#honda odyssey or toyota

[hirocimacruiser]

Trust Gracer aero kit lineup from the mid 90s

[things-about-cars-in-posts]

racing minivans ??? i n e e d

And, as noted in the post's replies, you will get :)

But if you need more right away, I recommend checking out Lemons!

They race minivans!

Old minivans!

Rare minivans that blow up for no reason!

Dustbusters!

Oh, if you were unaware, the one on the right, an Oldsmobile Silhouette, is a minivan that was nicknamed "dustbuster" because... well, let me help you visualize it.

Because early minivans are now old and undesirable, so it's easy to find one you can pick up for $500 - or even one you can pickup for $500!

Or, of course, you can just cut the body off a car and graft a VW atop it!

But if you think this should be a purely minivans list and are thus looking at that "VW" sideways, well boy do I have just the one for you!

Yes, that's the orientation it races in.

(Also, if vans do count, the Cessna plane on the left was grafted over a Toyota van!)

Links in blue are posts of mine about the topic in question - if you liked this post, you might like those!

[daisyducklover2021]

Daisy has some exciting news this summer

Daisy: Hey Della, Minnie invited me to work at Camp Minnie.

Della: Wow that’s great sis!

Daisy: I know its great to be working with Minnie and Cuckoo Loca again.

Della: What do you do at Camp Minnie?

Daisy: I go on Nature Trail, Campfire Songs to the Kids, Lifeguard, and More.

Della: That’s a Big Responsibility.

Daisy: Minnie rented an electric RV.

Della: Boy that's more expensive than a diesel RV.

Daisy: She decided to rent that because she cares about the environment.

Della: That makes a lot of sense.

Daisy: Cuckoo Loca and I would rent a small school bus to take the kids to and from camp.

Della: That saves time.

Daisy: We call the local bus company and she said we can use it but doesn't want to show the name so Cuckoo Loca order a banner to cover the name.

Della: It’s very Inspiring of her make your rental bus personal.

Daisy: Thank You Della!

Della: You’re Welcome, Wait who would take over your Art Studio when I’m not Available?

Daisy: Oh don’t worry about that, I let the other Daisy who took over After I left the Funhouse and I taught her to learn art for a couple days.

Della: At least you’re going away for the summer and I could help her if she forgets.

Daisy: I appreciate your help Della I have to get going, Minnie and Cuckoo Loca are waiting for me.

Della: Ok, have fun Daisy.

Daisy: Bye, Thanks Della My Trail Blaster Boots with Patented High-O-Matic Technology just came in my Apartment.

Della: Trail Blasted What?

[savageonwheels]

2023 Toyota Sienna Platinum AWD

Got a family of 4 or more? Minivans are the most logical and comfortable answer and Toyota's Sienna has it all my friends, plus AWD and a hybrid!

Sienna a praiseworthy hybrid hauler oozing luxury + AWD … Minivans may be the smartest automotive vehicle design ever for families. Nothing is more comfortable or accommodating for packing in the offspring, grandparents, and all for around-towning or a cross-country outing. For that Toyota’s Sienna Platinum AWD is the most luxurious and yet practical conveyance I’ve yet tested, despite its $50+…

[castielsprostate]

logan and wade have to go car shopping because they've effectively killed every single honda odyssey ever made and are now a protected species, and they buy a toyota corolla because the suspension is the only one that can keep up with whatever the fuck they got going on

[seat-safety-switch]

Every day that I don’t keep on top of the horsepower arms race in my neighbourhood is another chance for the local dads to buy a minivan that can, at last, beat me at the stoplight drags. It hasn’t been easy. Honda, Toyota, and even Chrysler have been pumping out near-yearly double-digit horsepower gains. My car is from the late 70s, made by drunks, and had to rely on chicanery and creative accounting in order to produce its quoted horsepower.

