal thing, maybe massimiliano invented this part of the choreo and only He could do it 😭 but honestly. my real final guess is that they simply wanted to change things to make it New and Fresh. as we saw, massimiliano leaving wasnt the only lbqfm choreo change.

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moving on to L'ASSASYMPHONIE thank god bc it will be a lot easier to pinpoint when they changed the choreo. i believe they changed it and never went back to the original </3 god knows why </333 so when i find the new one ill stop looking

03.01.2010 last performance from "season one", at PDS (before going on tour) and also the last time they used the original choreo bUT ! THERES A BONUS! MORE MEN !!! LKDJALKS they said we will degay it later but u can have more naked men as a goodbye gift <3 really caught me by surprise, its the first time i watched it. but u wanna know whats really weird? this blurry shaky video is the only one i can find?! i even had to scroll a lot on youtube to get to it... conspiracy theory dove is trying to hide the original choreo. but honestly it makes no sense bc it was a Special day..... i cant find it anywhereee not even outside youtube... this is a hate crime. this is offensive. this is the heresy salieri sings about in the song.

the only thing i found was another performance from the same day but i think its the morning or afternoon performance and not the very last one. its for sure different than the one i linked first. i dont think there are 100 men onstage but at least we can see he had black nails 🥰 anyways... if anyone knows a better shot video of the very last performance... let me know... im really upsetklfdjalsjdal I FEEL SOOOO ROBBED...

and im even more mad now, remembering that from now on we get this new choreo. it began on their first tour

04.02.2010 2010 tour begins, first time we see the new choreo

and i have absolutely no idea why they changed it. again, i never saw an explanation and i dont have a single guess. i cannot imagine why they thought the new one was better. if i have to say one nice thing about it is that i like the background, the moving curtain that kinda looks like flames. they should absolutely drop the stupid flashing lights and just leave that background for the Cool effect and bRING BACK..... THE HALF NAKED BLINDFOLDED MEN (HNBM) ...........  THEY CAN REPRESENT SO MUCCHHHHHH... I LOVE THEM....

thats all i got to say otherwise ill start repeating myself.. if u wanna read more about my opinions on the hnbm and why i prefer the original l'assasymphonie choreo its all in the second link of this post..

anyways big thanks to anyone who read this, hope u enjoy all those videos. even with the dagayed choreos, florent and the dancers always deliver amazing performances. so, regardless, its a good time to watch them. lastly if anything is wrong, if i put down the wrong date or something, my bad, but it was .. a lot.. to go through, so if anyone sees a mistake let me know !

[squishysuho]

tagged by @aceshua quite literally twenty thousand years ago and am only just now doing it because Im a mess lol.

1. If you could have one member’s hairstyle on your own head for a day, who’s would it be and from what era? (this can be svt or not)

There’s just no way I can answer this with just one. So here’s a collection of my favorite hairstyles that I’d totally want for much longer than a day. I have dark brown Indian hair so all of these would be so much fun to have:

Jeonghan’s long hair was amazing and I’d sell my soul to get it back. I’m not sure how I would look with this hair, but like damn it looks good on him so thats all that really matters.

Also Dont Wanna Cry era was a Look™ Again idk how short blonde hair would look on me but it was so pretty on him that I’d wanna try it.

Also my girl Taeyeon has had some stellar hair that I’d wanna try:

2. What’s your go-to snack food?

hhaha I dont even think it counts as snacking because I eat so much that its lowkey a full meal, but I make indian ramen: Maggi or french fries if we have potatoes. Sometimes I get desperate and make a mini pizza from scratch.

3. If you can only have one piece of Bongbong merch– out of all of the boy’s bongbong drawings, fan made pillows/hats/plushies of various bongbongs, OG gyu bongbongies– what Piece of Bongbong would you want in your room forever and why?

Omg this one is so hard and you knew it was going to be difficult for me to answer with my obsession with Bongbong. I made my own version of the og bongbong so I dont need one of those. I lowkey want the headband, but I never actually use my hair accessories, so my legit answer is this bongbong pillow that I’d probably use as a travel pillow.

4. You dress up as a piece of food for halloween. What article of food are you?

why.

literally why.

