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Back to Foxfire! And we're starting off with a household that definitely needs a proper recap.
During the last round, Judi gave birth to Casper, and later on, he grew up into a toddler.
Then Judi was informed that her mother had passed away and bequeathed a majority of their family's wealth to Judi and Jonas.
Jonas was quick to refuse his part of the inheritance. Judi on the other hand was willing to take the money but knew the arrangements were going to force her to travel.
So Judi asked Jonas to move together with her and look after Casper while she was away. Jonas agreed that it'd be the best for Casper but hesitated with the decision, as he wasn't sure if Judi's place was really where he wanted to move.
As for my own thoughts, I'm not thrilled to write about off-screen characters dying. This hood doesn't need any more drama! But, I felt like I didn't have much choice in this case. Would've been weird to keep insisting that Judi and Jonas come from a newly rich family but never acknowledge what happened to that fortune.
#ts2#ts2 gameplay#the sims 2#the sims 2 gameplay#sims 2#sims 2 gameplay#foxfire forest#playing foxfire forest#foxfire forest summary#judith root#jonas root#casper root#i guess writing it in offered some sort of closure for jonas too#he deserves as much
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Me again with more Carrie and Saul. can you elaborate on how itās different between them? You say itās evolved but I donāt see how. Things have happened to Carrie especially, but I donāt really see how their relationship has changed at its core. Maybe Saul treats her more like an adult but even thatās debatable imo. I donāt mean to be argumentative for argumentās sake but... (continued...)
Contā¦ can you give concrete examples of how the development has played out on screen so I can understand it & hopefully S8 better. Specific scenes and what how they werenāt just individual scenes but changed the relationship going forward. Much appreciated!Ā Oh and one more thing re: Saul and Carrie, sorry I forgot. Can you also venture a guess what it means in practice? What do you think will happen between them that will feel like closure or catharsis or something thatās expected of a showās final season and perhaps finale as well?
Note #1: this became a lot longer than I expected (sorry, you asked!). Beyond what Iāve written, I challenge you to go back and watch these individual scenes. Iāve chosen ones from each season to illustrate the full arc of their relationship. Observe the differences in Claire and Mandyās body language, in their facial expressions, in their discomfort, in the shared trauma of whatās come before. Itās deliberate writing and deliberate acting. Shorter version of this post is here, from April 2018.
Note #2:Ā I chose almost exclusively scenes of conflict to represent the evolution of their relationship because I believe that conflict drives change.Ā
PROLOGUE:
To understand the Carrie and Saul relationship, weāve got to understand what their relationship was before we met them. From what we know, Saul recruited Carrie, straight out of college. He saw in her something special and unique, something that didnāt come around every other day. She was gifted but she was also alone. She had no partner. She was socially isolated from her family and from the world (he didnāt yet know of her mental illness). This was an advantage of sorts. It meant she could give herself more and more to the work, same as he did. Remember this is his Achillesā heel: whenever they call, he picks up. He doesnāt know how not to. It destroyed his marriage. But he molds her in his image. He teaches her, he raises her, the way a father would his daughter. He brings her up. Their relationship melds the boundaries of teacher/student, boss/employee, mentor/mentee, and father/daughter. Itās personal, and itās deeply intimate.Ā
This is what we are given before the pilot and itās what weāve grappled with for nearly eight years: his attempts to harness her giftsāoften to her detrimentāand her simultaneous resentment of him for it and unwavering yearning for his approval.Ā
Key Scenes in the Carrie and Saul Canon:
#1: āWhat happened to the Saul Berenson that trekked theĀ Karakoram?ā: Much of the season one conflict between Carrie and Saul comes from her three thousand miles an hour suspicion of Brody and him being likeĀ āwhoa slow down pls.ā He is the first person she tells of these suspicions and he essentially shoots her down, causing her to go rogue. Itās here where the lines become blurred between boss/protege and father/daughter, because the way in which he chastises and punishes her feels awfully familial.Ā
So when Carrie finally reaches a breaking point inĀ āBlind Spotā (the original Carrie Mathison Appreciation Episode), we feel that as though a family is breaking up. It doesnāt matter that she comes crawling back to him, just an episode later, remorseful.Ā
Carrie underlines just how much Saul has changed: in her words, from the man whoĀ ādid three months in a Malaysian prisonā (HELLO???? repeat: he raised her in his image) to a pussy. We understand that Carrie and Saul are both outsiders in the CIA. We understand that Saul is still grappling with his former employee David Estes bring promoted over him. While Carrie truly seems to not give a fuck, Saul keeps in line. He saysĀ āyes, sir.ā He advises caution. None of these are inherently bad qualities but in this scene we come to understand that what drew Carrie to Saul was not his caution, his yin to her yang, but his daring and bravery andĀ āFUCK THE CIAā mentality (thereās a reason why that line is in this episode too).Ā
#2: āYou donāt know a goddamned thingā: This scene isĀ now famous for lines likeĀ āyouāre the smartest and dumbest fucking person Iāve ever knownā (heās not wrong) but this scene is actually one of the more important ones ever on this show, and I still maintain that tāThe Choiceā is the mos important ever Homeland episode. As to why this scene itself is significant in their relationship, Iāll allow Jacob Clifton to explain:
Saul is one thing only, and his love for Carrie comes out of the idea that they are the same. And heās right. But because sheās giving up herself to something he canāt, it looks like they are not the same. It looks ugly to him. He fights it like an addict fights recovery, striking blindly at her softest places because canāt stand the change in vector: Her madness is only acceptable as long as itās useful; her self-abnegation is only positive so long as he can understand it.
