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Falloutober Day One:
War Never Changes
I'm a little late to the party, but here's what I've got for day number one of Falloutober! The main fic for these two is Danse-centric, so I thought it'd be a fun challenge to rewrite the opening scene from Frankie's perspective this time. Enjoy~
Word count: 1.3k
Warnings: mild sexual language, canon typical violence
Ship: Paldadin Danse x male Sole Survivor
"What's the plan here?"
Frankie rolled his eyes behind his gas mask, barely suppressing a groan. His newly acquired commanding officer had been, up until that very moment, the one calling the shots.
Why would Danse, an otherwise by-the-book kind of man, hand him the reins without warning? The question served as an obvious test; it wasn't as if this so-called 'Paladin' had been anything but wary of him thus far.
Now, facing down an unknown number of super mutants, he was suddenly leaving Frankie to figure out the best course of action.
He wouldn't know subtlety if it smacked him clean across his stupid, perfect face.
Frankie peered above the bushes they were squatting behind to get a better look at the camp. He did a quick visual scan of the place before pulling his head back down behind cover.
"I see three, but there's definitely more."
He tried to explain that his preferred method of sneak-attack wouldn't be as effective with super mutants as it would with human enemies, but the Paladin cut him off.
Typical.
Frankie tapped his fingers against his thigh impatiently as he was, once again, chastised for his manner of dress.
"You'd see better if you weren't wearing that ridiculous thing."
That tone of his was enough to make Frankie grimace. Despite his disarming good looks, Danse was proving no different than the military officials he served before the whole world went to shit. Society was functionally nonexistent and all Danse could seem to think about was arbitrary uniform codes.
Maybe you should just, I dunno, show him your ugly fuckin' mug? Then he'd get it.
He knew that was never truly an option, but it was nonetheless entertaining to imagine Danse's reaction to the grand reveal that he'd been on the receiving end of an unsightly facial disfigurement.
Deathclaws and power armor... Bad combo. Should probably warn him about that...
Frankie opted to ignore him, a momentous exercise of restraint on his behalf, the likes of which the Paladin would probably never be able to appreciate.
"It's not my favorite idea, but how's about you provide covering fire and I'll go in guns blazing?" he said confidently.
"I suppose it's not the worst plan in the world," Danse replied, shrugging his hulking, metal-clad shoulders, drawing an unseen smirk from Frankie at the sight of it. "You point, I shoot."
It was all too obvious that Danse didn't think he'd succeed. Frankie wasn't one to take such a challenge lightly. Hell, if a deathclaw and the literal end of the world couldn't take him down, he was practically invincible, right?
Frankie gave a smug smile behind his mask, clapping Danse on the shoulder.
"Good man. I'll see you on the other side."
He gave a quick two-finger salute, knowing damn well it was sure to piss Danse off to no end since it wasn't the classic Brotherhood salute he'd been taught. Just before he slid down the side of the hill, he caught a glimpse of Danse's face as expression changed to that of a man questioning his life choices.
He sure is somethin'... Guess this shit ain't so different from how it used to be, though. Murderin' everythin' in sight, dealing with annoying military bullshit… Annoying commanding officers with big ole cow eyes. Tryin' not to think about how good said commanding officer would look on his knees…
Frankie shook his head, trying to reel himself back in. He could dwell on his perversions later. Right now, he had to prove he was all he claimed and then some.
God, if you can hear me, just know that I think you're a real sick sonuvabitch.
"Two-hundred years on ice and a fella still can't catch a fuckin' break," he mumbled to himself.
He loaded his shotgun as he approached the first mutie he saw guarding the entrance to the camp. He noticed Frankie far too late.
Before the lumbering abomination could open his mouth to alert the others in his company, a laser fired from the hillside hit him square in the chest. He stumbled a little and Frankie finished him off with two shots to the head, whistling low.
He's a phenomenal shot, I'll give him that. Good timing, too.
Frankie took great delight in the easy flow of the battle. The mutants were slow to react, giving him ample time to sort out his strategy as he went. He made his way through the camp, drawing out his enemies toward the chaos and systematically taking them down, ducking behind cover to reload as Danse provided covering fire from above.
When things finally settled and the last of the super mutants fell, he allowed himself a moment to relish in the silence that rang in his ears. Frankie pulled up his mask just enough to spit on the ground, wiping his mouth with the back of his hand.
The mask fell back into place as he reached the entrance of the camp, giving a thumbs up in Danse's general direction. The Paladin was down the hill and standing before him within seconds.
"Great work up there," Frankie commended. He understood better than most the value in having a trained set of eyes looking out. "Good to know you've got my back."
Danse began removing the helmet of his power armor. Frankie felt a tug in his gut, firmly aware of the way his jaw hung open like an idiot upon watching him run a hand through that thick, dark hair of his. His mind began to wander as Danse's mouth moved, Frankie only barely hearing the words he spoke.
"Same to you, soldier. It's been a while since I've seen potential like that."
Danse sounded genuine about it, too. For half a second, Frankie found himself delusional enough to believe that perhaps he was flirting. With a subordinate, no less.
Just keep it casual, for once in your goddamn life. No sudden advances.
"I told you I had military experience," Frankie replied jokingly, testing the waters. "Did you think I was lyin'?" he asked, leaning himself against one of the rotting wooden fences, paying no mind to the super mutant blood that now called it home.
"No. However, your secrecy leaves you with a lot to prove."
There it is. Damn… Audacious prick.
"Is that so?" Frankie drawled, huffing a little through his nose. "Remind me to tell Elder Maxson that he should give you a promotion."
Danse raised an eyebrow. Of course it was the one with the scar through it. Frankie felt heat traveling up his neck, choking him.
He wanted nothing more than to grab him by those stupid handles of his power armor, pull him down to his level, and-
"Why is that?" Danse asked curiously, cocking his head.
"Because I'll be the best damn thing that's happened to the Brotherhood yet," Frankie answered without missing a beat.
"That's a bold claim. I admire your ambition."
Danse sounded amused, much to Frankie's dismay.
He kept bringing the conversation to the brink of what could constitute flirting. It was maddening, especially as Frankie's body continued to relax, muscles melting under his skin as the adrenaline faded away.
"Bold? I've earned my ego, pal."
Frankie pushed off the fence and had to look away from Danse, growing increasingly concerned that his impulses might cause him to do something idiotic. Like give him a right hook. Or kiss him. Maybe both.
"Maybe one day you'll get it through that thick skull of yours..." Frankie continued bitterly, "I'm not your average wastelander."
He turned on his heel and stalked away into the camp to loot it for all it was worth. A good enough distraction as any, he figured.
The backhanded compliments, the unsolicited commentary on his attire, and the fact that Danse was the most delicious thing he'd laid his eyes on… Frankie knew he was in for a hell of a time working with the Brotherhood of Steel.
Despite all his tense irritation, there was the undeniable feeling of 'home' that came with working with Danse.
It was all so familiar, comforting in a sentimental way. And Frankie was a sentimental bastard, if there ever was one.
Yeah, nothin's changed a lick.
#this was so much fun to write omg#i have this tendency to center all my fics around the perspective of the companions#no clue why that is but letting frankie run wild for a minute was super fun#he's my favorite best boy and i might end up making the rest of my falloutober stuff centered around him#his perspective is just so fun and in case it wasn't obvious he has a thing for danse from the get go#it's mostly physical but then he finds himself endeared to danse in ways he couldn't have fathomed when they met#at this point though it's so early on & he exclusively wants to tap that lmao#anyway yeah i LOVE writing frankie the end#regg writes#oc: frankie#danse x frankie#danse x male sole survivor#danse x male sosu#ficlet time
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My Case for Why Only Romantic Payneland Would Feel Truly Satisfying
Last night, I made a poll about whether people would be satisfied with QPR Payneland. I was curious where we stood on this as a fandom, and it's cool that it's about 50/50 between "either would be okay" and "I want them romantic."
Preface: I'm a monogamous biromantic asexual. If you were wondering. I have been in both a queerplatonic relationship (where I had a one-sided romantic crush on my QPP) and a few romantic relationships with both men and women.
Preface II: This post is not at all intended to be judgmental of any type of relationship. Poly people are awesome; aro/ace people in QPRs rock. This is specifically examining what is right for Charles and Edwin.
Preface III: I think that Edwin and Charles have definitely been in an unlabeled QPR since the beginning. They don't have the word for it, but it definitely is a QPR. They aren't romantically involved, but they make major decisions surrounding the other one and feel like they would wither up and die if they had to live in separate places.
This was great up until now, I think. A QPR is very valuable, very special, and very beautiful. It's meaningful and has served them wonderfully up until this point.
But it isn't sustainable for these specific characters.
The Need for Exclusivity in Both a QPR and a Romantic Relationship
I think that with no other external factors impacting my media needs, I would be okay with an exclusive QPR Payneland.
@tumblerislovetumblerislife astutely said:
I do not think that there is any world where they're suited for polyamory - this is honestly my biggest nope-out of fics and I deeply, deeply hate it for them.
This is because:
They already feel like a Pair Set to me that cannot be separated or infringed on by anyone else, and
In the end, it would never be fair to a romantic (or other platonic) partner because they would unplug anyone else's life support to charge the other's phone. No one else would ever be the priority over the other, and if they did, that would be OOC.
Even if they decided to date someone else now in the short-term, like Crystal or the Cat King, it's necessarily temporary. It's to Figure Things Out. There is an expiration date. And whether that's due to a romantic or a platonic bond between Edwin and Charles, their bond being stronger than any other is the reason for that expiration date.
So polyamory feels extremely disingenuous to their characters to me and is imo extremely OOC.
Authenticity to the Story
Edwin is currently, in the explicit canon, essentially Charles's QPP who has a one-sided crush on him. That is the explicit canon. It's not a fun place to be, no matter how much your QPP loves you - I have Been There.
Edwin is not unhappy or dissatisfied with the current situation, and he knows Charles loves him. But it still is kind of a sucky place to sit.
Luckily, the love does not actually feel one-sided! Charles reads as a character that has always been romantically in love with Edwin, probably long before Edwin fell romantically in love with Charles, but he neither has the self-awareness nor the words to describe it.
Charles touching his heart at the end of episode 8 makes it clear that he is beginning to have his Big Epiphany. I wish the show wasn't canceled because, uh, I want it.
This obvious two-sided romantic love makes a future QPR feel inauthentic to me. I think both characters would feel like it was the wrong shape for the relationship after they both had their epiphanies.
Other Media Considerations
I understand that a lot of people, it's important to have an explicitly-labeled QPR in a show. I do not disagree with this! I think we need WAY more QPRs in media that are explicitly labeled as such and treated as valid. I just don't think that it's right for Charles and Edwin.
I've explained why this is true from a character perspective; but let me also talk about how relationships like theirs are treated.
I'm personally sick of the "bond-beyond-bonds relationship that remains purely platonic." We saw it with Destiel onscreen because of the rancid queerbaiting in Supernatural; we saw it in Johnlock as a direct result of similar, albeit less magnified, queerbaiting.
This is, to me, the exact type of relationship that a QPR between Edwin and Charles would be.
It would be different. I know this. There is no world where DBDA is queerbaiting us; we have a gay MC and tons of queer side characters.
But to me, platonic Payneland being endgame would still feel like a betrayal because that endgame would feel like something adjacent to the endings of other shows that have queerbaited in the past. I feel like a huge appeal of DBDA is that it's beginning to right those wrongs and heal those wounds, and I firmly believe that's one intention of the show. It would feel unkind to the bulk of viewers for them not to end up together.
I think that the show ultimately was going to make them romantic endgame. It just didn't have the time to before getting the axe, which SUCKS.
So yeah. These are my personal thoughts. I hope I've articulated some of the things that a lot of you think.
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One underdiscussed aspect of the bone-deep lack of mutual understanding during the nieyao stairs scene is that Nie Mingjue doesn't know - and can't know - what he's actually asking of Jin Guangyao. Not because he doesn't understand how his father treats him, or how tenuous his position is. But because he has no clue Xue Yang is a demonic cultivator.
Remember: Nie Mingjue is still alive, which means the position of chief cultivator doesn't exist yet and Jin Guangshan is facing heavy pushback for suggesting it. Most of that is coming from a fear that the Jin will try to become the next Wen. So having an outer disciple murder an entire clan and then not even punish him properly? This is a collosally bad move politically! You might as well be waving a red flag around yelling "I want to kill other sects with impunity!" There's a reason that years in the future, the moment Jin Guangyao becomes acting sect leader, he will immediately order Xue Yang's death (He doesn't actually die, either by accident or on purpose on jgy's part. But the point is that as far as the public is concerned he had Xue Yang executed.)
From Nie Mingjue's perspective, Jin Guangshan just shot himself in the foot politically for some random outer disciple. It's morally wrong, but it's also incredibly fucking stupid. In his eyes, he is asking Jin Guangyao to do the glaringly obvious right thing, even when exclusively looking at the Jins' self-interest. The thing that surely everyone else in the Jin also wants Jin Guangshan to do! Jin Guangyao can say that he has no influence on his father all he wants, but it is obvious how much work he does and so, as much as his father may not respect him, he clearly at least trusts Jin Guangyao's competence. Nie Mingjue has already tried shouting directly at Jin Guangshan during the trial and it seemed to work, but then Jin Guangshan went back on his decision like a complete idiot. So now Nie Mingjue is asking the guy who is famous for being good at rhetoric and convincing people to convince his donkey of a father to do the obviously correct thing with minimal downsides because again, to Nie Mingjue, this is all about some random outer disciple. It makes sense to ask this! It's a pretty reasonable request! Jin Guangshan can't possibly care that much.
Except of course he does. Because Xue Yang isn't some random outer disciple. He's the only good shot Jin Guangshan has at recreating the yin tiger tally. And Jin Guangshan reaaaaaally wants the yin tiger tally. So bad that he is fully willing to tank an ungodly amount of political goodwill to get it. Jin Guangyao is fully aware that not only will Jin Guangshan never kill Xue Yang, he isn't planning on keeping him locked up either. In fact, after Nie Mingjue is dead, he'll free Xue Yang and strongarm Chang Ping into denying the guilt of his family's murderer. Jin Guangshan cares a lot about keeping Xue Yang in his employ.
