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i don’t see the news anywhere on here so i’m posting about it. anyways dorothy’s seiyuu, azuki shibuya is graduating from iris on march 31, linked is a translation of her graduation letter. this is a sad bit of news, but i wish her all the best in her future.
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You’ll always be the answer
Pairing: Charlie Gillespie x Fem Reader
Requested: YES💚
Summary: For the first time Charlie and Y/N have to do an interview together and things get pretty interesting and chaotic as always with the couple.
*In the wired autocomplete section the part of the question that was covered will be in bold*
Pretty much based in the we say we’re friends world, (yes, again😤 I love their dynamic I’m sorry) you only need to know that Y/N is a musician by profession, wrote the JATP soundtrack, a childhood friend of Charlie and now his current girlfriend.
The couple is completely excited because today they have their first interviews after the confirmation of the second season of Julie and The Phantoms, and usually they are not on the same interview team so this is new. Charlie always does them with the band and the singer usually does them with director Kenny Ortega representing the people behind the scenes.
“Hello everyone, I’m Charlie Gillespie and I play Luke in Julie And The Phantoms.”
“And I’m Y/N Y/L and I play Daniela in Stardust.”
“Baby, you are here today as the songwriter of the album.”
“I know?” She thinks for a few seconds until she realizes what she said. “Oh. Well, this is embarrasing. Make my selfpromo accident worthwhile and watch Stardust after watching JATP!”
“Nice safe, beautiful. Pretty natural.” Her boyfriend teases as she smiles proudly.
“I like to believe I could be an actress.” Charlie begins to laugh at the seriousness with which she answered and looks at her, full of happiness. He loves that they can enjoy moments like this where their careers can go exactly on the same track.
They know that it will not always be this way so they should make the most of the experience.
“I’m excited to have you back, Y/N. And a pleasure to meet you Charlie. You both sure are full of amazing energy, I love it. Let’s start with the questions. Charlie, this is your first leading and in a fairly complete role, you acted, sang, danced and even wrote one of the songs, how was the experience?”
“Pure magic. They are all incredibly talented and so supportive of us, they worked so hard to unleash our full potential in an accelerated manner. They had a lot of patience with me in the dance part, they taught me to use my voice properly, they supported me in the change to electric guitar, it was simply a dream to work with every single person in the project.”
“Sounds amazing. Next question is for you, Y/N. Much has been said about the unreal chemistry between Julie and Luke. How was it for you as his girlfriend to have to witness it live? As I understand you were present throughout the recording."
"Oh man, it was awesome!" Charlie laughs at her pure response and the interviewer looks at her in disbelief.
"I'm Team Juke all the way. I know I may sound like a liar or something since I'm the girlfriend, but here's the thing.
I can't see my Char in Luke. Charlie is so good at bringing him to life that I can't believe that cool rockstar is my adorable goofball. It’s like Clark and Superman with the glasses thing. Beanie and electric guitar? Oh, hi Luke. You are so hot, wait... don’t tell Charlie I said that! Bandana and acoustic guitar? Hey baby, give me a kiss in the forehead and sing me to sleep.
What I was saying again? Oh, yeah. So... I see Juke and I’m soft, they are perfect for each other.”
“So you think Luke is hot, huh.” he pretends to be jealous and folds his arms.
“What can I say, I have a thing for rockstars, my legs melted during now or never."
He snorted a laugh. “Good to know.”
The interviewer cannot contain a laugh of her own.
"It's always a pleasure to have you here, Y/N. You are such a character and I always enjoy listening to you, and I love that even though the years go by and you are no longer so new in the industry you continue to have that fresh and iconic personality."
“Thank you so much Maria, If I can be myself here it is thanks to the beautiful atmosphere that your interviews always have.”
“My pleasure, ‘golden star’. Let’s continue. Y/N, We know you already knew Charlie, but who did you get along with better from the rest of the cast?”
“Oh my, definitely Owen. He was Charlie's roommate throughout the project so we hang out together a lot in our free time taking turns as third wheel. I'm pretty sure he's going to apply the same card to me this second season now that I'm gonna be the roommate.
But it’s okay, I totally deserve it. May the best third wheel win, Joyner!” Charlie grins and does a fistbump with his girlfriend who looks really hyped about going back to Canada with the band.
“I’m rooting for you, girl! Let’s go back to Charlie a little bit. The album that Y/N wrote is a resounding success and a very important piece for the series to be as brilliant as they are. I imagine that the four of you have a special affection for the album, but how do you feel that your girlfriend was the one who wrote a soundtrack of that level for such a special project in your career?”
Charlie looks so proud. He looks at her in a way that makes the young woman blush.
“I’m just so blessed that the things happened they way they did. She’s the love of my life, you know? I couldn't be more proud to sing her songs. She has always been insanely talented and nothing gives me more happiness that knowing she gets to do what she loves and is able to share it with the world.”
The singer's eyes water and she puts her head on the actor's shoulder, who kisses her hair sweetly.
“You two are so pure and so cute to watch, I have a new favorite celebrity couple.”
They continue the interview for a few more minutes and then they have to move on to the second section, in which they are handed some boards with the most searched questions on the internet regarding them.
“Okay guys, introduce yourselves again. I’m not going to be in the segment this time so you’ll have to help each other.”
Both agree without confessing that they have seen videos of this segment until 5 in the morning when they have nothing to do the next day and have sleepovers.
“Hi, we are Charlie Gillespie and Y/N Y/L and will be doing the wired-autocomplete interview today!”
“Okay handsome, let’s start with yours.” Charlie smiles and takes the sign in his hands, while his girlfriend removes the first tape and reveals the first question.
“Does Charlie Gillespie have a girlfriend?” Charlie smiles proudly and kisses his girls nose.
“I do, and she’s so adorable.” He touches gently her cheek and she closes her eyes at his touch.
He gives her a light kiss in the forehead and then uncovers the next question.
“What is Charlie Gillespie like in real life.”
“I’ll answer this one, Char’s a total goofball. He is cheerful, funny, always full of energy, talented, caring, and really, really hot. All done, next question!”
He laughs while blushing and reveals the next one. “Is Charlie Gillespie married?”
“Well I tried but someone ate the ring.”
“I would do it again, it was really good. Answering the question, he is not yet, but he is taking too long, maybe one of these days I will declare myself.”
He opens his eyes wide, he knows very well that his girlfriend is capable of doing it, and honestly he wants to be who does it, so he makes a mental note to prepare everything soon. Thank god he is working on the rings already.
“It’s Y/N still dating...”
“If the question says Ross Lynch I’m goin’ to lose it. No shade though, man.”
She laughs, after the James Larkin show, a lot of people showed anger as they felt that she was a much better match with the blonde, and Charlie couldn't help but feel a bit offended.
“...Charlie Gillespie! Yes, baby!” Both high five, Charlie looks almost relieved, is adorable.
“The answer is always yes folks, get use to it.”
“Who is Y/N’s best friend?”
“Well, this one is easy.” She turns to see Charlie and gives him a flirtatious little smile. He blushes and reaches out to kiss her, but she answers the question just before their lips touch.
“Ross Lynch.” She leans over and presses her lips against his for a few seconds as Charlie reacts to her response and then gapes in disbelief.
“You did nOT.” He laughs and and wrinkles his nose feigning annoyance.
“Yes I dID. But to be honest, has to be this man right here. Not a lot people know this but we’ve been best friends all our lives, so yeah. You baby, of course.” He blushes and kisses her hand, clearly happy with the answer.
“Is Y/N going to be in Julie And The Phantoms S2?”
“Will you?” He asks, genuinely curious. She never tells him what Kenny secretly confesses her about the project so as not to be unfair to the other members of the band.
“I will, but probably still back the scenes, guys. I'm really enjoying this part and learning from the best of the best so I am very happy not to be in front of the camera for now.”
“And you are doing an amazing work, love.” She grins and kisses his cheek.
“Thank you for watching us being ridiculously corny for 30 minutes, don't forget to watch Julie and the Phantoms Season 2 only on Netflix! I feel sorry for that poor people that will have to see how cheesy we are.”
“We were still recording Y/N, but never mind. The editing team has a lot of work ahead.”
“Well, damn. I’m sorry guys!” Charlie laughs for the thousandth time today. There is nothing better in life than sharing your days with your best friend. He can't wait to formalize that ‘forever’.
Thank you for reading✨
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You read Queen of Shadows, right? Do you think that Farley, Shade C or B, MareCal, or Coriane would do what Lysandra did for Evangeline for a child? I mean almost exactly that scenario, through some imagination or crazy hole in Wyrdgate.
For example, Shade finds a hole into Erilea and gets trapped and ends up living Lysandra’s life and gets a boy as an acolyte. Would he do the same thing as Lysandra, and how would he react to it after all is said and done.
From throneofglass.fandom.com
Inside the apartment, Aelin shows Evangeline her favorite place to sit. She gives her permission to read some of the books in the apartment or eat a blueberry tart from the kitchen, offering her the choice of which to do. Lysandra watches her with motherly affection as Evangeline politely accepts the offer of the tart and vanishes into the kitchen.
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After Lysandra gives Aelin the letter, Aelin orders her to leave. Evangeline reappears; Lysandra tenderly wraps an arm around her. Lysandra exits the apartment, but Evangeline stays and recounts her own story to Aelin. She tells the assassin that when her mother sold her to Madame Clarisse, she cried so heavily that she made herself sick. Clarisse assigned Evangeline to Lysandra, who Evangeline figured must have irritated Clarisse that particular day since Lysandra was weeks away from paying off her debts and freeing herself. Lysandra cleaned her up and told her that she couldn't run away (as Lysandra had tried, failed, and consequently been punished brutally for fleeing) but that there was another way to escape the awful fate of a prostitute. Evangeline accepted the proposition, declaring that she would do anything to evade the suffering of the other girls. Lysandra cut her cheeks and began screaming in feigned fury to convince the others that she had injured Evangeline in a fit of rage. When confronted, Lysandra stated that she had hurt Evangeline out of fear that the girl would be a threat. As a result, Lysandra was beaten violently, though she did not cry. Clarisse then required Lysandra to buy Evangeline at the price she would have been worth as a full courtesan, forcing Lysandra into many more years of prostitution. (Lysandra later reveals that as Evangeline grows, Clarisse increases the debt for Evangeline, claiming that someone so beautiful would be worth much more than she originally told Lysandra.)
SO... uh... funny story nonnie 👁👄👁💧 I have to disclose that I never read past book 2. So I have no idea who Lysandra is or who Evangeline is. I am currently waging a one sided war with SJM (it's me, it's mostly me hating her)... she and I... we do not see eye to eye on many things. And the Throne of Glass series is one of them. I have been begged by numerous friends to finish it with claims that it gets better, but I have negative desire to do that. I put out for it at first because I loved the idea that she pitched the story as which was pretty much: "what if Cinderella went to the ball to kill the prince?" But lol, Alien or Celena or whatever her name was, never did anything remotely like that. It pissed me off too cause I was super excited for an original telling like that, and all I got was the same old stuff. Also, I just dont like her writing, it bothers me. XD My hatred for Throne of Glass is the reason I am writing my own trilogy/series. I pretty much chucked book two across my room and said fuck this I can do this better than her. And proceeded to spend the last 6ish years trying to do just that. So full disclosure, I have negative understanding of this ask but I'll try my best to answer.
I think of all the characters, the one to be the most likely to take someone on like this would probably be Farley. She seems like the kind to find a young Red girl in the streets, take her under her wing and silently assumes the role her older sister never got to finish with her. I'm not quite certain what else to say on the matter. Sorry nonnie, wish I could be of more help.
#(*ask lily*)#(*shut up lily*)#this turned into me ranting about how much I hate Sarah Janet and plugging my own book series XD#sorry about that#red queen
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Continued discussion about Sophie's "redemption arc"
Original post from @agathasarmy
@agathasarmy I've moved this to a new post cause I have a lot of feelings and still want to continue this discussion and I hope you don't mind
So anyways...
(this wouldve been also a great way to introduce the concept of legacies, especially with the past vs. present. vs. future theme and it would also parallel tedros’ storyline as they’re both dealing with the fallout of carrying their predecessor’s glory)
YESSSS
All of them have big shoes to fill because of the people who've nurtured and believed in them
One thing I really hated in the camelot years was the lack of mourning that Agatha and Sophie did for Callis and Lady Lesso respectively.
That is the kind of anguish that I was looking for. Just them being children and missing their parent/parental figure and wishing that they could still be someone's child who could look out for them and motivate them when they needed.
Like Sophie remembering that Lady Lesso believed in her the way that Sophie could never do and Agatha remembering how her mother would have wanted her daughter to live out her life with with love and adventure.
Let's not even get with Tedros (that's a whole other meta in itself)
so far all i got was lesso and hester being the best examples of it, but what i also got from them was that Evil wasnt being cruel but serving as the balance to Good like ok???? what exactly does that entail??
Exactly, I'm really frustrated about this because as much as Soman has tried to make us understand that Good and Evil are equals, he has never actually shown us how equal they can be since all the Evil figures that we have are usually helping Good.
I'm really pissed that the Coven's quest involve them finding a new School Master when they have absolutely no need to do that. They should be doing their own stuff instead. It's the one thing I shame Prof Dovey for.
that was what I expected the series would be: Tedros and Agatha as Good because Good always stands stronger together, and Sophie as Evil because Evil is best alone, but not lonely
I stand behind your point about "Alone but not Lonely" quote because if that does not describe Sophie's biggest problem than I don't know what does. She can have all the fans that she wants and build the whole School for Evil in her tribute and pretend that she's a strong independent woman who doesn't need a man but she'll still feel the loneliness seep through if she doesn't have a closure with her insecurities and envy
instead Soman subverted our expectations in the worst way possible since GoT S8 (dont @ me)
I will stand by you with the hate for GoT s8. That was a trainwreck so badly done it imploded on itself. Recently, writers that have big productions have been having a hard time gracefully ending their stories
EXACTLY I JUST KNOW SOMAN’S GONNA BRUSH IT OFF OR BARELY MENTION IT WHEN THIS KIND OF DIALOGUE IS MORE IMPORTANT TO THE MESSAGE OF THE STORY THAN SOMAN RANDOMLY INSERTING DOVEY AS TEDROS’ GODMOTHER OR REAPER BEING KING FOR PLOT CONVENIENCE
I KNOW HOW YOU FEEL. I WILL NOT STOP BEING SO FREAKING BITTER ABOUT IT.
Soman was off with a good start on that one. I would have been more interested with Sophie trying to handle her narcissistic desires vs her need to actually be a decent Dean to all the new students just like how Lady Lesso was for her. Her understanding how to be Evil and be herself would have been a nice read.
if soman had to bring back a trope from the last era, it would be the discussion of dichotomies i.e. Good vs. Evil, instead of the evil lover trope cos aint nobody got the time for that
YESSS
It's still technically the school for GOOD AND EVIL SERIES even if we go to a new era I was hoping that Soman would still have these as the roots but NOOOO.
His obsession with Sophie obsessing over boys that obsess over her is a strong one apparently.
like at this point it’ just really blatantly obvious how much Soman favors Sophie and I wouldnt be that bothered if he didnt sacrifice the plot or the other characters’ brain cells to go along with it cos to this day I refuse to believe that people really would just accept Rhian like that after reading The Tale of Sophie and Agatha
EXCATLY. I HONESTLY COULD NOT UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE DECISIONS OF THE OTHER CHARACTERS ABOUT THIS.
Like did no one still understand that not everything is what it seems?!
I am baffled with how easy they trusted a comeplete stranger over Agatha who has proven over and over and over again that she fights for the good of EVERYONE and is perfecrly willing to sacrifice her happiness for theirs.
Like at this point I'm thinking that her fairy tale propably does not do justice for everything that she's been through cause if the other people of the Woods read her story the way we did, there would be no doubt that we would stand behind Agatha for a lifetime
like cmon people we went through this already?? a random hot stranger coming out of nowhere??? ITS THE RED FLAG
In defense with them, (and I am saying this very, very off handedly) Rhian did come around saving everyone's asses and was a pretty decent guy (NOT).
WHAT I AM REALLY SURPISED ABOUT IS THAT THEY WANT A PIECE OF HIM AND HOW EASILY THEY TRUSTED HIM WITH EVERYTHING
I THOUGHT THE POINT OF THIS SERIES WAS TO SHOW THAT ROMANCE WASN’T THE ONLY HIGHEST MANIFESTATION OF LOVE, BUT A LOVE BETWEEN FAMILY OR A LOVE FOR ONE’S SELF WAS JUST AS IMPORTANT????
One of my biggest beefs with Soman's writing. He highlights romance too much compared to platonic and self love. I want a moment with Sophie like the one in TLEA where Agatha was getting stressed about letting Sophie and Tedros grow closer and Soman managed to pretty realistically portray that; Agatha was being insecure and possessive and jealous but she let herself reflect on her actions. She made peace with it and faced it with bravery even though it really hurts her. Because she understood that she would never have closure for this if she didn't let it happen.
AGGIE IS THE BEST. I LOVE HER
Why the hell can't Soman write something similar like this for Sophie.
WHY SOMAN PUTTING THIS AMATONORMATIVE BS IN THIS STORY AGAIN LIKE WE ARE TIRED
In fairness, Sophie getting into ANOTHER romantic relationship I will PASS SO HARD.
But for everyone else that deserves some romantic love (TAGATHA PLS) I will accept crawling
also I like your ideas on what could’ve happened instead, with Rhian being more proactive towards Tedros and Agatha instead of Sophie - it would play well into the Camelot myths and themes that I was really expecting in the new era
I KNOW RIGHT?!?!?!
