#how tf is anakin supposed to know that obi-wan cared for him?

[mirrorofliterature]

these are some excellent points! I think it's a fandom wide problem, amongst all fandoms, to exaggerate a disliked character's flaws to prop a liked character up (in this case, anakin and obi-wan respectively), which I've never particularly liked.

and you're totally right! the flaws are what makes the prequel trilogy interesting and the sanitisation of the jedi order and obi-wan in particular (who was definitely in a position of power from within as a councilor during the clone wars)

if obi-wan had not been a failed mentor, then we simply would not have the OT, or at least not the OT with darth vader in it. darth vader is the most iconic part of the franchise, he IS the central character that runs through both the PT and OT... obi-wan, at best, is the connecting link, an important secondary character but secondary nonetheless, whose blind adherence to a flawed code and order, at the expense of his interpersonal relationships, because he was an arrogant apathetic asshat, particularly in TPM (ah yes, let's call the NINE YEAR OLD a pathetic life form and dangerous within ear shot), and I feel vindicated when cinema therapy's jonathan, a licensed therapist, EXPLICITLY states that obi-wan was a shitty mentor: 'obi-wan’s style of mentoring is largely harsh criticism… that’s freaking traumatic'.

did the circumstances suck? yeah. but obi-wan was 25. he trained anakin for his own sake - to alleviate the grief of his master's death - not for anakin's, and tried to form him into the perfect jedi mold, and never told him his failings - his love for anakin - and oh my god, obi-wan, I just want to shake you, you emotionally constipated asshole.

whenever fanfiction writes obi-wan as emotionally competent I'm like. that man is a manipulative ass-wipe who yes, did not deserve his fate, but he was at the table weaving it the second he decided to treat a recently freed slave child with barely concealed contempt, not compassion like a jedi should have, and always holding anakin at arms length

obi-wan is a well-meaning asshole who did a lot of good, yes, but also did a lot of harm because he put the ideal of appearing perfect over actually fucking helping people, starting with his traumatised padawan and idk throwing him a compliment every once in a while

'obi-wan is such a poor little tragic meow meow'

me, vibrating: obi-wan dug his own grave and he KNOWS it, stop erasing obi-wan's explicit narrative role in creating darth vader. he knows he fucked up when raising anakin, he did fuck up when raising anakin, he DID fail anakin. it's a pretty explicit part of the PT and OT.

them: obi-wan never did anything wrong and anakin, the child, was simply too difficult for obi-wan, the grown ass adult. everything is anakin's fault and obi-wan suffers the most out of every star wars character

me: *throws up my hands in the air* look at what you did to the perfectly flawed complex failed mentor figure. you woobified him into a 2D cariacature, look OSP agrees with me: 'great character, not so great mentor'

[bereft-of-frogs]

since it is the last Sunday of Acolyte theorizing and I don't want to go get ready for the work week, here are my collected remaining questions / mysteries, thoughts, and whether I think they're likely to be solved in the finale, left up to interpretation, or saved for next season:

Is Qimir a Sith? Was he really once a Jedi? How old is he? How did he discover the cortosis mine? Who was the master who 'threw him away'? Likely Resolution: Saved for Season 2. I think most of the Sith stuff will be reserved for a season 2, if they get one. Allegedly his character was really only supposed to appear in season 2 but they moved some things up, so I'm comfortable saying most of the Sith stuff will end up being the 4-5 mysteries left on the table for future exploration.

How did Mae survive the fall? What has she been doing for 16 years, aside from training with Qimir? Likely Resolution: Solved in Finale. Confident this one will at least get a sentence or two explanation. Now that we've seen that Sol really does think Mae is dead, I can't imagine he won't ask how tf she survived.

What happened to Koril? What's she been up to? Likely Resolution: Solved in Finale, related to above. Honestly, I'm pretty convinced at this point that Koril survived, saved and raised Mae, until Mae decided to go make a deal with the Sith for additional training. Not sure we're going to get details but I'm pretty sure she'll at least show up.

Why did Mae think Osha was dead? Likely Resolution: Probably left to interpretation. But also I bet she was told Osha was dead either by Koril in the same way that Obi-Wan told Luke Anakin was dead in the OT (dead to them, beyond help), or to keep her focused on her training and her anti-Jedi mission.