To compete, of course, I need to turn up the wick. eBay forged pistons. eBay turbo kits. eBay port-injected nitrous oxide kits running on a computer that may or may not just be an old Timex-Sinclair ZX81 jammed into a cardboard box in my passenger footwell. Doing an oil change once in awhile. This is genuine racing development, which is essential because the exit to my neighbourhood has a stoplight, followed by a two-lane section that constricts into a one-lane on-ramp, and I am tired of being effortlessly gapped by base-model Odysseys, their rear-seat DVD players blaring the entire way to daycare.

Now, I hear the clucking from the peanut gallery. Racing on the street is evil. Immoral. Dangerous. I don’t think any external observer would consider this to be “racing.” Racing implies a competition of sorts. On one side, you have a baby-shit-brown Malaise Era smog machine trying its best to keep from herniating a crankshaft, and in the other lane is a van stuffed to the brim with strollers, toddler toys, and vomit. I don’t think they even notice me struggling alongside them, and even if they did, would not consider me to be in the same performance class as their nearly seven-hundred-horsepower, nine-second-quarter-mile triple-turbocharged V-12 family box on wheels. If they hit me, they’ve got like sixty airbags in that thing, and I’ll have to walk home, where I might get hit by someone operating a minivan, who is busy yelling at their kids and has taken their eyes off an unmaintained crosswalk at a poorly chosen time.

One of these days, though, my performance-development arm will bear fruit. I’ve already released some of my boost secrets to actual racing teams, who I’m sure grimace every time they receive one of my grainy faxes, stunned that I had somehow individually engineered a way to pick up a hundred horsepower through sheer force of will without even having gasket-matched the ports. All I’m gonna say is, if you see a Slant Six with a smog head in next year’s F1 races, let me know. I don’t own a TV, because I sold it to afford new ARP studs.

[ere-the-sun-rises]

TL; DR: He bricked the Cybertruck but the F-150 lived

I saw an edit of this video on here earlier and immediately had to go watch it for myself. It's a pretty good video and this guy has enough wild-eyed crazy in him that watching him destroy a vehicle is very entertaining.

The gist of the video is that he pits the Cybertruck against an F-150 in an extreme durability test. Obviously, this is for entertainment mostly and not necessarily a product review, so I felt compelled to add come context to the "flaws" and flaws the vehicles demonstrate.

Disclaimer: I am not a mechanic or an automotive engineer. I do have enough knowledge, however, to add some information to what the video shows. That said, let's go.

Rolling off the flatbed truck without ramps.

The major difference between combustion/"regular" and electric vehicles is not necessarily what fuel they use, but how the engine is composed.

Combustion engines feed fuel into into pistons which allow in a small amount of air in to combine with the ignition flame to begin and maintain the combustion process. These pistons then compress, driving the pressure into the rest of the engine and using the force to create motion. This is why a vehicle, if left in neutral with the brakes off, will drift forward - if the engine is running, combustion is taking place and that forward momentum will be used. These pistons are what mark out a vehicle's V classication - eg. V-4, V-6 and V-8. This V number represents how many of these pistons there are and therefore how much power they can output. V-4s are usually economy cars, mini vans or very small SUVs (think a Ford Fiesta, a Honda Odyssey or a Honda CR-V). V-6s are for more robust cars, SUVs, and light pickup trucks (think a Chrysler 300, a Kia Sorento or a Toyota Tundra). V-8s are the strongest type, and can be put towards speed or hauling, depending on thr design of the vehicle. A Ford Escape, for example, is very fast for an SUV because it is built light and spacious - intended to carry its load inside the body of the vehicle. A Chevrolet Silverado, by comparison, is meant to haul and puts its strength into pulling and torque instead of speed.

Due to the fact that combustion engines have to generate their own energy through the combustion process, these engines are very reliant on "hardware" - ei. physical parts that operate based on physical imput and interaction. The gearbox in your transmission, for example, is made up of actual gears that have to turn and lock into place for the transmission to turn and thus power the axels which spin the wheels.