If Soman could only just get over his Sophie Obsession, then he would understand that Tedros was the perfect target for Rhian's manipulations and Sophie was the perfect target for the downfall.
I have no idea how the hell did Rhian think (but apparently it worked because soman plot) that seducing Sophie would win him the love of the Woods.
plus it wouldve been a chance for Sophie to actively help them instead of tearing them apart like in the last 3 books?? like she’s kinda doing that rn but it would’ve been nice if she didn’t have a hand in stealing their happiness like she’s always done too
Well...for me she doesn't seem like she's tearing them apart anymore but I stand with your point about her stealing their happiness.
This could have been good, good character development for her. Her realizing that she keeps making tagatha miserable and stealing what belongs to them and the complexity that comes with her inner struggle between her envy vs love for her best friends.
PLUS CHADDICK DESERVED TO LIVE INSTEAD OF BEING KILLED FOR PLOT CONVENIENCE LITERALLY IT’S THE WORST DEATH IN THE SERIES NOT COS IT’S SAD BUT COS IT DOESNT MAKE SENSE AND MAKES FOR TERRIBLE WRITING IMHO
"NOT COS IT'S SAD BUT BECAUSE IT DOESNT MAKE SENSE"
SCREAM IT A BIT LOUDER SO SOMAN CAN HEAR IT AT THE BACK!!!!
Soman, I will never forgive you for doing this to this boy.
You could have made Tedros and Chaddick have a falling out. I mean the last time that they interacted was during AWWP and Chaddick treated Tedros as crap. I know that all of us headcanon that these two are each other's best mates but they've barely had significant interactions for me to consider that a case.
They'd be so pressured about not followong the legacy of Arthur and Lance that a small problem could propably tear these two apart.
also, on another point, you would think Sophie would be more sympathetic to Tedros situation given that they’re both leading populations, essentially
plus Sophie learned to understand Tedros’ mind better in awwp??? where the hell did that relationship development went (even if she was Filip at the time)??
I am honestly more suprised at how viciously Tedros seems to treat her.
Like it wasn't that long after TLEA that Tedros was perfectly willing to let Sophie stay in Camelot and even asked her to visit but come his coronation (which was like less than a day after) he keeps on proclaiming about how happy he is with her out his life and in aCoT his distrust for her was off the roof.
Then there is the Handbook ordeal with Sophie just completely roasting Tedros like what happend to the two of you?
I don't even understand Soman's decision about this. It doesn't even affect the actual storyline in anyway. It's just Sophie and Tedros at each other's throats.
Tedros has been treated the crappiest out of the main trio (let’s be honest) as if the game was built to oppose him, meanwhile Sophie gets major Soman privilege and is given the role ONCE AGAIN that could change the game
THIS
It's the reason why I can't even read AWWP anymore. It hurts too much to have to read at how badly the other characters treat him. Just reading the first line of that book gets me anxious.
And PREACH THAT SOPHIE HAS MAJOR SOMAN PRIVILEGES.
This is why I was actually suprised that Soman shared that he planned on killing Sophie off at the end of TLEA but we'll never how that story went
like if the School Years was for Sophie to realize and accept her Evilness, couldnt Soman have decided to give Tedros and Agatha the deciding roles this time around given that, you know, it’s called the CAMELOT YEARS ERA???
Honestly, I just want Tedros to have the most agency out of all the characters. Like make his decisions actually matter to the plot. Make him the center of the plot and revolve Rhian's plans around him instead of being against him cause that's exactly how Agatha's role in the school years era was for Rafal.
The basic formula goes like this;
Sophie important to the Rafal's/Rhian's/Japeth's/hell even Evelyn Sader's plan
Agatha/Tedros are in the way of that plan so they have to go
Agatha/Tedros saves Sophie's ass
Sophie making the big decision
Like didn't Soman say that he didn't want to be that repetitive writer? That's why he changed the ending of AWWP because it was too similar to the first book?
WTF SOMAN?
she’s still out here wanting someone to look at her the tedros looks at agatha (honestly big mood right there) but I wish this didn’t have to be her main conflict
This is actually why I'm not that mad that Sophie fell for Rhian. Because at the end of the day Sophie will be Sophie.
But I agree I kinda hoped that she wouldn't be as guilible
the girl is smart and knows her worth so I can’t really understand why she decided to get ENGAGED to the next person (Hort obviously cant count cos plot) who tells her she looks pretty???
NOW THIS. THIS IS MY BEEF WITH SOPHIE.
I can understand why she'd date him but MARRIAGE?! That was going a little bit too far.
You'd think after her engagement with Rafal that she'd be TRAUMATIZE for the next one.
And honestly it would have been hella funny if she did feel this way. Imagine Rhian nearly getting all that he needed but Sophie just straight up leaves him on the stage cause she's still got issues with it.
Would have been my favorite scene
And Hort, poor boy, he needs character development of his own. I'm not his fan honestly and currently, he's not winning me over.
ALSO THE FACT THAT SHE ENDS UP BEING CONSIDERED FOR THE ROLE OF QUEEN OF CAMELOT INFURIATES ME SO MUCH COS WE WENT THROUGH THAT SHIT IN TLEA???? WHY ARE WE BRINGING THIS UP AGAIN????
THIS. THIS IS MY BEEF WITH SOMAN
Can he not understand that she would be crap as QUEEN?
A parallel I noticed with Rhian and Sophie is that they both completely remodeled their respective castles in their image. Not even considering anyone else. And they both treat their faculty as crap.
Kinda tells us that she really would be crap as queen.
At least the Camelot citizens had enough braincells not to fall for this crap
Every other kingdom in the Woods though. They better be budgeting gold to Tedros and Agatha once they're back on the throne.
(and im so so tired of Sophie stealing Agatha’s Ever After from her, indirectly or not, like cant she just be happy for her best friend and move the plot in some way other than this???)
I really do believe envy is only one of the things that Sophie needs to sort out. The fact that she admitted at the end of TLEA that she does, in fact, feel envious that Agatha gets to be a queen and her little episode in the Ever Never Roundtable about how she's the one with the official title of queen and that Agatha isn't even a princess says a lot.
I wouldn't have minded if Sophie had a slight blackout and just lost it and saying mean things about Agatha but instantly regreting it because no matter what, deep down in the foundations of her soul, she loves Agatha with everything that she has. And is she has the be in a constant battle with herself about this fact then she's willing to keep on fighting. That would have been satisfying to read.
I mean just imagine if Sophie was there when Agatha was leading her army and Hester mentions that Agatha is Queen in the School, in Camelot, or anywhere elsse in the Woods. They would follow her. Willingly.
Sophie would have had a panic attack.
This girl needs to learn that she can't force people to be loyal and follow her by making every physical reminder of how amazing she is but instead she needs to lead and make some sacrifices of her own because she's doing these sacrifices in the benefit of Evil and its future instead of herself.
Sophie appreciating people?? Not only remembering them when she needs something from them??? Like @ soman im not asking her to be the next Mother Theresa but I’ll take this character development pls and thank u
I am all in for Sophie appreciating everyone. If she can't do it for other people, then she better do it for Evil.
#sophie#sophie of woods beyond#sge#the school for good and evil#school for good and evil#soman chainani#tagatha#love you too��♡♡#pls#let us continue our discussion
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heres some idea’s for redesigns along with some bulletpoints on what I was thinking for story stuff involving remaking the series
Im having trouble reading off the screenshots so Im gonna write it out under the cut along with probably adding some ideas or expanding on the bullet lists (future me here: I wrote a Lot)
Sam Manson:
-Rich Activist, meaning she’s kinda blind to some troubles going on or doesnt full understand how others are doing financially, along with being raised in a house with people who arnt exactly empathetic and more focused on appearances then worker rights, sam can come off as shallow to others doing activist work.
it could be a really interesting character arc for her to realize some of the things going on outside of her school and plants that she can help with, along with dealing with that sense of helplessness she feels at being to normal to help anyone she expresses in the show.
-Goth, but cheery? One thing i noticed in the show is how overall cheerful sam can come off while toting goth ideal’s, which may be a part of why she isnt shown to have many goth friends with them seeing her more as a poser becouse their teenagers and teenager Be like that sometimes.
It’s not a problem in my book but it could be fun to see tucker or danny question it when in goth spaces and sam basically saying the truth that you dont have to be miserable to enjoy dark subject matter. maybe with tucker and danny getting a small interest in some of the “lesser” goth stuff sam introduces to them.
-fights everyone, becouse teenager with boundless energy and Ghosts attacking all the time. sam didnt fight much in the original series and thats a shame.
-facinated by ghost, becouse duh
-I was kinda thinking of her and tucker being introduced by them competing for class president, becouse that seem’s like a position both would be interested in and it be more interesting then having tucker face dash
Tucker Foley
-Likes to influence others is a general statment, but its true tucker likes to be involved in other peoples lives and generally have his oppinion affect people in possitive (or negative) ways. he likes seeing that his involvment matters and he suffers when people ignore him or take his oppinions for granted and id love to see stuff centered around this trait
-level 1 leader/planner, sorta connected to the influencing people thing I think tucker really would thrive in leadership roles that danny just isnt suited to handling, big mobs of people and sam on his side and he is a force to be recond with. Tucker thrives in getting big groups of people to side with him esspecially since technology profficientcy isnt a sign of weakness in this day and age.
plus him working on his public speaking lines up with his motivation of wanting to be attactive to ladies.
also Having him working on public speaking stuff and general people person scenario’s gives a lot of reason for the group to interact with the A listers in a less hostile scenario
-tech god I guess, becouse tucker foley
Dan Phantom
-Incarnation of discomfort being the unintentional (At least the first time) fusion of a stubborn 14 year old and his crazy 40 year old father figure with very different morals and oppinions makes existing very, very akward for dan, but great comedy fodder!
-dan is able to have legs or a ghostly tail whenever he pleases unlike vlad or danny, becouse I figured it be a good way to make fights more interesting and their fighting styles different becouse I want more vlad involvement and having them be extra different types of ghosts makes watching either of them fight much more interesting
-wishes to not exist, esspecially in the presense of either danny or vlads love interests becouse WOW thats akward
-WAAAAY more powerful then danny and vlad, partially becouse making dan a final everything is going to hell desperate final action for danny and vlad would make dan’s appearances more interesting but also becouse of difference’s about vlad plasmius and danny phantom I will talk about when I get to them.
Dan Discomfort Masters
-“Vlad’s nephew” becouse if you’re meeting this guy stuff has gone horrible wrong on the de-fusing front and he needs a reason to be in either fenton on masters house hold to get whatever he needs to fix the ghost catcher
- big ol liar pant’s, partially becouse danny and vlad are Huge Liars but also becouse of the whole, I need shit to stop existing
-Trying to keep it together becouse he’s probably made to interact with people vlad and danny have Opinions On and honestly he cant decide if he wants to viciously prank jack at every oppertunity or punch himself for thinking of being mean to jack, among other such mixed feelings.
Vlad Masters
-Certified genius due to a number of thing’s including his obession, and becouse being smarter then jack makes him happy and if jack ever expressed interest in a subject He Must Be Better, he might not be trying to kill jack becouse he doesnt want to deal with a ghost hunter ghost for who knows how long but he wont be lesser then jack in ANYTHING.
-fruitloop, still has some backwards logic and morals such as having valarie become a ghost hunter to offer a sparring buddy to danny and whats a better motive to shoot at someone then they ruined their life right but he’s generally such a over the top bird brain trying to show off to everyone that fruitloop is the only description he can be given.
-less evil is a Big Thing, he’s still objectively not a very good man but I want him and danny working together and sharing a roof on the weekends but that means not shooting first and asking questions later on site, so a less evil vlad is needed, plus it just generally makes there interactions more fun and less dangerous which is what im going for, since walker can take over a lot of vlads antagonist role in the story plus danny and vlad making agreements to get stuff out of eachother sounds like a hell of a lot of fun, i liked eye for and eye vlad sue me.
- as a side not I want vlad to be a lot less physically fit and practiced with doing things as a human, seeing him as a man who lords his power over others when he can he prefers relaxing and working as plasmius more then masters, which affects his health and serves a purpose in story for a lesson id like made after watching phantom planet last night
Vlad Plasmius
-loving guardian in that he really, really does want to be a good father and mentor figure to danny even if their relationship is rocky due to long standing lies he’s been feeding him and how tight a grip vlad has on his familys financial health. as well as the whole snatching partial costody as soon as costudy was called into question after dannys accident (Ill get to that) vlad’s babysat in the past for the fenton which is part of it, along with his desire to be better at jack in every aspect.
-great implorer, in which he likes to get minions when he can and usually only grumbles if his minions already have plans when he calls for them, pays great by ghost zone and human standards and usually offers a full health plan, though skulkers case that full health plans is for when he gets his head up his ass and thinks he can actually get either danny or vlads pelt, one of skulkers suits is on vlads lab wall with a nice hole where its face should be as a reminder to those who cross him.
-only legs, meaning he uses 100% more kicks and ground based attacks then danny and can kick below the bet where danny cant, this plus his fire core making him have to get creative lest he burn his surroundings to the ground has him fighting in a very different way to danny, along with his 20 years of experience. vlad tends to fight ghosts with less reason to leave the ghost zone, and invading lairs to get what he wants, leading to more serious encounters then what danny faces in the begining.
-loves dramatics, becouse vlad plasmius everybody he’s a cookyier villian here
-less evil and more ruthless and efficient to those who get in his way, that arnt who percieves as family
-Plasmius’s obsession is teaching people lessons, in all the good and horrible ways that can imply. halfa’s have more broad and less restrictive obsessions then other ghosts which makes them more dangerous and able to ammas power.
Danny Fenton
-Fenton works heir, which is played up a lot more in this with vlad backing his family and giving them chances to disgrace themselves on public telivision and get shamed out of wherever their currently living, leading them on a series of moves throughout dannys life before amity park show off their inventions to the world! Since Jazz aggressively refused the role it fell on danny and he actually takes it pretty seriously, believing as a little bab in ghosts and being convinced of their evil from a young age by his parents which you can only imagine does great things for him when he becomes a halfa and learns unkie vlad is one as well.
-has been haunted by the creepy ghost boy title his whole like due to his situation and the fact he is usually made to assist in showing off his parents weapons publicly as a apprentice ghost hunter, one such invention was the fenton portal that had a wire loose during the presentation, when he went in and put it back the doors automatically shut him in and jack and maddie didnt notice he was in there still until the screaming started, this led to some public outcry over weather jack and maddie are fit to raise kids and vlad swooping in for partial costudy of both fenton children “to ease the masses, and besides he’s basically helped raise them anyway whats garenteed weekends at one of vlads places going to do?” it was a sucky situation.
-bad reputation due to general protectiveness of his parents along with terrible social skills, along with his new trouble of hiding and controlling emerging ghost powers.He doesnt leave a initial good impression on sam and tucker when he first meets them as fenton, and people tend to avoid him to keep away from his parents wierdness anyhow.
-is less good in the traditional sense but wants to keep people safe and happy if he can help it, though its argueable if thats simply a manifestation of his obsession or if its just becouse he’s a sweet kid, once he gets it into his head that ghosts arnt always evil he tries really hard to be nice to ghost too and even tries to save them from his parents when he can. putting his neck out for them.
Danny Phantom
-just wants a lair is a shorthand for wanting to just experience regular ghost things when he’s going ghost, he’s less inclined to fight every ghost he see’s unless their actively hurting people and tries to talk them down, not wanting his afterlife filled with enemies when he officially keels over.
he has big dreams for a super cool lair of his own that are explored upon the one time he’s split apart by the ghost catcher, mostly becouse phantom rips the door to his room from its hinges and zooms into the ghost zone as soon as he’s out, found aimlessly wondering helplessly looking for the PERFECT location to start building. he tends to day dream about the lair of his dreams in class.
-no leg’s leading to more air combat and trying to immobalize people with his tail, usually fighting fairly though with his moments of cheap shots in partiicularly deadly battles,, he usually fights people like johnny 13 who mess with people then he does generally harmless ghosts like box ghost in the begining, plus with his in development abilities that include a versatile ice core his fights are more strategy then sheer beat down or creative weapon making (or heating whatever metal the ghost is wearing to the point of insanity)
Danny also has this little problem where he “died” in a anti ghost hazmat suit made of stuff to weaken and harm a ghost who comes in contact with jack and maddies little boy and it means its harder on him to access his powers, taking more energy to do things that most ghost would find easy like intangibilty and invisibility, which is a major problem for him esspecially at first, danny’s only made aware of this though vlads help and their working on a way to trick the hazmat suit into changing material with what danny was wearing under the suit, since its being difficult with changing on dannys command, he can put stuff over and under the suit but the suit itself is hard to make budge. the outfit shown above is after danny learns how to at least add stuff over it with vlads help.
dan does not have problem’s with the material of his costume making him have access to all dannys abilities easily, along with vlads experience and power and dannys creative thinking dan gets the nickname of the ultimate enemy with good reason
- Loves exploring, esspecially the ghost zone its so interesting and full of enteraining characters and the food is Amazing at least in ghost form and vlad’s show him some pretty incredible places in the zone when they agree to work together in the sense of vlad stealing madde and jacks thermoses at the end of fenton fights and danny helping him spelunk in the ghost zone, its a guilty pleasure to be able to show sam and tucker around when they become friends, natural portals are a tempation danny has a hard time ignoring when he see’s one, much to his loved ones annoyance. wolf is a terrible enablr of a friend.
