#htp blacklaw

[captainbaddecisions]

stuck in the middle of a geriatric cold war

hope he'll get a break soon... maybe travel somewhere nice.... maybe have a caipirinha

[dappercat123]

I really appreciate the little character moments in this episode,

Spoilers below

D and remold locking the fuck in despite their blood feud, and remold calling on fatigues spirit to guide his hand.

Not to mention remold shooting the Hunter data instead of the warewolf, playing the objective

Brock sticking up for his friends against his dad. And trying to fistfight a fucking warewolf!

And the fact that Marcus, despite his absolute loathing for Brock, willingly put himself in front of a pissed off garou to protect Brock. Just all around when shit hits the fan these people that hate each other worked together near seamlessly.

I also like that Marcus wore his stake jacket, not that it did him any good.

Also, since I have not played any WOD games if anyone more knowledgable about the lore and gameplay can tell me what that shit with the moths that warewolf did was I’d very much appreciate it.

[longeth-dayv]

i enjoyed the latest episode a tiny bit "garou genes, son" or somethin ??

def gonna make more art i lvoe this series so mcuh ahhhhh

fun fact, werewolf in french is "Loup-garou", and "loup" means wolf ! so, yeah

[for-the-urizen]

I'm not going to talk about everything I loved about the latest chapter, but here are a few of my favourites. Spoilers for Hunter: The Parenting Chapter 5

I love how even though we've been given no reason to like him, Remold is shown to be an excellent Hunter in his own right when he's not distracted by his hatred for D.

It would've been easy for Ogrepoppenang to make him a fraud, and I'm really glad they didn't go down that route. Continuing in the same vein, I also really like how even when he's shown to be under the effect of Delirium, as seen from the shape of his pupils, he's still able to focus on destroying the Hunter Data.

I don't know if it's force of will, Hunter instinct or Fatigue's training, but it's awesome all the same. The last detail on the Blacklaws, I found it strangely heartwarming how Brok refuses to even entertain the possibility that Git or Spit could have been responsible for Fatigue's murder. Sure, they're all awful, but they look out for each other. My favourite detail is how even though he appears completely unaffected by the Delirium, D is also scared shitless when Matilda transforms. It really sells just how horrifying werewolves are that even D is struggling not to panic. Someone on youtube pointed out that after his first fight with Matilda, D has bloody clawmarks in his neck, but moments later when he tells everyone to GTFO, they're gone. And finally my favourite scene is when Kitten and the others appear in the hole in the wall and unleash everything they have at Matilda because the artwork for that moment, coupled with the music and Kitten's animalistic roar when he sees Markus in her claws, is just so damn good.

[sampies-stuff]

Animal: The Crossing pt.2, sketch dump #4, and a lil update

Hello everyone! I’ve have been away however the fixation still prevails! Ep.4 of htp was amazing as expected, very yum yum indeed *rubs hands together*.

As a lil update: expect some works for Animal: The Crossing , Beach day!, a sneak peak to a lil 3-4 pg comic based on the aftermath of act1 ep3, art from the audiologs

Also I have some bg3 content/oc stuff I will be showing over here!

[multiversemittens]

Marckus: How do I get revenge on my enemies?

Kitten: The best revenge is letting go and moving on.

Marckus: ...

Marckus: Dad, how do I-

Big D: Brick.

[thebaronfelidae]

The chair and the tapestry make me cackle every time I see it

Also really love the giant fuck-off wolf statue. Looks like something I would have in my living room.

[ogrepoppenangleaksofficial]

My girlfreind has an obsession with remold blacklaw to the extent I think she loves him more than she loves me

I'm talking character collages, shipping her htp oc with him. Like, I'm worried she's going tear herself apart here. Every conversation I have with her always has remold blacklaw Somewhere in it

She even took some of the leaks that involve him and puzzled them together, how they match I do not know

All I'm asking is that you give her something, ANYTHING to cease her sycophantic ranting about this pathetic belgian.

She needs this man

Toss her a pile of dusty bones if you must, just give her something to knaw on until another episode comes out. Please I am begging you, ye mighty ogre. She won't stop

[possiblylando]

Who's the ghoul? [HTP;4 SPOILERS!]

Alright so Hunter the Parenting Episode 4 has been out for a bit. If you haven't watched Hunter the Parenting and are just seeing this for whatever reason like coincidence or following me... WATCH IT! I assure you it's worth it it's all on Youtube its great come on don't get spoiled here. Seriously SPOILERS FOR BASICALLY EVERYTHING IN EPISODE 4

Alright hopefully everyone who hasn't watched it is out of here and now watching it. We can start by establishing the suspects.

