#i hate backgrounds btw. and shading. got REAL lazy with both

[astral-schools]

(manticore's) endgame

[pafsins2]

Everything Wrong AND Right with Phineas and Ferb

We've now covered the “sins' in every single episode plus some side things. In some, we go over the sins the show in general has. However, I think it's time to look at those closer. That's right, we are looking at the sins of the show in general. And also the wins because hey, bette end this on a good note.

This will be ...interesting.

SINS:

1.Disney Channel

2.Some actors from said channel are here because synergy.

3.On two occasions they switched premieres to a channel not many get because reasons.

4.The channel also aired episodes out of production order for no reason usually, and their airing of the show in general had so many problems. If they aired  it right, the show would have had a shorter run.

5.The fanbase had ….problems, let's leave it at that.

6.”Teenage girl obsessed with her phone' cliche

7.”Love interest that exists for that reason” cliche

8.”Girl next door with an unrequited crush” cliche

9.”Bully” cliche

10.”Smart one” cliché. Bonus points for him being a token.

11.Despite the “No idiots” rule, Stacy comes close enough in some early episodes.

12.Phineas' voice early on.

13.Doof's voice got ...mixed as time went on.

14.”Quiet one” cliche

15.Ferbnessa gives us ANOTHER unrequited crush!

16. Btw, when they show premiered, they did by airing many new episodes in February 2008, one a day for the most part./ That's fine but it's more or less the pecussoer to the bomb foarmt used today and it's become a huge problem recently. I don't wanna say this show is to blame for it but...

17.”Ineffectual silly villain' cliche

18.”Ugly Guy with Hot daughter” cliche

19.”Dumbass Dad” cliche

20.Tons of Creator Cameos everywhere.

21.”Fanboy” cliche

22.Albert more or less broke their no jerks rule. I can excuse one off or villains though.

23.Django,Jenny, and Coltrane get a sin for more or less being pointless as they are not missed after being dropped.

24.Also, “Hippie” cliché.

25.The show's  messed u p timeline is worth an extra sin.  +1

27.This show has a formula so thus it is the same thing every episode, even though it's really not.

28.Show uses lampshade hanging to cover some problems.

29.”Fans complain when the show does something different” cliche

30.Season 4 had tons of unresolved plot lines, from Montessa to the Norm/Chloe thing. That's ever so slightly lazy.

31.I could sin any of the running gags for any reason as some could get slightly old, sometimes.

32.Foreign Leaks. Thar is all.

33.Phinbella.

34.There did not need to be well over 60 episode segments in Season 2 and 3.

35.It's always clear when they did not plan certain things in advance, so there's plenty of contradictions. See doof turning good.

36.That Ballon-y scene.

37.Candace Gets Busted.

38.Bujeet and Perryshmirtz are cool and all but they border on abusive relationships. Unfortunate Implications ahoy! (And also the bestiality)

39.The show is actually mostly good with it's Celeb Cameos, but sometimes they amount to 'oh hey, a sports guy no one's ever heard of”. Disney loves doing this for some reason.

40. The show is so good with continuity that it always sticks out when they have errors.

41. The show has animation errors sometimes so it's a 0/10

42.And the final sin I could come up....is this placeholder for any I miss because I've thinking for a while and this all I got.

SHOW SIN TALLY: 42

SENTENCE: Busted

Well, that was interesting. Tried to put it as many as possible, between ones I referenced before and some new ones. As usual, most of these are jokes although I did some actual complaints here and there. Kind of ran out at a point though. Now onto some gushing.

WINS:

1.Dan and Swampy became more of a win because of this but they were already a win, if only for Rocko's Modern Life alone.

2.The show took a whopping 13 years to air from it's inception. Win points for not giving up in that time!

3.When they made they show, they expliting did not want to be mean spirited or have any real idiots or jerks, like so many other shows at the time. Nice,.

4.For all the crap I give Disney, they deserve credit for picking up the show and treating it well enough in the beginning.

5.I'll go more voice actors in a bit, but I always like it when the creators voice characters especially when they are actually good at voice acting.

6.While the animation is mostly simply good, not only is it still good later seasons get REALLY good, especially the backgrounds and shading in Season 3.

THE SONGS. They managed to have one song in each episode with even the weakest being good. There is a great range of styles and they manage to catchy and extremely awesome. +5!

11.Extra points for the cast being full of great singers, as well as the background people like Danny Jacob, Laura Dickson, and my favorite, Aaron Jacob.

12.They got some awesome guest stars, from Clay Akein, to Jon Stewart, to Kevin Smith, and the list goes on.

13.The show was on for 4 Seasons and never truly dipped in quality. True, the run wasn't perfect but it was always at least good, despite what some people might have you think.

14.The show came in the late 2000's, when animation was at a kind of a low point. A show this good coming out in 2008 is enough of a win but I am fairly sure this at least kinda lead to the 2010's animation Renaissance. In the least, it needs credit for 100 percent being the reason Gravity Falls was greenlit.  

15.Above all else, this show is just funny. There's good variety, but it's mostly dialogue driven which works very well. Even the weakest episodes, have one good laugh.

16.Despite having the formula, it worked because they would always toy with it, making it a fun game to see how it would be different this time. It lead to lots of good humor.

17.Plus, they are very much willingly to shake it up, especially in later seasons.

18.The show had about 10 “specials' only one was below great. Awesome.

19.The show is really good at parody, it clearly respects everything it homages which is how we get Phineas and Ferb Star Wars.