Electric vehicles have none of this. Since they have no power generation requirement, that space is taken up by batteries and motherboards which fulfil all the roles of various hardware. Why would you need a transmission to turn when the motherboard can command the axels to turn on its own? The trade off is that EVs almost exclusively run on "software" - ei. the onboard computer. This means that their undercarriage has no dangling parts to get snagged or damaged like a CV.

Neither of these things are inherently bad. On one hand, EVs have nothing down there to snag when it rolls off the back of the flatbed. Downside, the high toxic, flammable and delicate batteries are in the undercarriage. Damaged motherboards are also much harder and trickier to replace and repair. CVs have a vulnerable undercarriage, but they're easy parts to replace or can be fixed quickly. Most of the undercarriage of a CV is also not flammable - it's just running hardware and exhaust.

Suspension and ride comfortability.

Suspension refers to the metal coils and hydraulics that take and displace the impact from tires hitting and running over things. Suspension exists on a spectrum from "soft" to "hard", and most vehicles fall somewhere in the middle.

"Soft" suspension is meant for ride comfort - the suspension coil is kept less tense and absorbs more impact, keeping the ride more level and smooth. This is common in luxury cars or brands like Cadillac or Lexus. The downside of this is that it wears your suspension down much faster. They need to be replaced more frequently and it can also be harder on the axels, depending on what you do with it. Speed bumps, if taken unevenly, really fuck soft suspension.

"Hard" suspension is meant for durability - the suspension coil is kept very tense and rigid, displacing the impact more into the body of the vehicle and back into the ground. This makes the ride a lot rockier, but the vehicle itself a lot more stable. Most vehicles with 4 Wheel Drive or offroading capability lean towards hard suspension to preserve the vehicle's integrity and power output.

In the video, the Cybertruck clearly has softer suspension than the hard suspension F-150. This is why the Ford had a rockier ride but the phone didn't go flying when they landed. The Ford is much more resistant to hard impact than the Cybertruck.

Towing and frame construction.

Towing capacity is in part from the horsepower put out by the engine, but also by the integrity of the frame.

Most vehicle's frames are one solid aluminum skeleton, sometimes welded in places but often cast all at once. Trucks, specifically, usually use the "unibody" design with a built-in trailer hitch. This allows the entirety of the frame to carry the weight of the towed object as it would if it were in the bed of the truck. This is what the Ford is doing when it pulls the Cybertruck out of the mud - the entirety of the body is being used to pull.

The Cybertruck's hitch, in contrast, is attached only to the bumpers and not the frame of the vehicle. The bumper was attached to the frame, however, and when it tore off, it caused structural damage to the frame.

Frame damage is critical damage. It destabilizes the entire structure and can actually tear the vehicle apart from within. That metal needs to be reinforced or wholly replaced to be servicable again.

Aluminum vs steel frame.

Most trucks have aluminum frames ans for good reason.

Aluminum has the highest strength to weight ratio second only to titanium, meaning that for how light it is, it is incredibly strong. An F-150 made of aluminum is thousands of pounds lighter than one made of steel and is more durable.

Steel also goes brittle in the cold faster than aluminum, meaning it is more prone to tearing or rending under force when its's cold. (There's a test to determine this called the Charpy Test - go look them up, they're really cool.) Aluminum also rusts slower and less catastrophically than steel. You can see how this would be in issue in the cold or if your vehicle is left outside regularly.

Fibre glass vs steel body.

In the C-4 test, it blew a hole right through the F-150, because obviously. The Cybertruck remained intact, but jammed the door. This is more damning for the Cybertruck than the Ford.

The Ford is designed with safety in mind. The body of the truck is meant to take the impact in the event of a crash instead if the occupants. These manifest as "crumple zones", where the vehicle will let itself be crushed instead of the passengers. Fibre glass is very good at that, so that's what most exterior bodies are made from.