- due to his obession with proving himself (its the wording i go with now i might change it to something like control or being loved) danny tends to want people to like him and seeing a opertunity to get them to like him sorta throws him off balance and out of fight mode, usually leading to him cuddling up to them, in phantom form dannys a great cuddler. take caution though he’s been known to trick enemys into thinking he’s gone out of fight mode and either shove them into the nearest portal/thurmos or later freezing them where they stand. dannys terrible with crowds, esspecially crowds of people who dont like him he freezeses up.
Danny to-tired-to-function (school and not working with parents danny)
-cant wait to to graduate, with no plans to go to college becouse he’s not paying for more hell
-is really in a bad place socially and mentally in the begining, but will become a lot happier once he befriends sam and tucker, though before that he tends to do some pretty desperate and embarrasing things to get attention and has a problem with letting people drag him into trouble on the promise of friendship.
Danny’s Chore’s list:
-deadly laundry with ectoplasm contaminated laundry machines to content with
-helping whoever wants to cook, cook, or being in charge of dinner most nights unless someone else wants to cook (breakfast is jazz’s job, maddie and jack are gently discouraged from cooking, jazz and danny usually or use to just grab take out for lunch if they had time)
-cleaning the lab
-dishes with ecto contaminated dishwasher are always a little dangerous damn appliances and their wills to reak havoc, jazz likes to help make sure it doesnt hurt anyone since its more dangerous then the laundry machines
-assembling weapons with parents for the vault, or incase of a huge ghost invasion so everyone has a chance at a weapon, danny usually just assembles the less dangerous stuff that doesnt require a lot of welding
-general house maintense, vacuuming and window cleaning while jazz mops and dusts
-jazz cleans the weapons vault after learning dannys secret becouse its a lot less dangerous for her then for him and hes infinitly grateful
AND DONE thats some of my thoughts on what could be done with a re design of the characters and story beats listed, im tired of writing now but enjoyed getting this out
#danny phantom#danny fenton#sam manson#tucket foley#dan phantom#vlad masters#vlad plasmius#lot more words then normal
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Andrew Davies on Les Miserables: ‘I’m rescuing it from that awful musical’
Give Andrew Davies a piece of classic literature and he will show you the erotic desires and deep-rooted anxieties that lurk beneath. Think of the passions he unleashed in the nation’s living rooms when he sent Mr Darcy for a dip in his full-blooded 1995 adaptation of Jane Austen’s Pride and Prejudice, or the consternation he provoked when he inserted a spot of incest into War and Peace in 2016.
Yet even to Davies, a new adaptation of Les Misérables – which he claims “will rescue Victor Hugo’s novel from the clutches of that awful musical with its doggerel lyrics” – posed a challenge. Perhaps the biggest question was how to represent the sexuality of its two principal characters: Jean Valjean, the prisoner who breaks his parole (played by Dominic West); and his nemesis, Javert (David Oyelowo) the policeman who hounds him until the end of his days.
Over tea in central London, Davies tells me that he was surprised to discover that, in Hugo’s 1862 novel, neither character mentions any sort of sexual experience, leaving the 82-year-old screenwriter wondering, at least in the case of Javert, whether it was indicative of a latent homosexuality.
“His obsession with Jean Valjean represents a kind of perverse, erotic love,” Davies says. He doesn’t stop there. In capturing the febrile atmosphere of post-Napoleonic France, he also shows how the innkeeper’s daughter Eponine (Erin Kellyman) expresses her desire for the earnest student Marius (Josh O’Connor).
“One of the best things Hugo does is to have Eponine tease Marius with her sexiness because he is a bit of a prig,” says Davies. “So I have introduced a scene where Marius, even though he is in love with Cosette [Valjean’s adopted daughter], has a wet dream about Eponine and feels rather guilty about it. I think it fits into the psychology of the book.”
Another problem that needed solving was Cosette, “a pretty nauseating character in the book”, whom Davies has made “strong and optimistic, rather than just an idealised figure who doesn’t add anything at all.” In the past, he has spoken about how he has turned the more saccharine depictions of 19th-century womanhood he has found on the page into women with the power “to disconcert men”, by injecting into them a little of his own mother’s character. I ask if she also makes her presence felt in Les Misérables. “I don’t think so. Was she like Madame Thénardier?” he wonders, referring to the sometimes violent innkeeper’s wife, here played by Olivia Colman. “No, that would be awful. Although she was quite keen on smacking people. The women in this book are not terribly complicated.”
I suggest that this might not sit well with modern viewers. “Well, I suppose Fantine goes on one hell of a journey,” says Davies, effecting a cod-American accent. “She develops a sort of animal ferocity and that is all because of how she has been treated.”
Davies’ childhood sounds rosy by comparison. No sooner had he started at his Cardiff grammar than he wrote a naughty poem about two of the modern language teachers, which went around the whole school in samizdat. He recites it for me:
He kissed her, she kissed him
back.
He took her knickers off and put
them in a sack.
She took his underpants and put
them in her bag.
He said: “Excusez-moi, but may I
have a shag?”
After that, his writing career settled into a slow burn. He studied English at University College London, then moved to Kenilworth, where he met his future wife, Diana Huntley (they have been married since 1960 and have two children) and began teaching literature at the Coventry College of Further Education. He wrote the odd TV play and a whole host of radio scripts – sadly, now all deleted. One 1972 play about wife swapping, Steph and the Single Life, received complaints from those who denounced it as “obscene, disgusting rubbish”.
More solid success came to Davies in the Eighties, most notably with his greatest original work, A Very Peculiar Practice, based on his experiences at Warwick. Heavy on existential gloom, it concluded with the campus being sold to a private American company, which turned it into a defence research base. Never has a series ended to quite such a peal of mirthless laughter and its extraordinary scheduling (9pm on BBC One) was, thinks Davies, a mistake.
At that point, it was hard to imagine that Davies would, a few years later, be the person to turn costume drama into sportive heritage TV. His Middlemarch came first, in 1994, and was followed 18 months later by Pride and Prejudice, one of the most popular TV series of all time. I wonder how he feels about Nina Raine’s forthcoming small-screen adaptation.
“I am very excited about it,” he says. Then he adds, “even though I wish her all the best, I hope it’s not as popular as my one. It gives me so much pleasure when people say, ‘I was feeling rotten and so I just went to bed and put on Pride and Prejudice’. People use it to get over bereavements – I’m better than a priest!”
This is not arrogance. Davies may be sharp, naughty and ironic, but he is embarrassed by anyone who makes a fuss over him. He worries that this month’s documentary about his work, Rewriting the Classics, is “a bit effusive”, and he seems too pragmatic to be affected by writerly insecurity. Is he sensitive?
“I am much less sensitive than I used to be. I remember being cast down when I had a play that went to Broadway,” he says, referring to 1980’s Rose, which starred Glenda Jackson as a schoolteacher and closed after only 68 performances. “Column after column was spent saying how terrible it was. I couldn’t eat solid food for a week.”
He had a similarly bruising experience with the film industry. A decade ago, Davies admitted that he was disappointed that his movie career had not been more buoyant (Bridget Jones’s Diary was a rare success). Talking to me now, however, he is more sanguine.
“And that’s because the writer is king in TV. In film, all the stories that people say, that they pay you a lot of money and treat you like s---, are true in my experience. I have been sacked from several movies without being told. You meet someone at a party and you say you are working on a picture and they’ll laugh and say, ‘No, you’re not.’ It’s not terribly nice.”
Two more Davies adaptations will be shown next year – of Austen’s fragment, Sanditon, and of Vikram Seth’s epic A Suitable Boy. He would love to adapt more 19th-century classics (Dickens’s Dombey and Son and Trollope’s The Barchester Chronicles are top of his list) but before that, we can look forward to his version of the Rabbit Angstrom novels by John Updike, an author whose perceived misogyny might not seem an obvious fit in today’s cultural climate.
“There are a lot of grim things said about Updike at the moment, but he is a wonderful observer of how we all behave,” says Davies. “I don’t think writers are there to be role models, they are there to say what the world is like from their point of view.”
If the number of irons he has in the fire makes it sound as though Davies is spreading himself too thinly, he displays an air of toughness despite his advancing years and a recent double hip replacement. “I don’t feel old. I had my one-year check-up yesterday and my surgeon pronounced that he was pleased with his work. My hips are good for another 10 years.”
As well as his prolific adapting, I wonder whether Davies has the desire to tell the story of his own life. “I really ought to,” he says. “I would like to start with my parents’ lives, in the early days of their marriage, because something went wrong there.” I ask why and Davies lowers his voice almost to a whisper. “I think it’s probably something to do with sex.”
Ben Lawrence, The Telegraph, 22 December 2018 (x)
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How Kubo developed Romance in bleach (IR mostly)
http://www.well-storied.com/blog/the-dos-and-donts-of-crafting-your-storys-love-interest (Here is the link I used to reference for any writers out there.)
Types In Bleach
Enemies to Lovers
Friends to Lovers
Love Triangles
Second Chances at Love
Rags-to-Riches Romances
Star-Crossed Lovers
Opposites Attract
Fated Romances
Pretend Relationships
Love at First Sight
Royal Romances
Arranged or Political Marriages
Isshin’s and Maskai’s love and destiny gets repeated in Ichigo and Rukia (sigh* Kubo o.o)
Here Kubo introduces love tri and displays jealousy in Orihime (I know some I/H is gonna say some ish about how IR isn’t romantic blah blah well look Orihime displayed a jealousy towards Rukia and her effect on Ichigo and this is after Rukia had said (lied ill explain) that she didn’ t like Ichigo so why feel jealous of a close friend? Why would Kubo put this in if it was unnecessary? She wasn’t jealous of Tatsuki, because Rukia is special to Ichigo in a way she is not.
Rukia shows the series signature fake smile as she puts up her actor front and denies feelings for Ichigo but we get a look into her inner thoughts and she mentions “love, companionship and friendship” And how her like or hate for Ichigo is troublesome. She wouldn’t mention love of she wasn’t thinking of it or feeling it. She also separated love and friendship, if all she felt was a simple friendship for Ichigo she wouldn’t need to say love. Then we take into consideration her expression Bleach’s signature fake smile; a smile in the series that shows that you are pretending, lying, holding back emotion and/or putting up a front. Multiple characters have used this smile (below). Why would Rukia use a fake smile while answering about her feelings for Ichigo? She has never been one to beat around the bush this here displays that Kubo wanted Rukia to have feelings for Ichigo different from friendship, something that was growing. He even titled the chapter Needless Emotions.
#1: CHOOSE THE TYPE OF CHEMISTRY YOU’D LIKE TO BUILD.
Chemistry is that potent magnetism that draws two people — or, in our case, characters — together.
• A bond over shared interests or experiences • A broadening of one another's horizons • A grounding balance between dichotomous personalities • A shared admiration for one another’s spirits
Love interests that do not have lives outside of their story's protagonists aren’t characters at all, I’d argue. They are objects, cardboard cutouts, prizes to be won.
Your love interest should exist as a fully-formed individual, with a life outside of the protagonist's story. ( >.> hmmm lol)
Ichigo is stubborn, short-tempered, strong-willed, impulsive, genuinely compassionate and empathetic towards others . outspoken, hot-headed demeanor
Rukia is grim, somber, stoic, straightforward, tactical, compassionate, selfless and had a difficulty making friends.
Before Rukia came along Ichigo did not smile because he blamed himself for his mother death. He was dealt with guilt and what some could say depression (rain in his heart) for years until after saving Rukia where we see his true smile for the first time, and this rain reappears many times to display Ichigo’s inner distress. Rukia is used as the cure to that distress multiple times, like here for example (below). One minute Ichigo is crying and covered in rain then after his powers are given back the rain stops completely and from then on out no one is getting rained on, not ginjou, Urahara, especially Ichigo, and so on, its as if that specific rain storm was related to Ichigo’s emotional turmoil and as soon as Rukia arrived and fixed everything it stopped. Also notice how of everyone Rukia is the only one that isn’ t getting wet by the rain (Kubo all the f-ing symbolism for nothing)
Rukia comes into the first arc as a character that looks defeated and emotionless because she blames her self for Kaien’s death, she is alone and the only family she has doesn’t speak to her. Ichigo teachers her to trust other, to make friends, to smile as well, and gives her a stronger will to live. Everything that Kaien once did for her Ichigo now does for her. She puts her trust in others and now feels joy. If we see Rukia changes in expression from the first chapter to the end of the SS arc you see just how much of a positive impact Ichigo has on her.(look below)
They balance each other out and as Orihime said they have pure chemistry, Rukia brings out a great Ichigo, an Okay Ichigo, and makes Ichigo feel better
chapter 181> chapter 1 (Ichigo and Rukia change in expression
#2: DEFINE YOUR PROTAGONIST’S ROMANTIC INTERESTS.
To choose the best type of chemistry to pursue in your story, you may find it helpful to first understand what your protagonist needs in a relationship. Not what they want or what they think they need, but what will truly bring a little love into their life.
In the throughout the series we see an emotionally conflicted Ichigo constantly battling with his inner demons (literally). In the beginning we see him emotionally conflicted with his mother death, then with his hollow, then with his vasto lorde form (which I/H love to claim as an I/h moment even though that form caused im anguish/ despair lmao *look below*), then when he lost his powers, and so on. Rukia constantly ,not in all these moments but most, play a pivotal part in Ichigo’s emotional stability. Kubo makes her Ichigo’s rock (ray of light, stopper of rain/angish) he makes her someone Ichigo needs to get back to normal for four Arcs (Sub-shingami, SS, HM, and Fullbringer). He makes her the reason why Ichigo can smile again. He makes her what Ichgo needs. Not once has he made Hime that. Throughout the course of the series he made her a friend, a girl in love with Ichigo, a healer and comical relief ; but not once has she made her someone that resolves the main problems Ichigo has emotionally and mentally. Ichigo was literally depressed for a year and a half up and she couldn’t do anything for him and throughout the F.B Arc Ichigo doesn’t smile once... we get one of his fake smiles that makes Yuzu sad but that's about it
GIVE YOUR LOVE INTEREST AUTONOMY.
This trope, which disproportionately affects female love interests, is a form of objectification that's sure to leave a bad taste in many readers' mouths. To counteract this, treat your love interest as the protagonist of their own story, giving them autonomy in the form of their own goals, desires, and needs.
Hime has displayed this trope after the SS arc Kubo makes her a Kurosaki-Kun machine. Her feelings for Ichigo become the largest part of her character or her role as a healer or as a damsel. When they aren’t fighting hime is imagining him in Shojo like scene which is comical in a Shounen ( he went from Ichigo to Usui lol). We understand that she is working but often times when she is in a panel its because she is going to see Ichigo she doesn’t have her own story in the series. Not even some panels showing her working. Just her alone at home thinking about Ichigo, talking about Ichigo (to or not to Tatsuki), Her walking to Ichigo’s Job, Her going to Ichigo’s house, you get the point...
MAKE YOUR LOVE INTEREST IRREPLACEABLE.
Further your love interest's development as a character by giving them a role in your story that is unrelated to their romance with the protagonist.
Rukia place in Ichigo’s life is unique. When Rukia disappears the first time Ichigo speaks on painfully feeling her absence (ch58). Then when he mentions Uryu he says that he’s absent but at least he would remember Rukia (instead of saying “oh yeah Uryu got hurt pretty bad so it makes sense that he’s absent...”) Then gain he mentions this odd feeling about how the world keep going even with out Rukia all in this chapter. This become reiterated in one of Kubo’s signature poems in Vol. 49(below) Ichigo now directly wonders again how can he keep up with the speed of the world without her in it ( It still makes me laugh when I/H deny this...) Then take into consideration that Rukia is the rain stopper (sadness stopper) in Ichigo’s life (another role only she has) Then the chapter where Ichigo gains his fullbringer powers, right before Rukia get a full page dedicated to her as Ichigo thinks of moment that could trigger his power and it is Rukia. Then when he loses his fullbring Rukia brings back his powers again. Rukia being the one who changed his world in general. Kubo again making all these specific decision, put Rukia’ s importance to Ichigo on the forefront.
ENSURE INFLUENCE IS A TWO-WAY STREET.
Relationships are a push-and-pull, a give-and-take. Protagonists are often challenged or transformed by their relationship with the love interest, but don’t forget to allow the relationship to shape your love interest in return.
Throughout the series Rukia is a positive influence to Ichigo. Not once has she ever caused negative development for him. The Ichigo has given Rukia people in her life that she can call her friends. He brings back joy in her life or as Renji says “ a shine in her face” (below) Because of Ichigo, Rukia gains the courage to finally confront Kaien’s family and she too begins to smile again. Because of Ichigo Rukia gets a second chance she can’t protect Kaien but she can protect Ichigo, he brings back her humanity and they give each other balance.
Kubo built all of this up only to go left in the end...
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all about the lesbian sea pirate
ahsjdkflg okay im gonna do the first section above the cut and the rest under
send me an oc and some numbers pls!! | here are my ocs!
Section 1 - About:
1. Briefly Describe your OC: Appearance, personality, role in a story, etc..
okay so!! hana is half-japanese, half-german, she’s got short/spiky black hair and fucking Huge brown eyes. she’s the protagonist of a thus-unwritten pirate love story and i fucking love her. she’s superbly socially awkward (doesn’t get customs like politeness or like asking before doing things asdjkfl), she’s a Romantic romantic, she loves sword-fighting, she was raised by her father (alongside three older half-brothers, though she was chosen as the heir to his ship which hmm pissed two of them off), she’s very much butch/tomboy, she loves adventure and sailing so fucking much, uhhh yeah her.