And Jin Guangyao knows this. But he can't tell Nie Mingjue that! Because then he'd have to admit they've been doing demonic cultivation. That the fucking ghost geneal is in their basement. That, oopsie, they actually also killed a whole other entire clan just a while ago after framing their sect leader for an assasination attempt and then used their bodies as fodder to make more fierce corpses. You know, in case one mass murder wasn't enough!
So obviously he's not gonna say that. Which means Nie Mingjue has no idea what he's demanding from Jin Guangyao, and therefore no idea why he absolutely can't fullfill that request.
I get why it's not mentioned very often because there are a lot of other problems which are both more obvious and more fun to talk about. (Who doesn't love a little overcomplicated trolley problem?) But I think it adds just another layer to the chasm between them in this scene. They're not just disagreeing, they're having completely different conversations.
#mdzs#mdzs meta#obviously there are like 50 other issues plus saber disease packed on top of this#which is what makes it go so catastrophically wrong#but this is one aspect of that i don't see mentioned very often#nie mingjue#jin guangyao#meng yao#i call nmj calling for xy's head 'reasonable' here. obviously it only is if you believe in the death penalty which i don't#but everyone in mdzs does so... yeah if xue yang really was just a random disciple this'd be a petty reasonable thing to ask#but he isn't except jgy can't EXPLAIN that so they're stuck
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HI! HI! I'M THE GUY FROM AO3 IF IT WASN'T OBVIOUS FROM MY CRUSH 40 THEMED BLOG!!
(note . i might be reaching with A LOT of this stuff but this is MY special interest and hyperfixation and i get to say what i want. also i think you'd understand what i mean when i say things)
so, let's get one thing out of the way. on it's own, i am all of me is both a v1 song and a gabriel song on their own in my head
^ this, to me, is v1. the "black writing" in my head is directed towards the writings found on the murals of gabriel in 4-3. "unleashed a million faces / and one by one they fall" all the husks and demons in hell being there for who knows how long, before the machines (or in this case, just v1) come around and start killing them all off. in the grand scheme, v1 is the villain in this story (killing the denizens of hell without mercy, even with a reason thats still a villain), the "black hearted evil", but at the end of the day is still the protagonist, the "brave hearted hero"
^ and this is gabriel. it REALLY reminds me of his monologues to v1, but the beginning is what really sells it. those first two lines really encapsulate who he is as a character, or at least who he was before v1 came around- a weapon for the council (who, if you REALLY wanted to reach for it can also be seen as the evil in this case, and these two lines can be seen as him killing the council). "i laugh and watch you fall" can be seen as the fight in 6-2, going from a accusatory anger to manic laughter. and again, story-wise, gabriel is the antagonist, the main person against the protagonist, v1 (and also was the villain of the past lore, killing off minos & sisyphus most notably when they tried to make hell better). but he's the "hero" of this story (if you think more towards just the current part of ultrakill and not the past lore that takes place beforehand), trying to stop the villain, v1.
now, how does this all tie into gabv1el? simple. two different things. one, i like thinking about how those two verses mentioned above would play out if they said these things to one another, especially with gabriel's end. the manic laughter he has in 6-2 is probably one of the strongest forces the gabv1 fanbase has to show the canonicity of the ship, and "i laugh and watch you fall" really reflects there to me
but also the chorus of the song is? very gabv1 in my head?
like this really reminds me of the almost. i don't want to say OBSESSIVE nature of gabv1el since i know they can be a lot more than that but that's definitely slightly part of it. their obsession with each other that drives them closer (pun only slightly intended) to one another. "capture you or set you free" too. it can be seen from either perspective of the two. for v1, kill gabriel like its programming wants it to or let him live. for gabriel it's the same- kill v1 like how he was supposed to although, now he really has no reason to do so), or let it live to keep observing it and watching its movements and actions (which we have slight proof of him already doing! his dialogue in 6-1). you could also see "can you see all of me? / walk into my mystery" as gabriel talking to v1. he knows about v1 but v1 doesn't know about him. as you play the game more you learn about him through terminals, so by that logic v1 ALSO learns as it progress more, or "walks" into the mystery.
this part also applies to what was said above^
anyways! all in all i think this song for SURE is v1 & gabriel respectively and if you really reach it can be gabv1el. there's definitely crush 40 songs that are more gabv1el than this one (like down & dirty or 2 nights 2 remember) but hey. it's a fun challenge to connect just about anything to crush 40 whenever possible :p
hope you enjoyed my deranged sleep-deprived late-at-night rambles LOLL this was a fun one to yap yap yap about
dude i literally need Everyone to see this analysis. it is So Epic. i get you op i rlly do [shakes your hand in being a sonic & ultrakill fan]
#+ AIRTHROW#answers#ultrakill#sonic the hedgehog#gabv1el#bro... u cooked.#like i never thought i'd see the day where my fav song [from one of my fav franchises] would get analyzed to be about one of my ships#from one of my favorite games...
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To be honest I can kinda see how having a hook instead of a hand prosthetic has its benefits
Hook is easier to mantain than a hand with lots of small moving pats, especially when you don't know shit about it. If something happens to it and it gets broken, it's much easier to replace a hook, even with all layers and poisons
And depending on when in time Crocodile lost his hand he may have just got used to it already
But also yeah, Crocodile is just the type of guy to choose a hook instead of a new hand because looks and aesthetics lol
(sorry for typos btw)
Crocodile's hook is kind of fun because it's a reflection of so many things in the story. Like there's the in-universe lore and character stuff we can look at, but also we can look at it from a meta perspective
Like we know Oda wanted to give certain important characters in the story the Iconic Pirate Traits; the peg leg for Zeff, the hook for Crocodile and an eyepatch he has seemingly been saving up all these years for a special someone (my money's on Mr Burns but that's a different subject). And so Crocodile having the iconic hook is a part of an old pirate-y "vision" Oda wanted to fulfill with One Piece, an OG "goal" from waaay back in the day
But another thing is that Crocodile is very much from The Olden Days of One Piece, more specifically, very much pre-what I'd call the sci-fi era of OP. I'd say One Piece started truly dwelling deeper into that genre and its tropes during Punk Hazard, but Oda didn't even really dip his toes into it until the CP9 Saga (with the introduction of Franky and the namedropping of Doctor Vegapunk). Sure, Oda did already hint at the existence of Vegapunk and his scientific developments back in Alabasta (when Miss Merry Christmas explained that Lassoo was a gun that had eaten a Dog Dog Fruit, this being "the Latest Science from the Grand Line"*), but One Piece was still very much in its more classical fantasy element/genre at this point in the story, so the science fiction that was to come years and decades later was not even present at this point
*(Thinking about it, honestly, how the fuck did Mr 4 get his hands on Lassoo if Lassoo was created by Vegapunk?? Was he a gift from Vegapunk/the WG to Crocodile, maybe????? That Crocodile just secretly gave away to Mr 4????)
In other words, in hindsight it might seem odd Crocodile wouldn't have taken advantage of his position as a Warlord and gotten a prosthetic arm to replace his hook. But Crocodile is a One Piece character from a different era in the story, when advanced prosthetics, cyborgs, robots, clones and so much more were nothing but a twinkle in Oda's eyes. So expecting Crocodile to have lived up to the sci-fi future One Piece wasn't originally going to even get to would be unreasonable.
But the fun thing is that we can actually look at Crocodile and his silly little hook, and spin it in a way that does actually complement his character. We can find in-universe reasons for him to have stuck to a hook over an advanced prosthetic, and they make sense. The most obvious would of course be that Crocodile does not trust anyone. It would be very much unlike him to go to Vegapunk and/or the World Government requesting to be given a prosthetic, because that would mean 1) Leaving himself vulnerable for a period of time so that Vegapunk could actually give him a prosthetic (dangerous) 2) Knowing the WG they would not just give out something like that for free, surely they'd want something from Crocodile in exchange. And, while we know what would become of Kuma eventually (a fate so cruel I'm sure even Crocodile could not have imagined) I'm sure he could have suspected the WG could want to use him for a science experiment or two, something I'm sure Crocodile would never have agreed to. Or maybe the WG/Vegapunk would've wanted Crocodile to pay them an obscene amount of money in exchange for a prosthetic, and/or have him do some other favors. Whatever the case, I'm sure none of these options would have seemed worth it in his mind.
And yeah, what you said.
Maintaining and taking care of a hook would be easier, like if Vegapunk's prosthetics ever broke or malfunctioned for any reason Crocodile would have to make a horrifically long hike all the way from Alabasta to Marijoa, cross the Red Line (to be fair his Shichibukai Status would allow him to go over which would be more convenient than passing through Fishman Island), go to Punk Hazard (or Egghead later on), and then hike aaall the way back to Alabasta again. And Vegapunk's inventions didn't always work as intended, the man had to refine and develop his creations to get them to work the way he wanted them to.
So if the option get a prosthetic was ever brought up to Crocodile by the WG like 10+ years ago, he might've been far more cynical about Vegapunk's ability to actually create a decent prosthetic that worked and wouldn't malfunction/have issues etc. And as you suggested, by that time he probably would have become used to his hook, to the point that he didn't mind keeping it.
And yeah, it would be just a big ol' Luffyism if he preferred the giant, golden, gaudy-ass hook
#Moon posting#Asks#OP Meta#Sir Crocodile#To be fair as a sharp pointy thing the hook IS good for intimidating people.#Like the size of it is pretty inconsistent as is the height of Crocodile in the actual art but in theory#Like. The size of just the base of that hook is fucking massive (and indeed the base is great for pludgeoning people too)#It just. Like the hook just works for Crocodile (because it's Crocodile) and I love that. Like the writing is so good there
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is there any reason why Dan specifically? a lot of the foxes have dad issues, but Dan doesn't show any signs of trying to seek out anything romantic from older men becuz of that. if it were any fox, i feel like it'd be more likely to be Andrew? idk how old Roland is but we know he was older than Andrew, and he's a position of authority just like Wymack. I don't WANT it to be Andrew. I just feel like if it had to be someone, its him, yknow?
hmm not sure how to answer this.
i just transposed my experience onto her, as a hc, for shits & giggles. i never said i based myself on canon? was just vibing.
if i did have to justify it, i’d say the EC kind of could point that way, if you really wanted it to be as close to canon as possible? but i’d don’t! cause it’s just for fun! and not that serious!
as for the Andrew thing, um, i feel like i gotta say something. just as nothing in canon points to Danielle having lingering daddy issues / seeking much older male validation because of her past, neither does Andrew. Roland is what? a few years older, max? legally an adult (which is still BAD, in case i wasn't clear......), but not the way Wymack is, a fully grown man in his forties/fifties. he’s not a dad’s age. no dad potential whatsoever. Roland & Andrew is different than the possibility of Andrew seeking out Wymack. you have to know that. it's not the same at all.
the reason Andrew sought out Roland was not specifically bc of his age, but bc Andrew could be in control and Roland would follow his rules, for the most part. when he would not, Andrew could tie him up, and Roland would let him. if there was an age-related reason, it’d be that Roland is a mature, consenting adult in full possession of his independence. Andrew would be inclined to see that as good (for Roland). Andrew would not consider this as also bad (for himself). Roland has no authority at all over Andrew, though. not according to canon Andrew. he may have been his boss at one point, but Andrew is holding the reins of the situationship. Andrew is the one in control.
so to say that Andrew, specifically, would be the one most likely to seek out much older males is… icky. iffy. yucky. you “don’t want it to be Andrew” and why is that? bc of his past abuse, right? and you know that. you know why. i know i’m probably more on the defensive than i ought to be, but there are already harmful stereotypes in aftg when it comes to queer representations and identities. we don’t need more in fanon. i don’t need more in fanon.
Andrew grew up in foster care without a mom or a dad. if he had daddy issues, he’d most likely have mommy issues too, no? but what did he do to his mommy? killed her. for laying a finger on Aaron. that’s a mommy issue alright, but not a mainstream, freudian one. not the kind we’re talking about here. so why would he develop those with older men in parallel? he actively avoids these types of men because of the abuse he endured at their hands. not just Drake's.
it’s just. awfully close to right down saying Andrew is gay bc he was abused by men as a child. that’s a dangerous, slippery slope.
again! in case it wasn't blindingly clear and glaringly obvious! the Danielle post was about Danielle herself. David Wymack would not and never was involved. David Wymack never even knew Dan harbored these misplaced (misplaced!) feelings. she is taking this one to the grave.
if you come from the perspective of personal experience and you’re projecting too, sorry. i don’t mean to invalidate your feelings or your experience.
i think i’m done now.
tl:dr it wasn’t that serious + it doesn’t need to be made serious. just me and my dad-baggage against the world.
#tl:dr it wasn’t that serious + it doesn’t need to be made serious. just me and my dad-baggage against the world.#this is an open invitation to *block me*#aftg ask#aftg#all for the game#the foxhole court#andrew minyard#danielle wilds#dan wilds#david wymack
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AFTG Headcanon Series [3] Aaron
part 1, part 2 part 3, part 4
Biromantic asexual but just isn't very open about it, the rumours of him being homophobic make him laugh because he's liked boys since middle school
Favourite colour is all variations of green and purple
Katelyn was his first proper girlfriend
Probably did a lot of bad things for bad people in order to get drugs when he was younger, he tries not to think about it
Got close with Matt after moving dorms
Was also very very sad when he had to leave because Neil moved in with Andrew but he got over it
THE OLDER TWIN i just please please "it's so obvious andrew is older because he" BUT WHAT IF HE WASN'T THEN WHAT I SAY
When he finds out he's the older twin he feels even worse for not knowing Andrew for so long, for not being able to protect him more
Because even if it was only by a few minutes, he wished he could have looked after his baby brother
Definitely loves all colours on the spectrum of blue and/or purple he just finds them so calming to look at (Katelyn paints his nails for sure istg)
Is the type of guy to say he'll be productive and get all his school work done before the holidays begin and ends up cramming it all in the night before the semester starts again
Turned away from religion after Nicky told him how badly he was hurt by it. He doesn't view religion as a bad thing, he just can't be a part of a group that he knows hurt Nicky so badly, also my man has seen a lot in his time
Gets along surprisingly well with Dan due to his friendship with Matt and because she often hangs out with Katelyn
Starts to understand Andrew and his perspective a lot more the more they go to therapy together, deep down he knows that all Andrew did was protect him (just like Aaron himself did)
Claims he doesn't believe in conspiracy theories and then spends hours at night researching them with Kevin
Probably had a boyfriend or two when he was younger but never mentions it to anyone because he knows they'll either a) not take him seriously or b) in Nicky's case, make a huge deal out of it
A very private person
Not in the sense that he is unknownable he just usually likes to keep everything personal to himself, nobody really knows what he's doing unless you're with him at the time
A lover of quiet. Definitely glares at people on the train/bus when they're talking really loudly and always wears headphones
Eventually sees Bee for his own sessions to help him communicate with people better, bro has zero social skills
Overall, I think Aaron is a very misunderstood character
He had a really rough childhood with no one table enough to raise him apart from his cousin he barely saw and was only a few years older then he was (and equally as traumatized)
I think that had a large impact on who he became, however you do have to consider how much he did to prove how he cares for others (e.g, dating Katelyn despite it angering Andrew, killing Dr*ke for Andrew etc)
He has so much potential
I love him so much
Definitely had twin girls with Katelyn when they grow up, a very popular hc but ugh girl dad Aaron and Andrew is the fun gay uncle
RAHHH I love this boy so much
#all for the game#aftg#andrew minyard#psu foxes#andreil#palmetto state university#neil josten#the foxhole court#aaron minyard#kevin day
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Any thoughts on nick land / mark fisher?
