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circulars-reasoning · 2 years ago
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Let’s discuss the screenshot together, shall we? I’m an English teacher, and reading comprehension is something we focus on strongly as kids enter 6th grade. So, eyes and ears students! We're going to have some fun today. Got your textbooks?
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Let’s comprehend. Then, we can move on to analysis.
First, the most crucial part of comprehension (imo) is context clues. So let’s see the context.
“Here’s some more things that are normal in DID/OSDD systems, and some weird myths, in no particular order”
This was a collection of myths and non-myths about CDDs. With this context, we now know that the screenshotted text was intended to clarify a truth or debunk a myth.
Having spoken directly to the author, as a dutiful researcher, I have found that the post that instigated the creation of this post was from a system who was seeking help identifying if their experiences were standard for a CDD system. With this further context, we now know that the screenshot was taken from a post that was intended to inform people about what is standard for CDD systems, as stated explicitly by the author.
Now we have some context; time for content.
“The dysfunction criteria” is specifically referring to the criteria within the diagnosis of DID to be “dysfunctional.” Now, as much as I would love to simply say “google the definition,” we’re not talking about English terms. This is what we call jargon.
Jargon is words that are specific to a group, and while they might be words that are used in other ways, they have a specific meaning in the group they’re used in. For example, we know that in math, “acute” triangles are triangles where every angle is less than 90 degrees - but in the medical field, “acute” means a condition that comes upon someone suddenly. It’s the same word, but it has a different meaning because of where the word is being used.
So, for “dysfunction,” we can’t Google it - we need to know what the diagnostic manual defines dysfunction as. Thankfully, the DSM has provided many places where it defines the word "dysfunction." Let's look first at how it is used to help define mental disorders:
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(From Page 20 of the DSM-V)
Simply put, mental disorders are ailments that disturb an individual's thinking, feeling, or actions, in such a way that there is a clear issue with the body (whether mental, physical, or genetic) that affects the brain's functions. This disturbance also cannot be simply caused by cultural responses (like death) or defined simply by deviance from society. It 100% has to cause problems within the person.
Therefore, dysfunction is being defined here as things that cause a problem for an individual beyond the scope of normality. When paired with a mental disorder, we have problems caused by internal functions that are not functioning properly - disorders influenced by dys-function. A function that isn't functioning right.
Does that make sense?
(It is crucial to note that dysfunction does not mean unable-to-function. It simply means there is a problem in functioning. Nowhere in this screenshot does it imply that those with mental disorders are incapable. Simply that their functioning is affected.)
Back to the original screenshot. "The dysfunction criteria is redundant and circular." This is to say, the criteria for a disorder (which is defined, as we just saw, as internal problems caused by dysfunction) including dysfunction is like saying "this thing that is caused by dysfunction must be caused by dysfunction." This is, indeed, an example of circular reasoning (in which you attempt to provide evidence of a claim by restating a claim: an example of this could be "We know the text is accurate because the text says it is.").
"The dysfunction criteria is redundant and circular, where the symptoms themselves fulfill the criteria,"
Well, this simply continues our circular reasoning. If the DSM defines mental disorders as having dysfunction, then obviously, a symptom of the disorder is dysfunction. This is starting to feel a bit like Emperor's New Groove...
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"The dysfunction criteria is redundant and circular, where the symptoms themselves fulfill the criteria, and as per the DSM, doesn't imply any inherent need for treatment or distress,"
"But Circ, isn't dysfunction distressing?" Yes, often! But the DSM clarifies that it does not need to be in order to be dysfunctional.
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(Also from page 20 of the DSM-V)
"However, the diagnosis of a mental disorder is not equivalent to a need for treatment." Having a disorder does not require treatment. Allow me to rephrase: Having a problem caused by dysfunction does not always demonstrate itself as requiring treatment. Treatment must be done on a case by case basis, as per the DSM, with the following kept in mind: symptom severity, symptom salience, distress associated with symptoms, disability related to the patient's symptoms, risks and benefits of available treatments, and other factors.
Therefore, one could say, a diagnosis of a problem that is caused by dysfunction does not imply an inherent need for treatment, as many individuals do not experience all of the following (severe symptoms, salience of symptoms, DISTRESS, disability, or other factors)."
Let's return to our screenshot!