2. Briefly describe their backstory/childhood
like i said, she was raised by her dad, who she idolizes, along with her three brothers on the sea; she never knew her mother, because her father told her that she died giving birth to hana (or did she….? hm. maybe hana’s dad is just shitty?). she was always super excited to play and go on adventures and fight, especially with her three older brothers (only one of whom actually like. liked her.), and by the time she was old enough to hold a sword, her dad taught her how to. eventually, her dad became ill, and named hana, who was only 16, his successor. her two eldest brothers planned a mutiny to overthrow her, killing the other brother who protested. hana fought them but they escaped with half her treasure, promising to come back and kill her, and she’s spent the past six years seeking them out to defeat them.
3. Describe their family life and friends.
i mean i pretty much nailed her family, but she’s very close to all the crew. i’ll give you a quick rundown: there’s caspian, her first mate/quartermaster (grew up on the ship with her, an orphan who was stolen in one of the raids, searching out his lost family but is also a big time goof), dover, her “advisor”/sailing master (wise, lazy, arrogant, bitchy, basically her pseudo-father because her father was usually off being captain), darya, her gunner (slutty bisexual aromantic queen, runs the artillery AND the under deck gambling ring, always drunk, loyal to a fault especially to hana), and zarya (we’ll get to her later ;)) and the other lower-ranking crew members.
4. What is the world they come from like?
hmmm very mystical and mysterious, very “pirates are bad and suck and we dont like them even though they’re not usually bad” but. you know. hana is still an outlaw of the land. there are mermaids and sirens and cracken and curses so it’s better to assume that if its magical it exists.
5. Are they original or exist in a certain fandom?
original!!
6. Are they an introvert or extrovert?
extroverted babey
7. Greatest fear?
being unable to sail but also, later on, (SPOILERS) being arrogant and greedy and malicious like her father
8. What’s their sense of humor like?
honestly just fucking. stupid. she probably likes puns and like dirty jokes.
9. Favorite pieces of fiction or genres they enjoy?
i dont think she can read???? but her third eldest brother bourne would usually tell her princess stories and she liked those
10. Favorite music genres?
folk ig
11. Describe their vision of a perfect spouse, if applicable.
a tall, beautiful, kindhearted woman, who sees past the pirate savagery and sees her heart beneath; a woman who can rule the sea alongside her and knows how to handle her and keep her in check. (looks at zarya meaningfully)
12. Largest regret?
not being able to save bourne
13. Something your OC would say?
my quote for her in her bio is “what am i without adventure?” but i also imagine her saying to zarya, “you are more celestial than the stars, my love, and twice as beautiful to behold.”
14. Whats their morality like?
technically lawful good but could be a roulette wheel depending on the day
15. Would they live in a city, rural area, or suburb?
oof none but if she had to probably rural
16. Which actor would you like to portray your OC? (Or a voice actor)
sjskdldldl my face claim is jen ruggirello
17. Sexuality? Gender Identity?
lesbian baby!!!!!
18. What inspired you to make this character?
honestly?? probably a lack of rep in romance and adventure novels. i just love her!!!
Section 2 - If…
1. If they existed in another decade, what would they wear? (Asker can choose what decade) (Bonus points if you draw them!)
hmmm ill pick… current day tbh, and i imagine lots of overalls and baggy sweaters!
2. If they were in a RPG, what would be their class?
i have to imagine somewhere between paladin and a fighter, im not sure which.
3. If they received a large amount of money no strings attached, what would they use it for?
i honestly think she would just. go into the nearest village and buy all the local hungry children bread. like she wouldn’t horde it or spend it on herself. she has everything she needs.
4. If they competed on a competitive TV show, how would they approach to winning? (the “mean” one, the one who makes friends, the one who’s there for fun)
hm… i honestly dont even think she would think about it like that dkdkflfl. probably the charming one, the leader, the adorkable one.
5. If they could change one thing about their past, what would it be?
i think she would choose to keep in contact with her mother. not necessarily live with her, because then she wouldnt have her first love which is the sea, but just like. talk to her. know her better. go see her every few months. write her from different ports about their adventures.
6. If you met them, what would they do?
i would honestly probably be so fucking charmed by her. shes got that way about her, a leadership quality you can’t shake, even if shes really incredibly awkward too.
7. If your character exists in another series’ world, what would they be doing/look like?
i kind of imagine her in harry potter as like. this half blood gryffindor who’s So Gryffindor it hurts. on the quidditch team, always screaming about house pride, everyone loves her. and then she goes and falls in love with this muggle born slytherin and shakes the whole school dkdkkrklr
Section 3 - Other:
1. What other OCs would they get along with?
oh… i think it’s kind of cheap to say jack, because they’re both pirates, but honestly i think they’d get on like a house on fire. other than that… definitely michael minkus, who would make an epic first mate, and lucy stilinksi-hale, who she would probably wanna smash.
2. What’s their singing voice like?
bad. comically bad. she tries to sing to zarya sometimes and zarya locks her out of their room.
3. Take a personality test as the character. Post results.
okay so ive already taken a couple for her in the past (ex: gryffindor, entj, the motivator, etc.) so im gonna take a completely benign one off buzzfeed and post the results. so if she were a song off of thank you next she would be “bad idea” skskkdkd
4. What would be their fighting style in a fighting game like Mortal Kombat, Super Smash Brothers, or Street Fighter?
to outsmart her opponent, think two moves ahead of theirs just like in real life. jokes on her no one else is ever thinking skdkkfkfl
5. What are some mannerisms/quirks?
putting her feet up on tables, walking into rooms without invitation, holing up in her cabin for days working, smirking instead of smiling, smoking, docking in random cities for the thrill of adventure, wearing her blouses nearly completely unbuttoned, just taking things and enforcing sharing bc. she’s always shared everything with everyone naturally and she doesnt know to ask djdkfkfk
6. Describe their favorite meal.
honestly she’ll eat anything but just like. a Nice leg of mutton and a glass of beer. that’s it. that’s the dream.
7. What do they do when they’re bored?
her favorite activity is to randomly attack caspian and have impromptu sword fights with him, but she also loves stargazing and telling stories to the town children.
8. How do they express love/affection for someone?
honestly she’s very. nuzzley. soft. like a little kitten. also waxes poetic. at least romantically. platonically, shes usually like a dad friend sjdkkrlr. like im talking “attaboy” and punches on the arm. pep talks. dad voice. the whole nine yards.
9. Most embarrassing thing that could/has happened to them?
honestly, she’s not easily embarrassed ever. i think she’s kind of just like meh over most things. the most embarrassing thing that could happen would be losing the respect of her crew. she would hate that so much.
10. Make a portrait sketch of them!
#nicole#hana#oc stuff#love her!!!! so much!!!!!!!#loveallthatjazz#what kind of woman doesnt have an ask#long post#go all the way to the bottom of this post to see a qt uwu#katie writes#wow i went off
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a brief sketch of a headcanon set in an alternative universe
please, do not reblog if you’re not my writing partner over @tartareus
time and time again i find myself musing over hannibal and mischa's relationship, and how peculiarly complicated it was/is for both sides. in his book, harris denotes the mixed feelings hannibal has for mischa ( love vs sibbling jeaously, frustration vs protectiveness and so on ) subtly and for a fleeting moment, of course far too occupied with the plot of the book itself to linger on small details like that, however ------ as a mischa roleplayer, what is left for me to mull over are, in fact, these small moments, considering how awfully small is our perception of mischa.
we know, because this side of their relationship is touched by both books, movies and series, that he felt protective over her and that, despite the lingering feeling of sibling rivalry from him towards her ( if i am not mistaken, early in the hannibal rising book "[hannbibal] thought mischa looked like a wrinkled red squirrel" and felt sorry for her not having their mother's looks ) hannibal truly shows affection to mischa, perhaps more than he did to his own parents i'd dare to say. even when a fleeting thought of getting rid of her arises briefly, not getting rid per se but the idea of the abscence of her in general through his child-mind ( and how he "thought how convenient it would be if the eagle that sometimes soared over the castle should gather his little sister up and gently transport her to some happy peasant home in a country far away, where the residents all looked like squirrels and she would fit right in", craving his previous position of only child but already showing signs of affection, here presented by the subtle words: gently, happy and fit. we know at this point hannibal does not wish any harm to reach his sister, even though he doesn't love her yet, and wants her to be happy and, eventually, fit in. this makes me ponder that, perhaps, hannibal's own inner feelings of inequality drive him to wish something better to mischa ), it does not last long.
soon as mischa grows enough to start wondering and, more importantly, discovering the world, she is, all of sudden, of his interest. this, i think, is the root of their affection ------ he's no longer the older sibling that lost his privileges as only child as soon as his sister was born, no, hannibal assumes the role of protector, guiding mischa && leading her way so she discovers the world not just on her own but with similar eyes and outlook than he did; what hannibal does to mischa is to try and shape her into something that pleases his mind and she, in blind adoration and devotion for her older sibling, accepts with gusto.
( and at writing this, i cannot help but feel how awfully familiar his stance towards clarice was ------ she starts boring to him, than suddenly becomes a puzzle and he tries to mold her into a new version of his sister, later on, but the latter does not happen because, contrary to mischa herself, clarice's iron will guides her, not hannibal's words. putting it like that, we can see a pattern on how hannibal shows his affections )
despite the natural divergences between their personas ( and that is caused by harris himself on purpose, to illustrate how mischa was "pure, the light" and how hannibal was, from birth, "dark and different from everyone else" ) they do not serve as a barrier between them; quite contrary, it becomes a bridge, between human emotions ( here represented by msicha) and the young hannibal that is in process of becoming the one we already know. more than anything else, mischa grounds hannibal to humanity ( the only time we ever see him smile or play is when he's with her ).
perhaps, and now i'm just wondering out loud ( i have no way to prove the conclusions i'm coming to as of now for we lack evidence of them in all media types of the hannibal canon ), hannibal liked the company, enjoyed having someone depending on him and that relayed and trusted him blindly. i do believe he doted on mischa more than everyone else, despite the resentful, lingering, feelings of jealously at times.
now, i wish to raise questions ( after all, i have answered all i could so far, if anyone else knows anything that could help with thickening this headcanon, pls send me an im or smth, i'd love to hear your ideas ), lets say... what if they hadn't been torn appart at such young age ? i do not doubt that hannibal would still be the same kind of character he is now, what happened to him is not explained by mischa, he was born like that as he explains ( "nothing happened to me, i happened").
so what if mischa was never killed ? what if they had grown together, as the family they should have been ? what implications her, as his anchor, would result ? what mischa’s life would be like ?
of course i dont have the answers for these questions ( let's be honest, perhaps not even harris himself would have them ), but i cannot help but wonder. sure, their relationships is complex, but also simple if you put it in the basic drives that lead them. it is a relationship of control, protection and need ------ yes, need. hannibal needs mischa as much as she needs him. looking at their relationship this way makes me ponder wheather or not if their dynamics would even be healthy; probably not. i do think she would not be allowed to leave him ( i still pretty much think hannibal is afraid of losing people, even though he tries not to show his affections to others ), thus this would result into them still living together as they grow older ( at least until 50, i doubt he'd let her leave before that and i do not think she would want to, given the chance ), fostering and feeding a disturbing a mutual codependency between them.
it would get to a point that neighbours and other people mistake her as mrs lecter or even call her the countness often enough for her to not even bother correcting them.
their dysfunctional boundaries ( or lack thereof ) could result into neither of them developing long term relationships/connections with others out of their orbit, alligned with dynamics of top dog/under dog nature, they would not only care for their flaws but enable them, denying each other ( perhaps without even realising) basic human interactions necessary for a healthy relationship.
sure, mischa would still work and have friends, but actual meaningful relationships with other people? not likely. however, it is worth noting that, although being dependant of hannibal, she too feeds these behaviours by manipulating him ( by extension, his emotions ) just as much as he manipulates to (try to) control her. their blurred lines and quasi inexistent boundaries become a vicious cycle mutually harmful for them and, curiously, at the same time beneficial in some ways, almost similar to a form of comensalism ------ but more fucked up.
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Was looking at my muse list to think of something that stood out but since I couldn’t pick one I’ll just go w something that affects a lot of them but anyway like
As an autistic person I personally thing the large majority of the magi/snb cast is autistic coded! The fandom as a whole (although it’s not just the magi fandom tbf it’s kind of all of them I’ve been in) ignores that a lot!
I have seen autistic Judar before which is VALID but it’s really frustrating when Judar and Morgiana are the only two you see (and Mor as an afterthought) bc they’re the ones with the more “stereotypical” traits (i.e Judar being antisocial/struggling with empathy which is probably due to trauma and not even his autism considering that. studies show that it’s allistic people who lack empathy for autistic people usually and not the other way around but I digress!) and I’ve been told that other characters who are autistic coded can’t be bc they’re like idk??? competant lmfao??? I don’t get when allistic people say a character can’t be autistic bc im like lmao good to know you know every autistic experience and trait! Maybe you can educate me on my own disorder that you don’t have bc you clearly know so much about it that you couldn’t possibly be overlooking something!
Anyway my muses that I intentionally play as autistic and some of their main traits are bellow the cut bc it’s lengthy (The others I’m probably going to accidentally autistic code bc I. am autistic and it affects my writing but ahiodfhg)
Morgiana: Mor is a pretty obvious one, although I do love her autistic coding! So like most of these characters but with Mor esp you have to keep in mind that she canonly has c-ptsd (post traumatic stress disorder but when it’s not a single traumatic event but living long term in a traumatic environment such as an abusive home or any other variation) so that affects how many of her autistic traits present themselves. I do think that she’s become very good at masking (i.e hiding autistic traits) due to them being punished and because of that she is exhausted because masking is very taxing. I think that she started to unlearn this considerably once she joined the caravan with Leila’s encouragement but it was subtle bc while she did become close with Leila and Sahsa she didn’t open up entirely.
Once she gets to Sindria though and starts opening up I think that she’ll relax a lot because she can see others with the same traits who don’t have to hide them. Masrur especially points out that it’s important for her to stim and because she’s not the only one who deos this, everyone is understanding and accommodating at times when she’s non verbal/not able to speak.
One thing that really stood out to me about Mor is her hyperempathy. Because she doesn’t talk much, it’s hard for some people to pick up on, but Morgiana often has strong feelings of empathy for others. At first this is something that she struggles with, because it’s something that others have taken advantage of and used to hurt her, and because she’s afraid of her emotions as a whole. Later though, she learns that this can be her strength. Morgiana’s most powerful moments (in my opinion) like when she rescued Nadja, when she confronts Alibaba about the consequences of what the fog troupe is doing, and many other instances, are very emotionally charged. She’s also the first to empathize with the pirates that Madaura has brainwashed, and is able to get the others to empathize with them too.
Morgiana was my first favorite magi character (the reason I even got into magi in the first place tbh) bc it was so empowering to see someone with many of my traits in an empowering role of a hero because of those traits and not just with them as an afterthought!
Masrur: I’m going to focus on snb just because that’s what I’m more familiar with as I haven’t read the parts of magi that Masrur is spotlighted in in a long time although honestly all of this stuff applies to Masrur later but it presents itself differently because whilst autistic people never grow out of their traits, just like anything in a person, it changes and becomes more nuanced as a person gets older and gets more experience.
But Masrur is another autistic coded character! A lot of his traits can technically be explained away by canon/plot details however in this house we don’t think that because there’s technically an argument against autistic headcanons that it’s at all valid so ANYWAY
To start we have the way he sees himself as different from others, the way he goes to sit by himself because he feels like he can’t fit in with everyone, how he’s not like them, how he’s just a monster with a single purpose that’s already been fulfilled. Normally, I wouldn’t count this exactly as an autistic trait however Hinahoho is the one that comes to talk to him because he can relate to this experience which is autistic coded so! One thing that’s a common experience in autistic people is feeling quite literally inhuman, usually in the form of an alien, fairy, or fictional character (as it was in my case). This is becuase of the isolation that we normally face in childhood. For Masrur, he feels different from the others, like who he is isn’t someone that would be wanted and that’s something that I can relate to quite strongly. It’s not until he comes to the Sindria trading company, a place full of Neurodivergent coded characters (the ones that aren’t autistic coded are coded as other disorders as well such as ADHD and BPD among others I don’t think there’s actually one person there who’s neurotypical considering that. The entire theme of the Sindria trading company is that they take in people who are outcasts and in need of help and usually those people tend to be ND.) that he comes to realize that he does belong and that he is valued.
In addition to that we do see him stimming or doing stim like behaviors at times, he sometimes is talkative and others seems mostly or entirely non verbal, he tends to misunderstand social queues, struggles with subjects that he’s not interested in, etc.
I think it’s super important to take into account Masrur’s autistic coding because Masrur gets to be HAPPY. Like, yes, he does experience a lot of traumatizing things, but by the end of Magi he still has his family, he’s happilly married and a good father. These are things that people think autistic people can’t have or don’t deserve, and we never get to experience this things in character’s that are canonly autistic. So for me seeing an autistic coded character with such a positive development was something really positive, it’s the same way for a lot of these characters, seeing so many autistic coded characters getting the development that the deserved was what drew me to magi inittially if I’m perfectly honest. I didn’t know it at the time bc I had no idea I was autistic until last year (coincidentally from autistic friends also from this fandom!) but it really was what drew me in.
Hinahoho: Oh God where do I even START with autistic icon Hinahoho? I think, out of any snb characters Hinahoho is the most heavily autistic coded. Like there is literally no other explanation for his character I can think of whenever I see him I get so happy bc I’m like!!! Yes!!!! Autistic dad!!! I love him!!!