20.I'd say there's a decent amount of diversity here, with the females being able to kick butt and have 3 dimensional personalities even if they do get involved in romance sometimes. Not to mention Baljeet being great as well.

21.Any show that gets a movie is a win especially the greatest DCOM ever made. Besides the one with Kirk Cameron as a dog, of course.

22.The creators are really good at keeping in touch with fans over Twitter, and even listening to them given they made the Ginger thing canon. This goes for the writers two, given a certain thing I did with one writer.

23.The show has good morals in general but there's one big one: Make the most of everyday. They take advantage of the summer setting to do this, and it's done really well.

24.The creators have said that the show is more or less about Candace or Doof as they change and are more complex. This was a good move since it mostly works and the boys were still the focus at the end of the day, at least enough.

25.Time to into more specific wins. Phineas is a good lead for his optimistic nature and how some specials make it more complex, especially Summer Belongs to You. He also has some subtle comedy lines. Vincent Martella sold both big sides to him.

26.Ferb is just awesome with his silent nature and can be quite the badass. Thomas Sangster has a good voice for this.

27. Candace could have been unlikable or a big butt monkey, but they not only balance these elements but she ended being a 3 dimensional character. There have been essasies about how great, hilarious, and likable of a character she is. Plus, she proved how great Ashley Tisdale can be.

27.Perry the platypus/Agent P is not only badass but the writers/animators good a good job of giving him a personality to make his scenes more dynamic.

28.Doofenshmirtz is one of my favorite characters now. I went into this in LDOS wins but in short, he's hilarious and has tons of quirks that make him complex, as This is your Backstory really showed. And he really showed Dan's talents, too.

29.Vanessa provides great snark, and her relationship with Doof was really nice. And I don't think to say that Olivia Olson is awesome.

30.Monogram is under appreciated. He's pretty funny and he doesn't outstay his welcome since he's only in each episode for a minute, but he also works when stretched, even in OWCA  Files

31.Carl is great. Besides being funny, he and Monogram work well together and episodes like Where's Perry develop him nicely. Tyler Mann is great, which makes it odd he hasn't been in too much.

32.Isabella is cool as she's proven herself very nicely in the series, especially in Season 4 with Pharmacists and Star Wars. And you know, this is shocking for me to say, but Phinebella works fine and it's really the fantards I hate. Alyson Stoner is cool too.

33.Norm. That is all.

34.Buford is a great for he developed over Season 1 as he went from just a bully to having hidden depths and such. He is also really funny.

35.Baljeet is great too, don't have much to say though. He's a funny smart character and I like that they can make him jerk-ish without going overboard.

36. And of course Bujeet is a win.

37.While I can say why Irving was Divisive, I quite like him for his amusing nature. Plus, they made him better as the series wne ton and Jack McBrayer did a good ob.

38.While I wish they used Albert more, I still like him, especially because of Dedrich Bader

39.I like Linda. She actually gets some good lines and is charming in her own way. Not sure why some actually dislike her. Caroline Rhea does pretty well as her too.

40.Lawrence is awesome. They played the dumbass dad thing straight with Doof so they subvert it with him by just making slightly silly, and very likable. Richard O Brian voicing him is a win too.

41.Phineas' Grandpa is cool because Barry Bostwick and Ferb's is good because Malcom McDowell. The grandmothers are cool too I guess.

42.Stacy is great. She gets some amusing dumb jokes without going too far and plenty of episodes made her awesome. Even if the whole Perry thing went nowhere. Kelly Hu is good too.

43.I like the Fireside Girls as well, especially Ginger given she got a bigger role due to Stacy. All their VA's are great, don't feel like listing them all.

44.Rodney is a fun rival for Doof, and LOVEMUFFIN in general is great.

45.I also like plenty of the smaller characters such as Charlene, not to mention the great one offs.

46.Forgot to mention before, but the continuity of the show still blows me away, with at least one callback in each episode.

47.It would exhausting to have a win for each writer or something like, so this goes out to all the great writers the show has had, including the one offs. I should say writers/story boarders as the show is board driven, after all.

48.There's tons of great episodes to mention but my favorite is Nerds of a Feather so...there.

49.The show made me cry over the weirdest things.

50.And a different note, seeking out the fandom of the show has made me meet some cool friends, some of which I am still in contact with. That's pretty amazing and one of the reason this is personal to me, even with all the ups and downs. I'm very glad it exists and Dwampy got to do another one with MML, which so far is pretty solid.

SHOW WIN TALLY: 50

REWARD: 104 Days of Summer Vacation!

That was a lot more fun to do than the sins. Got gushy but that was the point. I did these sins in the first place out of love. Think of it as an Affectionate Parody. So there you go, we're more or less done, barring some specials I may do out of boredom.

This was a very long but fun ride. As I said, I never thought I would finish this but I made it. Took 3 years but ah well. I have more fun nitpicking than most people, it's weird. This was a fun project, and I hope you all enjoyed it. Even after I had to get a new tumblr after being locked out.

But I'm not doing sins. This was so much fun that , to quote Dan and Swampy,. I'm gonna do it again! Tomorrow or so, I'll start a vote for what Show I cover next  Not saying the options until then. I'll do a post on here to link to it, as well linking it in the other usual places.

It'll be fun. I'd like to thank the hard working people who brought this show to life, Cinema Sins for giving my the idea, as well as LittleshyFim, and most of all, readers like you. Thanks. After all this, you likely only have one questions left.

Does this answer it?

See you later.