I bolded that last sentence because itās almost shockingly predictive of future seasons. We can hem and haw all we want about Saulās relative rightness about Carrie leaving the CIA for Brody being a terrible decision, but the truth is that he would have done it regardless of who Brody was. He would have done it if sheād left with Quinn, with Jonas, with Otto, with Estes, with anyone, or all by herself. I donāt actually believe that Saul wants Carrie to be miserable. I just think he doesnāt care. I think he sees her gifts, her āsaving the worldā (to be totally Mandy Patinkin about it) as a more profound and upright calling than, for example: having a family, being a mother, having an integrated and whole personal lifeā¦ the list goes on.Ā
But the moment when Carrie tells him she doesnāt want to end up alone her whole life, like him, is probably the first great fissure in what was until then a generally even relationship. It establishes her desire forā¦ something beyond everything heād ever shown her (she literally turns down the greatest career opportunity ever for THE DUDE IN THE SUICIDE VESTā¦ and like, did we ever consider that wasnāt really about Carrie loving Brody so much but more about how much she really didnāt fucking want to be Saul????). She threatens his control and he strikes her at the knees.Ā
#3: Literally all of season three: Itās difficult to choose a single scene in season three to encapsulate just how much Carrie and Saulās relationship this season was changed but letās just discuss the overall arc:
Saul and Carrie come up with a plan to lure out Javadi (i.e., Iran) since they know heās partially responsible for the Langley bombing. In their shared plan, Carrie will pretend to be crazy in front of the Senate and the press so that she seems vulnerable to the influence of a foreign power. Coolness.Ā
Except Saul changes the plan in the middle and:Ā
Publicly blames the Langley bombing on Carrie
Outs Carrieās sexual relationship with Brody on national televisionĀ
Has Carrie committed to a mental institution for four weeks with little to no contact with the outside world
Sics Dar fucking Adal on her when she gets out of the mental institution in order toĀ maintain the cover
The scene at the end ofĀ āGame Onā where Carrie comes to Saulās house and tells him the plan has worked is devastating to watch. I donāt think it was entirely clear at the time just how much Saulās plan had strayed from their shared vision until Carrie tells him, through tears,Ā āyou should have gotten me out of there, Saul. You shouldnāt have left me in there.ā He doesnāt say anything in response. When she tells him itās too hard, she canāt keep going, he offers her some tea. It would be funny if it werenāt so fucking sad.Ā
Again:Ā
Her madness is only acceptable as long as itās useful; her self-abnegation is only positive so long as he can understand it.
Season three was all about that: about the lengths Saul would go with Carrieās own illness, and how far along sheād left herself go too. Javadi literally makes a speech about it.
Now, Carrie wasnāt forced to do any of this (well, except the mental institution, that was extremely forced). We see at times how desperately she craves his attention and approval: inĀ āTower of David,ā when she pleads with her therapist to give a good report back to Saul; inĀ āThe Yoga Play,ā where he berates her for getting involved in Brody Family Drama and tells her sheās ruined everything and ARE YOU HAPPY ABOUT THAT NOW CARRIE (god, the father/daughter vibes in that one are nauseating); inĀ āStill Positiveā when she calls him, triumphant, after having arranged the meeting with Javadi and heās likeĀ āoh yeah by the way we lost you for a few hours there.āĀ
(This doesnāt fit into the above theme but the scene at the end ofĀ āOne Last Thingā when Carrie tells him in order for any of this shit to work they have to trust each other is one of the most interesting and important scenes of the whole season, simply because it implies one easy truth: they donāt trust each other. And what a change that is from earlier seasons.)Ā
And yet, he needed her for it all to work. Saul may have been the mastermind of the entire clusterfuck of season three (better on rewatch than you would think!), but without Carrie literally every step of the way, it would have gone up in flames. She lured Javadi to America with her 95%-based-in-reality mania. She convinced Brody to go to Iran knowing it would almost certainly end in his death. And then she went straight along to Tehran knowing sheād probably have to witness it all.Ā
The end of season three is super interesting in their relationship because I believe in my gut and in my soul that Carrie still resents Saul for convincing her to convince Brody to go kill himself. I really believe this. Again, she wasnāt forced. She did this of her own volition. But he planted the seed in her head, and I think some part of Carrieālikely equal parts rational and irrationalāblames him for it, even as she mostly blames herself.Ā
I wonāt even mention Saulās complete un-acknowledgement of Carrie being nine months pregnant in the last half ofĀ āThe Starā but Saul basically ignoring Carrieās child for four years is more significant than we give it credit for.