If I have to be some kind of a food costume, its gonna be something cute. I literally had to search food costumes for this and I’d pick one that looks pretty. There was an ice cream cone one where the girl had a dress that looked like sprinkles and a waffle cone headband. I think I’d do that since the dress was very pretty and looked comfortable. Also I’m lazy and that would be an easy costume to do.

5. You get to give your bias a present but it has to be hand made by You. What do you give them?

Screams. So listen. Most of seventeen is my bias. so like. They’re all getting one handmade present from me. I think any present(s) that I made would have some sort of a comfort aspect to them because I’m all about the being comfortable no matter where you are in life. For most of my seventeen biases I’m imagining making something that makes it easy for them to nap or be warm in. Like I know Jeonghan especially likes to nap and hes looked hella tired lately, so I’d make a cute pillow (maybe giraffe or angel themed) he could take places. Or a small blanket thats easy to travel with. Or I’d make something that makes it easy to hide from all the cameras in like specifcally I’m imaging Wonwoo in those airport photos where he hides in his hoodie. So like this sounds ridiculous but can you imagine a cloak with a large hood that the members could hide in? Because I’m that extra carat that would make that for them. It would have tons of pockets and be super warm. (bonus: pls imagine woozi in a cloak with a hood walking around an airport)

6. Favorite non-MV video of svt?

All of the part switch videos. I’ve seen the part switches more than the actual mvs. Also the aju nice dance practice fucked me up like no other so theres that. Any Clap live performance too because the choreo is so absolutely amazing and I love the stage outfits. Scoup’s parts, Jeonghan’s hoping part, Joshuas singing. wonwOOS PART. U kno which one. where he and woozi point to the audience like yea you clap too.

(oops i think i was supposed to pick one. too bad)

7. Do you have the names of your future pets planned out? If so, what are they? Im so indecisive that I dont have any one name picked out. But I do have some names that I have liked for a while and could see myself naming a future doggo. Omo is one that I really liked, but I think I’m less likely to use now. I really love references, so any names I picked would probably be subtle references to whatever I’m obsessed with at the time of getting the pet. I have a cactus named Natasha because I love Black Widow, so something that would have meaning to me but not be super obvious to anyone else I think. 

8. What’s the stupidest thing you did/that’s happened to you this week? (I’ll start- the other day i woke up and my laptop was in my fridge…I don’t remember doing this. why)

(okay same tho. I once put my phone in the fridge and then had no idea where the ringing noise was coming from when I called it)

You know. I havent done much stupid stuff this week. But like lets talk about finals week which was last week and how I waited too long to start my final so as my friends were finishing at 2 am, I was only just open Indesign up and starting. I did not sleep that night and even though my class ended at 10 am I didnt actually go to sleep until 11 pm so like I was awake for a really long time? Like I woke up Monday at 8 am but didnt actually sleep again until 11 pm on Tuesday. There was a depression nap thrown in there somewhere tho. Also because there were no late penalties I waited until the very last day to turn in almost every single assignment and lab for my javascript class. 

Rules: Answer my questions and then make your own!

I dont know if this is allowed but I want to tag @aceshua back because I want her answers to my questions lol. Also tagging @palexing @starry-hun @ajongchowyun if you guys want to answer my questions :)

I'm going to try to write these questions so that the people I tag can answer them even if they're not into seventeen.

1. Hairstyle you would sell your soul to see your bias in? (this can totally be one they've had already and want back) 2. I'm pretty sure everyone does that thing where they listen to a new song and fixate on it, so which songs are you currently blasting on repeat over and over again? 3. If you could ask your top three biases any question, what would you ask them? 4. Do you have any biases that when you were first getting into the group and learning the members that you decided you weren't going to stan, but then they forced their way into your lane? (for example when I first got into svt I didn't want to stan 'the long haired one' and then learned more about jeonghan and now love) 5. I stole this question from somewhere, but I love it so much.  Would you trust your bias to make you mac and cheese? Explain. 6.  Which rapper do you want to hear sing more and which vocal do you want to hear rap more?? 7. Has kpop ever actually made you so emotional that you've cried before? 8.  Its 4 am and I cant think of another question. Insert 3 of your favorite gifs here related to your biases or groups that you stan.