I've encountered both of them essentially as bloggers—I don't think I've ever read a word of either on paper—so I can't say I've studied them formally or mastered their thinking.
Land's concept of capital as autonomous alien intelligence assembling itself through retroaction on human agents—do I have this right?—is fun science fiction. I accept that as a theory of cultural temporality in general but not necessarily as a theory of technology or capitalism in particular. As for his more (shall we say) "ethnic" idea about "exit" and the Anglo character—maybe there's something to that. Modern history as the struggle between decentralized commercial sea empires (UK, US) and despotic communist land empires (Germany, Russia, China). And his new thing about Anglo-Zionism—I believe he's read Milton deeply—is right on time. All his Compact pieces on the English canon are paywalled, so I haven't read them, but it seems like he's approaching the idea that the God of the Bible is the force he previously identified as capital. (I think this is similar to what Mitchell Heisman outlined in his Suicide Note, but I only read some of that, and only once, on one sleepless night over 10 years ago, and doubt I'll revisit it. Does Heisman cite Land? I don't recall.) Hyperstition is real, as any manifestation girl on here or on TikTok or on YouTube will tell you.
Now Fisher was a sad case. I think all that anti-humanist theory did him no favors, personally. I'm not sure he could stand in that desolate place, the way Land could. I don't believe I ever directly interacted with him online when we both were bloggers in the same milieu circa 2005 or so. Maybe once or twice. He had a positive Marxist take on Batman Begins, and I had a negative one, and I think somebody sent him mine when he had comments open. (He had a whole thing, which anticipated the "vampire's castle" image, about "gray vampires" who stalk the comments section and suck the life out of your imaginative assertions with their point-missing nitpickery. He wasn't wrong!) I'm sure he thought I was hideously naive if he ever thought about me at all, and I was naive, I was essentially a Stalinist, an obvious example of humanist theory gone wrong, but there are limits, too, to that gothic style he picked up from Land and the CCRU.
I think he said Kafka was his first major author. There's a case to be made that you should read Kafka only after Dickens. (I don't mean literally but metonymically. Nor do I mean the 19th century vs. the 20th or even realism vs. modernism. Replace Kafka with Baudelaire and Dickens with Joyce and it'll mean the same.) And I'm not talking about politics here or even ethics. No panacea for politics and ethics can be found in books. Kafka, for that matter, was probably a nicer guy qua guy than Dickens was. But, just as someone who has to live in the world in your skin, it can't hurt to read a non-anti-humanist book from time to time if you're a bookish person. To not always try to conceptually outflank as a ruse of power every obvious humane sentiment. And to try not to need your humane sentiments to be conveyed only by the most alienating stimulus, to need them to come in the form of their opposite. I never got over his review of The Passion of the Christ:
What, from one perspective, is the utter humiliation and degradation of Jesus's body is on the other a coldly ruthless vision of the body liberated from the 'wisdom and limits of the organism'.
Masochristianity.
Christ's Example is simply this: it is better to die than to pass on abuse virus or to in any way vindicate the idiot vacuity and stupidity of the World of authority.
Power depends upon the weakness of the organism. When authority is seriously challenged, when its tolerance is tested to the limit, it has the ultimate recourse of torture. The slow, graphic scenes of mindless physical degradation in The Passion of the Christ are necessary for revealing the horrors to which Jesus' organism was subject. It is made clear that he could have escaped the excruciating agony simply by renouncing his Truth and by assenting to the Authority of the World. Christ's Example insists: better to let the organism be tortured to death ('If thine own eye offend thee, pluck it out') than to bow, bent-headed, to Authority.
This is what is perhaps most astonishing about Gibson's film. Far from being a statement of Catholic bigotry, it can only be read as an anti-authoritarian AND THEREFORE anti-Catholic film. For the Pharisees of two millennia ago, puffed up in their absurd finery, substitute the child-abuser apologists of today's gilt-laden, guilt-ridden Vatican. Against all the odds, against two thousand years of cover-ups and dissimulation, The Passion of the Christ recovers the original Christ, the anti-Wordly but not otherwordly Christ of Liberation Theology: the Gnostic herald of Apocalypse Now.
This is why I found him frustrating when I read him as a daily blogger almost 20 years ago. Plus the over-solemnity about pop-culture ephemera. I found him a bit naive, too, in the end, though he was almost 15 years my senior. I also sometimes just didn't and don't know what he was talking about, because I sort of hated and hate theory.
In his purely political commentary, he was right, however, to focus on bureaucratization as an effect of neoliberalism—the way capitalism and communism converge in the present for the worst of both worlds, everything is at once a competition and frozen in a statist hierarchy. I'm not sure I'm persuaded by the "hauntology" thesis. I've thought through that issue in a different way and am not convinced the end of the myth of the revolution or the myth of the avant-garde has to mean that we have no future. In fact it might mean the opposite. But good for him for putting into public consciousness an interesting and melancholically beautiful idea that would otherwise have remained confined to smug Derrida-readers.
He is fun to read. That's the highest compliment I can pay. I'm sure the big K-Punk book is a wonderful thing to own and to browse through: to watch a movie or read a book or listen to an album and then see what he had to say about it. He was one model of the blogger as true essayist.
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【KagePro】 KuroEne AU: Kuroha/Saeru's "Love" 🖤💙
Intro
(CW: Suggestive mentions, mentions of intimacy)
Discussion with Feila about my KuroEne AU dialogue scripts.
Context:
KuroEne AU Route: Mary and Ene team up against Kuroha and sneak into his lab, and Ene confronts Kuroha on everything she wants to know.
Kuroha/Saeru points out how he gave her everything she ever wanted and made all her wishes come true... Ene tells him that even if that is the case, she cannot accept his answer.
A couple snippets (WIPs) that I wrote (under the cut)
Ene: Isn’t your way of “loving,” just smothering people with passions?
Kuroha: Love… Obsession… You may call it whatever you like, but the name doesn’t really matter, does it?
KuroEne AU: Dialogue Scripts (WIPs)
Ene: Isn’t your way of “loving,” just smothering people with passions?
Kuroha: Love… Obsession… You may call it whatever you like, but the name doesn’t really matter, does it?
F: I love this part 😭
Me: YEAH I love this line too
Because I think it goes hand in hand with the way he shows his twisted love (obsession)
Also the word "smothering" has a certain nuance, and in this case it plays up to his whole "overwhelming someone with love/passions" thing
F: It shows his fucked up perspective of love indeed
Love that for his character tho. Because of that, it'd be fun to imagine him in relationships www
Me: To define his feelings as "obsession" feels fitting. Cuz I imagine he originally started this to come up with new ways to entertain himself and prove his theory that humans will do anything for love.
Again, their relationship is infused with love, obsession, attachment, desire, yearning, passion for the both of them. Ene feels a mix of love and hatred and conflicting emotions.
Me: The way that I see it is that from the very start, he doesn't know love because he lacks humanity. So the only thing that's left is devotion.
Saeru's "attachment" isn't really like Douman's attachment. It's like a committance to keep the game going as long as all those strong emotions are being directed towards him.
Me: It's cuz strong emotions like love and hatred and greed, etc., all feed his ego
F: Allat just because Azami's wishes changed 😭
If he mistook love as lust then... what counts as love and not love to him?
Tbf, I feel like he cares more about putting up a fake act to get more of what he wants rather than making a chart about it, but I'm curious. Does he see commitment as love? Perhaps gifts? Bonding?
Me:
The other thing is that KuroEne would have a convo like this once Saeru’s identity and true intentions are revealed:
Ene: Since when did you start pretending to be human?
Kuroha: There's no “Since when” about it. I've been here from the very start.
Which is true. He's existed since before the start of civilization.
F: Tbh, at first we wasn't pretending, he's really obvious with his homicidal plans 🧍 (Idk if him possessing Kenjirou counts?)
It's only until whatever loop the KuroEne AU takes place where he considers playing pretend
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Context:
This post is connected with this previous post if you want the full context, but it can be read stand alone too
KuroEne AU: Initial Talks
When I first cycled back into KagePro in April 2024 and reignited my love for Saeru, Ene, and KuroEne, I completely revamped my KuroEne AU ideas.
It does have a bit of basis in the ideas I wrote when I was a kid (which was also based on Saeru getting intimate with Ene), but I completely revamped the AU's concept and wrote completely new dialogue scripts for it.
Cuz obviously, my old scripts didn't live up to my standards. My ideas now are much better than the ones I wrote as a kid LOL.
When I first came up with the concept of my KuroEne AU, I was inspired by MMBN/EXE's concept with the CopyBots, android bodies that digital AIs could transfer into.
Then I searched up scientists' recent advancements in robotics, and found out that robots with artificial human skin existed (in early and experimental stages), so I incorporated that into my AU and made Ene's body have human flesh for the sake of their intimacy.
I didn't initially get reminded of the whole "Kama wanting to tempt Ritsuka (FGO MC) and trying to make them Lapse into depravity"
I was mainly just thinking of Kuroha/Saeru entertaining the possibilities that come from exploring human desires (sensual pleasures), and using his knowledge as an advantage for him (in a different way than just orchestrating their deaths)
Basically, I imagine the first KuroEne AU Route starts because Kuroha/Saeru was getting bored of JUST killing everyone and wanted to come up with new ways to entertain himself.
He comes up with the idea of playing the "Game" with Ene to feed his desires and ego and satisfy his cravings.
Essentially "luring his partner into a trap" (enticing them with sweet temptations), while satisfying his partner's desires.
The setup required for the first Route (all the preparation he'd need to do to create her body) would be enormous the first time around, but would have an incredibly rewarding outcome for him. He gets to sate his curiosity by playing around with human tech.
And in the context of this ship AU, Ene's body would be his greatest creation (cuz he far surpasses human scientists' capabilities) due to his knowledge
A few ~ couple months later, I incorporated the thematic inspirations from FGO, into my KuroEne AU later on. I think the inspirations are clear, but more subtle in the way it plays out in my AU, if you know what I mean...
FGO: Ooku Event
Me: Just gonna bring this up cuz I feel like the above screenshots are relevant to the convo
Ok I enjoyed the Ooku event and it was good for the most part, including Kasuga as an NPC, but I'm not a way of the fan of the ending and how they dealt with Kama at the end…
At the end they criticize Kama and their form of giving love and defeat them (without even trying to understand them), which I'm not happy with.
I really disliked Parvati's self-righteousness and way she approached the situation with Kama.
At the end, Parvati just fires an arrow at them, making them go through the same pain when they (Kama) got incinerated by Shiva??? Which caused their self loathing in the first place???
That aside...
This whole speech about how “If you love something, you must be willing to let it go” is just 😭
HE (SAERU) WOULD LAUGH AT THIS
PLEASEEE like his existence was BORN from desire
He'd be like, "Cutting away from desire... all for the sake of some lofty ideals??? Self righteousness??? Humans never cease to amaze me with the extent of their foolishness."
Oh I think a big one is Kasuga’s "It makes you feel like you matter" and "It can be terribly frightening to put an end to that" cuz Saeru’s biggest vulnerability/fear was being forgotten by Azami and losing his sentience and disappearing.
Like, feeling like your existence is needed and that you still serve a purpose.
But serving someone defines his existence → He serves his own interests by doing so.
Therefore, by both furthering his goals of looping the world to stay immortal and continuing the game, he gets what he wants.
I think this also goes hand in hand for exactly why he's unwilling to give up the game. Most of all, he doesn’t want to disappear. And then, he doesn’t want to give up what he has control over. Like even in intimacy, “loss of control” happens on his own terms, right?
And he’d be open to his partner taking control from him (when he lets them), because it’s fun and interesting to him, and it ultimately doesn’t threaten him. He knows his S/O won’t be able to topple him even if they tried
F: Tbh, at first he wasn't pretending, he's really obvious with his homicidal plans 🧍 (Idk if him possessing Kenjirou counts?) It's only until whatever loop the KuroEne AU takes place where he considers playing pretend
Me: Ok coming back to this
Yeah like he wasn't pretending in the initial Routes. Like he literally tells her his true identity as the Snake of Clearing Eyes at some point (depending on when he decides to reveal himself).
In the Routes where Ene just plays the game with Kuroha and doesn’t meet the MekaDan:
Ene just doesn't know what his plans are. Because she doesn’t meet the MekaDan in this Route. She wouldn't know what that entails.
Only Kano (and Ayano who is deceased in most Routes) knows about Saeru’s existence in the present day plot.
It's only in the Routes where he decides to play pretend with the MekaDan, where he starts playing pretend.
Me: And yeah Kuroha/Saeru’s love is the embodiment of "A love that consumes you."
It's love packaged up all nicely and presented as sweet temptation. A sweet temptation of corruption.
Ooku Event (FGO)
I based that KuroEne line on this line from the Ooku event:
Parvati: That... that isn't real love!
Kama: Fine, call it depravity if you want. The name really isn't important.