"The dysfunction criteria is redundant and circular, where the symptoms themselves fulfill the criteria, and as per the DSM, doesn't imply any inherent need for treatment or distress -- so being happy, loving your system, feeling like your system helps you more than it hinders you, all normal (and good!) but still DID/OSDD."
That's the full screenshot! So let's review what we know:
The text was addressing common myths about DID/OSDD. This was done in an attempt to inform anyone interested in what is standard with the disorder.
In a section of the text, the author addressed some jargon, "dysfunction," and (by using the definitions provided through the field where the jargon comes from), debunked a myth surrounding DID/OSDD.
Through this information, I can infer that the myth SysmedsareSexist was debunking was the very common myth that DID/OSDD must involve constant suffering and feeling as if your system is hindering you. As someone who has DID, I fact this myth constantly. It's lovely to see a post that discusses the fact that my disorder does not need to be doom and gloom; that I still have DID, even when I'm happy to be plural. Even better, the individual knows their stuff, and used the correct terminology ("dysfunction criteria" versus what I almost always see referred to as "clinical distress criteria").
How do we know it's the correct terminology?
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The text they reference tells us so!
"However, in the absence of clear biological markers or clinically useful measurements of severity for many mental disorders," (such as DID/OSDD), "it has not been possible to completely separate normal and pathological symptom expressions contained in diagnostic criteria." (Meaning, we struggle sometimes to differentiate what is normal and what is part of a disorder). "This gap in information is particularly problematic in clinical situations in which the patients symptom presentation by itself (particularly in mild forms) is not inherently pathological and may be encountered in individuals for whom a diagnosis of 'mental disorder' would be inappropriate." (Note: this is like the difference between "I feel sad sometimes" and "I am clinically depressed." Refer back to the definition of a mental disorder if you're a bit confused here!)*
(Oh here's the important part)
"Therefore, a generic diagnostic criterion requiring distress or disability has been used to establish disorder thresholds, usually worded 'the disturbance causes clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning."
So, to put it all very simply:
The diagnostic criteria for DID only includes "the disturbance causes clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning" because it needed to be made clear to everyone that mental disorders are, in fact, mental disorders, which cause dysfunction, because mental disorders are inherently dysfunctional.
So... the criteria is saying "in order to have a mental disorder, you need to have a mental disorder, which is defined as having a mental disorder."
Now, it wouldn't be a Circ Classroom Lesson if I didn't ask a very important question. Why is this important?
Well, on a surface level, I'm sure y'all have seen the Syscourse(tm) today and yesterday. With individuals deciding to tear into others for no reason other than what appears to be ignorance or distrust. It's obviously why I wrote this post. I wanted to illuminate what @sysmedsaresexist, a very close personal friend of mine, was trying to say in their educational post. I thought it was fairly clear and easy to understand, when I read it.
Sadly...
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Sigh.
I am understanding of students in my classroom who struggle to comprehend, and I am understanding of Sophie here now. I try my best to see good faith in everyone, even those who hurt me. It's something I actually work closely on with my therapist, as I work on not blaming myself (or others) for facts of my life.
But I won't lie and say it's not frustrating to have the same exact conversation, over and over, because I haven't cracked the code on how to help that student learn.
And I'm seeing the same trend with you, Sophie.
Yes, I know, I have you blocked. I also know you'll see this, eventually, somehow, someway. I don't particularly want your response - while I usually support open communication, there does come a time when, well...
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So please, please, I am literally begging:
Listen.
Dude posted this long educational positivity post because I had specifically been discussing my experiences with CDD in the plural servers, and his post to ashenphoenixflock resonated with so many of those I was speaking to. I explained to him how much his post resonated with many in the plural servers I was in, who expressed they hadn't known these things about DID/OSDD, or that they related more to traumagenic plurality than they first thought.**
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Upon seeing the impact he was making, Dude then made the post the screenshot discussed here came from. That's why the title of the post was "I’ve heard one of my posts is causing waves." He heard it from me.
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He posted this to endogenic tags because I was encouraging a transfer of information with inclusive plural spaces. I was the one who encouraged him to post in endogenic tags. It wasn't malicious, as you tried to spin it. And had you simply asked, or even just minded you own business, you wouldn't have published disinformation (information that is not true in an effort to cause harm) about my friend.