His backstory first and foremost focuses on his separation from the rest of the people in his tribe because he has unconventional interests (art!!) and that he isn’t able to pass the test and become and adult at the proper time. To start, being a “late bloomer” in things (or alternatively doing things too soon in some cases) is a common autistic experience. A lot of us due to many reasons (mostly due to ableism and lack of accommodations) we aren’t able to do the things that our peers do at the same times like drive, attend college, or move out of the house etc. This isn’t a lack of competence just that we aren’t able to go about things in a way that we are able to thrive in, and this is exactly what Hinahoho’s development highlights! He never does pass the warrior’s test in the way that is most traditional, instead Sinbad (whose an Adhd ND icon if you ask me but I haven’t added him to my muse list yet so aidofhg more on him and the other adhd icons in this series later ahidofhg) mentions how there’s multiple ways to be strong, how he doesn’t have to do things the same way as everyone else to be worth something.
There’s also the ableism that he faces from others in his tribe. In addition to judging him for not having become a warrior yet, he is bullied by others and treated like a child when he shouldn’t be. The others are so unkind to him for being “different” and “weird” and having “a personality like a fish left to dry” (WHATEVER THAT’S EVEN SUPPOSED TO MEAN LMAO I STILL DONT GET IT) that in his introduction he starts sobbing bc Sinbad said thank you to him like. Like God can I relate to this, honestly his experiences though not exactly the same as my own deeply resemble how I was before I found out that I’m autistic.
Then, after he learns to love and accept himself and marries Rurumu (Oh!! That’s another thing, people acted like he was unlovable but Rurumu always loved him. He never had to change who he was or mask his autistic traits and that’s SO important because honestly I can’t even imagine someone who isn’t also autistic wanting me romantically especially when I see shit about people taking autistic people to homecoming and calling it “inspiring” and “selfless” and a “learning experience”) he then turns around and teaches others to do the same. I noticed that he becomes very close to both Drakon and Masrur who are both autistic coded and he helps teach them to love themselves like??? LIKE???? and with Masrur he literally points out that he can empathize so points for hyperempathy again. I’m loving how many magi characters have hyperempathy that is ultimately good. Bc it’s usually a weakness in character’s that have it.
Drakon: Honestly once again idek where to start when his entire development is deeply autistic coded but we’ll start with his backstory. So to start there’s the power imbalance between him and his (neurotypical) siblings. Whilst he is the youngest, I think that the reason that he’s unfavored in the family and is the one always catching shit is because he’s autistic. This is something that happens so often is that when an autistic child has allistic siblings the allistic one is favored or if not favored they definetely get treated better because autistic children are particularly vulnerable and easy to manipulate. With Drakon’s childhood, although again the circumstances in my case aren’t exactly the same, I really am seeing my past self.
He was from a young age branded as a prodigy, told he was already basically an adult even though he was still a child, and this is so common with autistic children who show a semblance of talent in something. However, he isn’t praised for this in a healthy encouraging way, instead he’s given the responsibilities and expectations of an adult already. In addition to that, he is conditioned to mask his autistic traits, in addition to being taught to devote his entire self to his cause. The fact that he internalized everything so deeply that he had a breakdown when he realized that he wasn’t wanting to die for his cause, that he thought he had to follow everything to the letter all the way down to his deepest feelings, is in my opinion an autistic trait as I showed exactly the same traits for other matters, internalizing things at the same intensity. He social scripts quite a bit, meaning that he has a strong sense of “this is how things SHOULD be so if they AREN’T this way then everything is in RUINS and we have to fix it IMMEDIATELY” he has the roles he’s been given and he strongly believes that everyone else has a role. This does become far more healthy once he’s unlearned the toxic things that he was taught but he still does it, but in a healthy way. Everyone has a role to fulfill, and he’s strict about this, when people aren’t doing what they’re supposed to be becomes irritable and struggles to keep functioning as normal.
Then there’s the fact that his entire development is learning as a teenager that he’s become a monster, literally in this case, learning that he is hated so much that he resolves to leave his humanity behind, only to gain love and acceptance and learn to love himself in the form that he takes. While I don’t think every monster is autistic coded (as that would be problematic for obvious reasons) developments like this resemble our experiences so well? It’s a perfect metaphor for what it’s like, honestly.
One reason I think that it’s important for me personally to acknowledge Drakon’s autistic coding is because he’s a strong leader and people think that autistic people cannot be leaders, that we’re incompetent. So to see a character with my traits be someone noble, to become king even, and to thrive is something super positive for me because again it’s something that people think we cannot do that we cannot have but we really can.
Leila, Sahsa, & Nadja: With these three it’s mostly projecting just because we don’t see enough of them for them to really be that autistic coded HOWEVER tis my blog and you get to hear all my hcs asdfgh. I like to hc these three as autistic 1. bc Leila and Sahsa’s relationship is beautiful, and to contextualize that as a romance between two autistic women is really nice for me who as I mentioned before struggles to ever see myself having a love like that. 2. Leila and Sahsa take to Morgiana and encourage growth in her and I like the idea of them helping her to relax a little on hiding her autistic traits. 3. Because as an autistic person it’s difficult for me to interpret characters as not autistic (where not autistic is other’s defaults for me autistic is the default, so it would be more accurate for me to say I have some allistic headcanons rather than autistic ones lmao) I actually started headcanoning Leila as autistic by accident because I wrote a fic where she had a shutdown (which is when there’s too much stimulants i.e sound or sights etc. and we have to go lay down and rest and shut out the stimulants that are bothering giving us sensory overload.) and was like oh!! Time to make both her and Sahsa autistic bc who’s gonna stop me lmao.
Also one headcanon I have for Nadja (in addition to her joining Leila and Sahsa’s caravan with her family) is that after Morgiana rescued her she developed a special interest in adventure and heroism which is really cute on one hand bc she always wants to learn stories of heroes from the locals of the places they visit and her parents are like aw she’s talkative sometimes! She’s making friends!!! But on the other hand she tags along on Leila and Sahsa’s “oops lmao just fought an entire band of thieves again” adventures and is that “Let me see what you have!” “A KNIFE!!” “NO!!!” vine so ahidfohg be careful u fuckin superb lil baby.
Myron: Hers is a bit shorter since we don’t have a whole lot of her in canon, but her strict following of perceived social standards and social scripting makes me headcanon her as autistic. I also like the idea of her being autistic because so often people think that we can’t be proper or socially conscious but more often than not we overcompensate, the deal is that we struggle to understand neurotypical social cues not that we hate socializing.
Titus: Oh man I shouldn’t have put him so far down on my muse list bc this one is going to be lengthy. There’s a reason whenever I info dump about my son to people that I always call him Autistic Gay Icon Titus Alexius.
I’ll start with the fact that he struggles in social settings, i.e Sphintus thinking he’s so fuckin awkward at first. (Even tho I hc Sphintus as autistic too but like I said autistic is the default for me ahidfg) He has a special interest in magic, evidently, and is very info dumpy about it as times (though not as much as notable autistic icons Yamuraiha and Ugo). Also his best friends are Sphintus and autistic adhd icon Aladdin so like. Convenient. that the three most autistic coded kids at school becomes besties. asdfgh. Also none of the 4 magi are allistic tbh.
ANYWAY that aside and glossing over the whole separation he feels from the others (which I could go into length but it’s similar to Drakon and Masrur’s and Hinahoho’s deal and this is getting so long already oof) can we just talk about how fucking POSITIVE his Hyper-Empathy is for his character and the story?
Okay so like. Let’s start with the 5th district, how after just a little while there he immediately jumped into action with LMAO TIME TO BLOW A HOLE IN THE SKY IM BUSTING EVERYONE OUT LADS. Like. Was it dumb? Yes. Was it noble and valid? YES! And he STILL SHOWED UP TO CLASS READY TO FIGHT THE NEXT DAY. He also tried to call out Mogamett how many times? And still stood his ground with the 5th district, even when Mogamett tried to manipulate him by saying he only cared out of his selfish desire to befriend Marga, he immediately analyzed himself critically and came to the conclusion that no, he really just wanted everyone there to be safe and happy.
Then, when he goes to Reim and Just. Hhhhhh HE’S SO GOOD. AND HE HAS SO MUCH EMPATHY. The fact that he immediately begins changing things, is firm in that, but his main motivation is that he so desperately wants everyone to be safe and to live happily, the fact that his people’s problems are by extension his own because he feels real pain when others feel it. That’s hyper empathy and though it’s something that can be manipulated he doesn’t let that happen, he uses it for good!
When he gives his speech about why they need to abolish slavery in Reim asap, he begins to cry and exclaims that any one of them could die tomorrow, that they need to priooritize the people that are in the now who are suffering that they have the power to help their people and to liberate their country and appeals to everyone’s emotions that way and breaks through. Also the other changes he makes?? Like making the Colosseum into a LARPing spot? That’s so fucking good? What a nerd? I love him????
I can go into more detail with Titus but for time reasons I won’t but. We stan Autistic Gay Icon Titus Alexius here.
If you read all of this I love you sm thank you for reading this rambly mess. ahdiogfg
#Outside Of Destiny《OOC》#this is so LONG#though none of the stuff under the cut is negative or a rant#it's just me rambling abt how valid all my autistic muses are#ahdifoghdfg#but anyway yes Im an autism if u don't like that like#sucks to be you I guess lmfao#saeiqas
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Just venting I need to get this out:I firmly believe that there are Key 6, not 5, players in ASOIAF. And Sansa is one of them. GRRM has himself named Sansa as one of his key protagonists (there were 6 in total inc Sansa) and also that Sansa,Arya and Bran's journeys were paramount for him. I know this subject has been done to death &I'm really sorry for imposing on you but yeah to me,based on all this,Sansa is one of the Key 6. (you dont have to post it. Just venting. Thanks for reading)
Hi! Sorry to bother you again. I’m the Key 6 players anon. You don’t have to post my initial ask. I know the whole thing has been done to death. I was just venting and getting it out of my system. I hope I didn;t offend. Thanks for understanding.
Hi Anonny!
Oh gosh please DON’T apologize, you didn’t offend me at all in the slightest! I am just slow af and take forever to answer things and am generally The Worst… But my Ask is always open for venting! Especially venting about people who don’t ~recognize, respect, and appreciate~ the Noble and Poetic Land Mermaid that is Sansa Stark.
Yeah, the Key Players debate does continue to be a kind of ~weird bone of contention~ in the fandom for some reason. I think (and like to hope) that a lot of the time when people talk about or make fanart for the Five Key Players, that they aren’t excluding Sansa or leaving her out maliciously. I think they might just be going off of, or wanting to acknowledge, the five main characters GRRM listed in his original outline for the series in 1993.
But you’re right, I have definitely seen people who insist that Sansa is not a main character or key player in the story, which simply isn’t true. GRRM even identified her as a main character himself in 2016:
I’d thought the whole story could be told in three books, and that it would take me three years to write them, a year per book. That picture was taken just a few weeks after I blew my first (bot not my last, oh no) deadline on the series. Ah, how innocent I was… little did that guy in the picture imagine that he would be spending most of the next two decades in the Seven Kingdoms of Westeros with Tyrion, Daenerys, Arya, Sansa, Jon Snow, Bran, and all the rest. (x)
And even if GRRM’s word alone weren’t enough, Sansa’s character is vastly different from how she was originally planned. In the original outline GRRM basically had the Arya character involved in plot lines that now belong to Arya, Sansa, and Meera Reed (homegirl would have been BUSY AF); and the original Sansa character was basically who we would now identify as Margaery Tyrell if you are looking for a comparison. The original Sansa character ended up marrying Joffrey and bearing him a son and then choosing him over her family and ultimately paying the price. It was always ~super obvious~ to me that GRRM figured out that it just wasn’t going to be logistically possible to have the Arya character do everything she needed to do. I mean she was basically going to have to be in a minimum of two places at once: fleeing North beyond the wall with Bran AND in KL/WF getting entangled in a love triangle with Jon and Tyrion. So he ended up splitting and then modifying Arya’s storylines for the characters we now know as Arya, Sansa, and Meera.
The Sansy Pants as we now know (and love) her does start out a lot like the original Sansa, with dreams of marrying the prince and having his babies ect. She also does play a big part in what some people see as the betrayal and downfall of her family. But unlike the Sansa in the original outline, our Sansa learns. Her observations and inner dialogue become more and more keen and shrewd and move further and further away from the romantic fantasies and naivety that characterized her original POV. The romantic and fanciful AGoT!Sansa does make appearances throughout the series as Sansa wistfully, and sometimes resentfully, recalls the girl she used to be. But AGoT!Sansa’s memory is consistently suppressed and rejected in favor of a sharper, smarter, more cunning, and more guarded perspective (She hasn’t left her romanticism behind completely though as we know, just like she hasn’t forgotten her true identity. She is still Sansa Stark; “Lord Eddard’s daughter and Lady Catelyn’s, the blood of Winterfell”).
If anything, this proves to me she’s going to be a Key Player and central to the story’s endgame. Like her siblings Sansa has lived through extreme atrocities and incredible adversity and come out the other side stronger and smarter, but still kind an noble. And like Bran has been honing his supernatural abilities and Arya has been honing her physical abilities, Sansa has been honing her own intellectual abilities. Her growing political savvy and transition from Pawn to Player is incredibly similar to Bran’s growing confidence in his magical abilities. Just like Bran is gradually becoming one of the central characters for the magical endgame of the series, Sansa is transitioning into her role as a key player in the pragmatic and political endgame of the series.
And going along with that, I think another reason people have a hard time believing that Sansa is going to be a Key Player is because she isn’t magical. All the other five Key Players (Bran, Arya, Jon, Dany, and Tyrion) have some sort of magical ability that’s central to their arc. Whether it’s dragon riding or blood magic or warging or being brought back from the dead, they all have some sort of magical skill and/or experience. There is, of course, the fact that Sansa could have been a warg or a skin changer, but her ability to do so essentially died with Lady. But honestly I think that’s kind of beside the point…
In the end I don’t think it matters that Sansa doesn’t have any significant magical abilities, because I don’t think GRRM is trying to write a story solely about magic where the magical storylines and characters are the only important ones. I think he is more writing a story that is set in a world where magic exists. ASoIaF isn’t divided into magical storylines vs. political storylines, the two co-exist and are of equal importance. Whether you want to view ASoIaF as a political world where there’s magic or a magical world where there’s politics, it still stands to reason that the lives of the characters are going to be affected by both. Just like the magically inclined Dany is driven by royal aspirations and entangled in political endeavors, the politically savvy Sansa does interact with and has been affected by magic.
Both these things occur simply based on the fact that both exist and are pervasive over arching themes in the universe GRRM has created. Even though Sansa doesn’t have any obvious magical skills like Arya and Jon, she has interacted with magic and it has been a prevalent theme in her arc. Here are just a few examples:
The name Sansa actually means “invocation and charm” in Sanskrit. And while yes, this could just be a play on words with Sansa’s power to charm others, it gets brought up again in he advices Petyr gives her to seduce Harry the Heir: “Charm him. Entrance him. Bewitch him.” Seduction is described here like a spell.
The Ghost of High Heart Prophecy- “I dreamt a wolf howling in the rain, but no one heard his grief. I dreamt such a clangor I thought my head might burst, drums and horns and pipes and screams, but the saddest sound was the little bells. I dreamt of a maid at a feast with purple serpents in her hair, venom dripping from their fangs. And later I dreamt that maid again, slaying a savage giant in a castle built of snow.” The bolded part is pretty clearly speaking of Sansa at Joffrey’s wedding. The purple serpents in her hair with blood dripping from their veins is referring to the silver hair net with purple amethysts given to Sansa by the Tyrells which they used to smuggle poison into the wedding feast. The “serpents in her hair” also really strongly parallels the myth of Medusa, who could turn men to stone with just one look.
The smallfolk also talk about Sansa and the Purple Wedding in terms of magic and legend when telling the story to Arya and The Hound: “The northern girl. Winterfell’s daughter. We heard she killed the king with a spell, and afterward changed into a wolf with big leather wings like a bat, and flew out a tower window.” (Arya XII, ASoS) Not only do they say Sansa preforms a spell, but also that she skin-changes into a bat-wolf, all references to the dark arts.
The remaining direwolves often think of think of “the sister they had lost”, which is obviously Lady. And it’s significant that because Sansa lost Lady, her brothers can’t track her the way they do their other siblings. This indicates that there is in fact a magical bond/connection between each Stark and their wolf allowing them to connect with and track each other as a pack, and that with Lady’s death Sansa’s magical connection was severed.
GRRM has also explicitly stated that all the Stark children have warging abilities: “[On whether the trait of being a warg ran in the Stark family] I don’t know if I want to get into genetics - this is fantasy, not scifi… I don’t think this is necessarily a ‘Stark’ ability, though all the children have it to one extent or another. They also realize it to one extent or another.’
Her presence in Bran’s dream in AGoT (Bran III) where she is surrounded by shadows, each representing characters she has and possibly will interact with (The Hound, Jaime Lannister, and possibly Robert Strong)- “One shadow was dark as ash, with the terrible face of a hound. Another was armored like the sun, golden and beautiful. Over them both loomed a giant in armor made of stone, but when he opened his visor, there was nothing inside but darkness and thick black blood.”
Maggy’s Prophecy- Sansa is also potentially the “younger and more beautiful” queen in Maggy the Frog’s prophecy about Cersei. And while she might not ~actually~ end up being the younger and more beautiful queen, Cersei believes she could. This is significant because it shapes Sansa and Cersei relationship and fuels Cersei’s hatred of Sansa from the first time they meet. It’s the same reason Cersei hates Margaery, they are a threat not only to “all she holds dear” but also to her power.