FGO's whitewashing is as awful as always.
The concept of "Lapsing into depravity" and tempting someone to indulge in sensual pleasures...
Also I really like the "I just do what I want and let the chips fall where they may" line
I didn't SS it cuz of the pic limit but Kama's whole "Indulge in the pit of depravity with me, filled to the brim with my love, forever..."
Hmmm :) Doesn't it work quite well as inspirations for a certain Clearing Eyes Snake...
Even just thinking about that .dsd/V art by Sidu of him lying in a snake nest.
I think this dialogue is incredibly interesting to think about as inspirations for my AU, like corrupting someone with carnal pleasures (presented as sweet temptations) and satisfying their desires, despite the obvious differences.
Saeru resents the world/mankind for changing the nature of his Master's wish, but claims to love humans (especially their foolishness) while looking down on them.
Kama: I loathe humans more than anything, and you're all so garbage I can't help but laugh, but I'll still love you all and make sure you're all filled up (completely satisfied)
Kama wanting to give all of humanity love is a form of revenge, for them.
F: Tbf, I feel like he cares more about putting up a fake act to get more of what he wants rather than making a chart about it, but i'm curious
Me: Tbh I agree with this too. I feel like he's mainly doing it to get what he wants. And at the same time, doing observations on the side too. He’s sating his curiosity by exploring human tech, for the sake of feeding his desires.
F: If he mistook love as lust then... what counts as love and not love to him?
Me: I don’t even think of it as “being unable to distinguish the difference between them.”
But I do see him reaching a similar conclusion as Kama that sensual pleasures will tempt someone into corruption. For him it's a means to an end.
Also he must be aware that the "love" Azami experienced with her family is a form of love.
But he probably thinks more "favourably" of the forms of love that are directed towards him and benefit him.
I still think he thinks of humans (and their feelings) as both "lovely and foolish"
Since he says it himself.
And committment is basically apart of devotion, right? Cuz devotion is a form of committment through love/loyalty.
(CW: Suggestive mentions, mentions of intimacy)
Me: Oh one thing I have to say before I forget. I was thinking about it in the morning. I'd say the other thing is that for him, exploring and indulging carnal pleasures through intimacy is a way for him to explore his dark desires (the deep lust and sin), and the control he craves.
“The desire for control in the sense of intimacy.”
Cuz again, with his advantage in knowledge, along with their circumstances, he's ultimately the one in control of his dynamic with his partner.
Because he intentionally put "limiters/restrictions" on himself by deciding to play nice before the fated Death day of August 15th. He works to further his own goals (satisfying his own desires) while satisfying his partner's desires. Again, he’s “softened” his tendencies, for the remainder of the game at least… as long as the game lasts.
F: Committment is quite different from devotion, but this is Saeru we're talking about, he'd put committment in the devotion category 😭
F: Oh yeah, he plays the dom role in the r/s, right? That might explain why
Me: In terms of bedroom intimacy yes
I personally see it as, Kuroha/Saeru clearly has a desire for domination and control. But he's also interested in exploring new outcomes and possibilities so he lets Ene take control too.
He's really adjustable to his S/O's preferences and very versatile in bedroom intimacy. But considering he thrives on the power dynamic and his control...
Dominant and likes being in control, but likes switching and being vers too
And Kuroha/Saeru lets Ene take charge while knowing that he can turn the tables at any time he wants. Even when he relinquishes control, it still plays up to his ego. Because he's never actually threatened. It doesn't change their power dynamic, that he's ultimately the one in control.
Summary:
Kuroha: Likes being in control but doesn't mind relinquishing control, cuz it still plays up to his ego since he ultimately has power over the other party, and is able to turn the tables and gain back control at any moment
F: So he's only in control when it comes to intimacy? When it's outside of intimacy he's not in control anymore?
Me: Not exactly. Even in context, he’s still the cause of the Tragedy, and the time loop instigator. He’s the one that holds power in his dynamic with his S/O, and in general, over the MekaDan too.
Me: Ig what I'd also have to add to this is that he adheres to the rules that he placed on himself by agreeing to play nice with his partner and serve their desires (while mainly serving his own interests).
He sees it as a Win-Win situation cuz both he and his partner get what they want in the end, right?
In the context of a ship AU, Saeru wants to “corrupt” his S/O and taint their soul by leaving his marks on them across timelines.
Kuroha/Saeru bonds with Ene, seduces his partner with carnal pleasures, and eventually becomes intimate with her. He's tempting/seducing someone to get into their heart.
Me: I see it more like it's playing up to the desires he craves.
“Takes control to get what he wants, appeals to his partner’s whims/desires”
Me: I should say though, "Control in intimacy” is an act or power dynamic that's agreed upon and consensual. It has certain rules that must be adhered to.
F: Ene only got a short feeling of warmth and reminiscence (Idk what other word to use) after internally grieving for these 2 years so... Idk if it's a win for her 🧍
Me: I do consider it a “win” technically, but Saeru’s S/O loses everything they care about at the end. Also depends on the Route when he comes to meet her, either 1 - 2 years before the start of the present plot. So depending on that, he spends time with them for 1 - 2 years.
I'm ace af too but I just decided to study some things for my fave ships' intimacy. Half this server is aro/ace LOL. They're like case studies for me to figure out how to write certain things
Ig if I had to simplify it then it'd be "The thrill of dominating or being dominated" when you and your partner both consent, and agree to adhere to the “rules” in the game you play.
Me: Even Kuroha/Saeru acknowledges he gave her everything she wanted (except for her biggest wish... to get to move onto the future with everyone)
Though, as I said before, most ships focus on the growth of both parties. Kuroha/Saeru as a character encourages regression (in general) and in his S/O.
Cuz he encourages his partner to let go of their inhibitions when it comes to exploring their desires... Essentially encouraging them to remove limiters and go off the rails (run wild) when indulging in the "game" with him.
Like obviously their moral limiters (and sense of urgency once his true intentions are revealed), still kick in, but I mean this irt falling for the sweet temptations of their snake bf.
I'll quote the relevant parts:
Also I was just thinking what's interesting about KuroEne is that KuroEne is a ship oriented in the ever looping present.
Kuroha/Saeru as a character encourages regression (as opposed to growth) and the eternal looping of their game.
As a secondary goal to his immortality, he wants the game to continue endlessly through the eternal cycle of destruction and rebirth (revival and renewal through destruction)
In the context of a ship AU, Saeru wants to “corrupt” his S/O and taint their soul by leaving his marks on them across timelines.
Mans is literally the "I'll make you worse :)" meme.
Me: Though, I think Saeru's aware of the fact that he's the perfect counter to Ene. Unlike Konoha, he can actually manage to meet Ene's competitiveness and level of intensity. Along with him being really good at observing people and reading peoples' feelings
(To an extent. I mean, he's the embodiment of knowledge but he's clearly flawed and not infallible, nor does he know everything, he still doesn't understand Azami's love for her family.)
Someone as straightforward as Ene would be easy for him to read.
That's also what makes me prefer KuroEne over KonoEne, like I favour ships that are intense and dangerous, with compelling conflict and tension. It's just more interesting and thrilling writing-wise
And I always go for ships with my top faves and what's more interesting to me.
KonoEne, the ship that's the alternate version of HaruTaka, "fits more" irt KagePro's thematics tho
Scan: @/ayara-resara
Colour Edit: Me
F: Yeah the plot will always move back to the very beginning, even if Ene is curious and wanted to explore her desires, the only thing she'd want is to move onto the future (maybe she still has hopes to reunite with Haruka?)
But all Kuroha does is fuck, kill, repeat 😭
Me: Yeah like her biggest wish is to have a happy peaceful life with everyone (and probably to reunite with Haruka again)
F: Tbh HaruTaka is the only ship that can be developed further, KonoEne is just stuck being same thing over and over again, but still adorable
Me: I do agree that KonoEne as a ship has no place to go or properly develop because of Saeru's existence. At the end of the day, Snake of Clearing Eyes (Saeru) possesses Konoha's body and kills everyone, forcing Mary to make the timeline reset.
"Do it all over again from the very beginning," as he says.
So it's a "dead end" ship most of the time (though the same goes for KuroEne irt being a dead end, but their characters arguably work better together in some ways imo)
Like I had ideas for a KuroEne AU Final Route with Kuroha/Saeru eventually becoming a guardian figure to Mary's family, but again, it's not as interesting to me as exploring all their possibilities in their timeline loops.
I love HaruTaka sm, it's literally my 2nd fave KagePro ship, but it's also too soft as a ship for me to be fully invested in, so my choice is obvious.
Me: Pretty telling that I end up thinking more about KuroEne (main), and AyaTaka and MaryEne (secondary), just because these ships have more conflict and tension and thus are just more interesting writing wise
I also have a tendency to gravitate towards rare pairs and niche ships in general.
KonoEne is cute but I can't even think of intimacy with them cuz the ship is so unsuited for it imo cuz of how dense Konoha is
M: :((
Me: At the same time, though...
KonoEne hardly have time to interact and meet in the main plot BECAUSE we basically only see them interact on Death day!!! That's not enough time to see how their actual dynamic works with each other
Yeah Jin is definitely not immune to criticism from his writing/creative decisions. He's a brilliant composer tho.
It's true that HaruTaka works better as a ship in comparison to KonoEne because Haruka is the perfect counter to Takane, and meet her competitiveness and level of intensity. He reacts to her antics with genuine and earnest love because he's smitten by her as his classmate/friend, that's why their dynamic works better
And like the fact that Ayano and Mary are the most plot important femmes but we didn't get LNs focusing on them... It's WILD
F: For real, it's quite unfair
And in the end Saeru barely gets screentime because all he does is kill, FUCK THIS SHIT 😭😭😭
Me: And yeah. I still think that Saeru has interaction potential (Azami and Mary, and others aside from those two), so it's disappointing to only see him interact with others to kill them.
I get why, but grrr...
Like ofc Ene would prefer Konoha because he's closer to Haruka (and has a softer and gentler personality), but Kuroha/Saeru can actually read her really well and meet her needs.
Like how I said, Kuroha/Saeru actually challenges Ene as a character and can actually manage to meet her competitiveness and level of intensity (unlike Konoha)
She can no longer hide behind her false bravado and act of indifference with Saeru cuz it literally wouldn't work on him. He wouldn't be fooled and would be able to perceive her true feelings well
F: Does he see commitment as love? Perhaps gifts? Bonding?
Me: Oh I forgot to reply to this! Imo he would catch onto his S/O's love languages and fave hobbies and things, things they'd appreciate. Like he'd buy things for Ene as gifts (plushies, video games, new clothes, etc.)
Again, he is learning how to "love" his S/O better each time, so he makes note of that... Of all the human sentiments and gestures that will be useful to him.
Augh his whole deal is… “Beast that lacks humanity and doesn’t know love, only knows what twisted love (obsession) is… Because the only thing that’s left without love, is devotion…”
I LOVE YOU SAERU HEBI
Ai vs. Koi
I already talked about this a lot before, but I can ramble a bit about my inspirations
When I brought up the concept of "Ai vs. Koi" in my own KuroEne AU ship writing, this was also something inspired by Fate.
It was inspired by Kiara (FGO), who never knew or experienced the pure/genuine form of love, who grew up being put on a pedestal as a saviour/messiah figure.
Though in Kiara's case, she knew what Ai was, but didn't understand Koi. It was Ai vs. Koi in the sense of Ai (love and the general act of loving) vs. Koi (romantic love/feelings)
And the eventual realization she came to at the very end when she was told what Koi is (after her defeat).
For my KuroEne ship AU, this plays out differently.
The whole Ai/Koi thing (Selfless Love vs. Selfish Love)
If Azami is the embodiment of Ai (Selfless love) - love for someone else's sake/her family's sake
Sacrificing her own happiness for her family's sake.
Then Saeru is the embodiment of Koi (Selfish Love) - loving for his own sake
Loving someone in a twisted, selfish, self-serving way.
Even when he caters to his partner's pleasures, it still ultimately caters to his pleasures the most.
Also, I love how the final chapter title from the Tunguska event (FGO) from FGO, Koyanskaya's main story chapter focus, is, "Love is Karma, and Karma is..."
Like guhhhh it's so Saeru core
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Okay okay okay
A little while ago I saw a post saying that Max in season 15 wasn't fit enough to be with Reid for an accumulated amount of reasons. One of which was that she wasn't smart enough; like is comparison to Meave (is that how you spell it?)
But I do think people just take it all at face value and don't try and think deeper into the different characters - not only with love interests and other characters that aren't the main, but the main as well. People see Reid, Garcia or Prentiss and see: genius that deserved better, bubbly best friend everyone loves, amazing friend and now boss that everyone loves. BUT you need to look deeper into characters, they're all way more complex (even if the writing wasn't great at times) than you'd care to notice.
This same principle applies to Max. When Reid and her first met she went to protect her nephew first above all else - she's not self centred and has obvious reasons to be on guard about danger so she'll do what she can to protect the people she loves. She's beautiful, obviously, but she's also witty and has a great personality above all else. She actually seems like a person.
Even if she isn't too smart as everyone claims, she's great for Reid because it's like a breath of fresh air and a new perspective on relationships for him. Like they didn't meet through a case, a medical emergency (his headaches) or anything that put either one in immediate danger. They met how people could possibly meet in real life.
But I really want to go back to the "Max isn't smart" point I've brought up.
How on earth have people come up with that. Just because she doesn't have an IQ of 187 or works in that dangerous field she's not smart? She gave an insightful opinion about Reid's nightmare, talking about it in scientific terms with the cortisol (fight or flight response). She was put INTO that dangerous field of work to save her sister and dad and what did she do? She fucking nailed it. Easily lied and fooled Cat Adams and did everything to save her sister - bringing back that point of she'll do anything to save the people she loves. All of that shows she has high intelligence, especially the way that she was able to deduce how to take on the situation with Cat.
As someone with no prior training or had encounters with Cat before, she was able to realise what kind of person she was:
"I'm no profiler but I know queen bees. If she was willing to tell that kind of a lie, I knew who I was dealing with"
"She sees the world one way, that everyone's out to hurt you. So I just..kind of played on that"
In the immediate situation where her sister could be killed at any moment.