Crucially, they are also intended to be destroyable by first responders. A firefighter responding to a crash can cut through the door of that Ford with a saw pretty easily and extract the occupants. Alternatively, an occupant can force the doors open from the inside too, if necessary.

The Cybertruck is made of sheet steel and therefore much harder to cut through than fibre glass. The impact also jams the door lock, making it impossible to open from the inside. If your truck is on fire after an accident, you better hope the other door still works or you're dying in there. On that note ...

Slamming the doors and breakable windows.

The integrity of the Cybertruck's interior is a joke. What the actual fuck is that. Granted, neither of these vehicles are meant to be slammed like that, but the Ford's doors held together very well in comparison.

That means that even small impacts like slamming the door are being transferred into all the soft, squishy parts of the inside of the Cybertruck whereas the Ford is dispersing it immediately.

He calls out Ford's windows for cracking during this test, but again, that's an intentional design.

You'll notice he was able to grab and wiggle the glass without it breaking apart. That's because the glass is also, like the crumple zones, intended to take an impact on behalf of the occupant. It is designed to crack and spiderweb out BUT NOT shatter. Shattering glass can cause a lot of harm, especially to the eyes and face. Instead, even if it does break apart, it stays in larger chunks.

The Cybertruck, by contrast, does not spiderweb nearly as efficiently as the Ford and does, in fact, shatter in the driver's side window when they're throwing weights at it. It doesn't disperse the impact, it shatters under pressure (despite putting up with a lot of abuse) and it loses integrity in localized spots quite quickly.

If you're in a crash, the Ford's windows won't rupture your eyes with tiny razors.

Pulling strips off the Cybertruck.

This got me. This was the worst part.

When he pulls the strips off the top edge of the body, over the doors, you'll notice that it was glued on.

GLUED.

You do not glue metal together. You weld, rivet or bracket metal to itself (preferably like metal to like metal). Metal is usually not a porous surface, meaning it has nothing for the glue to hold onto. Do you have any idea how dangerous this barely-adhered strip of sheet metal would be if it flew off in a car crash? It's a huge metal boomerang - it's gonna kill someone. Temu-ass materials indeed.

How the fuck do you half-ass something so hard that you start whole-ass fucking it up? Lawnmowers have better structural and safety integrity.

The uh, the Ford doesn't have glued on body parts. If you were wondering.

Drive by wire and bricking.

Drive by wire is a cool invention and I'm sure it's pretty useful. In EVs, it cuts further down on weight and mades the steering more responsive.

In my opinion, though, it's a hazard on its own.

In CVs, the wheels are controlled by your steering column, which is attached to your wheel. The operation of the wheel is aided by hydraulic systems which assist you in the actual effort of turning the wheels. When your engine dies or the steering assistants take a hit, you can still control the vehicle directly (though it is much harder).

Drive by wire without a backup steering column (like the Cybertruck has) means that if the vehicle dies while you're in motion, you have no control over the vehicle at all anymore. You're fucked. God forbid your truck bricks because you drove though a puddle on the highway and you lose control entirely.

On that note too, I am firmly of the belief that none of your driving essentials should be controlled via screen. Physical buttons and shifters allow physical feedback, letting the driver keep their eyes on the road and move by muscle memory and touch alone. Touch screens are hazardous to the driver and those around them by forcing them to look at what they're pressing as opposed to the road. The Cybertruck's control screen being in the centre console also cuts down the driver's capability to use peripheral vision to monitor the traffic around them.

Now, most EVs put out by real companies do have a steering column and manual sticks still in place for these reasons, so it's not an EV problem, it's a Tesla one.

Driving off the lot.

I don't give a shit. Every vehicle you buy should come as advertised and drivable off the lot. You shouldn't have to get an app, set up an account and register your vehicle in order to charge the damn thing.

No one should be able to steal my car by stealing my phone. I draw the line. Fuck off.