How did Aniseya create the girls, and why was Koril so afraid of the Jedi finding out? Likely Resolution: Possibly left vague or for season 2, if it's Sith related. We know it definitely had something to do with the vergence, it was mostly Aniseya's doing, and Koril was very afraid of the Jedi finding out. My theories on this are either 1) it was a deal with the Sith. The Sith want to create life and they collaborate on an experiment with Aniseya. We know from other media and also confirmed by Indara/the Council's insistence on noninterference, that the Jedi don't actually care about other Force sects in the galaxy...with one big exception. Koril might be afraid they're about to uncover something that takes the vibe from 'live and let live' to a much more serious conflict. The Sith presumably would also be pretty pissed if the coven blew a thousand years of secrecy. And 2) the coven might be possessive of the vergence, if it's giving them power, and not want the Order to discover it so they could keep it for themselves. A bit weaker, but the coven might not realize the Jedi already suspect the vergence exists.

What IS the vergence? Likely Resolution: Maybe mentioned? Maybe not? I don't know I just really liked people speculating that the vergence is BOTH the Bunta tree and the spooky dark hole, would fit into the dyadic themes.

What are the origins of the Brendok coven and what did they do to get themselves exiled? Likely Resolution: Unresolved. There's the slightest chance they'd tie this explanation to what Aniseya did to create the girls but I bet they're not going to want to lock themselves into an explanation and will leave it up to interpretation. I'm not sure I even have theories, I could see it going a whole bunch of ways. People are going to come up with their own headcanons probably.

Why is Vernestra so afraid of a Senatorial audit? Likely Resolution: Left for season 2 / Hinted at. I think they might mention it a little bit, but I wouldn't be surprised if they leave it up in the air. Honestly, I sort of hope they do, personally I think it would be wise, because that would allow the books to wrap up and give us a better picture of Vernestra's position at the end of the Nihil crisis. I have my own book-related theories as to why she's so suspicious of the Senate (given where Temptation of the Force left off, I think the Senate is going to sell the Jedi out to work with Marchion Ro for the cure to the blight. This would also dig into her issues with Elzar, since he's the main liaison to the Senate and they've got a lot of unresolved issues. Feeling decent about it ending well though, he still hasn't given her Stellan's lightsaber and that feels like something that would happen at the resolution of their issues). I also would buy that she's starting to see into the future, maybe this is the new topic of her hyperspace visions, and is reluctant to let them be drawn in politically (all her 'something to turn the tide' stuff suggests she's sensing the growing darkness).

Did Indara know Mae was alive / how did Torbin know Mae was alive? Likely Resolution: Left up to interpretation. *Also technically includes 'Did Kelnacca know Mae was alive?' but we just have so little to go off of with that one, we do at least have Indara and Torbin's reactions to Mae. Up until the second flashback, I would have phrased this 'how did they both know Mae was alive' but I am no longer convinced that Indara did. It's possible Indara had no idea until she saw the mark on Mae's forehead and was just doing some very quick panic processing, which could have contributed to turning the tide of the fight. She's no longer focused, Mae can use the dirty trick with the bartender to catch her out. Obviously Torbin knew before Mae actually showed up (he calls her by the correct name, confirmed via CCs ), but they don't specify how long he's known. His 'I've been waiting for you, Mae' could mean he's known from the start and been waiting for 16 years. It could mean the 10 of the Barash Vow, maybe something happens and he finds out which contributes to his decision to take the Vow. But I've always had on my theory list that he'd seen Indara's death in the Force and that's how he knew Mae was alive and probably coming for him next. I think they'll probably leave this one up to us, considering the 3 murdered Jedi's narratives aren't really front and center, I think that ambiguity was just to add to the mystery around the flashback.

How did Torbin make master so quickly? Likely resolution: this is barely a question. This just keeps coming up on Reddit, especially from people who are still convinced 'to become a master you have to graduate an apprentice to knighthood' is hard canon. (Correct me if I'm wrong, I don't even remember where that comes from, but I'm fairly certain you don't need to have had an apprentice to be elevated to master. Or else Anakin's anger at not being elevated in RotS doesn't really make sense, if he knows he hasn't fulfilled an essential requirement, and Elzar's elevation is a big plot point in the books and he doesn't ever mention an apprentice, nor does Avar.) My personal headcanon is 'overcompensation and burnout.' Becomes an overachiever to try to make up for what happens. Given that they lied, the Order sees nothing but a model Jedi, and keeps rewarding that behavior while he tries to hide the cracks, until it all catches up to him. Alternatively, he's not 'really' a master, and it's just parlance, or there's some sort of ceremonial elevation for special circumstances like the Barash Vow. Nonissue, it's just come up a couple times.