#4:Ā āEscape or die. I promise.ā The season four relationship between Carrie and Saul is interesting because it upends their previous dynamic. Carrie and Saul were always outsiders in the agency, but now heās actually on the outside and sheās ascended, more an insider than ever. Also, I know part of it was grief, and again this is not an absolution, but where else do we think Carrie learned her casual disregard for human life? Iām just saying, season four came after season three.Ā
So anyway, when Carrie promises to Saul that heāll kill him before letting him be re-captured by the Taliban, we almost sort of believe her. She nearly killed him once before (wanna know the quickest way to get me from 0 to 1500 words on this show? mention the end ofĀ āFrom A to B and Back Again.ā but actually donāt please).
The middle episodes of season fourāCarrie nearly killing Saul, reneging on her promise to kill him, and then tearfully saving him from himselfāare extremely moving. And they cement the arc of that entire season, of Carrie ascending where Saul had fallen.Ā āThe student becomes the masterā (or the Drone Queen, rather) and all that jazz. Her journey to save her soul coincided with her journey to save him. Is that coincidental? Saul stopped being Carrieās moral compass around the time he lied to her and had her committed. But just as Carrie is finding her way amid the chaos and fog of war, Saul is making backdoor deals with Dar fucking Adal to turn a blind eye to Haqqaniās reign of terror so that he could go and be the CIA director again.Ā
Saul preached idealism and goodness and morality in an increasingly terrorized, dangerous, chaotic world. He raised her in that image. She strayed, but was finding her way back to it. In those final moments of season four, that betrayal is complete. She detaches from him.Ā And their relationship is forever altered.Ā
#5:Ā āThereās a line between us that you drew. Forget that. Thereās a fucking wall.ā Oh, season five. This is getting really long so Iāll try to be succinct: Carrie and Saulās relationship in season five is about her being in mortal danger and him being likeĀ ālol good luckā¦.. NOT.ā Ok, itās only like that for an episode.Ā
How do they come back from the damage done at the end of season four? I think the answer is that they didnāt. Theyāre not healed from it. Parts of Carrie donāt trust Saul, and parts of Saul donāt trust Carrie. There are the surface elements of course: Carrie went and found a cool life in Berlin, riding bikes and wearing balloon hats and such, working for a man whose ideals often stood in direct counter to the CIAās. In effect, she basically went and did the opposite of everything Saul had ever done. That this all comes in a time of real upheaval in Saulās personal life (Mira divorced him, heās literally fucking a Russian mole) only makes his ego more volatile.Ā
And then we have The Landstuhl Conundrum. Iām calling it this because it doesnāt yet have a name but Iām referring to the moment when the doctors say that they canāt wake Quinn from a coma, because if they do he will probably die or have irreversible brain damage. But Carrie and Saul believe he has valuable information about a terror cell that heād eagerly share after coming out of said coma. Honestly!!! This show is extremely ridiculous sometimes.Ā
Anyway Saul is likeĀ āwhat would you want me to do if it were you lying there,ā implying DUH sheād have him wake her. She says she canāt speak for Quinn. Well apparently she can, because she wakes him. Cue the irreversible brain damage, the almost-death.Ā
Later Saul comes to see her and Quinn at the hospital and asks how he is.Ā āNot great,ā she replies tersely. He tells her he didnāt come here to fight with her.Ā
Resentment City: Population of 1. Iāve actually beat this drum for a few years, but I still think that Carrie harbors resentment toward Saul for coercing her into waking Quinn. First Brody, then Quinn. This isnāt meant to absolve Carrie of blame. She convinced Brody to go to Tehran because she believed in that mission. She woke Quinn because she believed in that mission. But I do think that Saul gave her a nudge and Iām not 100% convinced that without his influence sheād have made the same choices. When we talk about Saul teaching Carrie, about him mentoring herā¦ and then we talk about Carrie having no regard for human life, of choosing mission over man, time after timeā¦ how much of that is her nature and how much is him nurturing her toward that outcome?Ā
#6:Ā āMaybe I donāt like the idea of you worrying about me.ā Season six is spectacularly dull on many fronts, and the Carrie/Saul relationship is not the centerpiece. The evolution of their relationship after Berlin has taken the shape of something like season three. Saul needs Carrieās help, sheās in no position to give it, he coaxes her with some terrifying outcome If She Wonāt, then she agrees, and things still Turn Out Shitty For Her.Ā