So, yeah. The Cybertruck sucks even worse than we already thought it did. If you want an EV, buy it from a company that actually makes vehicles and not a billionaire's vanity toy company.

[sportsbianism]

update on my car search: i don't think it's within my budget currently to purchase a vintage toyota hiace with manual transmission. but i am still committed to finding a good minivan at a good price with manual transmission, good sound system, fun to drive, easy to repair, good gas mileage, and enough tow capacity for single occupancy fifth wheel. while the sienna is almost perfect, it doesn't come with manual transmission. neither does honda odyssey. the old school toyota previa does, but they are practically collectors items, 10k+ and i only saw one in all my searching. all the way across the country in seattle. there must be something out there i say to myself. and then it hit me. my beloved Ford Ranger is technically a Mazda. Can Mazda Save Me??

MAZDA 5!

they still make mazda 5 with a stick shift!!!

and in fact, my mom drives a mazda 5 and loves it. purchased after our sienna broke down. i have driven it. so fun to drive. excellent mileage. slightly smaller tow capacity but not too small. cheap! there's one for 4k only two hours from me!

not only that but my neighbor was asking how much i might sell my truck for!!!

i may be driving something else soon...

[anonymusbosch]

have seen the "you really bought a tesla?" post a couple times now and it's another one of those things that I think people often have misconceptions about

1. the cheapest Tesla (model 3) was the world's bestselling electric car from 2018 to 2020, when it was ousted by the 2nd-cheapest Tesla (model Y). the model Y was the single best selling car in the world in the first quarter of 2023. they are very popular.

2. the cheapest Tesla is $40,240 new. with the $7,500 tax credit for electric vehicles, a price tag of $32,740 puts it on par with the Honda Odyssey minivan's base price or with slightly nicer trims of SUVs like the Subaru Outback or Toyota RAV4, and only about $100 more than a new Prius Prime. People in California may also qualify for an additional $2000-$5000 rebate for buying one, bringing the price down to $27,740 - just $1000 more than a new Toyota Camry.

3. the concerns about safety are often weighted against an incorrect baseline - so far, current data show that electric vehicles aren't more likely to catch fire in an accident than gas vehicles and are actually less likely to do so (but this is difficult to get solid data on. there's a bunch of articles reporting on a study by an insurance company showing a massive reduction in fire risk but the underlying data are highly suspicious).

4. the big point of distrust that I think is grounded: recalls. some of the 22 (22!) model 3 recalls are ~trivial, like "the driver's side sun visor may be missing the airbag warning sticker", but some are more serious, like "the airbags might not be correctly connected to the car." it seems like a lot of the issues have been addressed on the current (2023-2027) line, but the recurring problems with things ranging from minor software issues to pretty serious function issues are good cause for concern. None of the ones I've read about seem as severe as Toyota's "oops the accelerator gets stuck and your car can't stop moving forward" recall or Ford's "oops the engine explodes" recalls [plural], and even the worst ones are on par with things we've seen before especially from US automakers (glaring at Ford, GM, and Ford again). Ford and GM are both guilty of continuing to use known bad parts for >5 years with (in one case) thousands of fires and (in another) over a hundred deaths. moreover, GM's Bolt EV is under a 100% recall for the 2017-2022 model years for high fire risk and Ford recalled over 100,000 hybrids for fire risk - so is Tesla worse than GM or Ford? I don't know if I'd say that, but I'd really want a car I buy to live up to a higher standard.

in short, the most popular teslas by a huge margin are the two most affordable ones, which are fairly accessible to consumers (especially in California). the risk of a tesla exploding or catching on fire is not, as far as I can tell, higher than other cars (and it appears to be less likely per million miles traveled than some other EVs on the market). teslas still have a bunch of quality issues, and they still have some stupid design choices - but you can easily buy a shittier car for a lot more money, particularly an American-made one.