Why did Osha leave the Order? + Why did Indara advocate for her to leave? Likely resolution: might be mentioned, might be left on the 'because I failed' line. I made a longer post about this one, but there are a few possibilities. I don't think they're going to explain it, just allow the audience to believe it was about not being able to let go of her anger at Mae, but if it ends up being my weird 'push-pull, when one twin gains power the other loses it' theory, they might address it.

WHAT AM I MISSING? Any final questions left on the table? Send them to me! I have had so much fun theorizing, I only wish this was longer. I keep joking that in a better timeline there's a 12 episode version of this show but it is not actually that much of a joke lol, it would have really been something if it had been allowed to develop the characters a little deeper and let some things breathe over a longer season.

My final prediction still stands: Sol is going down for training Mae, the deaths of the team of Khofar, and at this point probably the Brendok coven as well, since it's going to look like he took out Indara, Torbin, and Kelnacca to keep them quiet. And sorry, I highly doubt he's going to live out the finale. I think he's going to have a final confrontation with the twins, and Osha is going to kill him in an emotionally charged moment. If he was alive to provide testimony, that's problematic for the Sith, but dead he makes an extremely convenient scapegoat. Bazil has also seen a LOT of things out of context on board the ship leaving Khofar, I think his testimony could be damning. Sol's done a bunch of suspicious things, like when he didn't include himself on the list of targets during the meeting, failing to apprehend Mae, (seemingly to Vernestra) lying about Mae's death, Kelnacca didn't seem to put up a fight suggesting he may have known his attacker, turned off his transponder and disobeyed an order to remain, etc etc.

This is the solution to the riddle 'how to kill a Jedi without a weapon', destroying their legacy. Or, the riddle could have multiple solutions, it could also refer to Osha going full Sith. My only issue with the 'Sol is framed' theory is that there seems from leaks to be a formal funeral, which wouldn't necessarily happen if they thought Sol was a rogue Jedi or Sith. But possibly the Order will keep up Sol's good name for outsiders, and this is just what convinces the Council that there still aren't any real Sith out there. Funeral could also possibly be a collective one for everyone else who died.

I think Qimir and Osha are for sure going to live, I'm slightly on the fence about Mae but I'm leaning toward 'also survive'. I am 100% (ok I'll keep it at 90%) sure Koril is alive and shows up at some point. Leaks say there are a couple significant cameos, I'm guessing Sith pulled from Legends books or long-lived High Council members.

Will add on if anything comes to me in the next couple days but it's been nice theorizing with you all! I don't know what I'm going to do after this, wait for Tears of the Nameless to come out. Or, I guess, think about something else? Crazy.

[newswcanonprompts]

Slave Chips + Anakin Angst time

(who tf had this convo? whoever it was, all your body parts are going on the wall. kneecaps = TAKEN for making me fuckin cry)

The conversation started w/ a Anakin has chronic pain because of a very Loud force presence + all the fun stuff that comes from a childhood in slavery and formative years spent as a general in a war, and then talking about high vs low pain perception

And then Yui hops in with this:

what if Slave masters have technology in the slave chips where they can control their slaves pain perception--Low perception for when they work and high for when they get punished.

The jedi didn't know about it, Qui-gon forgot to mention the chip to the Council

and Watto " forgot " to turn it the high pain perception off as a way of getting back at the Jedi for “stealing” his investment

Oh my God what if anakin thinks they know and choose not to turn it off

WHAT IF HE THINKS THAT THEY'RE PUNISHING HIM FOR QUI-GON BEING QUI GON AND FOR THEM BEING FORCED TO TAKE HIM IN SO OLD

AND THAT FEEDS HIS BITTERNESS OF THEM

AND ALSO STOMPS HIS SELF ESTEEM

Because the pain NEVER stops.

