#i guess the point is that it's not about spn
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the bucklemming era is crazy because sam will have like maybe 3 lines in an episode and jared is still there putting his whole pussy into every one. the soft voice and the flinches and overprotectiveness of the side characters he sees as previous versions of himself. how does sam have such a rich inner life because the showrunners definitely didn't do that. jared padalecki was able to build this in a cave with a box of scraps
#i'm a little intoxicated but my point stands#jared padalecki#sam winchester#spn meta#I guess this is me still thinking about that poll from last week idk#my.posts
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FAMINE: That's one deep, dark nothing you've got there, Dean.
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dean and his father. dean and his family. dean and how bad it is.
(via @closetoyou1970)
#spn#vid#mind the warnings on this one for real#woe! fruit of my rewatch be upon ye.#pallas calls this my 'deangirl coming out vid' which honestly. true. but those who paid attention know i've always been a deangirl.#also. after this no more deanwinchester rilo kiley amvs I Pwomise#anyway. i'm not gonna give a full commentary here but a big reason why i chose this song is that the narrator#is essentially dismissing her own problems and instead watching the problems of someone else#and i kind of wanted to play with that theme. this is the parallels show so let's do some parallels. lots of things happen to characters#that are Like Dean somehow. either in personality or circumstance. that we know or can infer happen to him. but we don't see it bc it's#not sayable. not speakable. so like for an easy one. we see meg being tortured in caged heat. she also talks about apprenticing under#alastair just like dean. so i show her being tortured [in a way that is sexualized and demon-specific] and reacting how she does#because i invite the audience to imagine or interpret that this has also happened to dean at some point. we just don't see it#so there are many dean parallels in this video. some obvious. some subtle but textual. some products of my twisted mind. but that's the way#i am using them to make my argument.#oh also: dean voice sam's eyes going black is JUST like when he used to fight with dad and wouldn't listen to me when i told him not to.#i guess also the point is that because it's unsayable. dean can't say it. dean can't even acknowledge it. and so it bleeds through#into everything in his life#that's why it's important that the song narrator doesn't take her own problems seriously. dean doesn't either.
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Not liking Cas because he let Sam out of the panic room in s4 and no one ever found out sure is... a choice. For a few of reasons.
a) Cas was under direct orders from Heaven at the time. He hadn't fully rebelled yet. And it was either carry out orders or be killed. Cas really didn't have a choice. And after he'd rebelled in s5, he didn't let Sam out of the panic room
b) Dean said he'd let Sam die in that panic room. He let Sam's hallucinations torture him. The detox Dean tried to do was cruel and inhumane, and can very easily be read as retaliation for Sam "choosing" Ruby over Dean (note: this does not mean it is the ONLY reading. And regardless of if you subscribe to the retaliation reading, the conditions Dean put Sam in were still cruel and inhumane). Hating Cas for letting Sam out of abusive, cruel, and inhumane conditions, but not hating Dean for doing that to Sam in the first place. Hm. Interesting.
c) This is a Doyalist reason rather than a Watsonian one, but it's still worth bringing up imo. From a writing perspective, I'm not sure who else was going to let Sam out. Demons can't open the door, so Ruby or even Lilith aren't options. iirc Dean and Bobby are the only humans that know Sam is in there, and they're not going to let him out because they've convinced themselves this is the right thing to do. Uriel's dead, and Anna's off doing her own thing. There literally was not another character who could have let Sam out. And the writers had to let Sam out to let the plot move forward. Like, if anyone can think of another character that was available, let me know. But just from a writing stand point, I literally cannot think of who else would have been able to let Sam out.
d) Blood freak Sam is extremely hot, so really, we should be thanking Cas for letting him be a feral little guy.
If people want to be mad at Cas, I can't stop them. But hating him for letting Sam out of the panic room in s4 is, imo, one of the dumbest and most inconsistent reasons. Dean was literally torturing Sam to death, but sure, yeah, let's be mad at the guy who was being forced under penalty of death to let Sam out. Like what kind of logic??