Ultimately I think this season highlights that whatever difficulties they now have working with each other, whatever trust issues they both still harbor, at the end of the day it is ALWAYS Carrie and Saul Versus the World. Thatās always what this story has been (though this is extremely different from their relationship being the same as itās always been), and itās what the show comes back to after Quinnās death.Ā
He still cares about her. She tells him not to, heās not her fucking father. This is one of the great complexities of their relationship: Saul often does coddle her the way a father would a daughter, but heās a firm believer in tough love and all the forms that can take.Ā
Again, I donāt think that Saul wants Carrie to be miserable. I also donāt think he wants her to happy. Her personal fulfillment and well-being is just entirely secondary to her role in his own mission of Whatever The Fuck. I mean I guess his mission is for the world to be more peaceful and better but likeā¦ yāknow how Thanos thinks that killing half the universeās population will help with the suffering caused by overpopulation? Iām not saying Saul is Thanos. But theyāre both deranged males! (Also, if yāall donāt think Saul would Gamora Carrie right up outta this dimension if it meant fulfilling his lifeās mission then please let me sell you this Homeland lamp!) (But honestly, Iām not saying Saul is as bad as Thanos.) (Do not send in asks about this.)
#7:Ā āYouāve given me a hard time these last few years.ā Season seven takes the post-Berlin foundation that season six built and adds some new interesting layers that are like a weird inversion/combo of seasons four and five. Carrieās more on the outside than sheās ever been and now Saulās the one whoās gone to work for the enemy.Ā
Still, no matter whatever shit has gone down between them, itās still Carrie and Saul Versus the World. The show highlights some key ideas in the last three episodes. First, it fully acknowledges that whenever Saul comes calling, Carrie will always answer. Remember how he said this was his Achillesā heel? Remember how in that same episode Carrie said she was going to be alone her whole life? Remember how Saul raised Carrie in his image? These callbacks are not evidence of stagnation of their relationship; theyāre references to its elemental core.Ā
Second, the show finally has Carrie acknowledge theā¦ umā¦ storm of shit Saul has put her through while also fully copping to the extreme codependence of their entire relationship:
Iāve not come all this way in that fucking plane and in my life to fail in that mission when I know I can succeed. Youāve given me a hard time the past few years. Iām in, Iām out, Iām all over the place. I am not all over the place now. Iām here and Iām all in, and I need you to say yes.Ā
She pledges her devotion to the mission (above all else). She acknowledges Saulās hot-and-cold nature with her. And then she says SHE STILL NEEDS HIS APPROVAL becauseāsay it with meāthey are in an extremely! toxic! relationship!
In a nutshell, the evolution of the discord in Carrie and Saulās relationship started with him putting her life at risk in service of the mission. And now weāre at a point where she fully fucking volunteers for the task! In my heart of hearts I think a non-zero part of Carrie is doing it so he will love her more. Did I mention they are in a codependent relationship?Ā
So where do we go from here?
If you are still reading, congratulations! Thatāll teach you to ask me a question about Carrie and Saul! Actually, about five questions were asked. The lastāwhat will happen in season eight that will feel at all like a catharsisāis not one that Iāve actually thought that much about.Ā
I think Iāve made a case for Carrie and Saulās relationship being the soul of this showāits mangled, twisted soul. The truth is their relationship is toxic. They are both their best and worst selves with each other. Like family, they know what buttons to push, and where to strike to make it hurt the most.Ā
What catharsis looks like in this relationship depends a lot on how you see this relationship. For example, it would be cathartic for me for Saul to die, but that will almost certainly not happen. It would be cathartic for Carrie to strike out on her ownāfinallyāand attempt some type of fulfillment. Also very unlikely.Ā
If I had to guess about what the end of this story will look like for them, itās probably with Carrie dead. Probably on a mission Saul convinced her to believe in.Ā
Saulās been alone his entire life. He will never be less alone because Carrie is alive. I guess thatās the prison he has to live in. And then maybe sheāll finally be free of hers.Ā
EPILOGUE:
The above is a reading of their relationship that is quite sympathetic to Carrie, obviously, and quite unsympathetic to Saul, also obviously. You will probably disagree. Gail has written very interesting stuff on how the dynamic of the Carrie/Saul relationship is most like handler/asset. I think that is a very astute perspective and there are definitely aspects of it but I think the relationship more resembles the trope of found family: she is the daughter he never had and he is the stable father she never had, and they will both ruin each other. Fin!Ā
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