Now for what I hope are obvious reasons we can rule out every member of the D family. Door and Boy aren't even here anyway. As such our current list of possible suspects is;

Upper Management Occam Blacklaw Sr. Gloria Waters Wernon

Security Brock Spit Giles

Cleaners Amanda Matilda Students Elise Grimal Harry

Now who else can we rule out for sure? 1. Occam can be ruled out. He's the chapter leader and if he was the ghoul for whatever reason the information would already be out. Plus Occam is already a mage or sorcerer of some sort so I doubt he'd get trapped into becoming a Ghoul. 2. Blacklaw Sr. can be ruled out. While he has keys to whole building we knew exactly where he was the entire time the crimes were being committed. Alright so then who can we rule out based on intuition? 1. Harry was with Markus for most of the time so it likely isn't him. 2. Elise, While Big D did interrogate her first I feel like he would've had some more suspicion if he genuinely believed her to be the ghoul. As such we can shorten the list to the following;

Upper Management Gloria Wernon

Security Brock Spit Giles

Cleaners Amanda Matilda Students Grimal Now we can look at where everyone was known to be while Occam was in the vault.

During this time the ones left unaccounted for are Elise, Big D, Wernon, Gloria, Grimal, Occam (duh), Spit, and the Cleaners. For obvious reasons we can ignore Elise and Big D as we've ruled them out as suspects. Now we can also rule out Giles and Brock from the list as during the time Occam was attacked they were both accounted for. HOWEVER I want to talk about brock for a moment. While I doubt Brock is the ghoul there is a moment near the end of the episode I want to bring attention to. While Markus and Co are saving Grimal from being tortured, D absolutely rocks Brock to the point he gets slammed into a wall. Yet Brock gets up with very little damage and continues to brawl. This is very interesting as Brock is apparently stronger than Blacklaw. This could be ghoul strength but I doubt it since Brock is a VERY big guy. Also about Giles, We know his boss at the 99p store is related to the vampires. Either she's a vampire or just a ghoul I'm not 100% sure. So Giles would have the connections to become a ghoul however having multiple ghouls working at the same 99p store seems like a waste of resources. So I doubt he's the ghoul. So now our suspect list is;

Upper Management Gloria Wernon

Security Spit

Cleaners Amanda Matilda Students Grimal Now that we've narrowed down the list of suspects I doubt that the either of the Cleaners end up being the ghoul as while both would be fairly easy to get in the building they lack any real clearance to get into the archives. As such they would be little strategical use outside of minor surveillance. Additionally they have no way to gain access to the Archives. Now ime to talk about that final scene. Wernon being killed at the end of the episode is very interesting as it acts in contradiction to what happened to Occam. Occam was just knocked out but Wernon was EVICERATED yet Wernon is a much lower priority target than Occam. Now I doubt Spit is the ghoul because again how would he have access to the Archives. However I do think Spit is the one who killed Wernon. Perhaps Spit is a Werewolf or other weird being as they were very specifically pointed out as killing machines in the episode where Big-D tells Kitten about some stuff. At the very beginning of the episode we can see the moon is full.

The lighting is a bit weird in these early scenes as outside is very red and orange but in other scenes we can see the moon and it's detailing a bit better so this is certainly the moon. As such the circumstances exist for Spit to turn into a Werewolf and flip the fuck out. Given the fact Spit is absolutely losing it I doubt he did it intentionally either. That answers the question of what happened to Wernon, what about the ghoul. Currently these are the possibilities as I see them; 1. Wernon was the ghoul. He had the means to get into the Archives and attack Occam. He's advancing in age so becoming a Ghoul might help with that slightly which would supply a motive. If he brought Spit off to deal with him, then spit flipping out in self defense would continue to track with him being a possible werewolf. 2. Grimel is the ghoul. Grimel was acting a bit weird the entire episode and during the start when the ghoul was announced she looked very uncomfortable. Additionally she's spent a majority of the episode away from the rest of the group and was missing while Occam was attacked. When she was being "interrogated" by blacklaw she doesn't actually say she isn't the ghoul she changes the subject. However this again could be coincidence as she saw Amanda get fried. Additionally there is the issue of her not having access to the archives. 3. Gloria is the ghoul. This one I think is the least likely. The only real evidence for this is that she was willing to so quickly take control of the situation when Occam was passed out. Currently the odds as I see them are Wernon; 40% Grimel; 30% Gloria; 10% Anyone else; 20% However if it is Wernon that raises the question, What will the rest of this arc be about? If the ghoul is dead then the rest of the arc would have to be about sorting shit out and kinda loosing it at eachother. But again that seems weird right? Killing the culprit off? So I guess my final guess is; Grimal (MAYBE Wernon) is the ghoul Spit is a werewolf (or similar creature) Matilda is going to be important somehow

[meattiramisu]

HTP spoiler, and non-native rambling

THEY DRAGGED HIM INTO OBLIVION WARP SATAN'S ASSHOLE UMBRA (I don't know WOD lore)

And it happened because Marcus was fucking SAVING BROKHAM? HELLO?