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Dude's educational post is not arguing that individuals who do not meet the diagnostic criteria of a disorder should be diagnosed with it. It was simply trying to demonstrate that the dysfunction criteria does not, in fact, mean that those with DID must be in constant suffering. Nothing more, nothing less. Was there more meat there he could have posted? Obviously! But the post was not intended to be an argument against plurality or dismantling the DSM. It was simply busting myths and spreading positivity and normalcy for DID systems. And you saw issue with that.
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It is not dangerous in the slightest to explain what the DSM means by dysfunction. If anything, it would have helped me greatly to understand my traumatic experiences and come to terms with them far, far sooner than I did. I (and many, many, countless others) convinced themselves they were functional enough, and therefore, could not imagine themselves as being "disordered." Proof of this was sent to Dude, which inspired another post with another worthwhile discussion to be had.
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Tell me, do you genuinely believe that reassuring this person that you can still be disordered, in need of help, and receive that help, even if you are """functional""" is... malicious?
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Why are you screaming? You are in agreement. Dude never once argued that you don't need to fit all the diagnostic criteria to have the disorder. He argued that the criteria is repetitive. You're the one who read his post wrong.
Furthermore, you read the source you used incorrectly as well.
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Shall we refer back to the criteria Loewenstein is referencing?
"This gap in information is particularly problematic in clinical situations in which the patients symptom presentation by itself (particularly in mild forms) is not inherently pathological and may be encountered in individuals for whom a diagnosis of 'mental disorder' would be inappropriate. Therefore, a generic diagnostic criterion requiring distress or disability has been used to establish disorder thresholds, usually worded 'the disturbance causes clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning."
Loewnestein is arguing that tulpamancy is different from DID because DID is a disorder. That's it.
And let's review why it's so fucking important to share this information, based on the article you yourself linked. Let's look at how Shea responds to the distress criteria.
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"It causes dysfunction it makes them unable to take care of themselves."
"She feels like she has a good sense of when mental illnesses do cause distress."
Ableism. What she has is a good sense of ableism. The exact myth that Dude was attempting to debunk. The exact myth that Dude was attempting to help educate people on. I wonder what Shea's reaction to the education would have been?
But given that she practices tulpamancy, she could potentially be a fan of yours. And what does she see?
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"Not needing to be bedridden is medical misinformation."
"Not needing to be unable to care for yourself is medical misinformation."
"To be diagnosed with a disorder, you need to meet this criteria, no questions asked."
Which, to people like Shea... Wait. This reminds me of something.
"You must suffer to have DID. It's a serious trauma disorder."
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I thought it sounded familiar...
And since you wanted a dialogue with me, here.
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This is the true problem with reading comprehension. And why I made this entire post. Nowhere, anywhere, in the OG screenshot, did Dude say "ignore the criteria." You're the one who took that step. You are the one who chose to see malicious intent where there was none. And not even logical malicious intent! If Dude were to be the top-tier most anti-endo ever, would he ever, EVER, argue that the diagnostic criteria for DID be less specific?!
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I am glad we are in agreement, then. You attacked a positivity post.
Class dismissed.
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thephoenixdescendant · 4 years ago
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I knew this would happen. I accidently deleted an ask. Thank god I took a screenshot of it before deleting it...🙏🙏🙏
Whoever asked this, I'm praying that they will see this post.
WORD COUNT: 2,824
Vert x Reader x Alternative Vert
You settled in handler corners about a year ago and made friends with the people who work at spectre motors. But, one day you became awestruck for the fact that you saw them coming out of a portal. That's when you knew what they really do. You have been nagging them to bring you with them but Vert refused. The reason why is because he's afraid you might get hurt and also, you tried to ride the saber the other day. But, what happened was you drove it to the maximum speed limit. And you crashed his car on a giant rock. You hit your head on the glass real hard and ever since then, he's been treating you like a kid. So, you kept annoying Vert to the point where he gave up and said yes. But he told you to not walk around the battle zone and instead, stay with Stanford.
You were with them on the training tracks watching the solar eclipse through those special glasses that allows you to look at the sun, until Sage announced through their coms that a stormshock was detected, with a warning. Those solar flares could damage their vehicles. Vert turned to you with a serious expression. "Don't get out of the reverb. If you do, then it'll be the last time I'm taking you to a battlezone". You nodded in agreement. You hopped on the reverb and they all took off.
"Stay double frosty guys. Sage said those solar flares could do nasty stuff to our instruments." Vert warned. "Solar activity peak level coinciding with portal entry" Sage announced through the coms as Stanford kept touching a button on the touch screen of his reverb. "Might explain why my rear axle telemetry a bit dodgy." Stanford said.