#SPN#Supernatural#Sam Winchester#Castiel#Dean Winchester#discourse#meta#SPN discourse#SPN meta#is there a word for meta combined with discourse?#let me know in the comments I guess lol#SPN s4#man I hope no one thinks d is a serious analysis#at least be consistent with your moral outrage damn#btw this is NOT an anti-Dean post#literally I'm just pointing out things he did in canon#what Dean did was fucked#yes I still love him anyway what about it?#OP
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so many people can’t conceptualise emotional neglect as anything other than ‘my parents were cold and distant and never talked about feelings with me’, and this, while being just a general awful problem of course, is also what leads to so much john winchester mischaracterisation. in this essay i will
#like. it can also be#a parent who you’re close to who is actually extremely emotional and explosive and reactive#and via forcing you to look after their emotional needs and spilling their problems all over you also teaches you that your feelings qrs re#unimportant and that you’re unimportant. even if they dont necessarily mean to or they dont with their words!#anyway i’m sure john winchester was a mix of the two#but my point is like. God this applies to so much actually#there’s this incredibly pervasive idea that damaging parenting has to be like. i dunno. distant somehow#your parents don’t love you. you’re not close to your parents#and obviously that IS damaging but it’s not the only way a parental relationship can be damaging… far from it#and a lot of what makes john so interesting to me is he DOES love the boys. of course he does#and he isn’t some hyper repressed incredibly macho figure either like some people characterise him#he’s warm with the boys when we see him in s1. sure he turns all his emotions into anger but it’s always very clear he Has deep emotions.#everything he does is powered by ‘love’#(theoretically).#like. hes obviously close with dean. he even has strong ideals about parenting when he starts off (see 70s era john disgusted at how future#john actually raised them lol).#and he’s still extremely abusive and neglectful and damages sam and dean soooo much. like. all that can coexist#and it’s such a disservice to flatten his character and pretend it doesn’t#plus it just offends me. like come on.#idk i guess a lot of people like to project their own bad experiences onto john and it’s not like i’m saying they shouldn’t do that#but. characterisation wise#he’s awful in a very specific way#spn#john winchester#oliver talks
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It's late thinking hours and im very sleepy but hear me out, occasional possession as a love language
#crowley spn#spn#I don't think i saw it in fics? THEN AGAIN DIDNT READ MANY OF THOSE IT PROBABLY ALREADY EXISTS#but like... what's more intimate than BECOMING the person you love... literally#+ the amount of trust you must have to let someone else in. having access to a lot of sensitive informations#I'M mostly talking about demons here (aeurgshgsag Crowley) but i guess it also works for angels!#I'm talking. very casual type of possession like ya hey i want to be you and go to the supermarket idk#becoming one with someone you love... like fusions in steven universe (yes) core. DO U SEE MY POINT#its so late. ciambee rambling hours#spn angels#spn demons#not talking abt forced possession btw. like very consensual agreement because yeehaw
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there's nothing like seeing an overwhelmingly bad faith reading of a text to reignite the brainworms you had for it
#i haven't had this many genuine thoughts and feelings about spn in a hot minute but lol here we go again i guess#ty random tumblr user for being so unnecessarily nasty about sam. it seems that you have woken me up#might fuck around and dust off the Big Fics i'd been planning on writing at some point#el talks
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hey girlie it’s me, sam winchesters gay lover, your mootie 🥰🥰🥰 i just wanted to let you know, that your tags on the post about that wincest video are based and i agree with every word, hashtag slay couldn’t agree more i loved reading your essay in those tags heart ❤️
omg thank you!!! i'm basically only capable of talking in essays whether people want me to or not, unfortunately