Blacklaws just HAVE to address this fact in the future because if anybody will ignore the fact that THIS happened because of Brok's stupidity, I'm shooting in the kebab...

Do we have to wait another year?

[voidscreamintheories]

HtP theory D: Who is he really? 2 of 2

This is a continuation from a first post, Spoilers for Hunter the Parenting

Speaking of his age, a few characters have called out D as looking old, decrepit, frail, or sickly. Despite the fact that we see a golden god of a man who honestly looks younger than at least one of his purported children. I don’t think this is wholly wrong on both fronts. You see, there is a particular group in World of Darkness who can only hang around on the normal plane of existence by inhabiting the bodies of the frail, the sick, or the dying. Because I think the D in Big D stands for Demon.

In the World of Darkness, specifically the game Demon the Fallen, “demons” are angels who sided with Lucifer against God. They were cast down into hell, where their angelic forms where forever marred by the torment in the depths. Sometimes, they can make their way out of the pit and back into our world. As mentioned before, and would be the case for the average DtF character, many slip into the body of someone who has a weak grip on their soul and is close to death. From there the demon can either try to redeem themselves, and perhaps find a way back to heaven, or they can just embrace what they have become and be a complete menace on earth. Now in DtF, the ability for demons to come back to earth ON THEIR OWN is VERY recent. However, I think D is a demon who was called to earth by a group somewhat akin to the shaman of his previous life, put into the body of some frail person of a bygone age, and has been trying to reclaim his angelic nature by becoming a protector of mankind from the creatures of the World of Darkness.

Some notes around this:

-In his conversation with Kitten, D mentions hunting a methusala of the La Sombre vampire clan with his siblings. I’m of two minds here, this could mean the children of the shaman-like summoners (if he has a VERY close origin to Big E) or it could mean other fallen angels, who like D are seeking redemption through monster hunting. It would make a lot more sense for a group of former angels to kill an ancient vamp than a family of hunters. This would require though that these summoners pulled a few angels up from the pit, so not sure.

-As for why some see him as old or frail, I think sometimes either the mask slips (maybe because D is stressed, or his angelic nature is weakened) or some level of supernatural ability allows them to see past the angelic personage and into the frail human body beneath. Two of the people who have called him old have either been Tremere or Tremere ghouls, and as I understand some vampire blood magic allows one to see past illusions/veils (and sometimes ghouls get lil bits of power from their vampire blood supply). I looked this one up, it’s the vampire discipline of Auspex, which the Tremere clan does have access to.

-Remold. Remold mentions that Big D’s family and his family have been enemies for generations. If my theory that D is an immortal goofster who has been around for a long time holds true, maybe it’s not so much that the Blacklaws have been at odds with D’s family, but instead against D himself, repeatedly antagonizing them as a living bloodline curse. This might explain his interest in Brok in the recent episode: D knows that once Remold has his Chekhov’s gun of a heart attack, Brok becomes the next Blacklaw that D will be fighting at all times. Why is D antagonizing this family? Well it could be an attempt to beef up some human hunters: If an entire family is constantly having to battle this one madman, and they know of the supernatural, they might become good soldiers against the darkness. Or maybe the Blacklaws have historically been opponents of hunters, Remold does seem to be against knowledge obtained through Big D’s hunts, Brok probably wouldn’t put a lot of time or effort into learning, if previous behaviour is to be believed. Maybe the Blacklaws are anti-intellectual in their history, and D wants to fight them so they can’t dismantle the arcanum or stop hunters by being ignorant. Now, there is a particular lil blue fella that I think bears mentioning, but I would like to discuss that in more detail in its own post, because I think there is a lot to dig into.

Also, quite a while ago I read someone suggest that D in Big D actually stood for Death, as in the rider of the apocalypse, since he does have a horse. This is a neat idea, but I do not know enough about WoD’s story of revelation to be able to discuss it. If this one turns out true, it’d be cool.

For now, thank you for reading this far. As always please let me know your thoughts, and if you are someone who was really engaged with WoD during the original runs, especially Demon the Fallen, please gimme your thoughts. I have a great interest in this setting, but it is very difficult to find info because it was in MANY old books.

As always, good evening.

[massivecheesecakewolf]

Occam when learned that the Drs. Fenton drills a hole to the ghost zone and Jack is the brother of Big-D, thought this is where Big-D got his information on ecto ghost from. And confused about being like a brother in law to the Fentons but silently accepting it.