"Caution. Battlezone may also be affected."
Everyone got inside the portal and arrived on a planet that looks really fimiliar. Like the ones they show on science fiction movies. "Looks like a standard alien desert to me." Spinner said. "Everybody make some dust. Find me a key!" Vert said as he went to the other direction. "As soon as I find out what's wrong my axle. Catch up with you." Stanford parked his car on an area near a mountain. You got annoyed because you couldn't see the rest of the zone for a bit.
Stanford got out of the reverb with a socket wrench that he carries with him. He crossed your arms as you watched him open the bonet. "First rule of a manual servo repair. Never need one." Stanford started to twist and turn some of the parts with the socket wrench. You grunted in annoyance. "Hey Stan. Can I get out and watch the view. I wanna walk around a bit." You asked. "No. Vert told me to make sure your inside the Reverb at all cost." Stanford replied. Not looking in your direction. "Come on! I don't wanna sit here! I just wanna walk!!!" You whined. But, he just ignored you. You looked outside and sighed. Then you got an idea. "Hey stan. I'll make a promise to you if you let me out." You said. He looked at you, a brow raised. "What promise?" He asked. "If you let me out, I'll tell Grace how amazing you are! I know you like her and I'm sure she'll listen to me. That way, she'll ask you out!" You said, with a big smile. He rubbed his chin and thought about it for a second. A smile formed on his face. "Okay! You can come out!" He said. You felt really happy and when you got out of the reverb, you gave Stanford a big hug. "Thank you!!!" You said, before going to the other side, enjoying the view.
You kept walking around until you saw something coming from the distance. It looked like a gold chariot... And it was coming towards you. You ran to Stanford and hid behind him. He gasped when he saw one of his enemies right in front of him. He dropped his socket wrench as the mutant like creature aimed his crossbow at him.
"Go on then! What are you waiting for fang face?!" Stanford said with pure hate. "Even though you humans want to destroy my world, I cannot attack an unarmed man." Kalus said. Stanford looked at him, confused. "Who are you? And what have you done with Kalus?" Stanford asked. "And you, are not acting like a member of the evil battle force 5!" Kallus exclaimed. "Evil battle force 5?" You whispered. Stanford looked at you, indicating he was confused, just as you.
"Mount your vehicle and let us battle as honour dictates." Kalus said. Stanford took a step back, almost stepping on your feet. "Uhh.... One moment..." He said before he spoke through his com. "Guys! Kalus has me in his crosshairs, but he's being... Honourable. Please advice." "On our way!" Vert replied as he and the others went to where Stanford stood.
You saw the team coming towards them from the distance. The tension was relieved.
"Huh! Typical Battle Force 5. Refusing to choose the Vandal code to settle our differences like gentleman!" Kalus spat.
"A vandal gentleman? Huh! In what world?" Sherman asked. "Maybe in this world. Sage said the battlezone could be affected. Captain Kalus! Wait! Please." Vert stopped the Saber infront of him. You and Stanford quickly got inside the Reverb and he aimed the sonic canons at Kalus. "Captain Kalus!" Vert called as he got out, without bringing his double edged sword. Kalus aimed his crossbow at him. "I'd like to speak with you! I've come unarmed." He walked towards him. "Vert! We've got him surrounded. What are you doing?!" Agura questioned. "Playing a hunch I'm about to wish I never had. Cover me but stay back." Vert said. Kalus got out of his chariot. "What kind of trickery is this?!" He questioned. Vert held out his arm, motioning Stanford to turn off the sonic canons.
"You... Ordered your team to stay back..." Kalus said. "I did. So, where is yours?" Vert asked. "Ugh! You know very well what happened to them!" Kalus said before sniffing Vert's uniform. "Or do you?" Kalus got surprised of the scent Vert had. It wasn't the same scent he was fimiliar with.