[happyocelot]

Naruto for the character asks, please 😁 6, 8, 17, and 19!

Yes, an ask! 😁

6) Something they lost, but would love to have back

He would never admit this, but the Icha Icha books that were most likely destroyed in Pain's attack when the village was flattened.

They were a connection to Jiraiya, after all. He was crying as he read The Tale of the Gutsy Ninja, and even if he thought Icha Icha was stupid, Naruto still found himself wishing he had read beyond the first 10 pages and discussed it with him. 😢

8) What kind of car they would drive. 

Ooooh. I've given this some thought!

As a young teenager, he would get some ridiculously impractical two-seater convertible, and like, get it painted bright orange with naruto swirls all over. It would be garish and tacky and Sakura would point-blank refuse to get into it.

As a new dad, he would keep this convertible in the garage and get a Honda Odyssey or Toyota Sienna minivan for daily use. You know, a typical car that parents get when they have several kids. He would plaster a whole bunch of stickers onto the bumper, and, when Boruto and Himawari start going to school, he would be one of those parents who put those kids' soccer team logos and academic achievements stickers onto the car, irritating all of his friends.

He would be so over-the-top about this. I just know he would.

17) What they’d sing at karaoke

I have not listened to their songs, but since you like Six Tones, let's go with that. 😆

And maybe BTS. Unlike Six Tones, I have been forced to listen to their songs by my old high school classmates and I just know they're popular haha. Naruto would like the explosions in their videos.

19) When they feel safest

❤️ With Iruka-sensei

❤️ Resting against Jiraiya's back and sleeping like in that manga volume cover

❤️ That time when Kakashi-sensei piggybacked him to the village after he defeated Pain

❤️ Singing karaoke with his friends

❤️ Curled up with Hinata, Boruto, and Himawari shortly after becoming a parent

[theonyxranger]

if youre comfortable/have the time, what would you say r the top three things for a car owner to know about their car?

Okay, I thought about this for a bit because that's not as easy a thing to answer as you might expect, even if everything I'm about to say seems fairly obvious.

1. Learn how to check your fluids.

All non-electric vehicles have a variety of fluids that are used in different ways. If you have access to your owner's manual, you can use that to easily find and check your fluid levels. If not, a quick google search of your year/make/model will give you those answers as they're all vehicle specific. The most important ones are going to be oil, coolant, and brake fluid.

Checking your oil is usually very simple. If you've driven the vehicle within the last ten minutes or so, simply locate the oil dipstick in your engine bay with your engine OFF (usually a bright color, often labeled OIL) and pull it out. Wipe off the excess oil, stick it back it all the way, pull it back out and see where on the dipstick the oil stops. As long as the level is between the minimum and maximum marks on the dipstick, often marked with cross hatching, you do not* need to add any oil. If it looks dark or smells burnt, you may be due for an oil change.

*we'll come back to this.

Brake fluid and coolant are often in clear reservoirs visible in the engine bay. Both typically have MAX and MIN markers on the reservoir and, like your oil, so long as the level is between those two marks you do not need to add any fluid.

However! (This is where we come back to what I said before) if you notice your fluids are low and you ARE concerned, it's never a bad idea to start checking more often to make sure the level isn't dropping. If it is, add some and take your car in for an inspection!

2. Learn how your car is supposed to sound/feel when everything is working as it should

This won't be as long as the last one, I promise.

One of the most common causes for mechanical failure, in my experience, is ignorance. If you don't notice, or know, that your vehicle isn't behaving/braking/turning/sounding the way it's supposed to, why would you have any reason to take it in for inspection? Why would you expect to go for an oil change and find out your brakes are grinding? Or your tires are worn bald? Or your struts are blown?

If you know your car well enough to recognize when something changes, or isn't quite right, you're far more likely to catch it before it becomes a safety hazard (or savings hazard.)