While the reunion and the idea that he is still treated like a brother in law was shocking and Occam is still on a mission to figure out what is going on with phantom and plasmius, and goes on to find the local Amity Park arcanum house, hopefully near the motel where he is sleeping at (it would be funny if Occam room is couple of room away from Big-D and his family rooms) but find that (your choice on if: the arcanum house is underfunded and understaffed to the point that it like a school club or there is no arcanum house at Amity) and that he has to get the information himself but while he knows that phantom came whenever ghost attacked Amity Park, for some reason (the box ghost blab about Occam can hurt ghost with strange energy) the ghosts keep pestering Occam and this keep testing Occam patience and when Occam has a chance to talk to phantom something happens that needed phantom, and when Occam found phantom and plasmius fighting he is nearing that calm fury and use his solar sorcery to grab both phantom and plasmius ear to shock them but phantom goes invisible (to go home) and plasmius go on a rant about trying to get phantom to be his son because of his halfa status and disappeared, while Occam found this confusing, especially the word "halfa" and planed to ask the Fenton about it but is approached by the mayor Vlad Master for questions for Occam and that strange energy he used against the ghost. After answering questions from Vlad, he got a question about how to run a arcanum house as Vlad planned to help fund the local arcanum house to understand the ecto ghost and want Occam help to teach Vlad the way of arcanum, while Occam found this strange and wanting to figure out the halfa (and what it means), he got to go back to Great Yarmouth before Remold Blacklaw done something very stupid again and Occam does want to help the arcanum, so he accept Vlad deal, not noticed that Vlad had a sinister plan with the arcanum house.

By the way this is my first time using the HTP middle explanation interlude.

While Jack doesn't explain the supernatural very much, he does talk about the fact that the supernatural is real and vampire and that they have many weaknesses which is the reason that Danny occasionally called Vlad, Dracula and some weird funny vampire names instead of fruit-loop sometime.

A DP au idea

A scholar just recently arrived at Amity Park because of a newspaper show 2 ghost that exactly look like the 2 being that is shown through the ancient art and stories that even the most knowledgeable scholar wanting to know about, and that newspaper went to their house in Norfolk and while He could send other to investigate, he felt like investigate it himself as he have some knowledge about the being called ecto ghost from his ex (who got his information from his brother for some reason?)and leave his chapter librarian in charge of the house while the scholar leaves.

After arriving at Amity Park, the scholar looked around the town and, after confusing some locals with his Irish accent, found that the ancient ghosts are called phantom and plasmius(good) and that they are Enemies (weird) and they appear when the ghost first appeared at Amity Park (wait what?)and their defense (aside phantom) is Fenton family and that give the scholar deja vu and before he thinks of this, suddenly ghosts appeared as they causing trouble and a ghost that obsessed with box pressing him and the scholar saw phantom appear and fighting ghost and capturing them into a thermo (for some reason) and before he went after phantom to ask questions, the box ghost distract him and phantom goes away to capture more ghosts, the scholar stand there staring at box ghost and calm down, breath though his nose, and flick his finger through the ghost head using his solar sorcery to give box ghost extreme pain for causing stupidity and walk to the Fenton work to ask questions about ghosts and both phantom and plasmius.

After going to the Fenton work the scholar see a man talking to.... Wait.... No... No no no NO NONO NO NOOOOOOOOOO. Occam stands there, blank eyes ,thinking about his life choices and what goes wrong with it as he got one question for god......

WHY IS BIG-D HERE AND WHY THE MAN HE TALKING TO LOOK LIKE A SANE VERSION OF HIM!?!?!?!?

HAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHHHHAHAHHA

HAPPY (early) APRIL FOOL

It's actually the continuing post about DPx HTP about Occam O'Connell (hope you watch episode 4) went to Amity Park to investigate phantom and plasmius, the same time the previous dpxhtp post take place, and saw, his ex, Big-D and (unknown to Occam) his brother Jack Fenton. What do you think about my April FOOL and do you get the hint that the scholar is Occam before the reveal?

Funny you should mention it. I literally just got finished watching it!

It was fun! I enjoyed it! Also, Occam was great. I really enjoyed him, but I'm so sad that Lord Fatique was massacred like that.

Anyway, I actually first thought it was from D's perspective, but as soon as Solar magic was mentioned, I was like, "wait... YES!!"

I just love Occam's character & I love the sort of sorcery he uses!

Also, I think that the prank was actually interesting & it could actually make for a fun feature of your story.

Also, my brother told me that Mages bend reality, but they do it through rituals that requires skill & uses components. The way you described them, it sounded more like they could just think of what they wanted & make it so without any sort of preparation. If that's not the case, then I like them the way he described it!

[for-the-urizen]

Is D planning to recruit Brok as a Hunter?