So Anakin never says anything

It makes him think that he definitely cannot tell them about any injuries he has unless they make him unfit to work

And Obi-Wan constantly lectures him too and like he's already being punished he doesn't need to be verbally beaten down too

(note that it’s from Anakin perspective, the unreliable narrator of the year--Obi-wan actually has no idea about the chip)

And when he lashes out because it just HURTS and he can't contain it anymore, he’s berated AGAIN

Also, if the pain perception is controlled, that means the slave chip is still there, which makes the thought process he has about being punished for being taken so old even worse

And then, what if Kix one day finds a chip in Anakin's nervous system, he removes it, and Anakin begins crying with relief

And Kix goes "Sir Why WAS THIS TORTURE DEVICE IN YOU?"

He gets injured enough for emergency surgery and Kix finds the chip that way, meanwhile, Anakin can't have anesthesia for medical reasons, so he's dealing with the surgery awake and feels the moment the chip is detached.

WHAT IF ANAKIN IS FAKE NONCHALANT ABOUT IT BECAUSE ANGST

"Ah? Oh they didn't tell you? I thought it'd be in the brief. That's my slave chip. It's supposed to be there. It means they own me." And kix...kix is aghast.

the Jedi are all crying in a corner at the fact they let a CHILD be tortured for YEARS

Because Anakin admitted to a slave chip. Of being owned. And he calls obi-wan Master

Obi-Wan is absolutely devastated because he tortured the child who he was responsible for and he never wanted to do that and oh force, he's a monster (it’s obi wan so like. infinite sadness to the max)

The clones basically become Anakin's mother hens

WHAT IF THIS IS HOW THEY FIND THE CLONE CHIPS TOO

BC KIX GOES "IF THEIR JETII HAS A CHIP...ONE OF THEIR OWN... WHAT ABOUT US CLONES?"

Also the fact so if this is during the Clone Wars: they've sent Anakin in as a soldier without him even knowing he had a right to not fight

The Council decides immediately to take Anakin off the front and get to seeing a mind healer, before collectively drinking an entire bar under the table

Oh God did anyone ever explain to anakin. In depth. That just because they are called "Master" does not mean they own him?

AS A SLAVE, HE WAS ALLOWED HIS THOUGHTS AND EMOTIONS. HIS MASTERS BEFORE DID NOT OWN HIS MIND. BUT THAT'S NOT THE CASE WITH THE JEDI, IN HIS PERSPECTIVE

(again, Anakin’s perspective, the Jedi didn’t actually know. This somehow becomes an eventual fix it lol.)

Like LOGICALLY Anakin knows that Master to them means teacher but he thinks it doesn't apply to him because they won him and he is still a slave

What if that's the reason he kept his marriage to Padme a secret, not because he was afraid of being kicked out of the Order, but because he would be punished for loving a free person?

YEAH BC SLAVES DON'T GET MARRIED AND PADME WAS NOT ONLY A FREEBORN, BUT SHE IS ALSO, IN HIS EYES, SO FAR ABOVE HIS STATION ITS NOT EVEN FUNNY

Oh, with the removal of the chip and the pain, Anakin gets high from the huge levels of pain-relieving chemicals his body has been producing for years to compensate.

Anakin living in constant fear of punishments, and that's why he always seems so high strung and on a hair trigger

Like!! This whole thing is a web of miscommunication and assumptions

Anakin assumes that the Jedi and whatever know about the chip and chose to keep it in.

He assumes he is still a slave if not in name, then in status

He assumes the council is constantly punishing him for Qui-Gon essentially forcing them to take him in and for his failure to adhere to their code.

He assumes Obi-Wan feels the same, or perhaps he cannot risk going against the council bc they're his elders and he still loves Obi-Wan, bc he sees that Obi-Wan does care for him

(but not enough to free you, a voice whispers in his head that grows louder every day)

Him talking about things with Palpy, thinking the man would be nice enough to free him...

the entire temple is just full of people drinking and crying over Anakin and Anakin himself is currently the most functional person around, trying to convince everyone it wasn't that bad

He doesn't realize that that makes it so much worse. He's all "Really, compared to my other masters. And to masters I could have gone to... you all were kind. I was lucky."

And they despair.

Because how could they still be given that earnest smile, of beautiful blue eyes, shining still with trust and love, when they tormented him, albeit unknowingly, for over a decade?

Anakin is just very relieved to be pain free, and that they didn't know so it wasn't on purpose.

Anakin: You all treated me so well! I had food and water every day, shelter and good quality clothing. You never beat me and my punishments, while sometimes painful, were done with no tricks without cruelty.

“You’re the best masters I’ve had.”

