#i do like andy greenwalds makeup slathered glampunk a lot though.... but thats a very specific Time and Place for the band too

[sendmyresignation]

and that is why! you're the only one here i respect!

dhskfhf this is actually my least respectable opinion. part of it definitely comes out of an occasional contempt for punk (sorry it's just who i am) like i simply do not think a genre of music is so completely dictated by things like ideology that clearly defined musical lineage or community can just be ignored (unless it's a political small subgenre: rabm, riot grrl, nsbm, etc). punk is a huge umbrella term at this point. like as soon as new wave happened (or even before when punk music had an initial pop success in the uk) the tension between "popular" "mainstream" and "underground" "radical" remains ambiguous. is blondie punk? is the ramones? is billy idol? punk has always been tied to pop music bc punk is a conservative genre (in a musical sense- its looking back to pop before hippies and 70s studio rock). it just doesn't seem worthwhile to me to refuse these kinds of struggles and connections, esp when it loses the effects of the industry and the creation of diy infrastructure and the current state of music business like that all still matters in punk and was shaped by people moving within and outside of the narrow confines of genre