[possiblylando]

HUNTER THE PARENTING: WHO IS THE GHOUL? (CHAPTER 5 VERSION)

Alright lads attempt to at sussing out the ghoul. Now we must first establish the ground rules I am following with this theorization. 1. There are at least 2 infiltrators currently present in the chapter house (Matilda & The Ghoul) 2. Our 2 infiltrators were working separately. (There is currently no evidence the Werewolves & Vampires are working together as such the Ghoul and Matilda working together to achieve their goals while knowing each others identities is highly unlikely.) 3. The Ghoul is present within the chapter house at this moment (This is an assumption based on the fact HTP is still a story. The ghoul just not being present would be weird and arguably bad writing as it would be a needless subversion that accomplishes very little in the story except having our main characters run around like headless chickens.) 4. The Ghoul is not anyone who has already died. (Similar reason in #2 as that would be odd writing to have the Ghoul be killed by Matilda unceremoniously. This is possible however I doubt it. This is essentially just to establish that I do not think the Ghoul is Fatigue.) 5. The present or lack of presence of the Delirium is not a deciding factor in who is the ghoul or not.* (While present in older editions, in 5th edition the Delirium is able to effect more supernatural creatures. As such someone exhibiting the Delirium during the Matilda fight does not discount them from being the Ghoul.) *If you wish to see more about the Delirium there is a good post on reddit which categories who we see and dont see under the effect of the delirium you can see it here; Delirious Eyes Guide Reddit Post

6. THE FLY IS NOT THE GHOUL WE ARE LOOKING FOR IN THIS SITUATION! (There is a very funny and horrifying theory that there are fly ghouls present throughout the series. If you wish to see more of that theory you can see it here; Fly Ghoul Reddit Post ADDITIONALLY! I will be using the timeline I've established in this post for many of the assumptions and theories made here. My own Arc 2 Timeline Tumblr Post

It's not necessary but if you want that companion piece it is present.

ESTABLISHING RULES COMPLETE!

Now we can start by ruling out the group who I am certain are not ghouls.

D, Kitten, and Marckus are not ghouls. No further explanation needed.

Matilda is not a ghoul; She is a werewolf thus excluding her (technically) from the conversation.

Occam is a solar sorcerer which would make him highly resistant to being ghouled. Additionally if he was a ghoul he would have already given the information to the regent.

Blacklaw is not a ghoul for the same reasons as Occam minus the solar sorcerery bit. Additionally it would be too convenient for the one major detractor of the D-Clan to be the ghoul. It would essentially be; Well he's bad and also the ghoul so there's no nuance there.

Next the characters whom I am mostly certain are not ghouls.

Fatigue is dead and thus him being the ghoul would be weird writing.

2. Brok follows the same reasoning as Remold with the addition that he was with Remold & Security for the entirety of the time when Occam was first attacked. Further more I do not believe Giles is the Ghoul. 1. His boss at the 99p store is already a ghoul (assumably; It's possible she is a vampire though its doubtful) and there seems to be no acknowledgement between them of such. 2. He was with Brok for the entirety of the time when Occam was attacked. Thus he would not have been able to give Grimal orders. Additionally I do not believe Harry is the ghoul. 1. He was with Marckus during the period of time in which Occam was attacked and thus would not have been able to give Grimal orders. As such these two are; Possibly ghouls but ultimately unlikely.

This leaves our actual list of ghoul suspects. 1. Elise 2. Simon 3. Grimal 4. Gloria 5. Amanda

Lets go over the evidence for each. ELISE

Elise has a lot of evidence stacked against her. 1. She stole from Giles and which ended up being a major crux in Occam's attack. 2. She gave Grimal the smokes and told her to find a place to cool off [Grimal claims not to remember this portion] 3. Elise was alone while Occam was being attacked and thus would have had open reign to move wherever and do whatever in that time. 4. As we now know due to Chapter 5, The chapter house map takes place AFTER Occam was attacked (due to Matilda being in the kitchen) which means Elise's position on floor 2 could've been her heading away from the security room after finding out Grimal did not have the hunter Data. 5. She gave Grimal her hair tie to hide the sunburn from Grimal attacking Occam. 6. D chose to interrogate her first which suggests he found her most suspicious (or that he thought she had the most useful information). Our next Candidate; SIMON (Spit)