Mace, upon being told this by a very earnest and 100% honest Anakin, knowing full well how he made life difficult for Anakin and didn't like him much, cleared a whole bar of alcohol on his own

While the Jedi are crying, the 501st is willing to go on a murder spree. The Hutts are DEAD.

Everyone say bye bye Gardulla and Jabba

Anakin is just happy and relieved.

Yes there will be talking. He will have to establish boundaries, the order will need to regain its footing.

But Anakin is free, and he has so much love to give.

And now he knows that they never meant for him to suffer.

And maybe he's still high on being free of pain, but now he knows they genuinely cared for him and none of their kindness was because they wanted him to perform well. They were genuine.

Obi-Wan at one point just breaking down and holding Anakin to his chest and sobbing because how did he fail him so badly

meanwhile Anakin's just like "Master, it's fine, I'm fine. Hey crying wastes water, if you're going to cry over something it's gotta be something more major than this. I mean everything's fine, everything's better than fine now, I'm free."

Anakin not quite processing why everything he says makes Obi-Wan cry harder.

Quinlan must be very glad that he never tried to touch Anakin directly.

Anakin's self-flagellation issues are through the ROOF

[robin-hoodlum]

Do you have ideas for your cowboy au or is it just aesthetic?

I DO HAVE IDEAS -Cracks knuckles- but they are jumbled just as my thoughts usually are so I apologize. This is what I have so far:

1- the clones were rescued by Jango (at the behest of Boba tbh). I’m not sure precisely how the little details were, but basically this gunslinger saw his clones, how they were being raised and went “This is fucked” And stole them all. The clone war was more of a war of rights and they won. (with the help of, surprisingly, the Jedi and the Mandalorians) They work all over, a lot becoming farmers, some becoming bounty hunters (a group largely run by Boba and Jango), basically they are actual fuckin citizens and that’s how it SHOULD BE. 

(1a- so the side result of this is that when the fight to take down the Jedi started, they really didn’t have as much structured support. The ultimate goal of freeing the clones worked, but the Jedi and Mandalorians were reduced significantly in number and now sort of stay low to keep from drawing too much attention. 

1b- Vader never existed, And the twins are thriving as both political and Jedi persons. Leia was trained as a Jedi, Luke runs a little school now and both were raised by their parents. Anakin is a disaster. Uncle Obi wan runs a ranch where a lot of the clones chose to work and it makes a great vacation for the twins when Padme and Anakin need a break)

2- The Mandalorians are still a religion/creed with different sects of belief. They are still known as badasses in all forms, tho. The one common thing is the darksaber, and whoever wields it is largely seen as their leader and representative. During the clone wars, their planet (lands? I think its in space but this can all be argued seeing as I messed with it all anyway) was destroyed and stripped of its resources because the imperials saw them as a threat. 

3- The Jedi are kind of the same... kinda. More of a code of living. (The force still exists because I said so). Just like the Mandos, their own home was also destroyed and taken over, forcing them into hiding and functioning largely as an underground group. Once the war was won, and all settled, they came out of hiding for the most part, but still made an effort to be strictly peacekeepers and resort to battle as a last resort, as it was supposed to be. 

3a- I imagine they all started their own sorts of peace keeping groups too. Like for some examples, I like to think (and I know) Plo koon took care of orphaned children (Clone cadets, Padawans, basically any child that was affected thusly by the war) alongside several other Jedi. Mace probably became some sort of liaison or political leader to represent them as a people. (Maybe? Idk. He seems like he wants a break maybe he runs some sort of general store) For examples.

5- It’s got kind of the same political settings as The Mandalorian I would imagine. Most of the empire is gone but they still exist, and a lot of people deny the signs. Mando (HErE WE GO THE GOOD STUFF) is the provider for his clan, as it is in the show. the difference is he’s not the only named one. -looks at paz- and so it’s more of a joint effort. 