"It's not Kalus!" Vert turned around to the team. "Uhh... How many talking lions with crossbows are there riding around in gold chariots?" Agura was confused. Zoom came and stopped the chopper beside the tangler. "Just did a flyby on the battle key!" He said before turning to Vert. Surprised to see Kalus standing next to him. "Whoa! And we're not whipping lion butt why?" "Somehow those solar flares must of connected us to a dimention exactly opposite our own." Sherman explained. You gasped in surprise. "Am I gonna see the opposite version of the team?" You thought. "With good Vandals! (Idk what word he said after that... lol)" Stanford said, confused and surprised at the same time. "So where's the rest of your team?" Vert asked. "My good friends Hatch, Xever and Crocomodo were elimimated... Long ago...." Kalus said sadly. His face drooped down. You looked at him with pity. "By who?" Vert asked. "By.... Them...." Kalus pointed to the distance, as he heard a team of cars racing towards them. The whole team looked at the distance and saw their opposites. "Those look just like our rides!" Sherman exclaimed. "Normally it's between me and that battle force 5. Which exists only to conquer peacefull worlds..." Kalus said.
"Well... Look what we have here?" The alternative vert's voice was heard through the com. You gasped at how his tone was so.... Evil... "They look like us, but they're so... Clean." "Not after I'm done with them." "I wanna smash them. Into teeny tiny bits!" "Wow Sherm! That was nearly a complete sentence!" "Oh, you boys are like soooo immature!" "Shut your traps. First we get the key. Then we play...." A fit of evil laughter sent chills down your spine. Anti-Vert noticed you sitting with Stanford. He looked at you and winked. "Uhhh...." You had no words to say. "Whoa. Doppleganger dudes really got their fight on!" Spinner said. "Can't let 'em get the key. What do you need Zoom?" Vert asked. "Battle key is in the side of a mini mountain. Gonna need Agura!" Zoom replied. "Nothings out of my reach!" Agura said. "Agura go for the key. Everyone else on defense. Let's go!" The team charged towards their opposites. They looked at each other in pure hate. You gripped on your seat because of how fast the Reverb was going.
"Looks like those goodie goodies are gonna get in our way!" Anti-Spinner said. "Split up. Take 'em one on one." Anti-Vert ordered. The Saber's blades collided with each other. Anti-Vert's blade scraped past the Saber. Vert grunted in anger.
Anti-Vert's Saber got near the Reverb and he came to your side of the car. "Hey sexy! He thinks he's better than me. Let me show you what I can do." He said before charging towards Vert's Saber. Vert got really angry when his alternarive self called you "sexy". God, he wanted to punch his anti-self's perfect teeth. "If you are trying to challenge me, you're doing a terrible mistake! I'm gonna kick your butt!" Vert said. "That will be in your dreams. The woman/man is mine!" Anti-Vert said. "No, mine!" Vert muttered. "She/he is mine!"
You were watching the entire thing. Each time Vert gets pushed back by his anti self, Anti-Vert has a grin on his face. He knows you are still watching the fight. But, you suddenly can't see them because the Reverb has gone away from them. "Stanford. Follow the girl/boy and try to wreck their Reverb." Anti-Vert said. "Consider it done!" He said. You saw Anti-Stanford following the Reverb really tightly. "Ohmygosh. Please go faster!" You said. "I am!" Stanford swerved the car left and right. Trying to avoid the sonic attacks. His anti self got to your side and you gasped when he made his car push the Reverb to the side. Both Stanford and his evil self pushed each other back and forth. "Coming here was a bad idea..." You regreted annoying Vert. This is what Vert has been warning you about. Something like this always happen. Suddenly, Anti-Stanford pushed his vehicle too hard on the Reverb. Causing the mirror on your side to break. Shards of glasses fell onto your arm. It's sharp sides grazed your skin. Causing a cut on the thin layer of skin. But enough to bleed. It stinged a little. "We'll get away from.... Me..." Stanford somehow managed to turn the Reverb, making it face his anti self. They both sonic blasted each other. Stanford and his anti self took the hit, causing the Reverb to be pushed back. You hit your head really hard on the back and on the side..... The glass shards cut the side of your cheek. It started to bleed and your head hurts fr om hitting the back too hard. "(Y/N)!!! You're bleeding!!!" Stanford gasped in horror. "I'm... I'm okay... Just go!" You said. The Reverb took off, leaving Anti-Stanford alone. You started to feel nauseous and a splitting headache took place. "I... I don't feel so good..." You said, covering your mouth. Trying not to vomit because of how the Reverb's movement is. "I'll take you somewhere that'll keep you safe!" Stanford said.