Simon does not have as much evidence directly against him but he is still highly suspicious. 1. He was alone while Occam was attacked which would give him the ability to give Grimal commands. 2. He has been acting oddly all night. Giles claims this is because Simon is out of Ritalin. However as was established with Guy; The Regent is not exactly good at keeping her ghouls topped up. It's possible he was exhibiting symptoms of Blood withdrawal. 3. He filled his goblet with blood out of the line of sight of everyone else. It's possible he did this to switch his blood so he can not be identified as a ghoul. (However I do not know how he would do this.) 4. He was singled out by Fatigue as being rather unusual. It's possible Fatigue suspected him of being a ghoul (or some other afflicted being) and wanted to help him. (This could also just be Fatigue being a good guy and trying to help someone he could tell was suffering an episode) 5. He was under heavy effects of the Delirium (Lasted atleast the entire length of Audiolog 4.1 and until he was put into THE COLD TESSELATION) which would suggest he has every low willpower. This would make him especially susceptible to being ghouled. 6. He left the Security group early on to look for Giles' smokes since he claimed to have an idea of where they were. Next up; GRIMAL

Grimal has the most evidence against her. 1. Grimal was the only one (Aside from Matilda, who as previously established, Is not the ghoul) who was present in the security room at the time of Occam's attack. 2. She had a pre-established tendency of sneaking around the Arcanum vents and thus would know about and would be able to utilize the vent into the archives. 3. Grimal had a burn scar on her hand which suggests she was burned by Occam's solar sorcerery. She assumes it was a lighter burn however the length of the scar suggest it was Occam. This means Grimal attacked Occam and stole the Hunter Data. 4. Grimal already has pre-established ties to freedom and her lack of it. She is jealous Kitten has no arcanum oversight even saying he should be happy that he doesnt have to deal with it. 4a. In audiolog 3.7 Kitten talks about wanting to help the chapter house ghoul. Due to his connection to Grimal (due to being her EX) this would help further establish both of their characters in such an extreme situation. 5. Grimal has been established to be very physically strong. She was able to lift/carry Marckus (Who is like 6'5'' or some ridiculous shit) in Audiolog 3.3 and was able to CLAW THROUGH BATHROOM TILES (This was right before Matilda attacked; 43:21 in the C5 video if you want to check for yourselves)

Furthermore she was able to survive a direct (probably) full strength hit from Matilda and still had enough energy to drag herself away.

As has been established several times; Ghouls get increased physical abilities just by being ghouls so its possible her strength and durability are a result of that. (She could also be built different but due to the BATHROOM TILE CLAWING I doubt it) 6. Remold chose her and Amanda to "interrogate" first which suggests he found the two of them the most suspicious. (However due to them both being women this could be Remold being a misogynist.) FURTHERMORE OUTTHERE EVIDENCE 7. There are theories that Grimal intentionally put the hunter data in the smokes when she took them from Matilda and threw them to Giles. However I do not believe this theory as it would require a slight of hand skill Grimal has never previously shown. Additionally we know Grimal is very emotional and was clearly angry while throwing Giles the smokes. Evidence AGAINST Grimal being the ghoul. 1. Grimal has no memory (or atleast claims to have no memory) of the time Occam was being attacked. This suggests she was under the influence of the ghoul while she attacked Occam. However I do not believe this is entirely solid evidence to her innocence (As I will go into more later). Next we have; GLORIA

Gloria has very little solid evidence as to her ghouldom. 1. She was alone during Occams attack which would give her ample opportunity to give Grimal orders. 2. She was suspiciously quick to appear at the Archives (As if she knew Occam had been attacked already) Finally; AMANDA

Amanda is in the same boat as Gloria. 1. Her location before Occam's attack and during it are unknown. Matilda was not with her after Occam's attack due to her going to security and ending up with the smokes and hunter data. As such she would have been anywhere at the time of Occams attack which would have given her the chance to give Grimal orders. 2. Remold chose her and Grimal for "Interrogation" which suggests he found the two of them the most suspicious. (Thought again; Could just be Remold Misogyny I'm not sure) 3. Due to being a cleaner she could've been a ghoul before being hired and found a way to get into the Chapter House via getting hired. Bonus! 4. She mentions 'I'm just processing the fact Vampires are real' which could suggest either that she isnt the ghoul (due to not knowing vampires exist) or she is the ghoul (and is lying about not knowing about vampires to cover her tracks). This piece of evidence is completely pointless as it proves and/or disproves NOTHING! So... Of our 5 suspects; Who is the ghoul?

From most to least likely I would order our suspects as such. 1. Grimal 2. Elise 3. Simon 4. Gloria 5. Amanda We have a few potential routes. 1a. Grimal is the ghoul and DOES NOT remember attacking Occam. 1b. Grimal is the ghoul and DOES remember attacking Occam (And is lying). 2. Someone else is the ghoul and gave Grimal the orders to attack Occam. Now heres the truth nuke; I think 1a is what happened. We know the Chapter House Ghoul's Master is the Regent. Since the Regent is a 7th generation vampire (established in the kevin audiolog) this means she likely has ATLEAST the 3rd dot on all 3 of her base Tremere disciplines. 5th Edition is PROBABLY the version they're taking the most inspiration from for the vampiric abilities in HTP due to the older edition rules for Dominate being much weaker at lower levels.