All of that tells me she has the brains to keep up with Reid - just not in the book smart kind of way everyone associates intelligence with. Reid does have that genius level IQ and knows lots of different things, but so does Max.
They're great together because they don't think in the same way and are able to butt heads about different debates and are able to educate one another about things they might have lacked an understanding of previously. She can help Reid with the awful things he has to go through by just being there and being able to be a distraction for a little bit.
I think all of that matters more than her intelligence to me.
And she's not boring either, I remember seeing that. Just because she's normal and doesn't have these great skills doesn't mean she's boring. Again, everyone takes it at face value. Just because we don't see what they could get up to or talk about when they're not on the screen when they're hanging out, doesn't mean they're not having fun or just being a goddamn couple.
Why do you think they were able to make it to the third coffee date, huh?
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It punches me emotionally that Phoenix either doesn't have motivation on his own or that he lets motivations inspired by other people push away things he likes, like his art degree. There's so much issues to unttangle there, like lacking direction in his life, depression, self-worth issues, identity, and so on. Also, for Kristoph's trap, it's possible that Phoenix just. Wasn't surprised that it happened. Even without potentially disassociating, he's eeriely calm.
(continued) Like Phoenix seemed to expect it could happen that he was set up. It would have been possible to prove his innocence. He didn't. Did he fear only more attacks against him would follow?
ooh, now this is a deeply fun ask to get on my day off, thank you very much anon.
I'm gonna assume this is a reference to this post where I did some tag rambling, so I'll continue some thoughts from there.
100% agree in regards to motivation. Trilogy Phoenix is fascinating to me, I know Takumi said that Phoenix tends to be something of a self-insert for the player, as the "detective" in a mystery plot he's there to solve, not act. But when you take away that doylist perspective, and go inside the text to look at him as a character, things get interesting.
The way I always saw it, the Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney games aren't really about Phoenix Wright. AA1 dedicates its largest and most significant character arc to Edgeworth, AA2 mostly has Phoenix being pushed through cases by others (all the games do this but it's really noticable in AA2) and AA3 finishes the Fey family's 3-game arc, which is more about Mia and Maya. Phoenix has very little backstory, and very few personal goals, but that's complemented by the fact that Phoenix's characterisation explains why. His motivations, his sense of self, identity, etc. all seem to exist as projections from other people. He's Edgeworth & Larry's friend because they saved him, he becomes a defence attorney because of Edgeworth's childhood beliefs, and the turnabout terror because he's emulating Mia (this is so obvious that Godot points it out). He dates Dahlia because she tells him he's her boyfriend now, his friendship with Maya begins because Mia told her to take care of him, he's Trucy's father because she casts him in the role... this is a repeated pattern for pre 7yg Phoenix. Even in terms of one of his strongest trilogy motivations - saving Edgeworth - he's still to some extent repeating the pattern that Edgeworth unknowingly set at 9 years old.
And when there aren't people around... well that's when the inverse kicks in. When Maya isn't around, Phoenix won't take cases for months (this... has always sounded like depression to me, and I think there's a really good argument for Phoenix having some form of depression. It's how I tend to write him.) He talks about Trucy "being his light", and implies that without her, he would have given up post-disbarment. Phoenix has a VERY obvious savior complex, and it's repeatedly taken advantage of; he defines his worth by how good he is at rescuing others. Examples of this off the top of my head include apologising to Lana for not fully aquiting her when she very much did commit a crime, how upset he is during AA2 because he tried to save Edgeworth and couldn't (even though it's clear that Edgeworth needed to save himself), and wanting to defend Iris even though for all he knows, she's his evil ex (at the point he decides to defend her, he has 0 evidence this isn't the same woman who tried to kill him.) But when it comes to himself? Well, he can get injured or threatened (and he does! a lot!) but Phoenix will NEVER defend himself in the same way he does other people (there's a whole tangent I could go into about how he's a very non-violent character and the few instances in the series where he's physically violent are extremly indicative of this protective streak. But I digress).
So we come to the Zak Gramarye case - Why doesn't Phoenix react? Well, he does. But to defend Zak, not himself. I think this case would have been different if any assistant had been there, whether Maya, Ema, or Pearl, because they wouldn't have accepted it, would have taken it as a challenge to themselves, and by extention motivated Phoenix. But with Phoenix alone... he's only fighting for his client. And when his client disappears... well then, he'll take it passively (If Zak had stayed, would Phoenix have pulled a turnabout? Possibly, there may have been some way to fix the situation if he'd been motivated to do so. He's arguably fought worse.)
This is why the 7yg is deeply, deeeeeeply interesting to me as someone who loves to fill in character development, because the character development that happens in the 7yg changes basically all of this. By the time we see Phoenix again in 4-1, he has gained a decidedly selfish streak, he's out for... something, whether justice, vengeance or just stopping Kristoph from hurting people, Phoenix is finally has his own goals, and he's willing to do whatever it takes to succeed. (Thus comes the reversal, Phoenix is to Apollo in AA4 what other people were to Phoenix in the trilogy, though I'd argue that Apollo has a far better developed sense of self)
Would love to hear other peoples opinions on this one though (anon you are very welcome to come back and talk more, would love to hear ur opinions on Phoenix expecting to be set-up)
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{¤} Rod is used to people not taking his questions seriously. Sometimes, it felt like everyone else (aside from Todd) thought Rod was a clueless baby. It...hurts.
Dev is different. He knows how to validate Rod without necessarily agreeing with him wholeheartedly. Rod wishes more people were like that.
"When I brought up the possibility of Christian aliens to Lisa, she said 'It's quite reductive for you to assume a civilization millions of lightyears away would hold the same beliefs as you when many of your fellow humans don't even agree with your religion, blah blah blah blah blah blahhhh'..."
Rod gives his best Lisa Simpson impression, his left hand opening and closing as if it were talking. When he finishes, he looks down at his hand in shame. That was kinda mean, wasn't it?
Then again, Lisa took no issue with being judgmental and condescending towards him and Todd, even if she tries to be polite about it. Surely, Rod is justified in mocking her behind her back to his close friend?
...Rod will pray extra hard for forgiveness just in case.
Though the prospect of God not being real makes Rod wince, it's hard for him to argue with that logic. It's a lot more open minded than Lisa's rebuttal.
"I like your perspective better...that makes sense to me."
While Dev rushes up to his bookshelf, Rod feels more questions bubble up to the surface. If God wasn't real, is Rod wasting his life? Have the Flanders been depriving themselves of joy over false promises of paradise? Are Rod's prayers empty wishes into the void? Is Rod an idiot for devoting himself to the delusion he calls a deity?
These questions die on the tip of Rod's tongue, now that Dev has presented him with manga. He couldn't possibly bear to bring the mood down when Dev is so excited!
"Oh! That looks like the comics Mrs. Albertson draws! I think you'd like her."
Rod hasn't gotten the opportunity to interact with Yumiko first hand, but he's seen her around town and heard about her from his neighbors. There's been more manga and Japanese imports at The Android's Dungeon since their marriage. He'll have to ask her if they have any Prime Meridian just in case Dev pays a visit to Springfield. If not, Rod heard there's another store in town they can go to.
Since Rod isn't familiar with Prime Meridian, he doesn't have any meaningful questions to ask about it. Part of him is embarrassed to admit he doesn't know a single thing about it. It's probably obvious anyway, but he still doesn't want it to seem too blatant.
Best to stick to vaguely relevant questions.
"Would you want to live underwater?" Rod innocently asks, "I think it would be fun for a while, but I'd miss basking in the sun or smelling flowers in my backyard." {¤}
✧ 「 @tuesdayscanons 」 ✧ - Continued from ★
「 ☆ 」 One of Dev's favorite aspects about spending time with Rod is the abundance of moments like this. Deceptively mundane at a glance, the pair wile away the hours in Dev's room. No current entertainment but the conversation filling the air and the occasional click of a fidget toy; Dev's hands demanding stimulation as his mind is allowed to wander. It's uncertain exactly how the topic crawled its way toward aliens... but it feels like a route worth exploring. Even if it's not, Rod would never say so.
That's another thing Dev enjoys about being around the agreeable boy.
Kicking his legs as he lies on his stomach atop of an overly-cushy beanbag, Dev lets Rod float down his winding stream of thought. Trickle turns into a roar as the expected starting point of religion— if there's one thing Dev knows about his friend aside from a tendency to go along with other people's ideas, it's that he's fixated on the concept of God —leads Rod to other questions. Each one adds upon the next, until the boy falters under the weight and decides to pretend it doesn't exist.
While Rod hastily throws his curiosities onto the ground, Dev simply picks them back up. Doubtful the interest is gone just because Rod's courage is. Besides, Dev has ANSWERS to those questions. It'd be a waste to let them go unheard. ❝ What makes you think they don't have marriage or monogamy? ❞ He begins with genuine skepticism, not judgmental... but advocating for another point of view. ❝ We don't know anything about these aliens. Just because they aren't us doesn't mean they can't be like us. ❞
Repositioning to sit upright on the beanbag, Dev keeps talking as he shifts with some difficulty on the unstable surface, ❝ Anyway, I guess whether they practice Christianity would depend on if God exists. ❞ Despite throwing out such a potent statement by Rod's standards, Dev treats it as casually as any other thought. ❝ If he doesn't, then there'd be no way for them to practice it because they don't have the same history as us. So, there's nothing to make the religion in the first place. ❞ With no human figures or man-made texts to guide them, it only makes sense that a belief system more catered to their culture would exist.
❝ But if he does, then Christianity would probably be at least one of their beliefs. Because they could have their own experiences with it. ❞ Satisfied with his reasoning, Dev then lights up at the opportunity to answer the more compelling of Rod's questions. ❝ Oh! And I know ONE way they could look! ❞ Eagerly scrambling to his feet, the small boy rushes over to his bookshelf and pulls out a book from what looks like a large collection. Flipping through the pages while he makes his way back to Rod, gaze is fixated upon the illustrations as he explains, ❝ It really depends on what kind of planet they're on, but if it was a water one— ❞
Never mind that technically, Dev has already had a run-in with intergalactic visitors. There can be more than one type of alien and it's not like Dev can tell Rod about it without delving into a lengthy explanation that he'd rather not. Opening to a page of the first issue of ❛ Prime Meridian ❜ , he points to the fish-like person prominently posing, ❝ —maybe they could look something like this guy. He sort of counts as an alien, just because the world he's from is like ours but ISN'T actually ours. ❞ Not according to the creator, anyway. But frankly, considering all the fantastical things Dev has been privy to since gaining a fairy godparent, he wouldn't be surprised if the manga could be more accurate-to-life than intended. 「 ☆ 」
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I have very little evidence for this theory but gonna throw it out there anyway:
The Frozen Hearts Killer was referencing the Road Back when he spoke about there being something Nancy didn’t understand. After all, it seems like the police made very little progress in years and this was a high profile case involving the FBI, not some crime left unsolved by the police department of a coastal town. It would make sense if he had the help from a powerful party.
And from a story telling perspective, Temperance and Bess seem to be setting out on an attempt to restart the Women in White, so the Road Back rising from the woodwork to try and make a move would make sense given their past animosity.
We know the Road Back has killers on their payroll too so it wouldn't be out of the question. I can imagining them sending their killer purposefully out to kill the Matthew Burke (the man in the tent) due to his interest in the Hudsons. Maybe it wasn't Ryan or Nancy he was interested in, rather it was the death of Celia and that he suspected Ryan might have been the one to cross the Road Back and caused the death. He certainly seemed interested in the Icarians as well as the Hudsons. Maybe he wasn’t following Temperance Hudson but rather his whole investigation is into the Road Back. And they sent the Frozen Heart Killer after him because of it. Then the Road Back told him to linger around town, purposefully trying to get Nancy’s attention because the Road Back would have been able to work out from the timings of what happened that Nancy is the most likely person the deal was made for so setting a serial killer loose on her town might have been an intended distraction to keep her from further investigating the Road Back.
Also underground prison (mentioned in the 3x06 synopsis) being linked to the Frozen Hearts Killings? It suggests he had someone with a great deal of influence linked to him who was able to buy up a large amount of property at a time where people wouldn't pay much attention to what was being build - say the time the Icarians are about.
All this leads me to the question - how much did Daniel West tell the Road Back? Because they knew the list was intended to go to them. They knew Daniel West had made a move on their behalf and Celia blocked it. It suggests Daniel West at least made contact about getting hold of the list. To me the most obvious time for the call would be when he has Ace. He would have his guarantee that he would get the list, (has half an hour to kill) and would also be aware that he just kidnapped the son of a cop and that the moment he hands Ace over he has no leverage and the cops could swarm over him. It makes sense that he would call them the moment his victory is assured (so he doesn't end up failing them which seems like it might not be a fun thing to do) and ask to arrange a meeting place so he can easily disappear into the care of the Road Back and not have to worry about trying to contact them when he is a wanted man.
This turned into a bit of a ramble. If you can make sense out of it, congratulations. Just throwing out my thoughts on a possible theory really.
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THE SPONGEBOB SQUAREPANTS MOVIE: AN INVERSION ON “COMING OF AGE” FILMS AND A CRITICISM OF ADULTHOOD
Hi hello hey it’s me Jericho Jay “Japes” Marshall out here with a pretentious love letter to the filmmaking on display in nickelodeons The Spongebob Movie. Yes, I know it’s a kids movie. Yes, I know it’s not that deep. But I’m majoring in english, and deeply depressed, so I need to get this OUT and onto a PAGE.
I have watched this film many times over my lifetime, a few when i was just a kid, then in my early teens, even when i turned eighteen, and now, a month before i turn 20. Every time, I grow a new appreciation for the nuances that this movie brings to the table, and on my most recent watch my own deliverance from childhood makes me relate to the core themes the hardest I ever have. The Spongebob Movie isn’t just a movie about childhood, but a movie about adulthood.
Today, I’m going to make clear exactly how The Spongebob Squarepants Movie criticizes our understanding of adulthood and how society treats the neurodivergent, while effectively turning the “Coming of Age” genre on its head, within its 87 minute runtime.