i just have a lot of feelings on this topic and the whole "canon or not canon" argument is weird to me; the themes are pretty darn clear in supernatural (it is NOT known for its subtlety) so idk man. they don't have to kiss to be canon. and they don't have to have a romantic relationship to be canon either. how many times do they get into relationships with other people only for it to be treated as cheating/betrayal/abandonment, only for them have to give up that relationship in order to reaffirm their devotion to their brother
that's just what the text says. i'm not under any kind of delusion that they have some secret sexual or romantic relationship, but that doesn't change that sam and dean are each other's most important person regardless of that. which is really awesome imo, that romance isn't treated as more important than whatever horrible thing they have with each other, and that they don't have to consummate their relationship with romance/sex in order for it to be the most important one they have
(and of course there's romantic/sexual subtext, like parallels and metaphors and misunderstandings and jokes, but to me that just provides a solid foundation for presenting this relationship between them as the most important even though it's not romantic or sexual—because this language of romance is the only one we know, really, when it comes to writing important relationships between characters. it's the only one we know in our own personal lives, to a large extent. so you use the romance/sexuality to symbolize the actual bond they have. which is so much worse lmao)
anyway i think spn is fairly unique in this way because of how no other relationships can really ever stand parallel to the one they share; even in other shows that center male friendship, romance is allowed to coexist with brotherhood. for sam and dean, it's not, and that becomes a point of tension and conflict and resolution many, many times over the course of the show. so like yeah!!! just because it's not romantic or sexual doesn't mean it's not canon, in the sense that their relationship is the point of the show, and it is the most important relationship they have. they chose each other above all else, every single time. yknow, it's "the epic love story of sam and dean" and all that
#ask#sorry. i did not intend to write another essay about this#but as i said i am only capable of talking in essays. my apologies#to be honest the only reason i have so much to say about this is because i have seen some truly baffling takes about what sam and dean are#and every time i see one i have to sit here and think about it. like how did you arrive at that conclusion. what are you watching#mostly in terms of like. people saying sam and dean are not weird and codependent and enmeshed with each other#that's just blatantly not true because again. this show is about sam and dean and their relationship. textually subtextually metatextually#the concept of even having to defend their relationship as canon is as confusing to me as having to defend umm rubysam is canon#or something#like it happened. they were together in canon. we saw them have sex. you can't say rubysam isn't canon because it's right there#same thing with sam and dean. the difference is the nature of their relationship and the fact that i guess people don't want to like#think of it as canon when it's not romantic????#it's such a no-brainer kind of thing. like the fact that i'm sitting here trying to explain myself is embarrassing me bc it's like#no shit sherlock#but again the only reason i am thinking about this so much is because i keep seeing people trying to deny or downplay their relationship#in the first place#which is BIZARRE to me#like idk i don't see people trying to deny that ummmm fuck. killua and gon hxh aren't canon friends#that they don't even like each other#wow i'm seriously rambling. apparently i have more to say about this topic than i originally conceived#idk man i get people are uncomfortable with incest but the point is that it's like. not. their canon-ness is not related to incest#they're just insane about each other and they are each other's most important person. they are more important than romantic pursuits#the uniqueness is that it trumps all other relationships and cannot coexist with any others. that's what's so canon about it#it's not just friendship. it's not just brothers. it's not just husbands. it's everything and nothing and so much more all at once#shrugs. sorry for rambling AGAIN#i hope i'm making sense here#supernatural#wincest#spn posting
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How does one get assigned as sam coded / dean coded ? Do I need a doctors note ? A psych evaluation perhaps ?
