#i dont know if this means old gods = evanuris

[pinacoladamatata]

from my ridiculous dragon age theories drive: Dumat, big daddy old god of silence, is associated with the constellation Silentir. we know this bc of inquisition

Silentir astarium in DAI

overlayed with Elgar'nan's vallaslin just because

this motif just keeps recurring with elgar'nan. idk.

4 and 7 are the one's we see in the game

[assblastergaster]

okay so we know that the hidden cutscene at the end of veilguard is NOT implying that these new secretive enemies have been pulling the strings all along (1). given that whatever this invisible threat is is innumerably old (feared by the evanuris), i think it seems feasible that the true implication is just that they have been watching closely the events that have unfolded as a consequence of something they caused eons ago. a domino effect just like the first 3 games

like we learned more about what the evanuris actually were in this game, but not what their world was like (especially because the veil is kept in place). which leads me to the question: what draws the elven gods to need such immense power and control if they have already defeated those who were their greatest enemy? why does ghilan'nain need to form the blight into the greatest weapon even before they are banished? the titans were already dead by the time it was created. they were the only ones mentioned as their enemies in the game, and the forgotten ones (not to mention the forbidden ones???) were decidedly not their concern. (2)

again, no, I don't think it's what doomers on reddit are thinking (regardless of writer adamant denial! smh): this secretive enemy was not whispering in Loghain's ear, nor meredith's, nor corypheus and the other magisters, to get them to do what they did. they were simply there, watching the events that were directly tied to the fall of the Evanuris and creation of the veil take place. the fifth blight might not have been so bad had Loghain stepped in, the Mage/Chantry war may have been avoided had Meredith not put Kirkwall on the chopping block, and the blights may not have had entire armies to fight with if not for the tevinter magister's intrustion on the golden city. yes, they say "guided" and "whispered," but these are some fuck off bad guys who have only revealed themselves after 4 games, which is the same amount of time it took us to find out that the Dalish Gods, the Chant of Light, and the ancient Tevinter Gods are all fake. they are not telling us the whole truth and nothing but the truth in a 1 minute 7 second post credit scene. and why would they? why not lie and say they've caused the worst events in recent history? why not scare a weakened world into thinking they can't do anything to stop bad things from happening, making their coming harvest that much easier? as far as the world knows, the blights are over forever, so they might become powerful enough for to fight back as they move on—shouldn't The Executors/Mystery Bad Guys try to nip it in the bud? (or, of course, they surreptitiously guided and whispered the evanuris into becoming each other's downfall, leading to the events we see pictured and that's what whispered means)

"the poisoned fruit ripens" is the key phrase. they didn't make all of these people do these things (ripen), but they are seeking to reap the benefit of the fermented fruit. note that none of the events covered take place BEFORE the creation of the veil—even though we know of several events that took place then—meaning they probably don't have complete, ultimate power. they were likely competing with the Evanuris and the Qunari's progenitors, as we know in that codex entry that indicates that one of them was building fortifications for intruders from beyond the sea, and from Taash's tablet.

perhaps the "poisoning" was the creation of the veil, or the creation of physical forms from the fade, or the destruction of the titans, or anything of that huge caliber. i can't say for sure what i think is most likely. but i do believe that the fruit ripening is them waiting for an opportune time to pluck the world and plunge it into their control.

(1) Epler confirmed this. (different link if you dont have bsky account)

(2) i think this is probably intentional—and not the forgotten ones lore being abandoned, given that Anaris was literally an enemy in veilguard—the Dalish had a bunch of lies put into their head and may have twisted the forgotten ones into more of a threat than they were; such that their actual strife with the gods was about something other than their own struggles for power. perhaps they were a faction of former evanuris who believed in focusing on enemies beyond their borders rather than war against the Titans and the Dreadwolf, which is why he is known to be the only who consorted with both factions. OR the opposite—perhaps they welcomed these foreign enemies. they are also often mentioned with the void, which these Executors seem to be associated with, and were not locked away in the veil prison like the Evanuris.

[seeker-ophelia]

A reminder that Solas speaks as the Fae do. Solas only lies outright to us once in Inquisition (after we ask him back in the Rotunda after Halam'shiral where he had been to parties before), and its because he got distracted, and had to make something up on the fly.

Solas is a word wizard, a true fae, his words never outrightly lying, but also never speaking the truth.

He doesn't say: This Is Not Blood Magic.