SO tl;dr Sansa Stark is ~important af~ and DEFINITELY a Key Player in ASoIaF. I know you already knew this haha, but just take comfort in the fact that there is a gd mountain of evidence against anyone who claims differently. So they can just sit there in their Wrongness and be Wrong :)
#thank you for the question anon!#i hope this helped :)#asoiaf for ts#got for ts#sansa stark#george r.r. martin#IN THIS HOUSE WE LOVE AND APPRECIATE SANSA STARK#alys answers#scheduled*#my queue has turned to porcelain to ivory to steel#anonymous#alys meta
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December 21st, 2017 CTP Archive
The archive for the Comic Tea Party chat that occurred on December 21st, 2017, from 5PM - 7PM PST. The chat focused on Legendary Beings Ara & Celi by NAAN.
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✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨
Good day everyone~! This week’s Comic Tea Party is now officially beginning. Today we are discussing Legendary Beings Ara & Celi by NAAN~! (https://tapas.io/series/AraandCeli) For those new to CTP, discussions about the comic are freeform, so please feel free to bring up whatever you wish. However, every 30 minutes I will be dropping in a discussion question to help those who would like a prompt. These questions are totally OPTIONAL to answer so pay them no mind if you wish~! Remember, constructive criticism is allowed, but the primary focus here is to have fun and appreciate the amazing comics that the community makes~! Each chat a top comment will be picked and featured on an ad for this chat, so let’s have a great discussion~!
With that said, let us begin with this first question~!
QUESTION 1. What is your favorite scene in the comic so far and why?
🎄🌟Draco ⭐ Plato 🌟🎄
I thought the opening was pretty strong since it started with a lot of tension
made me excited to see where that was going to lead up to
snuffysam
The opening scene was a really strong hook, agreed.
🎄🌟Draco ⭐ Plato 🌟🎄
hook! yeah that's the word for it
NAAN
slips in here, nobody notice me vibrating
✨Tenor✨
-Flops on NAAN!- :D
Superjusting of ✨Time🕑&Space☄✨
OLLEH
snuffysam
NAAN alert!
hey everyone!
Superjusting of ✨Time🕑&Space☄✨
hai
🎄🌟Draco ⭐ Plato 🌟🎄
hiiiii NAAN~!
✨Tenor✨
UUUGH I don't have a fav sceeeeene. I've pretty much enjoyed the whole trip so far x3
✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨
yeah the opening scene was definitely very interesting. especially in terms of scale because when looking back in retrospect you can see the difference in terms of epicness? i cant think of a good word
Superjusting of ✨Time🕑&Space☄✨
Yeah, the art style is really something
NAAN
Hello, hello!
✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨
*notices no vibrating lives in blissful ignorance *
Superjusting of ✨Time🕑&Space☄✨
Hi there!
Kabocha
I'm gonna agree with Draco! The opening scene was my favorite so far -- mostly because Angels vs Demons is often pretty cool
Superjusting of ✨Time🕑&Space☄✨
Great to see ya @NAAN(edited)
And yeah, that opening was spectaculat
Kabocha
also, I really got very curious about the nature of Ara and Celi themselves, so I'm looking forward to finding out more about them. (They're both intriguing and a little scary...)
Superjusting of ✨Time🕑&Space☄✨
That scene of everyone doing battle in outer space
NAAN
screams on all these thoughts so far
snuffysam
I think the opening scene also helps bring the other scenes up- because while you're reading through the comic, the thought that this sort of scene may happen again in the future is always in the background.
NAAN
"Intriguing and scary" - this made me laugh so hard
Superjusting of ✨Time🕑&Space☄✨
is this character's art style intentional
MathTans the Pun Prince
Hello. ^^ I think my fave was actually when Ara said that Miyara wasn't a chosen one, this is just the way things happened to turn out.
NAAN
MY FAVE PANEL
snuffysam
I love when the art style changes like that. really shows that sort of emotion
Superjusting of ✨Time🕑&Space☄✨
yes
snuffysam
@MathTans the Pun Prince that was an incredible line, yeah
MathTans the Pun Prince
I like how the art style stays that way until Miyara comes to terms with her emotion.
NAAN
I do that on purpose @snuffysam, so that makes me happy to hear(edited)
✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨
@math yes definitely i have to say that is my fave scene actually. i really like how the toning was used and it had a spectacular atmosphere
Superjusting of ✨Time🕑&Space☄✨
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snuffysam
the most recent scene, where ara is explaining miyara's role, is also a strong contender for the best
Kabocha
I am extremely curious to find out what exactly Miyara did in the past to Ara, though. "Surely you don't expect me to forget what she did then!" Gyaaaaaaaaaaaah, I'm expecting something sordid
Superjusting of ✨Time🕑&Space☄✨
I wish I had found out about this comic sooner
Do you plan on returnnig to it someday, NAAN?
I'd love to share live updates of the comic as new pages are rolled out
NAAN
@MathTans the Pun Prince one of my favorite lines to write. And it was a new edit too. I'd written something else previously.
MathTans the Pun Prince
Oh, cool. Interesting how these edits can play into things.
Maybe it happened during one of her supposed blackouts?
(The thing that was done in the past I mean.)
NAAN
Oh yes, I will be returning to it once I graduate in May! It's on hiatus bc of grad school, and that + insanity of graphic design makes for no comics.
Kabocha
aaaaaaaaaaaaaa grad school. D: D: D:
snuffysam
real life always finds a way to butt its head into comics (edited)
🎄🌟Draco ⭐ Plato 🌟🎄
yis :<
sorry if i get distracted, i'm lining a page atm too
MathTans the Pun Prince
Related to the blackouts, the dad's a cool character.
NAAN
@Kabocha and @MathTans the Pun Prince your questions are related -- no spoilers but a hint: the blackouts are related, but it didn't happen during
🎄🌟Draco ⭐ Plato 🌟🎄
yeah, i liked her dad a lot too
he was different than i expected, in a good way
MathTans the Pun Prince
He had stealth skillz.
🎄🌟Draco ⭐ Plato 🌟🎄
and i liked that she cared about his well being
Kabocha
oh, also, this page amused me too:
NAAN
also @Superjusting of ✨Time🕑&Space☄✨ the screenshots you posted, I find it enlightening and heartwarming (for me) -- because I'd submitted the comic to a collective once, and most people HATED those XD
✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨
i liked how he just shrugged to the fact she stayed home from school XD
NAAN
also, fujiro is a lot of fun to write ad you will definitely see more of him ; ))))
Superjusting of ✨Time🕑&Space☄✨
lol
XD
🎄🌟Draco ⭐ Plato 🌟🎄
yaaaay~!
MathTans the Pun Prince
I'm guessing when he has his somewhat scary wife to deal with, he takes things in stride.
NAAN
also yes @Superjusting of ✨Time🕑&Space☄✨ those panels were intentional. (sorry I missed this question, so many comments brEEZING)
Superjusting of ✨Time🕑&Space☄✨
XD
✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨
thats mean math. that is clearly best wife. O_O how can you not like the waifu?
Superjusting of ✨Time🕑&Space☄✨
we need more sudden/funny art shifts
cause I feel like they work when done right
NAAN
the panel that Kabocha posted, can you all read the tiny text? I've always worried you can't see that
Kabocha
yeah, it's readable on my computer
MathTans the Pun Prince
Heh. I dunno. She has strange vibes, even the friend picked up on that.
snuffysam
not at the scale discord shows for thumbnails, but if I click it I can read it yes
MathTans the Pun Prince
What snuffy said, aye.
Superjusting of ✨Time🕑&Space☄✨
lo
🎄🌟Draco ⭐ Plato 🌟🎄
yeah I can read it~!
NAAN
oh good! it's meant to be small, hehe. i've been going through the pages today for future lettering edits and that was one of them
especially for print
✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨
yeah the tiny text is readable even on my tiny screen
NAAN
i'm a huge believer in shifting the art between humorous / dramatic, just because it lightens the tension. like a small break before continuing
✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨
yes i agree it can definitely be used to lighten the tension for sure
🎄🌟Draco ⭐ Plato 🌟🎄
hahah, it reminds me of old school clamp
that technique
NAAN
old school clamp was a huge influence on wee bab NAAN (edited)
MathTans the Pun Prince
I'm kind of bad for noticing techniques. ^.^
Superjusting of ✨Time🕑&Space☄✨
heehee
🎄🌟Draco ⭐ Plato 🌟🎄
yeah, i love old school clamp~
snuffysam
oh yeah, i guess it is kind of clamp-y
NAAN
I got something related to the waifu~ exclusive, 2nd chapter back cover for the printed edition
Superjusting of ✨Time🕑&Space☄✨
OMG
🎄🌟Draco ⭐ Plato 🌟🎄
lol omg XD
Superjusting of ✨Time🕑&Space☄✨
Cute!
✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨
thats is adorable~!
NAAN
may be quiet now, feels like she's derailing the entire discussion(edited)
✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨
nah dont worry about it. sometimes it happens cause i think most ppl are multitasking at the same time.
i wanna say i really like how wyda(sp?) looks. like of all the things in the comic that struck me as the most clamp like
but in the good way of course
where i got all nostalgic
MathTans the Pun Prince
I'm so bad with names too. ^.^
NAAN
;w; sniffs
wyda is an extremely new character to the cast, compared to the others. I created her recently when I realized some parts of the story needed reworking
Superjusting of ✨Time🕑&Space☄✨
lol
I'm kind abad with names as well
NAAN
she ended up being a good foil for ara imo, when I wrote her voice separately
snuffysam
Did you redo old pages at some point, or are you just referring to scripting things?
NAAN
so she stay wyda, u stay
re: wyda, I mean script. HOWEVER, save for the last...3 pages of the first chapter, that was entirely redone
Superjusting of ✨Time🕑&Space☄✨
gonna go afk for a bit to respond to some friends in pm
Kabocha
So, how is her name pronounced? for some reason I was imagining Wyda's name to be pronounced as "Vida"(edited)
NAAN
originally hosted it on comic genesis, and when I moved to comicdish, I just decded to redo them.
some of the pages even then, were redone for the print edition
let me show you
snuffysam
and I think you're working on a new site too, iirc?
NAAN
some of the old ones on comicdish before I edited/redid them for the print version (later the actual official thing, christ so many edits)
Yep! I am, hosted at ac.jadinerhinestudios.com (I goofed up in domain registrations, so it's a subdomain for now) @snuffysam People are helping me with the code for it, haha(edited)
snuffysam
cool! yeah, whatever works, ha ha.
NAAN
@Kabocha Her name comes from a part of a classmate's name, so Wee-dah. (Or Wí-dah)
✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨
QUESTION 2. Though reluctant and rather unwilling, Miyara accepts her destiny and chooses to become one of Ara’s “bodies.” How do you think these new powers will affect Miyara’s life? Will everything go back to the way it was (relatively speaking) or will she, as was ominously mention, lose things she once had? What about her “episodes” that cause her to violently punch her father? Will she be over them or will they continue? What are her episodes anyway and do they relate to her status as one of Ara’s chosen?
NAAN
oh snap, it's a goodie
🎄🌟Draco ⭐ Plato 🌟🎄
you know what's hard about this is that we didn't really see much of her life before
so we don't have much to compare it to
so we'd have to mostly make assumptions based on the little bit we do know that what comes from here after is new
MathTans the Pun Prince
Well, she seems to have lost her ability to dream with this, that's an interesting side effect. I feel like Miyara will TRY to have everything the way it was, even though she can't, which will cause issues.
snuffysam
It was an interesting choice that the "episodes" weren't even mentioned until after the museum scene...
MathTans the Pun Prince
As to the episodes thing, I feel like that's not linked to the chosen thing directly. Might play a role in having her somewhere she doesn't remember going.
Her dad could also have been joking? Like, it's a bit of an odd time to bring that up. Or maybe dad can sense what's going on, that's why he said it?
Kabocha
I think Miyara's screwed. (lol) I think it was mentioned in Ch3/World 3 that Miyara's episodes are related to how her powers aren't like, fully bound to her quite yet? So she's not in a good position as a human, magical girl, or incarnation of an angel's power. SUCKS TO BE YOU MIYARA.
🎄🌟Draco ⭐ Plato 🌟🎄
lolol
✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨
i wonder if her episodes are actually dreams tho? cause what if they arent full dreams so keep happening
🎄🌟Draco ⭐ Plato 🌟🎄
I was thinking maybe they were memories of her past life or something
MathTans the Pun Prince
Oy, what if she has dreams but they're not really dreams. o.O
Kabocha
The impression I got is that Miyara's human life will basically be subsumed by her life as Ara's servant -- but interestingly, the key that she was given in ch 3 seems to have both an angel and a demon wing...? o_o Is Miyara the link between Ara and Celi somehow?
MathTans the Pun Prince
Why wouldn't Celi want there to be a link then? What with the killing and all.
snuffysam
So far, it seems this magical girl stuff has only made Miyara's life worse. Will it eventually get better when she fully fills that role?
Kabocha
Because if there's a link between her and Ara, that means something's going to be pulled into balance, maybe?
or at least, that's what I would assume. Things seem to be off kilter between Ara and Celi themselves. And Celi's kind of nuts.
Superjusting of ✨Time🕑&Space☄✨
Indeed
MathTans the Pun Prince
I feel like Miyara's life was a little off the wall in the first place. Perversely, this might calm her down, giving her an outlet for her more crazy side.
🎄🌟Draco ⭐ Plato 🌟🎄
yeah~
true~!
MathTans the Pun Prince
Celi needs a hug.
(I don't think Miyara will be in the mood to give her one.)
Superjusting of ✨Time🕑&Space☄✨
Relievant
Kabocha
Miyara will probably try to kill Celi as payback lol But Celi will then be like "Nope, listen, you can't pay attention to Ara, she's not as good as you think she is. Either you go along with me (since you're no longer easy to kill), or I'll basically make sure your life ends horribly right here."
...also maybe I'm starting down the path to crack theories.
MathTans the Pun Prince
That's a bit of a contradiction though, if she's not easy to kill and ending her life.
Maybe someone should take out a new life insurance policy.
Kabocha
Nah, it'd be an empty threat.
Superjusting of ✨Time🕑&Space☄✨
lol Math
Kabocha
'cause if Miyara still is in the dark about a lot of stuff, Celi would then have that on her side.
Superjusting of ✨Time🕑&Space☄✨
Have comics ever delt with insurance before?
MathTans the Pun Prince
Does Celi need bodies too, maybe? Or did she at some time in the past, and it went badly, so she's jealous...?
snuffysam
Maybe she's trying to get by without them
NAAN
(bad cell camera, but couldn't resist)
snuffysam
lol NICE
✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨
nah celi is evil. evil sustains you O_O
MathTans the Pun Prince
Heh, nice.
Superjusting of ✨Time🕑&Space☄✨
I love it @NAAN XD
MathTans the Pun Prince
Ara respects Celi still though. Why respect evil...?
🎄🌟Draco ⭐ Plato 🌟🎄
cause there has to be balance in the force
✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨
maybe its also sort of villain respect. you know when like arch rivals are like "ah yes this is a worthy opponent"
Kabocha
Celi tried to rebel against the creator in the beginning. So it's easy enough to say that Celi is EXTREMELY powerful. Maybe that's part of what makes Celi crazy though.
Ara had to split herself into different bodies, while Celi kept it all in.
✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨
oh thats definitely an interesting theory
that they started the same but couldnt handle all dat power
snuffysam
maybe keeping all your power inside you makes you stronger, but it's a riskier move somehow
Kabocha
That could also be why Ara has some level of respect for Celi -- they were once the same.
🎄🌟Draco ⭐ Plato 🌟🎄
i like that theory
Superjusting of ✨Time🕑&Space☄✨
Me too
Kabocha
OR you shouldn't disrespect something that powerful, because that means you're gonna get cocky and THEY WILL KILL YOU FOR SURE
MathTans the Pun Prince
Hmm! I like that theory. Celi just needs to let it all out... maybe she can't? Maybe that's why she doesn't like Ara, she got the shorter end of the stick?
✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨
or maybe ara is just nice and is fond of respect, politeness, and good manners
which is why miyara is clearly her mortal enemy in that respect
MathTans the Pun Prince
Heh. Gotta teach Miyara table manners in Book 4.
The loss of temper felt realistic. Also shows that Ara has flaws and a breaking point.
🎄🌟Draco ⭐ Plato 🌟🎄
yeah~
NAAN
so many theories, so many good ones
MathTans the Pun Prince
(All of them wrong, but good theories. )
snuffysam
just because a theory is completely bonkers doesn't mean it isn't good
Kabocha
Indeed. :'3
🎄🌟Draco ⭐ Plato 🌟🎄
they said allah at one point, i was wondering if there's an islam backing to the story or if that was them capturing several religions in one invocation
Kabocha
Well, Celi did ask "Which creator" at the start, didn't she?
snuffysam
I think there were multiple religions referenced on that page
Kabocha
(sorry I've now decided CELI IS MY FAVORITE)
Superjusting of ✨Time🕑&Space☄✨
i'm gonna do some stuff AFK, if I don't make it back in time thanks for having me!
snuffysam
see ya!
🎄🌟Draco ⭐ Plato 🌟🎄
bye super~!
Superjusting of ✨Time🕑&Space☄✨
Bye-Bye!
🎄🌟Draco ⭐ Plato 🌟🎄
yeah, it seemed to be a mixture of religions~ they mentioned jinns too
in one of the invocations
NAAN
@Superjusting of ✨Time🕑&Space☄✨ thank you for coming and for all your feedback!