#i keep going back and forth on it#bc i used to identify with dean for the longest time bc i was so repressed and emotionally closed off (+older sister)#and at that point id spent my youth very purposefully protecting my younger sibling from our dad#and i guess in my brain i paralleled that with dean staying behind with john while sam took off for stanford#and dean protecting sam from knowing too much abt the supernatural#BUT having grown up ive now become the one resentful and angry at our father while my sister protects him#and our fights remind me a lot of scenes from the show where im obviously identifying a lot stronger with sam#plus the whole thing abt being the families designated academic or whatever#while also feeling cursed from the minute i was born and crushing at the guilt of everything wrong with me#and trying to be a good person and saving others to make for the fact that i feel an intrinsic evilness about myself#so like... yeah sam is very very relatable too in that sense#bc he also has that hope in him- the belief in god. in angels. in goodness. and i have that too !#im just also a miserable cynic at the same time :)#so ????#i havent been in the fandom for long enough to know the full requirements of being a sam or dean girl#(and by that i mean i havent been in the fandom for long AFTER i rejoined from my 10 year hiatus)#i literally would love to read someones page long explanation of what sam coded vs dean coded entails#someone with a spn hyperfixation or special interest needs to provide me with the goods fr 😭#spn
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i haven't been on here and idk if it's because my interest in spn has waned or my interest waned because I haven't been on here. anyhow i'm not particularly looking forward to the con and honestly would have sold my tickets if I hadn't booked plane/hotel in advance
#the more time passes the more pumped I get about hozier#and less pumped about purcon lmao#i mean i'd love to see misha in a chill setting and talk to him about anything but spn honestly#guess ive reached a point#let's see if i can revive the obsession w some fanfic
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I just saw this post talking about Metatron saying Cas is in love with humanity (Dean) and explaining how this is true because Cas loved being human, despite what he has been through he enjoyed having human feelings and I must say that I agree.
Cas wanted to stay human. And I will die on this hill. Maybe I'll die alone there, but this is what I believe.
#and dean knew about this#remember when cas is an angel again and tells dean#dean's reaction says it all#he says “And you're okay with that?”#cas doesn't say yes#he says this is war and that he has no other choice#dean pauses and says cas#but cas cuts him and moves on from this subject#my point is dean knows cas wanted to stay human#did he guess it?#did they talk about it?#maybe I mean last time they saw each other just the two of them it was that famous fanfic gap#whether they talked about it or not dean still thinks cas wouldn't be so thrilled about being an angel again#and he is right#I'm so frustrated#because cas wanted to stay human#dean wanted this too I'm sure#WE wanted this#I love human!cas#wish we had more#spn 9x09#Holy Terror#destiel#deancas#dean winchester#castiel#my random thoughts about destiel
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And the other thing is...it's wild to me when people post script or episode screencaps of a character saying a thing to prove something when there is also canonical dialogue of them saying the opposite thing. Especially for a show where every character is epically repressed and a known liar.
#canonically dean did see sam as a freak..it makes no sense to try to prove otherwise with like season 1 dialogue#when dean is still lying to himself about how he feels about sams powers at that point#we literally see the evolution of how he treats any aberrant behavior from sam#and he finally graduates to just calling sam cuckoo bananas in season 7#buut you know he also said if you're a freak im also a freak once so i guess anything after that doesnt count#spn#sam winchester#dean winchester#🌸
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this is too much. just. too much for me to handle
#i can't even articulate my thoughts#just... he wanted a fucking family. always#and yes we can talk about lisa being idolized by him and whatever#but i guess that's not the point here#he just wants a family :(((#ally rewatches spn
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every day I remember that this fandom simply does not care about autistic people and, much like every other fucking thing I experience as an autistic person, the concept of it being a collective found family becomes increasingly alien to me. love this place.