Stanford parked the Reverb on a small cave. A cave where it's not clearly seen. Both you and Stanford got out. You sat on the floor, leaning onto the wall, as Stanford inspected your injuries. "I don't have an emergency kit. Sorry about that..." Stanford apologized. "N-no it's okay." You said, as you took out your handkerchief from your pocket. You placed it on your cheek, hoping the bleeding will stop. "I should be the onr who's sorry. I shouldn't have come here." You said sadly. "It's okay (Y/N)." Stanford smiled. "You stay here. The Reverb is already damaged. If you're in it, then it'll cause more injuries to you. Our opposites won't find you." Stanford said as he got inside the Reverb. He disappeared into the distance and you sighed. "I shouldn't have come here..."
Vert and his anti-self kept pushing their vehicles on each other, causing a lot of damage. He chuckled. "You already know that soon, the woman/man that you have brought with you on your mission will be mine! I already know it. You're weak!" He said. "Not gonna happen!" Vert shouted. Then Anti-Vert saw the Reverb coming out from the side of a mountain, but you weren't there with him. "Are you sure Vert?" Anti-Vert asked before violenly pushing Vert's Saber with his blades. Vert's vehicle flipped over and Anti-Vert went to where Stanford came.
You started to feel lightheaded and your head was throbbing and you placed your hand on the back of your head. You felt warm liquid covering your palm. It was blood. You sighed, praying the team will come back to get you. You laid down and curled up like a ball, trying to fall asleep. After a few minutes, you heard a vehicle coming towards you. It sounded like the Saber. You felt relieved for Vert being here and you got up... Only to see his alternative self staring at you. He chuckled. "Are you trying to rest my love?" He asked. "I'm not your love! Leave me alone!" You said, as you stood up. "You don't know what I am capable of. I'm way better than the Vert from your homeworld." He said. "Oh no no no. You are just a freak. I don't like men like you!" You shouted. He looked at you with no emotion. He took a step towards you and you took a step back. "Me? A freak? Ha! You don't know me well dear." Vert said. "And you don't know me as well. I'm capable of fighting you off. I have a black belt in karate!" You exclaimed. Suddenly, Anti-Vert just burst out into laughter. "Do you really expect me to believe that?! You don't look like the type to be violent." He said. "Oh, But I am. Don't mess with me!" You said. He took a step forward and you lunged at him, ready to punch his face. But, he grabbed both of your wrist. "Hm... A black belt in karate, huh?" He said, mockingly. "I-I just went e-easy on you!" You said, as you tried to pull yourself out of his grip. But, he was too strong. "Don't even try. You're weak!" He said. You mentally slapped yourself from doing that stupid move. The amount of energy you took to get out of his grip made you feel as if the world was spinning around you. Your legs became weak and you almost fell down, but Anti-Vert caught you. He grazed his fingers on the cut on your cheek. "Looks like Stanford got a little harsh on you...". "I'm very sorry about that..." He suddenly pinned you against a wall.
He looked at how vulnerable you are. It didn't take long to smash his lips onto yours. You couldn't protest as your body felt like jelly. He stopped kissing you as you bit his tongue harshly. "Gah!" He hissed in pain. You fell down on the floor. "D-don't do i-it a-again...." You spoke. Your voice was weak. The blood from his tongue starts to drip down from his mouth. "I would love my woman/man to be a little more compliant. I don't mind playful biting.... But, not in a way it'll stop someone from kissing you..." He said. "Go... To... Hell!" You spat. He just laughed. "You will be under my control when I take you away from them!" He said, with a wicked smile.
"STAY AWAY FROM HER YOU SACK OF SH*T!!!" Someone shouted from the distance. You both looked at who it was. It was Vert. Your Vert. He ran towards his anti-self and kicked him in the guts. Anti-Vert grunted in pain. "You will seriously gonna regret doing that!" He said. "YOU WILL SERIOUSLY GONNA REGRET TAKING MY WOMAN/MAN AWAY FROM ME!!!!" Vert shouted. Then, both Vert and his alternative self started to have a fist fight. You couldn't move or speak, and you laid down almost unconscious.
Vert somehow beaten his anti-self down. He ran to you and picked you up. "You're bleeding!!!" He gasped as he felt the warm liquid from your head. He ran out of the cave and placed you inside the Reverb. "Get her/him home! Now!" He ordered. Stanford nodded and he took you to the hub. He went back to the Saber and looked at his anti-self. "You and I are gonna have a fight. With our vehicles..." He said.
Part 2 (Coming Soon)
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