START: CONSISTENT CHARACTERIZATION
One thing a lot of films (ESPECIALLY kids films) fail to nail is consistently showing aspects of a character throughout the runtime, enough that changes to a character feel impactful and justified instead of rushed and stifled. The best examples of movies that fail to do this are often the marvel movies that people tend to not remember- the first two thor movies, the avengers age of ultron, etc. In these movies, characters certainly have traits, but their personalities and motives can be very weak and make dramatic changes feel A LOT less dramatic. This can be seen in age of ultron, when quicksilver gave his own life to save someone else, which felt like nothing because he wasn't well developed. He wasn't particularly endearing, nor did him sacrificing his life contradict a part of his character. It felt very much like the writers trying to say "Look, this character which was once opposing the avengers, is now dying for one. Please cry." No hate to the writers of Age of Ultron, but it proves itself often to be an unmemorable part of the catalogue.
In the Spongebob Movie, the characterization is ON. POINT. After the introduction, with the pirates rushing in to watch spongebob, we get so much information regarding spongebob as a character.
Pictured: Spongebob holding a piece of cheese like an operator
The first scene of the plot is a dream sequence a large crowded scene at the Krusty Krab, with a customer not receiving cheese on his patty, and it being positioned in the same way as a bomb being located. In the dream, everyone is panicked, and Mr. Krabs is visibly distressed, almost like a damsel. Spongebob comes in, announcing his position as manager, much to the relief of Krabs. He goes in, and puts cheese on the burger (again, very akin to a bomb defusal scene), bringing the perturbed customer out safe and sound. Everyone lifts spongebob up as a hero, which is interrupted by his boat alarm.
This scene is JAM PACKED with stuff that both introduces the character to new watchers and introduces the crux of his arc to everyone else. Spongebob of course is very fond of the Krusty Krab, and wants to be the manager- he wants people to see him as cool, and as a responsible adult. He wants to be the sort of person that can be trusted with big responsibilities. And we also see, most importantly, that he is extremely childish through his faximile of what it meant to be adult. Everything is scaled up; it's a very silly situation, which well suits both the joke and his character as an inexperienced kid. This is one of the most direct ways to convey someone's character, because a dream can be interpreted as a direct port into a character's desires. This being the first introduction to the character in the movie sets the tone for EVERY following situation.
In the next few scenes you see Spongebob's real life, which involves his lengthy morning routine; his life is sort of whimsical, and so too is his routine. He showers by shoving a hose into himself till he bursts with water, he uses toothpaste to clean his eyes but not his teeth, and he puts on pants which he must fold to make. Again, all pretty solid jokes, but also very telling about his outlook. He is funny, weird, and childish, which is juxtaposed by the scene where he's- he's uh- showering with squidward. Squidward is an example of the "adult" that spongebob isn't. This has always been the case, but here his normal routine makes it very clear that other people in this world aren't like spongebob. They shower normally, they brush their teeth, they put their clothes on like normal. Spongebob's world is one of wonder and without responsibility, which makes it questionable as to whether he could handle one.
Pictured: Spongebob's room, adorned with childhood imagery
Pictured: Spongebob celebrating his position as a manager, despite Krabs saying that it was squidward who got it
Even his room in this scene screams "kid". He has toys strewn about, glow in the dark stars, and pictures of superheroes on the wall. He even says "Sorry about this calendar" as he rips a page, personifying inanimate objects as a kid would. The movie is telling you, "THIS CHARACTER IS A KID", but in a way that's masked because it's also just a set up for jokes. It's done so well, in my opinion, that it would go over your head because from your perspective you would be laughing along as spongebob did his wacky antics.
On top of that, his excitement for his assured managerial position at the Krusty Krab 2 continues to be bolstered. He marked it off with a cute drawing on his calendar, for those familiar he changes his normal "I'm ready" chant to "I'm ready- promotion-", and he's even already set up a party to celebrate at his favorite chain, Goofy Goobers, a child's entertainment restaurant similar to chucky cheese, albeit replacing pizza for ice cream. He hasn't just gotten excited, but has this childish anticipation for something which isn't even assured.
Spongebob arrives at the opening of the Krusty Krab 2, where he is so excited he can't contain his glee. He breaks the silence and makes members of the crowd uncomfortable, reinforcing again that spongebob is a standout in a world of adults, and a kid who doesn't understand certain social norms, which society looks down upon. When Krabs reveals that Squidward got the managerial position, Spongebob hyped himself so much that he starts celebrating, not even noticing that he wasn't picked. He gets on stage, and begins to give a speech, to which Krabs interrupts.
The next part I think best illustrates Spongebob's clear ignorance to society: Krabs attempts to subtly tell spongebob that he isn't getting the job, but spongebob repeats everything he says into the microphone. Again, fantastic joke, grade A, but the amount this shows how invested spongebob was. He already saw himself as an adult, someone who everyone would look up to as a manager- he could take the responsibility, and isn't aware of everyone likely cringing in the audience. This is the natural step for him in his mind, especially because of his exemplary work which had been previously celebrated through employee of the month awards. This was not an option for him. There wasn't a world in his mind where he would be outclassed by squidward.
Krabs has to break to him that he lacks responsibility, and that his childishness makes it difficult for Krabs to give him such a job. This might seem harsh, but I think the intro again shows how Spongebob saw the job; he didn't understand what it would be like, fantasizing another level in the menial work structure to be an amazing adventure of a job. People in the crowd reaffirm that in the eyes of society, spongebob is just a kid, a goofball. In my eyes, this is a story not just of childhood, but of neurodivergence. Spongebob isn't normal, and is blocked by society for his ignorance of social norms and sunny disposition. He finds things fun that other people can not, and he places values in completely different things. So he is blocked from the meaningful recognition he desired, despite the obvious evidence of his commitment.
I think this is a mighty interesting dichotomy!!! Simultaneously, spongebob's understanding of the world truly is warped, often resulting in a lack of consideration for others as well as harm for himself when things don't go his way, AND he is a good worker which puts in MANY hours of work without so much of a complaint. This is COMPLEX. You have to ask yourself, as a viewer, "would I give spongebob the job?" The answer can be different and can be REASONED.
And that's JUST spongebob! There are other characters with characterization that mixes into the themes of the movie very well, but I'm going to bring up any related points in future sections.
Okay, Okay. So now you're saying "WOW OKAY GREAT so why does any of this matter?" I'm so glad you asked. VERY glad.
2: THE BREAKING OF A YOUNG MAN'S SPIRIT
THIS is the point of the movie. The obstacle in this movie truly isn't adulthood, but instead self doubt. Spongebob's whole world is turned upside down by Krab's rejection of his basic personality. Spongebob asks himself: is it REALLY okay to be who I am? Am I an adult? Is the world fair? One of the most shocking scenes in the movie is blended so well in tone with the rest that you don't really notice; spongebob eating ice cream to cope with his disappointment, akin to that of adults drinking alcohol, and appearing to be visually "drunk" and washed up. This is BRILLIANT, and a recurring theme, where the true line between adult and childhood becomes blurry and impossible to see. Spongebob, the representation of a kid, gets hungover, spiteful, and angry about the injustice of his situation. This is often how adults act in the fact of adversity, but what's funny is that this too is how a kid would act; getting angry and overindulging, feeling entitled and acting socially immature when he didn't get what he wanted. He walks in to the Krusty Krab literally just to shit talk Krabs. And it doesn't stop there.
Pictured: Plankton finding "Plan Z" and looking at it like a centerfold in a playboy magazine
Almost every character in this movie juxtaposes another, again smearing the line of what it means to be an adult. For example, Spongebob and Plankton are polar opposites; plankton is cold and vengeful, angry at the world around him, and spongebob is a happy person who tends not to take things personally, a friend to all. In planktons first appearances in the movie, he is portrayed with clear adult themes, mocking spongebob, making pinup jokes about plan z, and living in a fairly dark and grey space. But, as the story moves along, we see many similarities; both spongebob and plankton are fairly one track minded, and when spongebob's perception is broken he himself gets a little vengeful. When eugene is put in danger over this, though, we do see that he places the lives of others over his own wants. And, even at the end of the movie, we see their similarities. Plankton reuses the "Sorry Calendar" joke that spongebob used at the start of the movie, drawing another line of what it means to be an adult. Is it childish of plankton to say that? Is the inherent irony he has impactful here? His want for something that isn't his, and his disregard for others in pursuing it feels just like how a younger child may steal the toy of another, without understanding what it means to share.
Pictured: Neptune flipping his shit at his lost crown
Then, there's the character of Neptune. Neptune is a big man baby. He rules the entire land, commands the most respect, and is considered the most powerful person under the sea, and yet, we see that he gets overprotective of his property, prepared to execute anyone who even annoys him. Throughout the film, he's obsessed with chasing an image of youth, as he is bald, and ignores the suffering of the people on bikini bottom to make sure no one sees his bald head. He throws what's equivalent to a tantrum when he finds his crown is missing, and believes a very crude note written by plankton saying that it was eugene who stole it. His character is an "acceptable" child because he's in a position of power, where spongebob is an "unacceptable" child as he is just a working class member of society. And the funniest part is, that he mocks spongebob for wanting to go for the crown, when even he, the strongest person in bikini bottom, refuses to go out of fear.
We see that these "bastions" of adulthood, plankton and neptune, are the ones who are responsible for missteps of society; we're ALL children in the long run, but the strict enforcement of a perceived true adulthood creates a space where they can act immaturely yet those under them/around them cannot. Dennis makes this case even more, as the only thing he does in this movie is hurt others. There's only one thing that seems to truly denote adulthood, and it's cruelty.
Even squidward, the adult that is supposed to be more responsible that spongebob, refuses to go on the quest to retrieve the crown, as he acts mostly in self interest, even later claiming to only care that plankton was stealing the secret formula as it was hurting his own paycheck.
Spongebob is the only one willing to go, willing to defend the man who wronged him, willing to value life over his own interests. He is both child and adult, just as the adults are too children.
As he moves through the plot of this film, he becomes less confident in his disposition, with his naivete causing moments like him and patrick crossing the state line and immediately getting carjacked, or them being put into an uncomfortable situation by all the bubbles they blew when they tried to get their car back. His bright personality is questioned constantly: Only five days to shell city? BY CAR. This is man's country. But weren't we the double bubble blowing babies?
Pictured: Spongebob caught trying to take back the key to the patty wagon when patrick fails to distract everyone
This is made more obvious to him as patrick remains oblivious throughout; patrick is a mirror for him, that acts as a childhood constant, that makes it clearer for him every day the draws of his childishness. There's the moment in the club where patrick's distraction was poorly thought out, and only because he said he wanted to do it adamantly, there's the moment where patrick challenged neptune on how many days they would have to do it, which served no purpose but for his own fun, there's the moment patrick points out the free ice cream trap- he is the unemployed uncritical lens that spongebob is afraid he is.
So everything's fucked, and anyone who is childish is bad i guess!!!
But that isn't so,
3: The illusion of manhood
So we've talked about spongebob's characterization as a naive child, how this is impactful in his transformation into someone who is anxious about that aspect of his personality, and how the society around him is hypocritical in it's own immaturity. But where does this all come together?
Pictured: Planktons dystopian world, which Mindy shows Spongebob and Patrick
It's at spongebob and patricks "conversion to manhood". At his lowest point, spongebob becomes a squidward- he becomes critical of his AND patricks interests, and regards them as childish, deciding that this means that they can't make it to shell city, as it requires them to be adults. When mindy shows them the dire situation back home, she hopes that spongebob's sunny personality and care for others would shine through, but instead he turns to what society has been telling him; it's impossible. He can't do it, he's just a little kid, and there is no point to any of this as he'll fail regardless.
Thinking about it like this, it truly is one of the darkest points in the entire series; spongebob just openly admitted that there was nothing he could do, that all of his friends were goners because he was effectively useless.
Mindy comes up with an idea; she'll trick spongebob and patrick into believing they're men; she convinces them of mermaid magic (their innocence allowing them to believe) and uses kelp to make them think they've matured into adults. Notice that physical modifiers being the only key to this "fake adulthood". With this, they jump off a cliff because they believe that with adulthood, they are invincible.
This is really telling about how the society they're in thinks of being an adult, and relays that to children. There's another level, a distinct separation between spongebob and adulthood, which seemed like the difference between a squire and a knight- being an adult means that you aren't weak anymore (as though he was weak in the first place), and thus you can do things you never thought before. Is it truly healthy that this is how a society tells kids that adulthood is like, for them to enter the world and feel a truly awful financial and literal hellscape waiting for them? uh, you can, you can decide that for yourself i think.
Nonetheless, they survive the fall, and conclude that they really are invincible, able to power through a ravine with their happy go lucky attitude, eventually befriending the monsters which were once trying to kill them. They weren't acting like adults, but the labels themselves made it possible for them to soldier on with the childlike disposition they had. I find that to be powerful. If we were able to be more hopeful as adults, and power through the worst things brightly, could we do great things? Idk but these depression meds sure do taste good nom nom
After crossing the ravine, spongebob and patrick meet dennis, and have their worldview crushed as it's revealed that they are actually still kids. Dennis being the "alpha male" that he is, is characterized by violence and a lack of morality. The pair are saved by a giant boot, which is the first of two humans in this movie. Spongebob and patrick are both taken by the man in the diver suit, as we fade to black, marking the end of their illusion of adulthood.
4: Back from the Edge (of death)
Spongebob and Patrick awaken in an antique shop, realizing that they were surrounded by fish that had been killed specifically for sale as tacky antiques. They are lifted out of their fishbowl, and put under a heatlamp, as their fate is sealed to become a member among those dead fish. In spongebob's final moments, he mourns his inability to be an adult, as well as to reach shell city; but before they both die, patrick points out that they truly did reach shell city, as the crown was within their reach.
This. This is a phenomenal scene. Why? Because of what it means for spongebob's arc.
Pictured: Spongebob and Patrick on their deathbeds, finding happiness
He sees the crown, and realizes that, unequivocally, that even if he didn't bring the crown back, he made it to shell city. Every person he met told him that he couldn't even do that. and he did it. He is a kid, yes, but he's a kid who went where not even NEPTUNE dared go. Everything people said about him, about how him being a kid stopped him from success, was suddenly shattered. He has been asking himself if it's okay that he is a kid, and he saw, unambiguously, that it is. He is allowed to be happy. He can enjoy things that other people don't. He can be naive. He can be himself, no matter what anyone says. And so can you. Great things can be done by people who are "childish", who are "naive", who are kind without expecting a return, all of it. YOU are okay. Your stims are okay, your comfort series are okay, your interest in tropes are okay, YOU'RE OKAY!!!!
with that, spongebob and patrick are dehydrated on the table, and ostensibly die, the kids that they are, shedding one final tear each, forming a heart beneath them.