These classic rules would not allow for the ghoul to issue any orders to Grimal as complex as crawling through the vent, attacking occam, then stealing the hunter data. However the 5th edition rule set would.

All of this is just to establish why I think 5th Edition's rules are the more accurate ones in the HTP verse. Heres what I think is happening in situation 1a. Grimal IS the ghoul but she did not willingly attack Occam. I believe she was forcefully turned into a Ghoul and may not even be aware of it (Thought she might be). The Regent implanted an order into Grimal's head using the Submerged Directive ability and removed/changes Grimals memories of being a Ghoul using The Forgetful Mind. So lets play this out. 1. Grimal is ghouled and turned into a sleeper agent. 2. When backed into a corner w/ the D-Clan's arrival Grimal's Manchurian candidate memories activate and cause her to attack Occam and steal the hunter data. (I believe the orders are something like 1. Protect your identity as a sleeper ghoul; 2. Steal the hunter data & return it to the regent) 3. Grimal returns to the Security room and forgets about her activates while in the Archives. She puts the Hunter Data (probably just somewhere on the table, maybe even in the smokes I'm not sure). 4. Matilda enters the room and sees what's happened and snatches the data and the smokes. 5. After Matilda leaves, Elise enters security and sees that Grimal has been burned. Elise wants to protect her friend (she might believe Grimal is the ghoul or was just controlled by the ghoul) so gives her the hairband. 5a. It's possibly Elise would've tried to divulge this information but she kept getting interrupted both by the Blacklaw D-Clan scuffle and Marckus barging in on her and D's interrogation then again when Remold wouldn't let her speak after Grimal's burn was discovered. Alright then what of the other options; I think 1b is the least likely option as everything surrounding the Chapter 5 Grimal reveal suggests Grimal really doesn't have any memory of the events. If Elise is the Ghoul Elise as the ghoul is rather straight forward. She robbed Giles, Gave Grimal the Key and Smokes, Used Dominate on Grimal and made her attack Occam and steal the Hunter Data, She then got to security too late and found the Data was already gone (taken by Matilda). If Simon is the Ghoul Simon went to look for Giles smokes which could suggest him being the ghoul. If he claimed to know where the smokes were that could mean he met with Grimal in the security room after Elise gave him the smokes then he gave Grimal orders. He returned to security later and found the Data & smokes gone (again, taken by Matilda) which then causes him to start panicking. If Gloria is the Ghoul Same story as Simon. She entered security after Grimal and gave her orders. She then left (perhaps returning later to find the data and smokes gone) and lingered around near the Archives being worried about Occam's safety. If Amanda is the Ghoul Same story as the past two. During the time she wasn't with Matilda she gave Grimal her orders, probably going to get the data later when Matilda wasn't around. I think Amanda is the least likely because she hasn't gotten enough focus to suggest she's the ghoul. Additionally if Amanda is the ghoul she probably would know the Data was hidden in the smokes and might've made more of an effort to get them from Matilda. CONCLUSION! From most likely to least likely I believe the options are as follows 1. 1a (Grimal is the ghoul and isn't faking memory loss) 2. 2(Elise) (Elise is the ghoul and manipulated Grimal) 3. 2(Simon) (Simon is the ghoul and manipulated Grimal) 4. 2(Gloria) (Gloria is the ghoul and manipulated Grimal) 5. 1b (Grimal is the ghoul and is faking memory loss) 6. 2(Amanda) (Amanda is the ghoul and manipulated Grimal)

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Hi Ogre Poppenang!

Do you or any of the artists on staff have raw files of some of the photos/painting in the chapter house in ep 4 of HTP you could send to me? Or were they released elsewhere? I wanted to look at some of them and see if there's any details I can glean comparing to the luau photos!

I'm looking for three in particular: There's the one of our size difference king at 17:11 to the right of Fatigue (I don't know his name I'm sorry), The one at 30:06 that seems to be a Blacklaw/O'connell Gathering, and the one that appears 3 times in Remold's interrogation of Grimal (larger lady with a hairbun at 32:01).

Thank you for all the work on the show and have a nice day!