Superjusting of ✨Time🕑&Space☄✨
You're welcome! It was great checking out your comic @NAAN
Cute illustration too X3
✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨
i actually enjoyed that is referenced a mixture of religions. it made it a lot more interesting to me and made me want to know how everything works together. like whats the worlds explanation for tying them all together
🎄🌟Draco ⭐ Plato 🌟🎄
yeah I enjoy the mixture feeling as well
MathTans the Pun Prince
OMG, NAAN, you drew something that fast? O.o
NAAN
I can sketch stuff like this pretty quickly XD
MathTans the Pun Prince
I's impressed.
🎄🌟Draco ⭐ Plato 🌟🎄
was curious what the inspiration behind the religious portions of the story were~
NAAN
so long as I don't pay attention to proportions, though lmao
oh! this I can answer, it's not necessarily a huge spoiler i've said it to some people, but I'd really like to try to interpret/show how different religions interpret the idea of an angel + devil (or other beings like the jinn)
like how angels in Buddhism are called dakini -- skydancers
cue the show opening for skydancers the toy(edited)
🎄🌟Draco ⭐ Plato 🌟🎄
oooh~ that's really neat
NAAN
i want to try showing diff religions through that too, but that's a slight back seat haha. too epic for me
🎄🌟Draco ⭐ Plato 🌟🎄
hahah that'll keep me reading to see how you incorporate the different ideologies
Kabocha
bwahahahahaha
MathTans the Pun Prince
Mmm, that's interesting. Ambitious.
snuffysam
so essentially these characters are beings that were interpreted by different religions and cultures throughout history?
NAAN
most of them are my own take/understanding, some may be the literal interpretation by diff religions and cultures, yes ^^ (the latter because sometimes you just have to, especially when it's a religion that has had bare representation)
like
water angels are going to be punk aesthetics
and they won't subscribe to one religion, it's p "whatever mang"
snuffysam
oh ok, cool
🎄🌟Draco ⭐ Plato 🌟🎄
religious mythos is pretty untapped beyond christianity in western stories so it'll be nice to see something that uses a broader scale(edited)
NAAN
@Kabocha good celi go౦ԁ cEli thats some goodceli rightthere rightthere if i do ƽaү so my self i say so thats what im talking about right there right there (chorus: ʳᶦᵍʰᵗ ᵗʰᵉʳᵉ) mMMMMᎷМ НO0ОଠOOOOOОଠଠOoooᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒ Good shiz
snuffysam
lol next question time
✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨
QUESTION 3. Ara mentions that she needs 11 bodies to survive. Will we meet these other bodies in some form (whether flashback, astral projection, etc.)? If so, what do you think they’re like? If you don’t think they’ll meet, why not? Speaking of bodies, who is Samsa? Is it Miyara? Somehow Miyara and not Miyara? Is it someone else entirely?
the question was summoned
NAAN
@🎄🌟Draco ⭐ Plato 🌟🎄 yep! that's what I'd like to do, since even I get bored XD;;
✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨
spooky finger wave
MathTans the Pun Prince
Were the other bodies even human, necessarily?
🎄🌟Draco ⭐ Plato 🌟🎄
w
snuffysam
@MathTans the Pun Prince you mean, like, one's a dog?
NAAN
an example of some of the water punk angels, sans wings
snuffysam
cute!
🎄🌟Draco ⭐ Plato 🌟🎄
oooooh, they look bad ass~!
MathTans the Pun Prince
Yeah, or a dolphin or something. Like, we're not the only intelligence on the planet.
✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨
those are some awesome designs
snuffysam
i mean that's a possibility. i feel like most of the other bodies are probably human though.
Kabocha
Also ooh, I like the punk angels!
MathTans the Pun Prince
Extending a little less then, would they be female?
snuffysam
hmm that's a trickier one to answer
the prototypical magical girl leagues are typically filled with... like... girls
✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨
im curious about the fact that when wyda came ara mentioned something about having trouble "with the one here ." so does that mean that theyre in different cities? different times? other planets
snuffysam
but I suppose there's nothing saying a boy can't be one of them
MathTans the Pun Prince
And would they also be as young as Miyara? Like, maybe one was an 80 year old woman. And she's passed away, hence why we might not be meeting her.
bends all the rules
NAAN
nyuck nyuck
@snuffysam there's a hint in my DA gallery
MathTans the Pun Prince
It might be fun to meet some ghosts.
snuffysam
the story's themes are pretty multicultural as far as the mystical beings go, yet so far we've stuck to Japan for the human side. so I'm thinking the other bodies will be from other countries.
✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨
i would be really interested in seeing an 80 year old magical angel girl XD
MathTans the Pun Prince
Miyara did have that one panel where she was old and missing her juice.
🎄🌟Draco ⭐ Plato 🌟🎄
me too XD
80yr old magical girl for the win
snuffysam
I suppose if the magical girls get old and die eventually, that explains why Ara needed a new one right now?
🎄🌟Draco ⭐ Plato 🌟🎄
but do we know for sure they age
✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨
idk if they get old. im unclear but it kind of sounds like theyre giving up their physical bodies for a higher purpose
Kabocha
They might not live long enough
snuffysam
true true. that could be one of the things Miyara loses
MathTans the Pun Prince
They live long enough to get new threads.
🎄🌟Draco ⭐ Plato 🌟🎄
they're really just energy dolls that get eaten
you are my eleven energy pod meals
Kabocha
See, this is why we should deal with celi instead
MathTans the Pun Prince
At least with her, you know where you stand?
(In front of a firing squad?)
✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨
im getting suspicious that Kabocha is trying to bring us to the dark side
🎄🌟Draco ⭐ Plato 🌟🎄
kabo must like the dark side
as long as it's not an angels vs. demon where the demons are right story
MathTans the Pun Prince
Hah! NAAN, you're hilarious.
Also, so fast.
Kabocha
Hey, I don't trust Ara very much. I'll trust Celi, who wants to kill everyone instead. At least we know where she stands
✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨
to be fair i dont trust ara that much either. i feel ara is very much a use them and lose them sort of person cause omg higher purpose yadda yadda yadda
not to say i think celi is right, just i imagine theres a little bit of ara sucks as motivation
MathTans the Pun Prince
Ara is, I think, not used to pushback.
🎄🌟Draco ⭐ Plato 🌟🎄
yeah i don't trust ara either
ara seems too high strung and emotional to be logically rational
snuffysam
But Miyara could be the one to change her ways
MathTans the Pun Prince
(Maybe that's why she picked Miyara on some level. She needs someone to challenge her.)
snuffysam
exactly
MathTans the Pun Prince
wavelengths
As far as Samsa goes, I think that's a type of fried food. Or possibly the person Miyara turns into when she has episodes.
(Episodes when she craves fried foods.)
✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨
the impression i get is samsa was a past life or something
🎄🌟Draco ⭐ Plato 🌟🎄
i was confused by the samsa thing
snuffysam
maybe she
🎄🌟Draco ⭐ Plato 🌟🎄
but my assumption is that i'm meant to be at this point
snuffysam
's the 80yr old who died
that Miyara is replacing
Kabocha
I feel like Celi's been slowly destroying Ara's spare bodies.
✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨
if thats the case why cant celi touch miyara now as ara stated?
Kabocha
but if Ara is the Universe. And she has multiple bodies... does that make each body a parallel universe?
MathTans the Pun Prince
Hm, maybe Samsa is a past life, and that's what Miyara's reliving when she has episodes.
NAAN
whispers into the wind 'there's a hint in chapter three ~re: samsa~
tiny
MathTans the Pun Prince
Haaha, now I want to see all the characters in short shorts.
NAAN
they can be more comfortable than a short dress, that's for sure 8'D
🎄🌟Draco ⭐ Plato 🌟🎄
samsa is the beetle?(edited)
Kabocha
"I am the obscure object of desire, that which gods eye; my unkown origin I am she of transcendence I am she of dirt I contain the knowledge of Good and Evil but she has allowed the Living God ---"
🎄🌟Draco ⭐ Plato 🌟🎄
"The Egyptian god Khepri, Ra as the rising sun, was often depicted as a scarab beetle"
is it related to that, lol
MathTans the Pun Prince
(When I do an image search on "samsa", I still just get fried food. Maybe it thinks I typed "samosa".)
Kabocha
I actually thought "Samsa" was short for "Samsara"
✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨
oh good
🎄🌟Draco ⭐ Plato 🌟🎄
oh noice~!
✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨
i thought i was the only one who thought samsara XD
NAAN
@🎄🌟Draco ⭐ Plato 🌟🎄 no beetles involved, sadly
✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨
when i saw samsa
NAAN
cockroaches though
🎄🌟Draco ⭐ Plato 🌟🎄
I kept thinking of samson
shot
Kabocha
:'3
🎄🌟Draco ⭐ Plato 🌟🎄
tear for no beetles
NAAN
dedication in reading and transcribing what it says on page 3, Kabocha XD
Kabocha
You hide stuff in little details
>:3 so it's a good hunt
MathTans the Pun Prince
Check behind the fridge.
NAAN
nah, that's where fujiro's hiding from nonka
🎄🌟Draco ⭐ Plato 🌟🎄
lolol
✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨
i dont think theres a lot of space behind the fridge for that O_O
MathTans the Pun Prince
You're not thinking 5th dimensionally. (That's where all the other bodies are, in the 5th dimension.)
✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨
ah i see my mistake XD
so i wonder what this promise samsa made was O_O that miyara cant escape
like the slavery promise
the i hate celi too promise
MathTans the Pun Prince
The you can have my first born child promise.
🎄🌟Draco ⭐ Plato 🌟🎄
looooooooool
make them babies
MathTans the Pun Prince
smol Celi?
🎄🌟Draco ⭐ Plato 🌟🎄
thinking teen preg is highly improbable in this XD
MathTans the Pun Prince
Art Gallery is not the best place to pick up guys.
🎄🌟Draco ⭐ Plato 🌟🎄
d'aaaaaw
Kabocha
The art gallery is a good way to pick up incarnations of oneself though
and targets for murder.
MathTans the Pun Prince
"Oh look, I'm in that painting of 50 years ago. ... ... Waaaaait."
🎄🌟Draco ⭐ Plato 🌟🎄
it's like that episode of yugioh
✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨
ah these are super cute pics~!
QUESTION 4. The comic opens showing a war between Celi and Ara. While it’s implied that Ara won the battle, what exactly happened is unclear. What do you think the spell that stopped Celi was? What was the war about/what exactly are Celi’s goal? Who is Celi to Ara? Why has Celi returned only now?(edited)
🎄🌟Draco ⭐ Plato 🌟🎄
yus ;3;
i assumed it was a good vs. evil battle
MathTans the Pun Prince
Could be chaos vs order. Maybe Celi wants to sow chaos.
Kabocha
At first, yeah, I was like, "ooh, Lucifer analogue"
but if it's chaos vs order, then Celi and Ara are inextricably linked :3
ONE CANNOT EXIST WITHOUT THE OTHER
🎄🌟Draco ⭐ Plato 🌟🎄
maybe
it's inside someone's head
the inner battle of the mind
MathTans the Pun Prince
Maybe the goal is to devour the other and have one being for both then.
(I make up weird theories a lot.)
✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨
tbh i was leaning towards celi is trying to destory the system and isnt a fan of the ara angel thing and the servant stuff. and celi just mad cause she somehow feels used.
🎄🌟Draco ⭐ Plato 🌟🎄
aaaaah yeah that's my leaning as well
because that's generally what i assume with angels vs demons
NAAN
(aw man, they're inversed. oh wELL)
✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨
lol omg XDXD
MathTans the Pun Prince
I want to believe. ^.^
✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨
i wonder where celi has been this whole time
cause i wouldve assumed imprisoned but ara seemed surprised
well not surprised
but definitely didnt have a concrete when
MathTans the Pun Prince
That's a good question. Why not attack Miyara when she was younger and less able to defend herself? I don't think they exist out of time...
Kabocha
Celi shows up when she wants.
But tbh I think she's more likely to show up where/when Ara exists
✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨
great now all i can picture is celi sitting back and talking about how everyone needs to chill out and how time is a construct of man to control ppl and how the sheeple need to wake up
Kabocha
see, I was imagining something more... Cartman like
"Screw you guys, I do what I want!"
MathTans the Pun Prince
Celi's been on the talk show circuit.
✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨
hmm but back more on track, is it possible that by ara scoping out miyara that somehow summoned celi in and of itself. cause they both get a fair shot at the bodies.
🎄🌟Draco ⭐ Plato 🌟🎄
i don't think celi actually wants her dead
✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨
and so it goes like Ara: Ah man you killed the body this time. Celi: I know right. Well see you next century. Good luck~!
🎄🌟Draco ⭐ Plato 🌟🎄
but to use her
MathTans the Pun Prince
Could be. Actually, does Celi have minions? Why take action when you can send underlings?
Maybe the underlings failed? (All they did was make her eat lots of buns.)
Kabocha
Celi prefers to do things herself. ;3
besides, why share the power. It's so much better in one body
MathTans the Pun Prince
Celi originally wanted her dead. Unless that was all an act to get her in Ara's clutches. O.o
✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨
idk tho cause in that opening scene it kind of seemed multiple ppl were fighting each other vs. attacking just celi
MathTans the Pun Prince
(The big twist is they've been working together the whole time...)
"So the plan is I attack, you save her, you get the body, I get the soul?"
NAAN
( having too much fun with these, let me know if it gets annoying though )
reads and still vibrates in the meantime
MathTans the Pun Prince
OMG, not annoying at all. You're so good.
Also, I know my theory doesn't really hold water because of the whole transformation thing. ^.^
NAAN
I like everyone's theories for celi's purpose especially. She does have a good reason....( of course i think it's good, i wrote it lmao )
MathTans the Pun Prince
'Tis better to die as the girl you were, than to become a slave to my sister...
Kabocha
of course Miyara would enjoy Kafka lol
is she slowly gonna become a bug
is that how people will see her from now on?
slowly, Miyara becomes a creature beyond her ken -- but yet pitiable somehow.
MathTans the Pun Prince
I think that'd bug her.
✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨
XD
Kabocha
Come now, let's not ANTagonize with bad puns
NAAN
tis better to roach her than to rooster her(edited)
i tried
✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨
someone better tell her that shes truly looking like the pest she is if she starts looking like a bug
mostly ara
MathTans the Pun Prince
Puns is, like, actually my name though. ^.^ Flea now.
✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨
so on a different note im curious what wyda's relationship to ara is
like how do they know each other
did they meet at starbucks
MathTans the Pun Prince
Good point. There's fire deities and water deities, maybe they all have parties?
Oh, maybe Wyda was an old body of hers?
Or maybe she simply officiates at the weddings.
Kabocha
"Yo, I heard you like Caramel Macchiatos -- wanna fight your evil twin sister together?"
Wydanno the answers
🎄🌟Draco ⭐ Plato 🌟🎄
loooool
MathTans the Pun Prince
There was that interesting parallel conversation too, like Wyda wasn't going to stick around for the heavy stuff.
Kabocha
Well, I'm pretty sure she's seen what happens when people are Celi-ng their soul to Ara.
✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨
well it does sound like wyda just mostly came to "witness," whatever that means in this context
but why would there need to be a witness
is it like getting married for real XD
MathTans the Pun Prince
They exchange magic rings. There's many tears.
Kabocha
Hey, wait
is... Is Ara wearing two rings on one hand
DAMMIT IT ALL COMES BACK TO ZENCHAV
🎄🌟Draco ⭐ Plato 🌟🎄
looooool omg noooooo
MathTans the Pun Prince
Familiar ring to it?
Kabocha
but serious question -- is it "Celi" pronounced "Seli" -- or is it "Celi" pronounced "Sealy"
🎄🌟Draco ⭐ Plato 🌟🎄
i keep reading it as sealy
MathTans the Pun Prince
Miyara climbs out of a well "I have seen the cursed video tape!"
✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨
so before we close out does anyone have any final thoughts they want to share?
MathTans the Pun Prince
Huh, I read it as Seli.
Kabocha
I kept reading it "seli" ahaha
(hence the "Selling" pun)
MathTans the Pun Prince
Falling sequences were well done, I'll toss that out there.
NAAN
I would pronounce it "seli" -- however, I usually tell people to pronounce it as ce-lai, because my understanding has been that Americans don't know how to pronounce spanish sounding words right. and then it turns out, everyone's pronouncing it correctly anyway! XD for real though, the pronounciations of the names isn't so much a big thing? unless it's like wyda, where it's there haha (I did like the vida idea though)
🎄🌟Draco ⭐ Plato 🌟🎄
i thought the falling sequence was done really well as well
Kabocha
Ahahaha, well, with Wyda, I went all german on it so I mean
'cause I keep seeing german pop up in comic
NAAN
That would be a good presumption though! And probably if the comic were translated into German, that'd happen XD(edited)
I keep saying the f sound anytime I see someone with a germanic sounding last name though (like Justin Verlander, pfft)
Kabocha
Ahahaha
Kabocha
Well, in any case, I do look forward to seeing how the comic progresses once you're done with grad school
MathTans the Pun Prince
Well, here's hoping Miyara comes to terms with whatever she needs to come to terms with.
✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨
Unfortunately, the scheduled Comic Tea Party is now complete~! Thank you everyone so much for joining this week’s chat~! That being said, if you would like to continue discussing the comic, we encourage you to do so~! We want to give a big thank you to NAAN, as well, for volunteering Legendary Beings Ara & Celi for our reading queue. If you liked the comic, please be sure to support NAAN’s efforts. If you have questions, concerns, or suggestions about CTP, please feel free to PM me, or e-mail me at [email protected].
With that said, next week’s Comic Tea Party will focus on Cosmic Fish by Cosmographia. Please use this week to read as much of the comic as you would like. Hope to see you next Thursday (December 28th) from 5PM to 7PM PST~! Until then~! Comic: http://cosmicfishes.com/
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DO you think Misaki Yata is misogynistic? i wouldn't think so, hes nervous around girls but I dont think he hates them.