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Miraculously, the tear electrocutes that lamp at it's socket, causing smoke to rise and set off the sprinklers, rehydrating the pair, and bringing them back to life. The "Man in the Suit" attempts to capture them, seeing them about to lift Neptune's crown, but the rest of the dehydrated fish come back to life- squirting him with his own glue and beating him to the ground, as spongebob and patrick run out with the crown. David Hasselhoff offers them a ride back to Bikini Bottom, and the pair begin their ride back.
5: The confrontation of Adulthood and Childhood
Pictured: Dennis looking all lame and shit
As spongebob and patrick are being swam back to bikini bottom, the boot under which dennis was crushed rockets to Hasselhoff, spitting him back out to finish the job. The appearance of Dennis, IN MY OPINION, makes him look rather goofy, with his broken glasses making him look more like a office worker than a badass assassin as he attempts to kill spongebob and patrick. Spongebob, in trying to reason with him, is able to ruin his eyes with bubbles, and then survives as dennis gets hit by a raised platform which spongebob and patrick are too low to be hit by.
Having defeated one representation of adulthood, spongebob and patrick are shot down by HasselHoffs MASSIVE MAN TITS with the crown in order to prevent Krab's fate, blocking Neptune's lazer just in time as they crash in.
All seems to be well, but plankton uses one of his mind control helmets (which we'll be getting into later) to enslave even Neptune, putting mindy, spongebob, patrick, and Krabs against the wall.
In another stark moment of characterization, Spongebob tells patrick that "Plankton Cheated", which prompts plankton to tell spongebob that the situation wasn't a kiddy game, and that it was the real world. This sort of distinctions in their ethos tell you how spongebob interacts with justice; he believes in "playing fair", while plankton is bitter and believes in getting what he wants.
Finally, the apex to our plot, is a musical number. Spongebob begins to make a long-winded speech, where he takes ownership of every label he was called as he stood on the stage at the beginning, the similarity between the two events being clear (holding a microphone at an inappropriate time, making a speech as he blocks out input from an adult trying to talk him down). Spongebob then busts out into the film's rendition of Twisted Sister's "I Wanna Rock", "I'm a Goofy Goober". This results in spongebob reversing plankton's whole plot with "the power of rock and roll". Plankton is made powerless, and thrown into a little padded cell.
The final scene in the movie has Mr. Krabs freed from his imprisonment in ice, and spongebob is offered squidwards position as manager of the second Krusty Krab. He seems hesitant, and squidward offers an insightful analysis of what spongebob might be feeling (the typical analysis of a coming of age movie, where the protagonist finds out that what they wanted all along is not what they wanted, but it was what was inside all along). Spongebob refutes that squidwards fly was just down, and GLADLY accepts the job.
AND THAT'S THE MOVIE
6: AN INVERSION ON THE COMING OF AGE GENRE
A coming of age story tends to be one which is focus on the growth of a character from childhood to adulthood, asking questions about what it means to be an adult. A character reaches for their perceived adulthood, and realizes what it means to ACTUALLY be an adult, typically juxtaposing what people think (drugs, parties, sex) versus what the movie postures as the correct adulthood (responsibility). In this, I think that the spongebob movie directly criticizes the position of what "an adult" is, in the sense of how someone acts.
Like we discussed in part 2, every adult character in this movie tends to be very childish in themselves, unable to see through simple ruses, and often very possessive of personal property. I don't think we actually see a child in this movie as a speaker at any point, only really as background characters (in goofy goobers to solidify spongebob as childish, and I believe in the chum bucket as they're lead to an unsafe place by their parents, who are supposed to be responsible). Thus, what is mostly examined is how adulthood and childhood is a very thin line. Squidward, for example, going directly to plankton to accuse him of stealing the formula, instead of taking it to the top immediately, which would have ended this whole thing fairly quickly; that was rather silly, and was the fruit of his need to assert himself as an adult.
Spongebob goes through this movie FIRST not caring much about whether or not he was an adult, and it is only after the social pressure from adults does he start to chase it. He then chases his perceived image of an adult, going on an adventure, and is crushed by the fact that he isn't an adult. Instead of finding what an adult is, he instead becomes comfortable with his existence as a child, finding himself at the end of the movie able to comfortably chase after an ideal again, where in a normal movie he would humbly reject the job he was offered.
This is, truly, what we should all take from this film. Spongebob realizes that people who aren't necessarily socially adjusted or acceptable can do great things, regardless of what the people around them say, especially because the people around them are liable to throw tantrums and be actively harmful to society. He is allowed to find comfort in childish things, and to be naive, because the world needs more people willing to help others. It's a scathing criticism on the imposed adulthood that exists in a lot of coming of age films, which begs us to drop fun in the interest of doing the right thing, as though those two ideas are contradictory.
BONUS: EXTRA STUFF THAT I LIKED
The goofy goober song became really good storytelling, at first marking childishness, then marking a level of discomfort and judgement in the club, then marking spongebob recognizing that his happiness came from what he liked and not some vague idea of adulthood, and finally marking his full acceptance of his childishness, taking the form of rock, the music of rebellion. It's not as subtle as leitmotifs, but it works really well in how the same song can give very different feelings throughout, and inform how we interact with a story.
There are a lot more examples of adults being pressured into childishness, with the connected twins who liked goofy goober at the club, who were beaten senseless for absolutely no reason, which highlights the way that the society hurts people that, by all means, are just as much adults as anyone else. There's of course Plankton's helmets which created a society of people who simply slaved away with nothing to say, taking life as it came and listening to authority.
On top of that, this movie is PRETTY ANTICAPITALIST AND ANTIMONARCHY, despite those things being allowed to continue to exist at the end- monarchy is seen misusing power constantly and often for unfounded reasons, and Spongebob's diligence at work is rejected by a penny pinching Krabs, who cares only about money. Like, THE KRUSTY KRABS ARE RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER? THAT IS SOME MONTY PYTHON ASS SHIT. This year is the first year i laughed at that joke, because it's really some "capitalists are fucking dumb as shit" humor that slipped over my head when i was a kid. The villain literally being defeated by Rock and Roll, which was sung with a message against the oppression of differences in people? Yeah, I think the spongebob movie hated rich mother fuckers.
END: UH YEAH THAT'S WHAT IT IS
So yeah. The movie is good I think. There's a lot more i could go into, but I've been writing this post for hours and at this point i haven't even read it so...
I recommend going back and giving this film a rewatch!!! Pay attention to all the moments where adults act like children/kids act like adults, because it'll make ur brain pop like a zit. Anyways that's me, I'm Jericho Jay "Japes" Marshall, and I HATE facism.
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Aussie Wildlife FAQ
So here's questions I'm frequently asked as both a wildlife rescuer and carer and keeper at a wildlife sanctuary. Heads up, this is a long post, I've made the questions stick out so you can easily skip through. I've tried to make it as easy to read as possible, and to find what you're after, whilst also providing lots of info.
Poison Vs Venom, what's the difference?
Well, mostly, poison just never stops killing. Like if you poison an insect, then a bird or small mammal eats that insect and they slowly get poisoned by all the poisoned insects they eat, then something eats them, like an owl, and that gets poisoned, then as it rots the poison goes into the environment, etc. Poison never dies. Venom has to be injected, so yes you can be envenomated by a dead animal, if you are stupid. Poison can be inhaled, eaten/drunk or even through touch. So if a cow is poisoned you have to dispose of the body safely, if a cow is bitten by a venomous snake, technically you can still have steak for dinner.
Are all Australian animals out to kill you?
Maybe.
They could want to kill us, I mean as a species we aren't that great. Their ability to kill us however is limited. So are all Aussie animals able to kill you? No. So we have lots of cute small mammals, like antechinus, dunnarts, pygmy possums and the like, that can bite and scratch but are very tiny bois. We even have lots of non-venomous snakes, pythons and blind snakes. Most lizards outside of Goannas can't cause too much damage. Echidna's are completely defensive, have no attack whatsoever. Lots of birds have no interest in you, unless you get near their nest. Freshwater Turtles, Little Penguins and Tawny Frogmouths all main defense is shitting really stinky shit at you. Even our venomous snakes, as long as you seek medical attention you should be fine. Considering we have the top 10 most venomous snakes in the world but average only 1 death a year that's pretty good.
But you still have lots of dangerous animals right?
Yes.
Maybe I should elaborate. Any animal is dangerous, including you, if given the right circumstances. I'm a lovely person but hurt my dog and you better run. Most animals don't want a bar of you. However, if you are a threat to them, or their babies, they will defend themselves. A lot of animals get tagged with the word 'aggressive' which I don't like, aggression is a human emotion that I've never seen in wild animals, or even pets and things. Mostly it's defensive behaviours that people read wrong. For example, the most venomous snake in the world is the Inland Taipan (found in Aust.), however the most dangerous snake in Australia is the Eastern Brown snake, less venomous but also less shy and lives in suburbia. Still, it only ever strikes at people when it feels cornered and needs to get you to back the hell off. And lets be real here, what else can they do? They can't yell and scream, they can't punch or kick. Legit their only option is to bite, and even then mostly it's a closed mouth strike to freak you out into stepping back, and most people bitten by snakes are given a 'dry bite' where no venom is injected, as they want to use it on their food not waste it on us. And 90% of snake bites that happen in Australia are people either trying to catch or kill a snake.
It's fairly simple. Don't threaten animals, don't give them a reason to be dangerous and you are fine. Crocodiles in the water? Don't swim there. Sharks around? Avoid swimming at twilight. Snake? Leave it alone. Nest with baby birds? walk away. You don't randomly show up in some strangers home and expect them not to react, so why do we expect different from animals?
What animals are on the most 'dangerous list' then? Which animals should I really avoid pissing off?
Start with the obvious. Crocodiles, venomous snakes, sharks, some jellyfish, venomous spiders, stone fish, blue ringed octopus, birds of prey (our Wedge Tailed Eagle WILL attack drones, hang-gliders and helicopters if they come into their territory) Then you've got the less obvious. Ants - like meat ants, they will swarm over you then all bite down at once. 1 bite isn't so bad, a whole colony biting you, deadly. Then there's other ants in the Myrmecia family (bull ants and the like) that are just HUGE, and have massive mandables for biting and also can sting you, and are one of the most toxic insects in the world.
Wombats - Can run at 40km/hr, skull so hard it's the only thing a Tassie Devil can't eat, able to bite your calf muscle clean off your leg, oh and they have killer booty. A hard cartilage plate in their lower back that they use to block their burrows, and if threatened can lay down and as the animal tries to get past jam their legs straight and crush the skull of a fox against the roof of their burrow, easily break a dingoes jaw or even destroy your hand.
Kangaroos - yes they box, hahaha wouldn't it be funny to box with a kangaroo. NO. Kangroos box for fun but also to defend themselves and their mob. The Alpha male is the big buff one that looks like he's on steroids. He looks like that for a reason, to defend and protect his mob. DO NOT MESS WITH ANY KANGAROOs, but really don't mess with Big Daddy (for being the alpha he gets all the ladies) Kangaroos are made for this. A punch from a Kangaroo can easily break you ribs. They can lean back on their tail and bring both legs up to kick you, easily tearing you open, which they can do with the claws on their toes, and so basically dissecting you from sternum down. Oh and if they gran you round the neck for a 'Cuddle' DUCK AND RUN. They will hold you in a kind of choke hold and then bring their legs up to kick you and basically snap you in half. Don't even mess with Wallabies man, they may be smaller but can still do damage.
Tassie Devils - are extremely shy and slower than you, like you can actually run away from them. BUT. They have the strongest bite strength compared to size of any animal. The have a PSI of 1200 and males weigh around 8 kg. For perspective, Hyenas have a PSI of 1100 and males weigh around 50kg
Brushtail Possums - They may be cuter than the American Opossums but trust me, they don't want you around. They are solitary so most people have heard them fighting of a night, screeching, shrieking, hissing, growling and making darth vadar noises. Heads up from someone who has had to rescue them from awkward places (fire-places, BBQs, closets) They are stronger than you and they will f*** you up. Even without them meaning to I've gotten injuries from my joey Brushies, they get so keen on their milk when you put it in that they climb your arm and their claws are sharper than cats. Also the sheer strength of them. I'm stronger than I look but if they are clinging on to a tree you are gonna need all your strength to get them off. The can also bite your finger clean off. And I've seen injuries from people who feed wild ones and for some reason have been late to put out the food or something and they've climbed their leg or even jumped on them - stitches were required in a few of those cases (human skin is not thick like tree bark)
What's with Magpies and swooping?
Simple, they have nests/babies and are protecting them. Australia Magpies are very smart and can recognise faces. If they think you are a threat they will try and scare you off. Just like if you're walking along with your toddler and there's a weirdo doing something strange you hold the kid tighter and closer to you and move through faster. But these guys can't just move their nests or their babies. The spot is chosen based on food availability and shelter from sun and rain, but also not being too cold. It's their spot. I've never been swooped by Magpies, other birds yes, but not Magpies. My local birds know me as the lady that cleans and fills the bird bath. Legit the Magpies sing a specific song when it needs filling to call me out to do it. So don't be a threat. If they are swooping in that area, try to avoid it or go through quickly. We used to have Plovers at my school, in the bush at the end of the oval. Never a problem. One day some kids go into the bush and stomp on their nest and eggs. After that they would swoop anyone who came close to there. So the school blocked off that end of the oval. Fair call. Wasn't the birds fault.
Why is everything named so basic?