6- So Mando gets the same sort of storyline there- definitely large differences tho because of how much I changed shit. He goes to get the bounty, bounty is kid. Well shit gotta adopt. Duh. Mandalorians treasure kids why tf would he turn him over? No. Congrats Din, It’s a bean boy. He worries about how he’s supposed to care for this kid that can MAKE SHIT FLOAT and TOSS PEOPLE AROUND WITH HIS BRAIN and also be making money for the clan, so he asks around and finds out about the Jedi that still run around helping people, and also there is a school teacher who happens to be a Jedi. Gotta find that guy

7- Well once more it becomes the side quest storyline of the century. We have Razor, who is our loveable and dumb steed, she loves food more than anything (guzzler, if you will) except for Din himself, who she would carry into the depths of Hell if he had asked. She also starts off by not liking Grogu, because he’s stealing her best buddy’s attention away from her. Thankfully, they figure it out over time. And it’s adorable and one day Din wakes up to see Grogu sleeping on Razor’s flank, and she has her head near him in a protective way. 

8- He meets with Boba when he needs information (Slave is Jango’s baby but he will throw shoes for Boba as well) And they go on a mini adventure to find this sith-damned elusive school teacher who always seems to be on the move for some reason. They meet several clones, Jedi, Mandalorians, and Imps along the way and it’s nuts

9- Accidental Manda’lor Din? Accidental Manda’lor Din. Poor man has no idea what is about to go down but it’s gonna go down and it will be glorious

This got really long and I apologize but these are the basic(?) ideas I have 

[elliewillicms]

Major Characters Review

I did minor characters in another post I  feel like only a small percentage will be agreeing with me on what I say in this one tbh

MAJOR SPOILERS AHEAD

Poe Damnson

I don’t think you understand how much I love Poe I knew he was going to be an amazing character in the beggining of tfa  and when he was messing with hux. I Never stanned a man as great as that

He made a ur mom joke get u a freak like that 

Is it just me but I never got the idea in epsiode 7 Poe was a complete hothead who just shot shit and didn’t 100% listen like the idea of him being reckless is there and seen with being captured and escaping the first order and in 8 with him stalling and hoping not to get shot down but I never saw that was his entire personality and they focused a lot of time on it

Biggest m o o d is the okay relief he had when he realized finn and rose were alive and than when he saw bb8 it’s like they’ve been separated for months that’s q u a l i t y  c o n t e n t

and how every owner acts when they their see pet tbh

And listen Poe Dameron would never not listen to Leia Organa he respects her too much idk what they were thinking smh

But Oscar Isaac was amazing in every scene as he worked well with what he had so my complaints are few

@ JJ Abraham’s don’t be a coward and make Poe gay for fucks sake

In a world like this is it such a strange concept for someone to not be straight smh

Leia “men are her majority of problems”” Organa

I’m glad we got to see her use the force at least once but I felt due to the effects on the scene it looked sort of weird seeing her just floating back but i’ll take what I can get 

My heart literally stopped for a second when they destroyed the ship with her in it and I never felt happier knowing that she was okay tbh 

I’m really sad knowing we will never see the og on screen together I know their moving on to the new characters and stuff but I just find it disrespectful to fans in general

We all already knew Leia was an icon but she keeps besting with herself by getting out of a coma to shoot poe to knock some sense into him 

IT MAKES ME SO BITTER WE ONLY GOT ONE SCENE WITH LUKE AND LEIA

Like I wish we could have seen more development in their relationship as siblings seeing as it went to them finding out their related and than to episode 8

In this house we don’t say Han and Leia were bad parents they weren’t perfect but you know they care/cared for their son.Read the book bloodline I can’t say exactly but Leia was worried about Ben a lot when the truth of Darth Vader being her father came out to the galaxy.(Which she kept hidden for understandable reasons)

In loving memory of our princess,Carrie Fisher I wanted to cry

I’m honestly terrified they won’t do carrie and leia justice in epsiode 9 seeing as it will be her last time.But Carrie as did all the actors did amazing in their scenes

Finn sweetie I’m so sorry an ugly bitch like that would do that oh my god

FINN the main reason I was excited to see this movie and they disrespected the character and John so bad

Like he was a large part and a MAIN CHARACTER in episode 7 and than suddenly he’s a side character tf

They baited us with diversity and than sidelined the black main because they weren’t sure how to write the story that included him in the right way

Honestly I’ll say it there’s racism underline in all this because if Finn was a white guy he wouldn’t have been sideline at all like this in the movie or in promos/merch

If JJ Abram’s was the writer/director for this film he wouldn’t have put finn and John in an unimportant side plot as he was the one who advocated for John to have this role because what a surprise K*thleen Kennedy wanted to cast another white guy and kept refusing at first 

They gave the poc a plot that didn’t even help forward the narrative or really accomplish anything.Finn as a person didn’t develop at all which sucks with what he received compared to tfa who was amazing 

And we all know who Rian Johnson’s fave is and gave the most development....