3. Know your vehicle's limits

This one may seem like an odd one, but hear me out:

Your car can only do so much. At the end of the day, its one job is to get you where you need to go safely and reliably, and it's designed to do that in a specific way under a specific range of conditions.

If you take care of it, it'll take care of you. But a 2011 toyota corolla isn't going to do that in 13 inches of snow with a windchill of -5. A 2007 mazda mx5 isn't going to do that in a downpour with 30+ mph winds. A 2014 honda odyssey isn't going to do that in a panic-brake scenario with a uhaul trailer hitch and trailer hooked up and brakes that haven't been replaced in 50,000 miles on 9-year-old factory tires.

I know this was probably a lot more than you were looking for and it definitely wasn't coherent, but it took a solid 40 minutes for me to figure out what to say here and I hope it helps

[hirocimacruiser]

1997 TND Catalogue

1997 TND Catalogue. Rest of catalogue in reblogs.

[daisyducklover2021]

Daisy and Della are exciting to hear about the surprise.

Daisy: Hey Della, I heard one of my friend promotes me to run an Art Studio.

Della: Wow that is so cool, but wait what the Party Palace and the Funhouse?

Daisy: I was getting a bit bored going to the Funhouse.

Della: Then who will take your place?

Daisy: Oh I just hired a clone of myself from the Professor's Lab to take my place but her voice doesn't sound Identical like me.

Della: Oh Quackers, I wish it would’ve work.

Daisy: Yeah me too, anyway I still work with Minnie only for upcoming Party reservations and we still hang out during our free time.

Della: Sounds like you have been busy lately, is there a way I can help you run the place?

Daisy: Sure, I would need an extra hand for supplies and helping others.

Della: When can I start?

Daisy: How about now?

Della: Great, Let go have some painting.

Daisy: Oh Goody Good!

[savageonwheels]

2023 Kia Carnival SX Prestige

Kia takes minivans to a cooler level with awesome features and a luxury interior and trim with its new Carnival.

Carnival proves a festival of finery … When Kia rolled out its spiffy new Carnival minivan last year I was pretty sure nothing on the market drove, or looked, better. Now I’m certain. Oh, if you prefer a hybrid or AWD van you’ll have to look to Chrysler or Toyota. But for a standard internal combustion powered van, well, this is Kia’s mic drop moment. Carnival is a festival of finery wrapped…

[suksesberkahjaya]

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[anonymusbosch]

Toys for the rich that can cost less than a new Toyota Camry - before tax credits? You can get a brand new Chevy Bolt for $19k, cheaper than most sedans.

Even the cheapest Tesla, with federal tax credit, is $33k - that's $4k cheaper than a new Honda Odyssey (the classic mom van).

Electric cars give you range estimation. They also lie to you and save an extra 10-20 miles after their range estimates hit zero- after this you can't drive at highway speed and the car will drive slower and slower until you stop. You don't just run out. It depends on the manufacturer how exactly this is handled, but the car should be giving you tons of warnings well before you're in trouble. (And in OP's hypothetical, if you're on a mountain, driving downhill will recharge the battery.)

Yes, PV panels are not practical. This is largely because, as OP acknowledges, the area available vs the power density of sunlight is not great. Realistically, you can get about 200 W/m2 in strong sun and warm temps at solar noon with the panel facing the sun directly (which the panel on a roof of a car can't do unless many other things have gone wrong already). That's enough for - depending on the car - up to about one mile per hour per meter of panel in the best possible conditions. Which is something! Sometimes!

BUT it also costs money, adds reliability issues, introduces another potential expensive repair, only can help in some circumstances, and addresses an issue that (1) few drivers should be encountering and (2) the car tries quite hard to prevent you from reaching, which is why it's mainly super-luxury EVs that do it. It's flashy, expensive, and mostly useless.