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Htp Theory: A School on Who's the Ghoul 2 of 2

This is a second half of a theory about the ghoul, first half here. Spoilers for hunter the parenting

So Occam’s the ghoul

Think on this, wouldn’t the best person to ghoul if you want to control an organization be the top-dog of said organization? Further, with everyone relying on Occam as the head honcho it leaves him without suspicion. We know that D and family were booted from the Arcanum for doing a bunch of unsanctioned hunts, even though (according to the poppenang leaks posts) the Arcanum are actively working with a hunter organization. Maybe Occam saw D and fam getting a lil too close to his vampire master’s activities and tried to put a stop to it through banishment, conveniently Blacklaw was calling for this already so Occam had an easy way to wash his hands of the matter. Same idea with the destruction of Dfams contributions to the Arcanum, almost certainly there was some real useful hunter info in there, that Occam can just say “had to get rid of it, couldn’t keep info from exiled members, sorry. Blacklaw was the one who called for it”. Honestly maybe their marriage was a way to try and keep D in check, however we don’t know how long they’ve been married or how long there has been a ghoul.

Then there are Occam’s actions during episode 4. He is VERY quick to go along with the witch hunt, which probably contributed to the stress we see in some of the characters, drawing suspicion to them. Then he proposes the blood test, then sends everyone away. AND he sends them with the task of carrying the big metal BAWKS, a task he almost certainly knows they will fail spectacularly, resulting in more infighting and a big mess that needs time and energy to clean up. What about the choking? If he’s a ghoul he would have increased physical strength, he could have choked himself enough to look like he was attacked, again, while everyone was supposed to be leaving him alone. But also, what happened to those choke marks on his neck when we next see him. He also bounces back from being family guy ragdolled remarkably quickly. How did he get back so quick, without marks on his neck? I don’t think the doc is that good at her job, especially high. I think he was faking it, and now with Spit having popped Fatigue like a balloon, he’s got an EASY out to hang the albatross on.

Also as two jokey points, 1. Occam’s razor, as a concept, he would be the simplest answer because having the head of the arcanum under your sway is a good idea. 2. I saw someone on this site say that Occam looks more like a vampire than any of the vampires thus far. This series doesn’t do design choices without reason, think of the bloodied wolf after Spit’s fit or Remold’s clothes hinting to him being B*lgian. Maybe Occam looking like a vampire is because he is connected to vampires.

Now, the connections to my earlier theory, and why I REALLY suspect Occam. Occam was shown using magic, solar sorcery specifically. For a lil bit I was concerned with my theory because sunlight kills vamps, but Occam isn’t a vamp, he’s a mortal servant of a vamp, the ability to sit in the sun is explicitly a design goal of a ghoul. (also the fact he breathes deeply before each solar spell means he’s a hamon user, good choice). Now, solar sorcery is a form of “linear sorcery” this is a type of magic which exists in WoD that basically is lesser magic that can’t bend the very fabric of reality. It’s a type of magic you have to actively learn and practice, rather than mage magic which is just innate to the person. Now remember in part 2 where I mentioned vampire clans have certain preferences for who to turn/ghoul? As an example Pyotr was likely turned by a Nosferatu because he was pretty and the uglies like making more uglies, Shitbeard was turned by a brujah because the brujah like bikers. Well clan Tremere really likes turning/ghouling intelligent, studious people, ESPECIALLY if they practice linear sorcery. Because the magic clan likes having more magic at their disposal. Why didn’t they just turn Occam? Well maybe because having him as a ghoul is more useful (again, head of a rival faction in the area), maybe the fact he does solar sorcery makes him immune to being turned by virtue of having sun in the blood, who knows? Another thought, maybe Occam willingly became a ghoul. He was married to Big D, who we know does A LOT of drugs. Maybe D took all the good drugs in the divorce, and Occam needed a hit of something extra potent, and found his way to getting high on the cold red stuff. Back to the sorcery though, you know what else linear magic is REALLY good for? Summoning things from the depths of hell.

So, I think Occam was recruited by the regent of Yarmouth, a Tremere who is actively looking to become an infernalist. He is a prime candidate, he is in charge of a local sect of a rival organization, he fits desirable traits for the clan as a whole by virtue of being a magic practioner, and that same magic would be a big help for the regent’s secret project.

I would suspect, if I am right, that Occam would be closely tied to the regent, keeping a useful tool close at hand so to speak. This could be a great big problem for our protagonists, because we’ve seen a ghoul close to the regent have knowledge of the local operation, namely the manager ghoul recognized the name Kevin. And unfortunately, Big D is brandishing Kevin’s ID. It’s possible Occam missed it at the big table meeting because he glossed over D’s actions, but Remold is currently trying to use the id to make a case against D. If ghoul Occam recognizes Kevin on the id, sees it connected to Big D, there’s a real chance our intrepid heroes may be in trouble.

If you have read through all of this series of theories, thank you. I may have taken on the Malkavian gift/curse of seeing, and as such my predictions may have mistakes. But I had a lot of fun theorizing and I hope you enjoyed my ideas. Until we get more HtP I probably won’t post too too much, but I look forward to having more things to talk about when we next get some Hunter! Thank you again for reading.

As always, good evening.