Anyway I enjoyed what he had of him I suppose I hoped there would be more to his character I felt he developed the least out of all which is horrible and I hate the fact the friendship of Rey & Finn got really sidelined

He deserved beating phasma as she was trash to him

If you think about it him being at the casino was probably the first time he was ever anywhere that nice due to the fact it hasn’t been long since he escaped the first order

 it makes me sad we never see finn and luke interaction 

Luke “dramatic af “Skywalker

First thing he does is throw the lightsaber what a  m o o d

To be fair nothing good has ever come from that lightsaber so what an understandable reaction

I’m so bitter we barley had any reaction of him finding out about Han being dead and not really talking to Leia about it smh

The only time I saw I really saw og luke was when he saw r2 which was so pure

Listen I heard about the milking thing beforehand but I really wasn’t prepared for that shit like 99.9% sure he did that to fuck with Rey he was enjoying that too much

Honestly Rian mistreated his character so bad I can’t even comprehend it into words first of tell me why would Luke try and kill his nephew after his father was on the dark side and fought to bring him back even though the chances were low he still tried and succeed.Killing Ben would not have been his first reaction to solving the problem as he didn’t even turn completely yet.

Yoda was unnesscary to the plot and only used him because he was cheaper than anakin or obi wan who would have showed up to solve the bs

Luke getting shot at repeatedly as the smoke clears he just dust himself up as he we see Kylo get even more pissed at him poetic cinema 

But than it was ruined with the unnecessary death I’m sure but somewhat hoping we will see a force ghost but seriously it was stupid and lazy writing and we barley got anything of this older and more experienced Luke and it’s sad knowing with the inevitable ending of Leia the Skywalker family the building of this franchise is gone

Kylo “he may have been manipulated at first but he’s a grown ass man who can make his own bad decisons” Ren

I’m very iffy on this character I wouldn’t say I like him but hate is too strong of a word but I do like how Adam portrays him so...

I felt sympathy at small moments but than it’s ruined when he goes on muderous rampages... 

Mainly due to how Adam plays conflicted good and it’s sad how Leia and Han two people who fought for the galaxy their kid turned out like this 

What I like about this character which isn’t a lot is that they stick with the fact he isn’t a hero and a somewhat interesting villain and that will be ruined if they redeem him because it doesn’t fit his past actions.

The character snoke was wasted like who tf was he and why was he so powerful and important

Only good thing Kylo did was kill him tbh

Listen I’m not a reylo shipper but their scenes were not super bad I actually like the idea of them falling into the middle of agreement as they couldn’t be on the same side but sort of neutral terms but kylo fucked  that up and Rey is possibly back to hating him which to me is the god tier ending and the later just okay.

At this point Kylo is blaming everything on everyone else in reality he’s the one causing damage to his self and everyone else (like he cares)

And I really don’t understand how people ship reylo ship what you want whatever but they literally disagree on everything,torture,fought etc. and kylo told her she was nothing and Rey called him a monster a shit ton of times so... idk it doesn’t fit with how they responded to each other

I have a lot of thoughts right now and mixed feelings on this character but listen I like him as a conflicted villain that could become a complete villain not a conflicted hero because it doesn’t work well that way I guess I could accept a Darth Vader yeah I fucked up a lot which led to my death but I can accept that  but no the he just joins the hero’s bs 

Rey that’s pretty disappointing tbh

One of the problems people had with Rey in 7 she was pretty well off in using the force with no experience

And we literally got nothing they built that up and we got no answers for why she does.

I somewhat like the idea of her parents just being nobodies it’s sad but at the same time it doesn’t fit with what was expected to get

Maybe one of her parents actually had some force abilities idk I doubt they will ever get into that

Also the possibility kylo is lying as he wouldn’t be the most truthworthy person to be making that revelation

The scene where Rey thinks she’s touching the force I love her so much

I thought we would get more Jedi training

Rey and Finn friendship erasure is gross

Her smile when she met poe was n i c e and can’t wait to see more interaction with them

I am confusion how she went to calling kylo a monster to calling him Ben so quick

Y i k e s to the unnesscary shirtless scene and Rey commenting on it

Enjoyed her more as a character in this one idk why but she certainly had character growth