Oh you mean the snake that's black with a red belly being balled a Red Belly Black Snake, and the tree with all the doodles on it being called a Scribbly Gum? 80% of plants and animals found in Australia are found NO WHERE ELSE. So the early Europeans had a lot of things to name and when they tried naming it themselves they would get it wrong. 2 good examples are: The Death Adder (only considered highly venomous, not deadly, and not an Adder). Also you're only likely to get bitten if you stand on it or try to pick it up. The Australian Magpie, they saw a black and white bird so it must be a magpie. Nope. Actually not in the corvidae family but in the butcherbird family - Artamidae. So their solution was to either take the Aboriginal word, for example, Quoll, Kookaburra, Koala, Quokka, Taipan. Or name it after what it looks like/sounds like/ is found Boobook Owl - makes a sound like booooo-book Squirrel Glider Eastern Water Dragon Grey Headed Flying Fox Flaky Bark Tea Tree Old man Banksia This can cause confusion though as not every brown coloured snake is a brown snake, and not all Eastern brown snakes are brown. Squirrel Gliders aren't related to squirrels. Flying foxes are bats not actual foxes that fly.
What do I do if I find injured wildlife?
Well, depends on the wildlife and where it is. If it's in a dangerous position, like the middle of a highway, don't try anything. First thing, call a wildlife rescue group, there are plenty around and they have trained people who know what to do. A quick google search should show you all you need to know, also the IFAW's Wildlife Rescue App will identify the closest group to you.
If it's a snake, adult wombat or kangaroo, or any other animal that can cause you serious injury, leave it be. The wildlife rescuers you call can give you basic info on how to help but mostly calling them is the main thing.
If it's something smaller, like a young animal or glider or baby bird and you are able to put it into a cardboard box that will be perfect. The 3 main things injured/ill wildlife need are warmth, dark and quiet. You don't need to worry about food or water. The rescuers will organise that. If you give food or water to an animal in shock you can cause more damage.
THE BEST THING IS TO DO NOTHING. I know this sounds stupid. But so many problems can occur from people who don't know what they are doing helping out. You know what they say about good intentions. For example, picking up a Koala like you would pick up a human child (under the armpits, around the chest) you could actually break their ribs. Also so many Koalas end up needing vet care during heat waves because people pour water into their mouths - they can get pneumonia as the water goes in too fast, it is not a natural way for them to drink. You can also get yourself injured or make the animals injuries worse. I have seen Kangaroos with broken legs get up and try to hop away from people. I have seen severe scratches on other people because they tried to pick up an animal.
What diseases can wildlife give me?
Well. I only know about Australian wildlife, and it's very different to other parts of the world. If you get a bad bite or scratch from wildlife you should see your doctor ASAP, get the wound cleaned properly and make sure your tetanus is up to date (same as if a pet gives you a bad bite or scratch).
There aren't that many Zoonosis that are around in Australia that are easy to catch. Mostly you have to be dealing directly with sick wildlife to get them.
The main thing is Australian Bat Lyssavirus. ABL for short. Now our bats can carry it. About 1 in 1000 bats may have it and you HAVE to be bitten or scratched for it to be transmitted to you. If you are bitten or scratched by a bat your chance is 0.1% of getting ABL but it is related to Rabies, so head straight to hospital for treatment. If you don't touch a bat you won't get bitten or scratched and so your chance of getting it is 0. Hendra is the other virus our bats carry, however it has to go through a horse before it mutates enough for humans to get it.
Basically it's only when you get involved with wildlife that your risk of getting a disease from them is higher than VERY unlikely. If you happen to help some wildlife, and you maybe wrap them in a towel or jumper, even if they urinate on it. You can just chuck it in the wash (I usually add a little extra disinfectant) and it will be fine. Treat it the same as if a pet had used it or urinated on it.
What's some Good Wildlife Apps to have?
Well, there's so many out there now hey? Here's some that I've found handy or know people that use. WomSAT EchidnaCSI PlatypusSPOT are all for recording sightings of these animals (wombats/echidnas/platypus) this helps researches track where they are and how they are going which means we can help them more as well. OzAtlas - record a sighting of anything Australian, animal, plant, fungus, insect. FrogID - need to identify a frog? This is the app for you. Use photos or sound recordings, Field Guide to *insert state/territory* Fauna - Have a field guide on you wherever you are without having to carry a book. Seek by inaturalist - Helps you identify any animals, plants, insect, fungus. IFAW Wildlife Rescue - wildlife rescue app (currently for NSW only but soon expanding) will give you advice on what to do and put you into contact with the local wildlife rescue groups.
Besides Cats and Foxes, what other invasive species have you got that cause problems?
First up, any invasive species causes a problem. In Tasmania they have issues with Sugar Gliders, because they are not naturally found there and use up tree hollows that other animals need. Invasive species cause competition for food, water and shelter. They can also bring in diseases that didn't exist in Australia before and that our natives have no defence against (like cats and Toxoplasmosis) Here's a quick list of invasive animal species in Australia. Cats, dogs, foxes, pigs, water buffalo, ferrets rabbits, horses/brumbies, goats, camels, Cane Toad, European Honey Bee, Common Myna bird, deer, donkey, common starling, common pigeon, black rat, brown rat.
There's more, there's reptiles, and weeds and fish but those guys ^ are the main ones that cause problems.
I am an animal lover but unless we get rid of these animals you loose more in the long run. I'm 100% against use of poisons, I prefer having people hunt them to be honest. If you know what you are doing and have the right equipment you can give them a quick, painless death. To give you an idea how bad invasives are:
The introduction of the rabbit is the main cause the Lesser Bilby became extinct.
The introduction of cats and toxoplasmosis is believed to be the main reason Eastern Quolls became extinct on mainland Australia
Rats led directly to the extinction of 5 of Lord Howe Island's bird species
30% of our land snakes and Goannas are at risk as Cane Toads are rapidly spreading and eat their eggs.
The Common Myna Bird is the 2nd greatest threat to Australian native birds (habitat loss being the 1st)
The fox population has been estimated at 72 million and consume around 190 million birds a year
There's an estimated 23 million wild pigs/boars and an estimated 2.6 million goats - all eating whatever they come across.
How can I help Australian Wildlife?
There's the stuff we already know, like reduce/reuse/recycle and don't litter. But there's other things you may not know about.
Turn off lights at night - any lights that you don't need, don't have them on, especially if they are outside. Lots of animals require insects in their diets, particularly moths, which can be distracted by lights. Zoos Victoria have launched educational stuff for this https://youtu.be/ZAcL4FKPtHw
Learn about them - It's not hard, there's multiple ways you can do it. There's books, tv shows, pod casts, you can follow sanctuaries and other people who work with wildlife on social media. Planting flora that's native to your area is great as different plants can attract different animals and it's much lower maintenance, being made for that environment. You can even find cool life-hacks like Lemon Scented Tea-Tree doesn't just smell amazing and feed lots of wildlife, it keeps the mozzies away! There's different kinds of nesting boxes out there specific to different species that you can put up to help 'foster' that species. You can even become friends with your local Magpies! Mine know me as the lady who cleans and fills the bird bath and all I had to do was whistle to them when I was done and now they are really chill around me and I get to watch their antics. Debunk Myths! - In learning about wildlife you can debunk lots of myths like: a mother bird won't take it's chick back if you've touched it (fake news!) or that snakes dislocate their jaw to swallow their prey (that would be soooo painful!)
Put out water - have a bird bath and keep it clean and full. Or if you don't have one or want to get one just put water out on hot days. Summer's getting hotter and hotter and our animals really suffer. So put out a nice pot or container of water. Don't forget to put a rock or a stick in it if it's a slippery surface (like plastic or metal) so that little animals and bugs don't fall in and drown, and keep it out of the sun if it's likely to heat up.
Check roadkill - it's not pleasant but needs to be done. Don't do it if it's a motorway or somewhere dangerous, but if you can PLEASE do. Roadkill sometimes looks dead but isn't and you don't want them laying there suffering. They may have pouch young if they are a marsupial or young nearby that will need care without their parent. And where possible get it off the road. Species like Tasmanian Devils, Goannas and Wedge Tailed Eagles feed on roadkill and can then end up as roadkill themselves. Even if you have to drag it, it's dead and not gonna feel any more pain. 100% of people I have attended a rescue for who have called because they stopped and found a joey or young in a pouch or hiding nearby have not regretted their decision at all. Even if they were late for work, they saved a life and it was worth it.
Avoid using poisons - insecticides, pesticides, snail bait and straight up rat poison. Like mentioned in POISON VS VENOM, it just keeps killing. There are so many other options out there and they aren't hard to find. There's stuff on the internet but also at Bunnings I've found more environmentally sound options that use Tea Tree oils and Eucalyptus instead and work just as well.
Don't feed them! - Most Aussie animals are gluten and lactose intolerant. BREAD IS REALLY BAD! and if not eaten it gets mouldy and causes disease. Putting out bird seed is the number 1 problem when we talk 'feeding wildlife'. WHY?
The 'wild birdseed' that you buy in shops isn't actually for wild birds. JUST LOOK AT IT, you don't see those seeds growing out in the wild. The main seed wild birds eat are Bottle-brush, She-oaks, Banksias, Wattle and Eucalypts. None of those are found in these bags of seed.
Even for seed eaters that seed you buy is too fatty and unbalanced
For those that don't usually eat seed, like Lorikeets, eating the seed destroys the specialised bristles on their tongues that they need to eat their natural food - nectar and pollen.
If you don't keep it clean you will spread diseases, especially psittacosis (beak and feather) for which there is no cure just a slow, drawn out death. You can also catch it and end up in hospital.
You cause an imbalance. Animals breed based on food availability, if you make food available they will breed but there might not be enough space or trees available and you create more competition and also they end up relying on you and if you go on holiday or anything they can die without that food.
You can cause health issues in other animals. Possums love bird seed but it makes them fat, making it harder for them to escape predators.
You will be feeding non-natives. For example, the Common Myna bird cannot survive on wild plants, but if there is a food source around they can. Got rid of Common Mynas in my neighbourhood by convincing my neighbours to stop putting out bird seed.
RATS LOVE BIRD SEED. Specially feral rats. Mice also love bird seed.
You make a predator hot-spot. It won't take long for predators to realised animals they prey on visit your feeding station and they will come. The most common predator I find around bird seed? Snakes. Snakes love rats and mice, rats and mice love bird seed. You do the maths.
If you want to feed them just do some research and plant trees that are food for them.
How many species are endangered?
Sadly, it's almost quicker to list what's NOT endangered in Australia.
That's hard to say as there is different ways they can be endangered. In one area they may be common, but in another they could be disappearing. You can have Endangered lists at different levels; local, state, national and international.
But the most used list is the International Union for Conservation of Nature’s Red List of Threatened Species has evolved to become the world’s most comprehensive information source on the global extinction risk status of animal, fungus and plant species. AKA the IUNC Red List
Here's a bit of a breakdown: EXTINCT 26 mammals 7 birds 4 amphibians CRITICALLY ENDANGERED 7 mammals 8 birds 15 amphibians 13 reptiles ENDANGERED 18 mammals 29 birds 18 amphibians 21 Reptiles VULNERABLE 51 mammals 40 birds 23 amphibians 35 reptiles NEAR THREATENED 43 mammals 37 birds 9 amphibians 21 reptiles
Then there's the "data deficient" category where they really just don't have the info. 10 mammals 11 amphibians 42 reptiles
I will continue to update this post as I think of other things. Feel free to send me any questions you have
#Wildlife#Australian animals#Aussie#FAQ#endangered animals#what people should know#long post#venom vs poison
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I don't ship them but I really liked how Molly and Sherlock's relationship evolved through the seasons 🥰 It was a real character development, for him to realize that he really cared about her and that she saw things about him that no one else - including John! - saw, and for her to be around him without being starstruck. I was glad they gave her a serious relationship with a nice guy, but then they had to make her the butt of the joke again and it pissed me off tbh. It's not even that she was still in love with Sherlock that was wrong, but they made her look like an idiot who picked a guy who looked and dressed like him. Even Sherlock noticed it, that shows how obvious it was.
I didn't really understand what they were doing with this relationship tbh. When he said Moriarty hadn't understood that Molly was the most important person in his life, it seemed to imply that maybe he had discovered romantic feelings for her but didn't admit it because he didn't want to disturb her new found happiness ? Then TFP happened and she got humiliated again, just for his sister to have fun. For a moment when he said "I love you" I thought "oh maybe he REALLY means it!", but clearly that wasn't the case so this whole situation just made their relationship awkward for no reason. As a non shipper I would have preferred Molly to move on for real but remain his loyal and faithful friend, than whatever this relationship is now. I mean, how can it NOT be weird between them?
I thought about the disappearance of Victor too, but Mycroft really anticipated that Sherlock would go back to smoking and taking drugs; it's not just the cigarette he offered him, since while Sherlock was on his way to the morgue he asked John to check for secret supplies of cigarettes and drugs - he doesn't mention drugs then but seeing Sherlock's history with them and Mycroft's concern, I think he feared much worse than seeing Sherlock go back to cigarettes 😟 -. That's really what makes me think that it has happened to adult Sherlock.
That said, I'm sure that the trauma he went through and the way Victor's disappearance affected him had a HUGE influence on how he reacts to the loss of people he cares for, or to the fear of losing them. A part of him never forgot he lost his best friend, explaining why he will become feral if someone threats his friends now, imho. He threw a man through a window - and probably beat him up badly before that - because he hurt Mrs Hudson, murdered Magnussen at the risk of being jailed because he threatened Mary and John's happiness, spiralled when Mary was killed...
When he promised John and Mary he would protect them, it could sound as if he was showing off again, but put in perspective with Victor's disappearance it's very obvious he really had it at heart. He couldn't protect his childhood friend, forgot about it all and yet kept the desire to not let that happen again.
Thinking of that, it's probably why he went berserk after he insisted for Molly to say 'I love you'. He genuinely thought he was saving her, that she at least would be kept safe if he couldn't get John and Mycroft out, but in fact he just made her life worse, by twisting the knife into her wound. So once again, he failed, and at this point he was really not sure he could save his friend and his brother.
Poor man :( Poor Molly too.
Ahemmm... *picks up mic*...
Once again for the people in the back: What do you think was the point of ASiB if not the topic of romance/sentiments/feelings (whatever) between Sherlock and Irene and Sherlock being almost defeated by it??
Like - people actually twist their brains into a knot trying to explain the Adlock tension away....how, why?? What do you think that ending was then? How is this a discussion - still - 11 years later??
Really, this is hurting *my* brain.
(Read bad takes on Reddit today, so I had to vent here 🥲)
#bbc sherlock#sherlock meta#sherlock holmes#molly hooper#eurus holmes#mycroft holmes#Justice for Molly Hopper
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