I wouldn’t say Misaki is a misogynist, no. After all, he does canonically insist at many points that people be respectful of women, and he’s more than willing to stand up for women (i.e. the scene in season one where he fights that thug with a gun to protect a woman) and he has no objections whatsoever to accepting a girl as his King. He’s also willing to fight Seri as his equal and doesn’t cut her any slack just because she’s a woman at the end of season 1. But I do think he has been affected by growing up in a misogynistic culture.
He does have a couple of issues with toxic masculinity, though. For instance he doesn’t like being “girly” or “weak” etc, but tbh I think that could spring to a certain extent from internalised homophobia (personally I headcanon Misaki as somewhere between bisexual and gay, idk I think either is plausible, and I think he would struggle with the idea of being in a relationship with a man being “feminine” etc). Bearing in mind that Japan is pretty conservative in terms of things like gender roles and it can be quite a homophobic place at times, so it’d be quite difficult to escape growing up with these kind of mindsets about how men should behave vs how women should behave ingrained in you, especially when for the later part of his teenage years Misaki was pretty much exclusively surrounded by men. The idea that manliness involves the eschewing of all things feminine seems to be a mindset he’s ended up sinking into.
But Misaki has also matured quite a lot between season 1 and season 2, and I don’t think it’s out of the question for him to grow out of these mindsets- he’s already demonstrated that he’s more willing to open up and let “weak” emotions show, and I think as time passes he will probably break out of that toxic masculinity mould. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think he’s ever going to be a very feminine person, and I think his masculinity will continue to be important to him, but eventually I think it’s pretty likely he’ll at least drop the toxic part of the mindset about how men should be strong and being girly is bad etc.
I think his fear of women again possibly could be an internalised homophobia thing (i.e. oh god I should feel a certain way around women but I don’t) but I think for the most part it’s probably a family issue. The fact his mother is divorced from his father, and Misaki took his stepfather’s name suggests his birth father did something pretty bad to merit him being completely cut out from his son’s life, and I’m in the camp that believes he was probably abusive. If this was the case, it would almost definitely affect Misaki’s view of women- he seems very afraid of being disrespectful of women, or of frightening them (considering the scene in season 1 where he and Rikio are asking Ashinaka students about Shiro) and I think this could spring from a fear of turning out like his father. I don’t think it’s a misogyny issue, of him seeing women as fragile creatures to be treated carefully, I think it’s more an issue of he’s seen his mother be disrespected and be frightened of a man (especially seeing as he was likely very young when the abuse was happening, and seeing your father shouting at or possibly even hurting your mother when you’re a little kid is a very distressing thing that can mess people up for life), and he doesn’t want to become the kind of man who treats women that way.
But yeah, he definitely doesn’t hate or disrespect women or see them as inferior, so I definitely wouldn’t call him a misogynist.
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Do you have any particular documentaries you like ?
yes I have a list!!! I’ll copy and paste an old one I’ve used and updated recently. though a lot of the documentaries I watch are crime/psychology related so some of these are going to be morbid, just a heads up.
the crime/psychology list
- Making a Murderer: this one is on netflix, looks at possible police corruption, wrongful imprisonment and analyses a current murder trial. it’s pretty damn popular and it’s brilliantly well done (though frustrating on a lot of levels) so check it out. it’s about a current case too so there’s still new information to look up.
- There’s Something Wrong with Aunt Diane: a family tries to investigate what really happened the day diane schuler fatally drove into oncoming traffic with 6 children in her car. this one haunts me for some reason, not a lot of it makes sense in terms of her character.
- Dear Zachary: A Letter to His Son About His Father: very tragic story but good insight into how the justice system and child protective services need constant reevaluation and scrutiny, and the story also features probably the bravest and most supernaturally compassionate and strong couple I’ve ever seen like if you want just an example of two incredible human beings then pay attention to the mother and father.
The Boy Who Should Have Lived: looks at the story of a boy with a mental illness, his parents struggle to get him help and how the system utterly fucking failed him.
The 9/11 Faker: a woman who got away with pretending to be a survivor of 9/11 and the aftermath of her actions within the survivor group she totally fooled.
The Imposter: amazing documentary on a man who pretended to be a long lost missing child and disturbingly fooled a lot of people. I didn’t even think this one was real until the end.
- Back From the Edge: documentary on borderline personality disorder that interviews people living with the disorder (women AND men which is good, because borderline can seem like it presents quite differently in either gender).
- Boy Interrupted: about a boy named evan who suffered from bipolar disorder from a very young age. it looks at the genetic influences, how it affected the family in the aftermath, and it’s heartbreaking to see how the illness manifests itself in such a young child.
- Just Melvin, Just Evil: this one is centered around a large extended family and how child sexual abuse has affected its members. it’s got very triggering content for abuse survivors so avoid it if that’s a problem for you, but it’s actually a really important insight into how abuse contributes to poverty, alcoholism, dysfunction, self-harm, mental health issues and how that cycle is perpetuated)
- Child of Rage: looks at the rehabilitation of a child suffering from reactive attachment disorder which is when a child fails to develop emotional attachment or empathy for others (sometimes being the foundation of sociopathy/psychopathy), in this case due to sexual abuse and neglect. it involves recordings of therapy sessions with a young girl who experienced this and how she is treated for the disorder.
- Interview with Expert FBI Criminal Profiler: basically just an interview with one of my role models John Douglas who probably has one of the most extensive careers as a criminal profiler and conducted a huge body of research that contributed to the most effective methods of catching killers and preventing crime.
Love Crimes of Kabul: follows several women in a Afghanistan prison and their stories of what “crimes” had them imprisoned (just dont look through the comment section. this applies to all videos obviously but this one in particular).
History of the Capital Punishment: kinna self explanatory but really awesome because crime AND history.
Broadmoor: documentary on a psychiatric facility in Britain that contains violent offenders who suffer from mental illness, and looks at the rehabilitation process and at the morality of treating or punishing the patients/offenders)
India’s Daughters: documentary on the issue of rape culture in India and the sociopolitical aftermath of the rape and murder of a medical student, Jyoti.
Thin: follows several women in a treatment facility for eating disorders.
and if you’re just interested in crime and profiling etc then you can find most good 30 - 40 min crime documentaries on youtube from Crime Investigation Channel but keep in mind these can be quite full-on since some of them have “dramatic reenactments” of crime (and tbh some of them go over the top to the point where I feel like it can get disrespectful)
some history yaaaayyyy
Nanking: an interesting documentary that revolves around the foreigners who stayed behind in Nanking to create a Safety Zone for 200,000 chinese residents fleeing from the atrocities committed by the invading japanese military. It uses narration by actors and interviews with actual witnesses and survivors of the time.
Sorrowful Homecoming: a korean documentary (with subtitles) that follows a japanese journalist Takashi Ito who has been interviewing and advocating for korean survivors used as “comfort women” during wartime by japanese soldiers. this one is very upsetting and has a lot of sexual violence described so keep that in mind before you watch it.
The Romanov Dynasty: mini documentary series about each tsar and tsarina who ruled during the 300 year long romanov dynasty. IT’S SO WELL DONE and was made with so much love.
Marie Antoinette Documentary: one of the best documentaries on the historical bae who has always been grossly misunderstood and misrepresented even in modern history classes.
Mystery of the Romanovs: looks into the discovery of the remains of the Romanovs, insight into what happened the night they were murdered and investigation into the potential survival of Anastasia and/or Alexei.
Catherine the Great: the title says it all, gurl was great. amazing leader who knew exactly how to play the political/royal game and told all the men who tried to oppress or abuse her to sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up y’all best recognize.
Servants: The True Story of Life Below Stairs: really cool little doco series on the people who served the upper class in the UK back in the day (Victorian, Edwardian eras etc) and what their daily lives were like and what kind of people they were.
And Man Created Dogs: how wolves/dogs evolved and bonded with us and became the natural BFFs of humans like god bless the power of evolution and oxytocin.
less morbid documentaries in general
- Babies: this is a lovely documentary (FOR A CHANGE). it doesn’t use interviews or voice overs, it just follows the development and differing parenting of four babies from four different nations: Japan, America, Namibia and Mongolia. it’s really interesting and excruciatingly cute.
- My Heart Belongs to My Dad: looks at 3 men doing their best to raise their children as single parents.
Nomadic Tribes of the Sahara: basically the title sums it up! the narrator is kind of annoying but it’s a really awesome look at how the tribes of the sahara adapt to live in such a scorching climate.
- Poor Kids: follows children in the UK who live below the poverty line and how their family’s make do from day to day
Search For Habitable Planets: because space is hella and maybe one day we’ll end up on one of these bad boys like not in my lifetime at least but hey.
An Astronaut’s Guide to Life in Space: mini videos about Chris Hadfield doing adorable and informative shit in space
Cosmos: everything you’ve ever wanted to know about everything that hurts your brain to even think aka the entire universe brought to you by Carl Sagan
Killing Us Softly 3: absolute favourite look into how advertising and the sexual objectification of women creates a horrible climate of low self-esteem, eating disorders, and violence etc against them
Planet Earth: if you haven’t seen david attenboroughs planet earth series then holy sHIT get on that because it’s so beautiful and the footage of the animals and landscapes and how he explains all of it is just perfect seriously I’ve watched this series more times than I can count.
The Union: Business Behind Getting High: super entertaining doco on the history and politics of weed and how we would benefit if it was legalized and how we should be goDDAMN USING HEMP AS A HUGE NATURAL RESOURCE.
and obviously if you haven’t checked out any of louis theroux’s documentaries then GET ON THAT
- list of some of his doco’s
youtube channels with more awesome documentaries
- Real Stories
- 20/20
- BBC History Documentaries Playlist
[some of the links might be broken as youtube is want to remove every good video from existence but just do a new search in youtube/google and you’ll probably find all of these]
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Introductory Questions
My name is Katie Lang; I am a sophomore sculpture major, former photo major, and I’m from Leesburg, VA, which is about two hours north of Richmond. I’m excited about sculpture for the freedom of expression that I can enjoy in this department. I’m also looking forward to making art that doesn't involve sitting in front of a computer for long hours while I edit photographs and export massive files for printing those photographs. I didn’t realize I would miss getting my hands dirty quite this much.
What is something in your life that you want to empower and why? - I suppose my drive to continue creating, because sometimes I question if my art is worth anyone’s time other than my own. But for myself I don’t know how I would exist without it.
What is something in the world that you want to further empower and why? - My answer to the last question could probably be applied here as well.
In what aspects of your work so far do you feel strongest? - I feel that the concepts and ideas behind my work are pretty strong. Also my drive to pursue ambitious projects.
In what aspects of your work do you feel the weakest? - Communicating those concepts and ideas to an audience/viewer. The ideas behind my work are typically pretty complex, and sometimes during crit the class doesn’t quite catch all of it. At the same time, I like the idea of obscuring things from the viewer and communicating with what I don’t show them; I want them to do some work to get meaning out of the piece. I also like the idea of the meaning being different for every viewer; partially because it makes it more interesting and partially because it’s impossible for it not to mean something different to everyone. However, I have been criticized for not taking a rigid enough position on the meaning of my work.
Who would you list as the five artists who interest you? - Joseph Beuys; I watched an interview of him being grilled by a panel of intellectuals who wanted him to explain to them the meaning behind his performance piece “How to Explain Pictures to a Dead Hare” with plain words. He told them in multiple different ways that if it could be explained with words then he would have just written about it instead. He went on to tell them that art is meant to be understood with our “sensory organs”, and not in the same way that we understand the meaning in words. I found this to be incredibly inspirational. Teiji Furuhashi; I recently saw one of his installation pieces at the MoMA and found it enchanting. I want to look for more of his work. Rene Magritte; His paintings make so much sense and don’t make any sense at the same time. Out of all surrealists I think he captures a dream the best. A couple of them I actually have trouble describing with words. Yayoi Kusama; I like the simplicity and chaos in her use of repetition. Somehow her work manages to be meditative while also being humorous. Shana Lutker; In her expansive sculpture installations, each part of them is its own piece with its own meaning, but put together they tell a story. I feel as though I need to quickly mention Agnes Martin and Brittany Nelson.
Name two of the favorite artworks you have ever seen - “God” by Ragnar Kjartansson, and “The Seducer” by Rene Magritte
Are you indoorsy or outdoorsy? - Both without a doubt. Indoors wise, I take the composition of my space very seriously. Every object in my room and where it is in my room is considered with extreme care. Feng Shui is very important to me and I can’t stand when my room doesn’t feel right. Because of that my room is always neat. There are many ways in which I lean toward connecting my indoor space to outside. To me, windows are the most important feature of an indoor space. I have a lot of plants that I’m proud of and very attached to. I’m not sure how to explain how I’ve thrived outdoors, but I enjoy them.
What subjects in the world outside of art most interest you? - Definitely sciences. I geek out about science. I’ve always loved biology; even though most of what I learned in AP Bio isn’t particularly useful in my life, I greatly value understanding how life works and knowing about the other living things on this planet. I’m also very into history in a similar way. My knowledge of world history isn’t used in my everyday life but I enjoy knowing about things I’ll never see or experience just because I can.
Name three people that are no longer living and are not artists that interest you and why? - Rosalind Franklin, because she was one of those women who were successful before women were supposed to succeed.
How is your work political? - I really can’t think of any way that my work is political.
How do you use social media in your life? Do you want more or less? - I almost exclusively use instagram. I like the simplicity (although it becomes more complex with every update) and having something to do with all the pictures I take with my phone thats quick, easy, and free. My instagram page is a visual representation of myself that changes as I do without me having to put much of a conscious effort into it. It could be a way of getting myself out there but I dont think I take it seriously enough for that. It’s also a way to find new art and artists. I wouldn’t say I want more or less of it. Maybe less at times when I feel that it’s distracting.
If everything goes the way you wish it would at this moment, what will you be doing two years after you graduate? - Living in New York, working with other artists in some way, showing at a gallery, and making something important.
Does gender play a conscious role in your work? - Not often. I tend to stay away from making work about myself, and gender would be a difficult topic to make work about unless it’s about oneself.
How does your race and issues surrounding race influence your work? - The biggest effect being white has on my work is that I don’t make work about racial issues. I don’t see it as my work to make.
What is a physical material that you have worked with that feels more powerful than your body? - Light
What is a social material that you have worked with that feels more powerful than your autobiographical experience? - I rarely work with my autobiographical experience but I don’t think I use very powerful social materials because I don’t feel that my work is particularly powerful yet.
Is your sexual orientation something that figures into your work? - Almost not at all. I wouldn’t even bother labeling my sexual orientation, and I’ve never had a conflict with it or felt the need to show people work about it.
How do current events affect the way you make art? - Conventional current events don’t factor into my work very much. It’s funny that I avoid making work directly about myself, but my own current events have been inspiration for a project. My final for digital imaging last semester was a series of outdoor still lifes that I left out for days in an attempt to attract a possum that I had once accidentally attracted to our deck.
Do you use art history as an ingredient in your work? - Yes, particularly in the still lifes I was making last semester. I often referenced the themes of classical painting still lifes.
Does your lack of sleep make you feel stronger or weaker? - that mostly depends on what I’m doing and it goes through a bell curve. If I’m taking notes in a lecture class or doing something sedentary - weaker. While if I’m generating ideas or actively making a piece, I’ll start out feeling weaker but after a point feel great and then gradually decline into total exhaustion.
What is your fantasy studio? - Big windows, high ceilings, spacious, and lots of plants. It would either have to be in a large city on a floor high enough to muffle some noise, or out in the mountains but not too far from a city.
Do you want to make a lot of money in your life? - If I’m being honest, yes. Enough to travel, have nice things that aren’t essential, and not worry constantly.
How do you think about your diet? - My diet is the way it is for convenience, effectiveness, and cost efficiency. I have almost no time to cook and not enough money to get food that does much other than make me full. I’d consider these personal choices. That being said, it really isn't too bad. It’s also extremely irregular. I always eat breakfast and it’s the only part of my diet that isn’t unpredictable; it usually consists of some variation on a couple eggs and some toast. The rest of the day is comprised of things that keep for a long time and are fast. I don’t drink much other than water, coffee, tea, and an occasional red bull. I’m also a vegetarian, which is both a personal and social choice.
Three specific experiences in your life that you would be curious to feed into an artwork? - Some recent experiences could be inspiration, like the one I mentioned with the possum. However I can’t name specific ones right now.
Identify aspects of your past work that people have challenged that you want to confront this semester - I want to better communicate my concepts to the viewer while also balancing my interest in strategically hiding things from them. Another balance I want to strike is between allowing the viewer to make their own meaning out of the piece and holding true to what I intended it to mean.
What general conversations about peers work have you felt lacking and want to pursue? - I am definitely interested in the conversation of materials and the process by which the work was made.
Do future technological developments excite or scare you? Or both? How? - Both, I think countless and unimaginable good and bad can come technological developments.
Name several artists that you have come across in the past year that you want to learn more about? - Teiji Furuhashi, Yayoi Kusama, Steve Reinke, Shana Lutker
What kinds of learning environments are/have been most exciting for you? - Lots of freedom but with an idea to push off from with project assignments. Honest feedback. Emphasis on concept development but learning new technical skills too.
List five questions that you want to fuel your work? - I have a hard time answering this because I’m not sure of what kind of work I want to make. I’m stumped here. (to be answered at a later date)
If you were to conceive of one art assignment/prompt for yourself what would that be? - A full room installation that communicates through what the audience can’t see.
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