#we really just can’t win I fucking hate it here#like this is my special interest. this is my community. I’ve met so many people through it that ended up becoming lifelong friends#I’ve been here for almost ten years and it’s meant everything to me for ten years. it’s kept me going through so much shit.#it’s more than just a show and more than just a fandom and it’s one of the best things I’ve ever been apart of#and like I didn’t realize I was autistic until like late 2021. I didn’t even realize SPN was my special interest until then either#I didn’t realize JACK was my special interest. but knowing that he is autistic means so much to me#and its meant so much to other autistic ppl in the fandom. somebody at MomentoCon even mentioned it to Alex last weekend for fucks sake .#it’s real and it’s special and it’s important to us but#but no we can’t have that. make him a fucking baby. toss every interesting thing about his character into a fucking volcano#and relegate him to being a fucking prop for everybody else.#I don’t know how else to tell you this but you are literally infantilizing an autistic person. you are being ableist. intentionally or not.#and the way you all seem to just. idk. double down on your own ableism? or excuse it?#or literally ignore autistic ppl who try to point out how ableist and weird your behavior towards an autistic character is?#it’s a lot of things. it’s so many terrible things and terrible feelings. but above all it’s disheartening.#it hurts to know that even in this space where everyone is family and everyone belongs. I’m still on the outside looking in.#I’m still not /really/ a part of everything else. it’s a horrible feeling and I don’t wish anyone to ever go through with it#but maybe you fucking should. maybe then you’d realize what you’re doing. or maybe you won’t. maybe I’m screaming into the void again.#which I literally always am w this topic anyways. nothing but screaming into a vast empty void that’s supposed to be my big special family#but whatever I guess.#spn#supernatural#spn fandom#spn family#spn famdom#jack kline#autistic jack kline#tfw2.0#destiel#sam and dean#castiel
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Jack resurrecting archangels? Post canon.
First is Michael, partly for the sake of getting a newly resurrected Adam to stop threatening to tear the universe apart to get him back and partly because he was the last killed and easiest to bring back, and in his wake, Raphael soon follows, on his request, and they reunite in what looks like silence to human eyes, foreheads pressed together and eyes shut, but, under the watching gaze of Jack and Amara and Death Itself, is a symphony of love.
Death and Amara are there to supervise the work of the new God-Child, to guide Her nephew and Its new colleague in His power, and together, They bring Gabriel back as well, though he doesn't stay long after that for more than a thank you.
Jack struggles to bring back Lucifer, against His own fear and anger, against the choking hold Chuck once gripped his favorite son with, against the simple and devastatingly complex sequence He must complete to revive Lucifer, until he's standing before Them, pulled from the Empty, and given a chance to be something new without his father's interference.
#amara is here again because. i love her#also death. it is also here.#i think that could be an interesting triad of power you know?#god. the darkness. and death.#creation and destruction and what ferries souls in between#plus three is always a powerful number in mythology. hell even in christianity you got father-son-holy ghost#so like what im saying is. there's three of them now.#(im saying death is adamcoded alsdajdlsjakldj)#oh also i guess the archangels got revived in this fic that was the point.#not me and my headcanons about the fundamental nature of the spn universe#lmao#spn#supernatural#ask#jack kline
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WHAT
#I just FINISHED supernatural and have about FOURHUNDREDMILLION FEELINGS#WHAT#WHAT WAS THAT IM#I#WHAAT#I thought it ended at like 5 different points and cried SO MUCH????? I didn’t expect to still care so dang much but I guess they still#own a piece of me oh god#spn spoilers#from now maybe idk but I don’t want to spoil anyone and idk if anyone will read the tags but JUST IN CASE#‘Cas helped’ well see that means Cas is in heaven too and that makes this so much easier I was so scared#for a second I thought Dean is in heaven Cas is in the empty and Sam is on Earth but no#now they’re all in heaven and you betcha Cas is hanging out with Dean now aww now it is kinda cute#I got some spoilers (because ofc I did I went on tumblr again without finishing the show I was basically asking for it) but#all I knew going into s15 was ‘Destiel goes canon Cas goes to the empty and Dean dies’ so just thought naturally#that’s exactly how supernatural has always been but I also wasn’t sure if that actually would happen???#and I’ve seen that I love you news meme so gosh darn many times that I didn’t know what to expect but THAT WAS HEART WRENCHING#Finally someone told Dean what he deserves to hear but why not let him keep Cas ugh this is so sad#Feels a bit odd that Sam got a son and named him Dean though like that sounds like it would be more painful than anything but oh well#oh and Jack!! aww I’m so happy about him#I just hope they’re all happy in heaven and I wish I knew more about more characters but tbh#I just want to know that Cas is happy#I was so angry halfway through this episode thinking they murdered Dean and left SAM alive like what#Sam is left on Earth to do his thing and Dean just gets offed????? luckily it ended a lot better than that#my god I need to process this for a long time#oh and now I also want to rewatch the whole show but let’s be real it is 15 seasons I have NO time for that#Anyway I’ll go back to playing Zelda now#I have too many feelings about Spn#it’s time to have feelings about something else and though I have blocked zelda and totk EVERYWHERE to avoid spoilers I am so emotional#but I have lots of feelings about Zelda too oh my god how can I fit so many feelings at once I’m-#help I didn’t know there was a tag limit wth
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Hauntings And Harpists: Prologue
When Kevin died, he didn't become nothingness like how he expected to. He also didn't find himself in what anyone would call heaven or hell. It felt as if at the moment of death his atoms were scattered in an array, then eventually reformed.