1) Money. Normal solar panels that go on houses or in solar farms are mass-produced in standard shapes and sizes with standard frames and connections. They have standard quality and testing benchmarks that they've passed and they can more or less be made by the multimillions per year for barely more than the cost of raw materials. It's possible to shape thin solar cells to the roof of a car, which is, y'know, how some EVs do it, but it's far more expensive. The tools are bespoke and low-volume, you can't use the same cheap flat glass and standard aluminum framing, you have to re-test that it can stand up to rain and small hail and heat and high wind and all the other onslaughts that come with being on the roof of a car. The (optional) solar roof on a Hyundai Ioniq 5 adds >$1,000 to the purchase price while returning to you - at best - a whopping 3 miles per day if parked in full sun. Hyundai also offers solar cells on the most expensive Sonata hybrid - which will get you less than half a mile ler hour in full sun, but will set you back an extra $5,000. Cars that offer more than a few miles' worth per day are generally concept cars that'll set you back $100k or more, total, for up to ~40 miles. Cells are expensive and they don't gain you much.

2) Reliability and repair. On top of the purchase price, it's way more expensive to replace a panel with busted cells than to swap out a plastic body panel. There's more that can go wrong in assembly, it's harder to get replacement parts if you're in a crash, etc.

3) Solar panels are less effective when hot. When they're in the desert with free air circulation, that's one thing - if they're on top of the heat box that's a parked car? That's another. Much of the heating of a parked car happens through the windshields/windows (that's why putting a reflector up can drop the interior temps by 20 deg F or more). A parked car has the virtues of making the panels less efficient by tilting them away from the sun and heating them up. Batteries also cannot (safely) charge when over or under a limit temperature which varies with their chemistry. If you've heard a parked EV gently humming in the cold or heat, it's running its heat or AC to keep the battery at a safe temperature. This uses energy. So no, you may not even have more range at the end of a day of sitting in the sun - because energy is being used to keep the battery in its safe temperature range.

4) Many current consumer-affordable EVs can regain >100 miles of charge in less than 20 min on a fast charger and even >50 in 5 minutes.

5) If you're regularly cutting it that close on charging, you're really hurting your battery. You should not be doing that. Batteries degrade much faster when discharged to 0% than they do when discharged down to 20%. This has to do with the chemistry of the batteries and I can't go into huge detail here, but it's a similar phenomenon as why draining your regular car battery beyond its min state can destroy it permanently. Your battery will last far longer if you charge and discharge it small amounts more frequently than if you take it down to 0 and back to 100%. This is also true for e.g. laptop and phone batteries.

6) you CAN get electricity and bring it back. it's called a portable battery. some roadside service providers carry them. you can buy one. if your roadside service provider doesn't offer this, they can tow you home, which is far less expensive than a whole solar roof and far faster than waiting for two days for your car to charge.

even though people regularly have to get gas cars jumpstarted because they left the headlights on and the starting battery died - or because it got cold - and even though gas cars get hot in the sun, we do not cover gas cars in solar panels. because it's far more expensive and technically troublesome than it's worth.

Okay also I’ve been driving electric cars long enough now to be really emphatic that the fact that they’re not all automatically built with solar panels in the roofs is a scandal.

And somehow almost every time I tell anyone this they roll their eyes and attempt to explain to me that this would not create a perpetual motion machine because of the limitations of the area relative to the power draw of the motor, which is incredibly annoying because that’s not the point.

Yes it’s possible that driving in the sunshine with a solar collector dripping into the battery would net you a little more mileage on that trip before needing recharge, but the usefulness of a solar-topped electric car is that if you drive it someplace–say, to work–and leave it outside in the sun all day, you’ll definitely have more range available by the time you’re ready to head home.

Also if you fuck up your calculations because of the inefficiency induced by cold weather or something and get yourself stranded without anywhere to charge, like halfway up a mountain or, more likely, six miles from home, you can call for rescue or walk away, come back later, and it’ll be able to move again.

This is important because unlike running out of gas you can’t really go get some electricity.