He says he dislikes the use of it. Doesn't mean it wouldn't use it.

This ritual dagger is lyrium (not confirmed, but it glows, like guys come on its probably lyrium). If Varric is a dwarf, wouldn't he be naturally resistant to lyrium? I mean a thing through the chest is a thing through the chest, its going to cause damage, but it doesn't kill him.

Some people think this dagger is the Red Lyrium Idol cleansed of blight, which would be COOL AF for a multitude of reasons:

Solas can sure the blight (holy batman the implication of that)

Maybe the lyrium can absorb the blight, like a sponge, and stabbing it into Ghilly will cure her of the blight. Maybe not cure her of being an absolute demonmilf insane power-hungry mad-scientist, but of the blight, which is important. Because...

She created the blight as we know it today, and we might need her help to end it. Maybe she can make a creature immune/resistant to the blight?

Either way, its some magic thing that can at least stop a Blighted God, so...

Varric mentions in the leaked cutscene that the Gods are using the blight to amass power, but they couldn't do that unless they controlled the blight somehow right? Unless there was some way to control it?

So maybe, if they can control it, Solas knows how to cure it?

Back to Fae/Solas:

When I rebelled, the drew on the horiffic magic of the blight, corrupting all they saw until I stopped them.

So The Evanuris were using the blight BEFORE the veil creation. They must have been able to control it somehow. (Hopefully?)

Thanks to you, I am trapped, and the blighted elvhen gods walk free.

mmmm babygirl. This is only true if you swapped places with them - who closed the breach? Ghilly & Elgar'dad? Why are you there physically and Rook is there mentally? Because of the blood? That's blood magic, babes.

You don't have the dagger because its in Varrics chest (thanks for that, Chuckles) so that's okay, but you're telling me the god of rebellion, who made the prison he's in, didn't build a tiny escape hatch?

Fine. You didn't.

Doesn't explain why Rook can Blood Magic his way into the Evanuris' prison. Because that sounds like a Capitol B Bad Idea. Why on earth would you make a loop hole in The-Most-Strongest-Prison-Of-All-Time-Strong-Enough-To-Hold-Gods where someone (Rook, ACCIDENTALLY), or anyone really (Mythal, Tevinter Magisters, Alamarri Dreamers), can blood magic their way INTO the prison. And then can Blight/Old-God/Archdemon themselves OUT.

Good Prison, bro. Good Job, really, honestly, 10/10 on the super-max scale. /s

Don't worry babes, I still love you, you're still my stupid egg. Even if I wanna bash your head in and force you into therapy because babygirl so many of your problems could be avoided if you just talked to someone.

With This:

Awooga humminahummina yes daddy please oh my fen'harel dont stop yes finally

He's out. Veil is DOWN. Did it get taken down? Carefully? Or was it ripped and torn asunder and now the whole worlds fucked?

Don't know.

He has his dagger back. Was is given? Or did he take it? By force, violently. Is this is scene of a villain? Or the savior?

I don't know but 5 days vgeevn ieoivnv kijivkjvkjbvjksehfjlk

while i do believe it would be perfectly in character for solas to stab varric just because he’s being annoying and trying to thwart him, i think that that scene combined with the immediate conversation about blood magic facilitating the mental connection between rook and solas suggests something deeper than that.

why would solas STAB varric with the MAGICAL LYRIUM ONCE-RED-LYRIUM-IDOL RITUAL DAGGER when he can, idk, turn Varric to stone without even looking at him like he does to the Viddasala? when he could blow him to pieces the way he did to Bianca just moments before???? when he could probably incapacitate him 5000 magical ways without lifting a finger??? and yet he stabs him? with a dagger? and you watch as blood spurts out of the wound??

and then 10 minutes later tells rook that their BLOOD at the RITUAL SITE, from some minor wound on the back of their head, allowed him to form a connection???? when the one truly bleeding out in a puddle was Varric??? when blood magic is apparently being used already by him to create the connection to rook (and notice how solas says, when accused, “I abhor blood magic” NOT “I didn’t use blood magic”!)

we also see ghilannain stabbed with the ritual dagger in the release date trailer, and similar waves of magic/energy roll out of her as they do varric as they both lay on the ground, lyrium dagger in their chest.

he must have needed varrics blood in that dagger for some reason. no clue why, maybe to save Varric, maybe to save himself, let’s not even think about how the idol that bore that dagger is the same thing that cost Varric his brother! but anyway. something is going on with that ill bet money on it