The first thing he remembered as a ghost was the bonfire. The funeral pyre.
His funeral pyre.
It was just past dusk and the flames were reaching into the sky as if to grasp the stars and bring them down to earth. Or to guide him up to fly through the heavens, to follow more closely with the speech.
It was a shame he missed the speech for his own funeral. It was quite the eloquent monologue. He had given it once, a long time ago, for a dear friend who fell far to young.
The crowd eventually dispersed, and Kevin tried halfheartedly to get someone's, anyone's attention. He didn't expect results, but he still tried, waving a hand in front of their faces or shouting the best he could around his missing tongue.
It didn't matter that he couldn't make actual words, because no one could hear him anyway. They would just pass through him with a chill. He found very quickly that the only things he could interact with were his clothes and the staff in his hand.
The things he was burned with.
He was in full uniform, flight harness and all, though lacking the actual gear that made flight possible, though that was standard procedure, even if he hadn't given it up to the next young cadet when he could no longer use it anyway.
He was surprised to find his twin knives sheathed into the harness where he always kept them. He thought for sure the practicality of keeping them intact would have out weighed the sentimentality of letting them warp or the emeralds on the handles crack in the flames.
He held one and studied it for a moment. After everything that had happened in his life, he would not have been surprised if they didn't give him a proper funeral. At least, not one that honored him as one of them. But they did. He didn't see the whole affair but he saw what seemed to be every one of his former comrades in attendance. He saw the bucket which would have held the hot coals the arrow would have been lit from and placed on his chest to spread the fire along the oiled harness across his body, consuming him as a proud fallen soldier of Paradis.
He saw as one of the new generation of bards slung their guitar across their back and walked away with the rest. He wished he knew what song they played as the flames roared up.
The copper green flames, which was a nice touch. It was a joke he said once a long time ago, he was surprised anyone remembered.
He watched the flames die down properly, and soon there were only a few living souls in sight. Julian, at the front, with Quinn and Rynn at his sides. He wondered what Quinn, specifically, would do now. Now that he didn't have a parolee to keep an eye on. Perhaps his secondary assignment as ambassador would be formally named his primary one?
Kevin didn't know what would happen to him next, if this state as a ghost was temporary or his eternal curse. But he figured he could sheath his knife, take up his walking stick, and stand by the dwindling fire with his three closest living friends.
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#'Write three sentences on your current wip' prompt#I've been jumping about and don't have a chapter actively working on#At least not on my phone right now#So you get the start of my Kevin In The SPN Universe fic#Well I guess this is the start of all and any fanfics that use him as an oc as a ghost#But I have a few fun spn scenarios I want to play with using him so here's the groundwork#Specifically one prompted by the song Red Right Returning by The Jolly Rodgers#If you've heard it you know what I'm talking about#Most sea songs would spawn a vengeful spirit tbh#Hauntings and Harpists#(<- what I'm calling anything from this point of Kevin's story onward I guess)#Does this count enough as whump to tag it as such#Whump story#Bite me
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